For people who are wondering why gogeta turned into stone is because his fusion was probably bout to run out and he released all the energy in his body similar to vegetas final atonement as a last ditch effort since the stardust breaker didn’t work
Bruh this was like the one Death Battle that made sense for both sides, the conclusion, and the explanation was decent. Yet Dontai's chat still copes, it feels like they don't even bother to listen to the video.
I've seen many livestream chats debate about the dumbest things, especially when the information is presented right in front of them they proceed to cope because their favourite character loses. Their just trying to cope the loss despite being presented the facts.
Nah it was wrong death battle legitimately got multiple things wrong again lol but it was a cool fight but my god half the conclusion was terribly wrong like one example is the kefla fight Goku was weaker in that fight literally saying at the end one blast hits him and he is a goner.
@@kingpizza1854 I think you're forgetting that goku was technically not weaker during that fight, he was just not used to fighting with ultra instinct, even whis confirmed it when goku even attempted to attack kefla. The fact is he managed to actually hurt her even if his attacks were not entirely enough to keep her down. If you remember correctly, when goku first used the form he was always on the defense because he could not simultaneously defend and attack, he needed more time to adjust to the power he was wielding and the kefla fight became a start for that, he began to test out his offensive capabilities but as a result he was having trouble maintaining the form because he was not used to how his muscles reacted to the power. Goku was certainly strong enough but his strength was interrupted by his lack of trying to focus on attacking, its even justified when goku does that air punch, he begins to show struggle in that moment. Whis: "Kefla san's vigor is indeed impressive, but at present Goku san's attacks are ineffective. It's likely because he can't fully utilize Ultra Instinct when he switches to attack." Had he been able to adjust more quickly to ultra instinct, his offensive attacks would have definitely had more effect. Just look at true ultra instinct, he's in his base form but using ultra instinct to adjust his speed and reflexes, in addition to the fact that he doesn't have to shield his emotions to use the power to its full potential.
Idk what the hell that donation was saying. This wasn’t canon Vegito vs canon Gogeta. They took everything. Heroes, Xenoverse, you name it. They literally say so in the video.
Even if it was that wouldn't mean appearance from the specific point in time which is canon , it's about the fusion so both sides of Goku and Vegeta have equal powerlevels . Vegitoblue from before and Gogetablue from later doesn't make sense cuz pretty much everyone can guess the result .
Yeah even if they used canon version they’d be the same Goku and Vegeta so they would both be the same power level. Gogeta has a shorter timelimit and Vegeto’s fusion can have a greater “effect”
@@sxcrifice_x honestly if they used heroes it would have been a mess all these power ups I'm mean super Saiyan 3 rose like comon I mean they should have just left out heroes all together and most people wouldn't even care if it was included but I can kinda see why they mentioned though
How can anyone be mad at this? I'm a gogeta fan and I am hyped AF at the fact that Vegito used kaioken at the end to kill him and fist bumped after which was wholesome. In an alternative scenario I see gogeta learning from his mistake with stardust breaker as Vegito isn't evil at all instead using a kaioken empowered blue big bang Kamehameha. Thanks to hambreth commenter for pointing out the kaioken Vegito used at the end for a split second to win. Good stuff!
They’re both amazing fusions, but yeah- Vegito has always been said to be the stronger/better fusion of the two. I don’t understand why people see that as such a bad thing, Gogeta isn’t any less cool just because Vegito is stronger.
@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel yeah, it makes sense too since a god needs to give you the potora earrings. It makes me think of sharingan being a weaker rinnegan basically from Naruto. However weirdly enough it is more convenient to find those yardratians to learn fusion then getting those potora earrings in general. Vegito can use up his power quicker since he's stronger with more power output which can be an issue while Gogeta since in general he would have less time his power output during that time can be argued could be better controlled since he needs to get the job done. I do agree with the outcome though.
Oh just to say gogeta also transformed as super saiyan blue evolved at the end so it would be alittle equal in power at the end cause if vegito only transformed at the end it’s would be unfair in power.
Bruh you got a anime pfp, you can’t talk but it’s basically like a total amounts of their power so there tryna scale them up to be more fair so that the saga power differences don’t get in the way.
Using soul punisher wasn’t smart, because it only attacks evil. Meaning that any being that is evil upon being hit by it will have their soul destroyed and Vegito is literally them so Gogeta would know not to use it.
As a gogeta fan I gotta say the fight was dope, though I am disappointed that gogeta lost I can understand why. I favor gogeta just because I like his overall character design and personality. Not to mention that every fight he has been in has great animation style. Cool fight though.
as a Vegito fan its very funny to see some gogeta fans raging and not even listening to the explanation, I overall like Vegito more because i like cocky characters, although if you are a Gogeta fan i'd say watch the first version of this fight
if we are being totally honest though, when you really pay attention to how things went down even that fight is going to be pretty close. Vegito in the manga was stated to be just as strong as beerus, possibly even a little stronger. Gogeta in broly was stated by whis that he may even be able to take on lord beerus. this implies that FUTURE SAGA vegito is on the level of gogeta made from POST TOURNAMENT OF POWER goku and vegeta. based off that knowledge and every official source saying that potara makes a better fusion, if both fusions were made by the same goku and vegeta, the fight wouldn't even be close.
Anyone using the "they are equal trump cards" statement to compare Fusion and Potara should note that the statement did not come from Toriyama, nor was it Toriyama approved. It was promotional material. Potara is outright stronger than Fusion and there's no debate, the Daizenshuu 7 confirms this (a guide approved by Toriyama). If the Goku and Vegeta fusing to make Gogeta are equal to the Vegito's counterparts, then Vegito stomps no difficulty. Sorry, I love Gogeta too.
Do you have any sources that the statement was not Toriyama approved? Because anything published to the public of Dragon ball IS Toriyama approved since he still to this day owns Dragon ball z, and Super.
@@justzombie Ah no. shueisha owns it. they can do what they want without toriyamas approval. how do you think so many things for dragon ball came out in the 19 years after toriyama "ended" dragon ball.
Doesnt matter how you see or biased you are towards Gogeta, Vegito will always have the slight advantage, BUT I do believe that most of their fights should end up in a tie
@@ItsChapa_ Thats because he used his ki way too much also in the manga he lasted much longer idk what the hell the animators were smoking when they said that the potara only works with kais and that with saiyans it only works for a hour even tho clearly in the original z they defuswd because of the magic inside buu
Yeah people were getting mad saying it should have worked since the fusion has Vegeta but they dont remember that Vegito is his own being seperate from Goku and Vegeta same goes wjth Gogeta
the ending was good, i think it was the logical ending, as i haven't really seen any source which says fusion would be better than potara, but there are quite a few sources which do clearly prove that vegito would be stronger, which are:- 1) elder kai outright saying the potara fusion is stronger in dbz anime + manga. 2) with fusion dance, one person has to lower their power level to match the other unlike potara where the max power of both people is taken. 3) when fusing into vegito by potara's, they get a rivalry boost because of the rivalry between goku & vegeta, no such boost is given when fusion dance is done. all that aside, i still think if they fought it would be a draw. So im still wondering why people were surprised as it could've gone either way. But i don't like to compare, i just really enjoy fusion as a whole whether it's gogeta or vegito. Both are my favorite characters to watch in db
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Elder Kai and databooks have stated that Potara is a better way of fusing than Fusion Dance. Vegito was even stated as the perfect warrior when Gogeta has not. Vegito in the Goku Black Arc was stated to be Beerus level while Gogeta fought Broly who was stated around Beerus level by Goku (who has not seen full power Beerus). And also to Gogeta being funny and doing bits in battle. Vegito fucking trained Buuhan in the middle of the battle like bro what type of fighter does that. Vegito>Gogeta
im a Gogeta fan but this ending makes sense - Gogeta is only really at his strongest when facing an evil opponent, which Vegito isn't, meaning Gogeta's strongest moves are completely ineffective. if vegito was evil gogeta would probably win
Toriyama said they equals in power, but even if Vegito wasn't evil this fight could've went either way 😁. I feel like if Gogeta performed Dragon Fist faster he could've had it
@@FaithInIt1 Trust me 😂 head to head they equal, but Vegito still wins cuz Gogeta can only stay fused for 30 mins. I just wish Death Battle had showed Gogeta defusing before he got blasted
@@Phantdaya7x no. he called them equal trump cards. implying that both fusions would have easily gotten the job done. difference in wording is key. plus he himself also wrote the story that multiple times said potara is stronger.
I find it really funny that despite the fact that Vegito and Gogeta are nearly the same character with next to no differences aside from some special moves the debate about which one is stronger is so heated that DB fans will bitch about it even after being given a completely logical argument for one side.
The timeline of Vegito from Dragon Ball Z super and Gogita from dragon ball Z Broly don’t matter in this video, it matters of their character traits and strategy
Vegito only unfuse when they surpass there limit too quick. Potara earrings hardly control the power cuz it’s too much vegito would be too broken if they didn’t have a limit to the earring
If I'm correct, Vegito defused against Zamasu because he used too much energy not because of the Final Kamehameha but it probably because of SSGSS(It was stated how SSGSS does have energy drain as and as SSJ3, while in the DBS Broly Movie they could've reduced the energy drain which could explain Gogeta lasting longer in Blue than Vegito) while for SSJ4 Gogeta it was his Big Bang Kamehameha(Goku was able to sleep in SSJ4 without detransforming)
Don’t know how anyone could expect any stronger reasoning than that. The differences they gave to Vegito are pretty much the only differences between the characters.
5:00 he gets the job done huh?what about omega and broly he literally went and toyed with both of them and didn't get the job done literally only once does he get the job done and don't go saying oh well he was beating broly, if this man wasn't play he would go blue at the start and just kill broly then and there but no he played with him and didn't get the job done
People just assume seriousness is only of and all of Gogeta despite clear evidence that the personality varies by the thought process of Goku and Vegeta on each occassion .
Please watch Gt if you are going to use Gt as your counter. Gogeta toyed with Omega to make him use his negative energy to weaken him severely and to get rid of the negative energy. Learn before you speak.
@@balenciiiibro what. Toriyama made it. If he says vegito is stronger than gogeta then that’s facts. Who tf are you to say he isn’t reliable. He’s literally the creator 😭😭😭
People don't know how powerfull is vegito. The potara multiplayer the power level means while the fusion dance added the power level. For example Fusion dance : A + B Potara : A × B + the rival boost I don't care what toriyama says about the 2 being equal. It makes sense those 2 being equal. So yeah vegito win. They got this right which is surprising.
They would win and I'm saying this a gogeta fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if let's say they had a rematch and this time gogeta doesn't joke much in the fight like here and take the dub, I do think gogeta has a better general arsenal of skills honestly. Still just based on what's shown and said it makes more sense for Vegito to be stronger as you said or as it's potora earrings from a god while fusion dance is from an unknown race that is obviously not gods based on what we know so far. This is one of those fights were time limit, personality and skills is so close it could go either way but potora earrings are harder to get so it should be stronger in all honesty.
Actually both the fusion and potara have the same effects. Although I'm not sure about the rival boost, in the Broly movie, Gogeta states that their powers aren't just added together, but are significantly magnified. Magnification would mean that it would most likely work in the same way and Death Battle/Rooster Teeth probably knew this. If you go based on just the example you used, Gogeta would have never stood a chance. But they've explained that their power levels are only slightly different, meaning that the same multiplier is most likely used. Not to mention the fusees needing to match their power level to do the fusion dance variant. So perhaps the rival boost still exists for Gogeta as well. But I don't know. Either way, the problem of matching power levels is the primary reason for why Gogeta lost this fight.
Both multiply their energy. Vegito just doesn’t need his two parts to be equal in power, therefore he gets the full potential of Goku. EDIT: Also you people complain way too much about the results of DB, they’re far more reliable than you random neckbeards
@@watchery.819 That includes you ironically if you're agreeing to him . Both fusions wouldn't be nearly as powerful as they are if it was just addition in either of them , would pretty much get rekt by whoever they've faced and stomped . Omega , Broly , Janemba all were sh*tting on both Goku and Vegeta with their forms , what makes you think fusing would make any difference if it was just addition? Hell Goku ssj3 would be 4 times more powerful than Super Gogeta who one shot Janemba .
For gogeta fans who really want to see gogeta win death battle did make another gogeta vs vegito fight before this one where the fans chose who they wanted to win and gogeta ended up winning. It was a dbx I believe
For the people wondering why Gogeta got turned to stone and/or dust it's actually a reference to Dragon Ball Heroes where gogeta and Vegeta did have a fight like this and Vegeta also won there turning Gogeta to dust.
I'm surprised no one is talking about how Vegito's "cockiness" vs Buu was the entire plan? Like he's definitely been proven to be more serious and more intelligent than Gogeta. I would like to blame that on the timings, bc sometimes DB writers get out of hand. They should realistically both be exponentially smarter than both Goku and Vegeta. Gotenks also gives a good example of their intelligence too, albeit they mostly had to show this through techniques. They were still the fusion of two children with little information, so Gotenks turns out to be an ignorant genius.
@@justzombie how are they equal if goku has to lower his power level to vegetas power level to form gogeta and it only combines their power level when they form vegito they are at full power and the potara multiply their power x100 so how are they equal 😂😂😂
if we are being totally honest though, when you really pay attention to how things went down even that fight is going to be pretty close. Vegito in the manga was stated to be just as strong as beerus, possibly even a little stronger. Gogeta in broly was stated by whis that he may even be able to take on lord beerus. this implies that FUTURE SAGA vegito is on the level of gogeta made from POST TOURNAMENT OF POWER goku and vegeta. based off that knowledge and every official source saying that potara makes a better fusion, if both fusions were made by the same goku and vegeta, the fight wouldn't even be close.
One thing they forgot to mention and didn't bother talking about is that in the manga, Goku black arc vegito was stated to be stronger than Beerus while broly movie gogeta was equal to Beerus so in reality if they used the same Goku and Vegeta for both fusions then vegito would be way stronger
That's hard to debate because that statement is said by Supreme kaioshin. That kaioshin has never seen beerus in his full power. Not to mention that Gogeta didn't surpass beerus because when Vegeta fights Beerus after broly (meaning Moro and granolah arc), beerus easily destroys vegeta with no effort. Meaning not only is Vegeta stronger than Broly and that Gogeta, but so is beerus
@@CasualCat64 that one was a ball, and it wasn't like the original, in fusion reborn Gogeta crushes the ball into dust and it does no damage to janemba from hitting him. You are wrong. And even if you weren't, it clearly did no damage to vegito anyway. It isn't a super powerful, destructive attack.
I remember from soooo long ago the first time I saw Vegito, Instantly became my favorite fusion. I definitely fw Gogeta tho but my goat is just him🤷🏽♂️
As a gogeta fan there’s actually zero possibility vegito is losing to gogeta he’s literally stated to be the strongest fusion using a method that took the best of the 2 and combined instead of taking 50/50
Them needing to match power levels exactly to fuse makes them weaker as Gogeta then vegito cause vegito takes bothe power levels added together at their highest and multiplies them meanwhile the fusion dance just adds the power levels of the 2 at the time of fusion and multiples that very simple explanantion
The thing about this fight that's BS is the fact that it would take more than 30 minutes for either one to beat the other. As we seen with Goku vs Vegeta 2 they where somewhat evenly matched. Not even that fight had a clear winner after all that time, who knows how long it would've taken. We all know in Dragon Ball fights with equal power levels never have a winner.
Earlier they said that the fusion dance draws the max of the power and straight up siad that vegito was stronger when they point out that they're the same. Plus when they bring super hero's into the equation that give gogeta the advantage as he has blue evolved. Overall I like gogeta more and disagree but it don't really matter
It’s funny how when you take ALL DB story elements into play Vegito > Gogeta but CANONICALLY, Gogeta doesn’t suffer from maxing out his power the same way Vegito does, so he would probably either overwhelm or outlast Vegito
Dude they mess up a lot in their calcs but this was clear cut... Even if they are almost equal at their peak, either Vegeta or Goku is a little bit stronger, even if just barely. So Let's asume that Goku = 1000 and Vegeta = 999 Vegito has 1999 Gogeta has 1998 (because Goku would lower his power to match Vegeta's 999) No debate
While i understand the thought process. What I don’t get is this. Vegeta and Goku were completely tapped of energy fighting broly when they retreated and had no senzu beans. So to me it would not make sense that lowering a powerlevel would make a difference since fusion already allows them to tap into forms as high as ssb despite fusing with almost no energy. Before fusing into vegito in the future arc, goku and vegeta ate senzu beans then fused. Like by our own logic on how the fusion dance even works, shouldn’t they be in ssb if it matters about powerlevels matching and stuff, why would power be forfeit the moment someone lowers their power level a little? Like by this logic, fusion in base should not allow them to even go super saiyan. So wouldn’t it just make sense to say the technique of fusing is far harder than potara and there is no power difference? The requirements are different but the power would still be the same.
@@terrakage4462 Goku was also banged up when he first fused into Vegetto against buu, he was taking quite a beating. I think the fusion revitalizes you somewhat, but not entirely but this is headcannon XD About he SSB thing, I think it's easier to use the fusion dance in base first, because you don't have to worry about multipliers, and Goten and Trunks proved that fusions can transform as well so why risk a misfusion ?
Vegito wins. Its that simple. Its literally confirmed in the manga too. People think gogeta stronger just because he was the most recent fusion n was in 2 movies. Biases . I love them both. But Vegito obviously is stronger. Geekdom 101 n seththeprogrammer explains it well
Gogetas stardust breaker pnly damaged vegito but not erase him is due to the fact that stardust breaker only erases pure evil being like janiemba, an example is broly, he didnt get erased because broly is not evil when gogeta used his attack and gogeta even smiled because he knew broly wasnt evil
Akira is the only person that can end this debate which means it'll never actually meet its conclusion until they make an episode thats canon about vegito vs gogeta Death battle had facts right but had 0 clue how to actually make the fight gogeta had shit plays none of his moves were ever set up and gogeta isn't dumb enough to go into a powerful Kamehameha that's why in the broly movie he dodged brolys roar blast and set up his meteor attack the fight was poorly choreographed and gogeta would never use the false Kamehameha thing on oppenents he sees as equal the only reason they had that death is because they didn't have a budget to continue the fight so this was more the writers opinion then an actual fact they should've pixelated the fight like they did with goku black vs reverse flash 🤦♂️
Soul punisher only destroys enemies with a bad heart/Soul, in other word vegito has a pure heart just like gogeta wich means he cannot be damaged by that attack. Also Vegito has Blue Kaioken x20 so yeah ggs
