Improve your CARVING with PATIENCE 

Have a look at the direction of your head compared to Chris in the beginning of each turn. I think the reason why he is able to lean more into each bend is that his focus lies exactly half a turn in front of where he is. It does look like your focus (direction of your head) is couple of meter in front of you. It forces you to start each turn with your skis (and not your center of gravity), which in turn does not give you time to get low enough. Suggestion for coming videos: make a series of how rotation plays a part in skiing and how to control it. Try to ski down a hill with a big backpack (doesn't have to be super heavy). The backpack will after each mid turn, try to continue the rotation you have made the first half of the turn. The only solution to solve this in a consistent way is to focus on a point half a turn in front of you. Example: when you pass a gate, your forcus point is passing the next gate. Look at any professional skier i slow motion.

I’ve never seen and heard an explanation so clear an inspirational about the edge angel timing. Super lesson, I learn a lllot watching this video. Thank you so much 🙏

Nice video. Kili Weibel just covered the same subject where he said you should put the most pressure on the outside ski at the end of the turn in order to be able to complete it. It is nice to see the same subject covered several times from slightly different angles.

Has been following and watching all your videos, and some videos I have watched over 10 times to reflect and internalize.

Thanks Tom I appreciate it. You did graciously review a video of me last year which I really appreciate and suggested I work on keeping my outside shoulder down to help tighten the radius. I’ll work on that and send you another!

Great stuff! Can't wait to get out there and work on it. Thanks

always to the point! congrats!

VERY VERY HELPFUL!!!!!!!!! thanx for sharing!!!!!

Spot on analysis. Patience at the top of the turn.

Thanks Tom very insightful. This will really help me I feel.

Clear as a bell! Excellent explanation and video work!!

Another great tip, thank you. Great timing, we’re about to head up to New Hampshire for another weekend of skiing. This will be echoing inside my head whilst I try to put this and all the other great tips into practice :-)

Great to see your new video! New intro is fun))

Wish you were my ski coach. Great videos. Thank you!!

This Clip is amazing!

Hi Triggerboy. To improve the dynymic during transission, i like the following practise. Both pools in one hand (outside ski side), during Transmission throw both pools in front of you to the other hand. I am looking forward what you are saing after tryer. Your videos are always a lot of fun and interesting. Best regards from Germany

Excellent content . Good job 👏

Grate remainder for all skiers espacialy at the time when we start skiing after off season brake time. For me it was grate add on from goggle tip and carving speed control videos. Luckly for me I live near indorr snow arena, so can keep practicing all year round.

head to head very nice

thats an awesome tip!

Beautiful Tom

Thanks Tom great video. I’ve wondered if you were on 157s and here you showed you ski both. I’m 46 and thinking about dropping down to 157 (5’10, 100kg)

In the new season coming back on the same subject when I delay this early pressure, I feel like I free fall with my mass into the turn after edge change and if you get it right all you need to do is a minor adjustment to pressure from your leg so you fully in control of your turn.

I think the difference between Chris and you is what Harald Harb describes as initiating the turn at the top of the C shape of the turn, when the skis are still pointing away from the fall line, away from the direction of the center of mass. I think you are initiating the turn late, compared to Chris. Chris is initiating the tipping to the new edges at the top of the turn, while his skis are still pointing to the trees at the side of the piste. Freeze Chris at 1:09. That is the difference I think. Skis pointing away from the fall line and he’s carving on the new inside edges at the top of the C.

Totally, and it's especially important to be patient in GS so your don't start leaning over and getting on the inside ski

Tom, your video came up in my RU-vid feed again, a year later. Rewatching it, I have another thought about it. Extending the duration in transition can result in lowering the stance at the top of the turn. The benefit of being more compact is more dynamic skiing, because starting from a flexed outside ankle allows for the progressive extension of the outside leg heading toward the apex of the turn. // Marshall

Please make a video on SL and GS and how to clear the pin gates effectively

Many people neglect their need for speed when carving. You need to want that speed maintained through the arc. Most intermediates and advanced skiers are still apprehensive about excess speed for good reasons using turning strictly to slow down, It hurts to fall. Learning to trust your equipment and understanding the forces at work help reduce apprehension about speed, accelerations and seemingly gravitic forces in dynamic skiing.

From what I see The main difference is that Chris “topples” into the turn, as Tom Gellie would say. It is related to the idea of Richie Berger who suggests that creating edge angle can be done by moving ze feet away from ze body”. Combine the two….

Tom, Tom Gellie and Sam Robertson also talk about the steps being inclination, then angulation. I’ve played with it myself to see the difference firsthand. I find that if I start to counter rotate too early (before reaching the apex of the turn) that I’m adding steering of the skis toward the fall line. The result, as you noted, is that I’m not allowing enough time for the inside edge of my outside ski to achieve its highest edge angle. What you showed so well (by using the overlay) was the tightening of the bottom of the turn by being patient. But the notion that achieving a higher edge angle produces a tighter turning radius is actually nothing new. For instance, Lito Tejada Flores was teaching this decades ago so it seems to me, as an avid student of the sport, that we keep “rediscovering” what we’ve known all along. //Marshall

I have very much enjoyed your videos especially about carving, since I am a newbie and trying to learn skiing and carving for the first time. Can you speak to the question of distance between the skis - shoulder width or more wider or very narrow? I see on the mountain here people skiing and carving with the skis close together which makes me feel very unstable when I try it. So I end up with skis wide apart which causes the skis to track in different directions when on edge. Thank you so much for your amazing instructions and explanations

For those who'd try this without any background: Dropping in a turn is possible because the ski is anchored into the snow, keeping you from drifting. Your angular momentum prevents you from falling. You need to have legs strong enough to hold the pressure. This pressure increases with speed and tighter turn radius. Also remember that you gain speed when the ski's flat on the snow :) Which is probably why Chris builds up more speed and has the same rhythm despite have overall larger loops

hello Tom, you said:"Build edge angles before you weight your skis with full force. Be PATIENT at the top of the turn." Good advice ! I would have said: Be PATIENT and ACTIVE at the top of the turn: engaging tip of the external ski (position forward), doing some ankle placement (with a lifting force, toe upward), some very little knee angulation, and above all some aligned muscular tension from external foot to inside shoulder. Patience is about...timing :)

Note that Chris has higher hip angulation versus Tom, and the resultant stance is for the uphill ski to lead in height (compared to the downhill ski) and ski tips are more forward for the inside ski versus ski tips for the outside ski. For several years "railroad" track skiing has been the new technique, where the inside ski is more weighted and the inside knee is steered to match the downhill ski. The resultant ski track is a set of railroad tracks. Note that when you see this type of skiing, the turns are quite shallow (i.e. not complete turns where the skis finish across the hill) and certainly not on steep terrain. Try standing in ski boots alone on flat terrain while pushing your knees into the hill (actually it is hip angulation as knees cannot angulate laterally) and you will see that both legs of the skier are matched side by side. Now try this same stance on inclined terrain. To stay in balance your hips must go into the hill for angulation and the uphill ski (boot) must lead and it is higher than the downhill ski (boot). In a static stance such as this, you might feel out of balance which is to be expected and fall down, as there isn't any centrifugal force generated at zero velocity. Remember velocity has a speed component and a direction component. It is the centrifugal force that bends the skis into reverse camber (i.e. ski angulation) and to combat this force the whole body must incline (i.e. banked turns), or the hips must move inside alongside with knee angulation to compensate. The key idea is that the uphill ski must lead for any inclined terrain. The old A-frame stance (i.e. Mahre turn) had the inside ski not angulated or pressured like the downhill ski. The Mahre turn sure made for some "knock-kneed" skiers. If skiers are still locked into A-frame skiing then they need to experiment with canting. Tom, what separates old guys like us compared to Chris, is that we don't have the strength or flexibility to drop our hips to touch the ground. Notice that old skiers are much more upright compared to younger skiers. This is why core strength and flexibility are so important to older skiers.

Yes, patience at the top of the turn-also helpful in powder.

To be more precise, you start turn earlier by pointing skis more to the outside rather than well down the fall line. That lets skis get on higher edges while your upper body travels at more direct line. Only from that point on you can start to pressure skis to perform quick sporty turn.

Really useful video. Very helpful. Seems like in general the term "early edging" often leads to some confusion. "Early" compared to what?... the end of the last turn?... the fall line?... something else?

Hey Tom, Guess what I just found out?? You and I have actually known each other for 12 years!! I just got off the phone with Rick and we were talking about how much I love your videos and how nice you were to me when I told you about my issues with being Autistic and the music issues because of that. He told me who you are. You will remember me. I was Bushido Princess!! I am so excited that TDK was you. 😀

This is my number one bad habit lol. I really hate the phrase "early pressure" because it needs a corollary like early pressure but not a whole lot. Pressure should build throughout the first half of the turn and not reach a maximum till at least the apex. Forward extension movements along the ski also happen throughout the first half of the turn. I find just maintaining equal cuff pressure in the boots throughout the turn is enough to keep me forward enough but also not rushing things and over extending too early. Then I can focus more on pressure management, angulation, inclination, etc. I'm of course probably going to mess things up trying to get back into mogul skiing where aggressive forward extension moves can save your life XD.

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Great !!! But still many ski coaches tell the guys to push and press the front part of the ski on top of the turn ...

Suomi Finlandia!

Hello, At the same time, it should be noted that Chris rides more in a circle and the skis are pointing across the slope at all times. You Tom, on the other hand, were quicker to steer your skis down the slope. The question is which ride will be more effective on the gates? Let's remember that Ted Ligetty skied beautifully all arcs on the edges and won, but Marcel Hirsher, who was skiing more forcefully down the slope, was the best after that. I think it all has to be balanced to be the fastest on the gate. Greetings from Poland

I think we have to make a difference between „normal“ carving and Race-carving. For an average skier or someone, who is not aiming for Race-skiing, it is important to keep the knees more under the hip. Because the way back takes too long to be in a neutral position early enough in the transition. Consequences: having the COM in the back and over the inside ski. So, I am very careful to tell skiers to push the skis outwards…

Good video, had this problem and got to the conclusion that i need to separate movements of the torso from the legs and keep a stable upper body, and try not to fight with large lean angles. I often find myself wanting to revert to an upright position, actually the internal ear's balancing system takes over too soon 😅

One question, at the beginning of turn, do you have a moment while both skis are flat, and both legs have the same pressure? If yes, do we need to be patient for this moment or try to minimize as much as we can for this moment?

İ think the reason you are rushing the turn is not about edging or pressuring early. İn the first run you are adding a bit of twist at the top of the turn. That gets you quickly to fall line skipping the shaping of top part. Chris changing edges but not direction of skis. That delays his turn with a nicer shape at the top

I can see what a great tip this is, but it is probably too advanced for me. I feel like I need to change which leg gets the most pressure to start a turn and can't put that off...I'm much closer to beg/intermediate than even intermediate much less advanced.

What skis do you use ? Brand, length and waist

What do you mean by pressuring the skis. Thought you let the pressure build after tipping the skis.

Could you explain how you fall into the turn, what body action is used as I see this as a fundamental part of carving, do you just lean in? thank you

you can read some comments there (linked with this topic): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X-sLzO5uOsE.html

The answer to your question is no. Tom’s saying that you need to be patient and hold back on apply the pressure too early, thereby allowing the outside ski to get up on edge. Just try it out and see how your skis respond.

can I come train with you please? :)

Stop the video right as it goes to 2:10. Your skis, and Chris's skis are about parallel. They are going in the same direction! But you are FLAT..and he is on edge. In other words, he is getting on edge really early RELATIVE TO THE FALL LINE. This allows him to build angles and loads smoothly. More on that later. You however do not really load the skis till about 2:12. And when you pressure your skis, they are only about 20 degrees before the fall line. So Chris gets on high ANGLES earlier, but then builds LOADS gradually. You start late, and go from flat to high angles all at once. You get on high angles late, and build loads FAST. This shifts the loading of your skis to later in the turn. You also load them harder, and get more pop, which actually disrupts things. Look how you are coming off the ground. If you were to ski ice, and Chris were ski ice, I bet he would have MUCH better edge grip, even if you developed higher angles. This is because he is building LOADS smoothly. But WHY are loads on Chris's skis building so slow, and why are yours building fast. It has NOTHING to do with technique. This is where I disagree with your instruction here. You can not "choose" to put the ski on edge bu not load it. The real difference is how Chris and you are using GRAVITY differently. The reason that Chris's skis do not load quickly is gravity is pulling him the same direction as he is trying to turn. Gravity is taking load off his skis. This is not a result of technique. It is simply WHERE he is starting the turn. Try the opposite and see what happens. Float till you are directly in the fall line...THEN turn! It is a disaster. The ski will overload, you will get pushed back, and they the skis will get away from you. Turning down the hill early and using gravity is the key to everything. *It results in smoother loading. This allows you to maintain better edge grip on hard surfaces *It is also the key to controlling speed.... Use gravity. Don't fight it.

Rushing movements is not good technique. Patience and RELAXING are key. I suspect most of us skiers at one time assumed movements need to be fast to ski fast, and that’s exactly the opposite.

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