In conversation: Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo and B. Alan Wallace at Mind & Its Potential 2014 

This video helped me develop patience. I just waited and waited for the moment when Alan could stop speaking and let the true master speak. If years of meditation and Buddhist teachings couldn't teach Alan the basic rule of listening, I don't know what he learnt.

An enormous ego converses with a mountain of wisdom.

Brilliant. Jetsumna does not lose her patience although Alan Wallace talks for 17 minutes before he allows her to make a second comment. I couldn't watch it after that... obviously I have not developed the requisite mindfulness (to not get riled up by mansplaining.) But her meditation practice was visible for all to see. I guess this is the difference between practitioner and scholar of Dharma.

At 23:02, when Alan quote something in Tibetan, Ani la was immediately lean forward to listen 👂...this humbleness and attentiveness is beautiful 🙏🏻

Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo and B. Alan Wallace are amazing. I could listen to them all day.

Difference between a Buddhist and a Babbler is palpable here.

22:40 "And now Alan is going to explain it all" Priceless comment mirroring the interviewer. Alan, this was kind of embarrassing of you.

Would have been nice if allan would have let her just..... OK, the master was the quiet one. This is a brilliant expose'..... Priceless!

. . . the pleasure of holding center stage. Thank you for listening, Ven. Phamo-la.

As interesting as he is, I was sad to see Alan Wallace dominate almost this entire conversation, especially when Tenzin Palmo is one of the clearest and most articulate Dharma teachers around.

This man seems to be very full of himself... so much for the teachings.

Alan is very smart. Smarts need hydration. If the brain gets dehydrated then the smarts may decrease. Pausing to take a drink understandably gives an opportunity for someone else to speak, that is the risk yes. Also, it is a polite consideration during one's excited pontification to allow for a little interlude by someone else, anyone really, to give the audience a chance to catch up. Oh, and especially if there's someone really qualified on the topic, and sitting right there, already miked, then perfect. If someone there has more experientially understanding on the topic, and the audience has come to hear them also, it could potentially highlight the truths one is elucidating upon, but again, it's a risk losing more time to keep on explaining it oneself. All factors considered, one must conclude that the humble Dakini prevailed in emanation of being over the Scholar, simply by observing the levels of water in their respective glasses.

She taught so much by saying very little.....patience.

It's great that he's such a fan of hers but he talks way too much - I actually can't believe how much he talked in this interview and dominated things. I can relate to his problem in a way because we can be afraid to allow space for things to happen without even realizing it. This is a good example of that.

Jetsunma talks at 1:46, then at 16:30, then at 19:47, then at 26:34. Just FYI.

WOW~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What an insight. I could listen to them all day. Thank you for this.

Enjoyed the conversation....Both Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo and B. Alan Wallace are so wise....

Have just read several of the posts & you're all very patient, for I found Mr. Wallace a bore.... chattering non-stop. Anyone who sits with someone before a group of people and does all the talking is too self-centered for my taste. To sit in front of this awsome spiritual entity: Ven J Tenzin and not be willing to listen or allow her to share is a truly annoying quality. I could hardly listen to it... I just kept watching all the body language & my take was she was mostly amused at his ignorance and seemed to be wondering what she was even doing there.

22:45 “ and now Allan is going to explain ...” 😊

Would like to hear more about the differences between Zen Buddhism vs advaita vs dzogchen and Taoism.. they seem very similar. Perhaps a discussion between Alan and Swami Sarvapriyananda! Regarding bridging cutting-edge neuro/science (which has its roots in the scientific-method established by Sir Francis Bacon in the 1600s) with the insights from those that have spent 10s of thousands of hours vigorously probing the nature of consciousness via direct first-person experience.. Since nearly all scientific papers/interest are on the hedonistic benefits of meditation (stress/pain relief/dukkha).. and not the Buddhadharma/liberation (which requires a different type of effort/insight)... what is the deeper understanding that modern science should be double-clicking on? What patterns/regularities about consciousness have been made from all those people (across many ancient traditions) that have so many hours going deep? Are there any conclusions/observations on consciousness that are NOT rooted or contingent on the brain?

Interesting, thought I'd be hearing from Jetsunma, but she spoke one third of the time tops.

Wonderful to see two of my beloved teachers here!

HOW ABOUT THE INTERVIEWER LISTENING MORE ... THAN LEADING & PROMOTING ONE SELF !!!

Has he ever tried to quiet his mind? I doubt it. First he has to learn to quiet his mouth. Perhaps he can observe the monk and learn from her.

I scroll to several different points within the video and she didn’t utter a single word. Someone got confused by what it means to interview someone

First he should learn how to treat a guest! Sansarmedia, you got to the point. Nothing more to say...

Oh, I understand where the host is coming from .but.... Its such a shame that he didnt let his great guest talk

Came here to listen to Tenzin Palmo - rather god bored by Mr Know It All - he lost me with his first question by trying to put Tenzin Palmo in a spot...and then took over and did not let her even finish it. Perhaps Mr Wallace needs to reread teachings on Ego

It doesn’t seem to be a conversation... 🤔🤔

Outstanding, coherent and inspiring. Thank YOU all! May I suggest to configure it to other languages so more people can benefit from this treasure.. I checked to see if there was this possibility for language subtitles- there is none except for instant translation to English ( not very good, lots of mistakes.

The title would be" in monologue "

Why not let each one be who they are instead of what we would prefer them too be. Isn't that suffering?

Attachment, attachment...

Why is he sounding like a computer

A tradução para o português é ruim. Que pena!

Psychobabble, or analysis of the obvious mental stuff, does not liberate and lead to peace. Preoccupation with the mental baggage and clever talk about shedding it only makes it heavier. Rather, ignore the baggage and pursue that which spontaneously produces joy. Addiction to pretentious "wisdom talk" verbiage prevents insight.

Mr Wallace you talk to much.Remember your not the guest.l actually wonder if Jetsunma makes him nervous?

Mansplaining Buddhism when a Buddhist Nun sits one foot away... Oh what a shame!

Buddhism is considered as one of the religions.

A man who is a professor and professional public speaker speaks more than a nun who spent 12 years in a cave...yea yall...truly shocking

All you people that seem to think you can judge who is the more realised Tenzin Palmo or Alan Wallace are making unfounded assumptions - you can't know. All those that make the assumption that Tenzin Palmo has some profound stuff going on because she is the quieter of the two are again making unfounded assumptions. Listen to the teaching and stop your useless projections. Evaluate the points made - it does not matter who made them. The 'I think he talks too much, so I don't want to listen to (his) dharma' can't help you very much. Do you know more than he does? Few do. Yes, why invite the venerable lady and not let her speak for 50% of the time at least. I might ask the same question but is it helpful? Take what you can from the conversation and move on.

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He makes it all about him, dreadful performance.. And selfish.

Wow -mansplainer!

Meditation is a misnomer. Meditation is the act of a beginning to settle 'mind.' Lots of word from the questionnaire; not many questions.. Lots of flim-flam !

this man doesn't have a clue.......

Alan is very intriguing, but I find his mindfulness to be absent as he dominates, like every man before him, the conversation. It is not a con-vers-ation, it is a one-way platform for a smart white guy and a polite woman.

Alan Wallace knows a lot. But I tuned in for Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo. I got a lot of Alan Wallace and precious little of Tenzin Palmo. Very telling at the end of the session, after nearly non-stop talking by Wallace when he says the words, "Thank you for spending time with me." Alas, that's almost all any of us could do. The name of the vid should be Alan Wallace Pontificates in the Presence of Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo. (Maybe he should try 12 years meditating in a cave to calm down and learn to be more still. Share the stage, Alan!)

Ven. Tenzin Palmo is one of my heroes. Her mind is serene yet solid, clear yet curious, compassionate yet tasking of practice. Mr. Wallace is scholarly and articulate. Ven. Tenzin Palmo is a mountain.

Mr. Wallace, you should allow the true master Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo to speak. I always enjoy the true master's talk. Very clear explanation. I learn alot from Jetsunma Tenzing Palmo. Thank you very much. May Buddha bless .

Alan just doesn't see what is kind of obvious to everybody watching this...that he should just let Jetsunma talk and when she's said all she wants to, THEN throw in a short addition. She is a beautiful speaker 'cause she talk from the heart whereas I always think Alan is kinda like "Look at ME, Mommy"! He knows a lot though...

ALAN WALLACE, PLEASE STOP TALKING.. YOU HAVE A GUEST ON FOR A REASON... "LET HER TALK" I THINK YOU NEED TO LISTEN AND WATCH THIS VIDEO OVER AND OVER, MAYBE YOU'LL LEARN SOMETHING... SORRY FOR YOUR INFLATED EGO.

Tenzin Palmo is a great living example on the effects of extensive meditation and its effects on the mind. I admire how she uses so few words and sits so gently and holds her place. I wish my mind was as still as hers. A very enjoyable conversation.Thankyou so very much for all insights and explanations.

This was not a conversation but a monologue.

A white man dominating the space with endless mansplaining. While I am annoyed, I am not shocked or even surprised. The thoughtlessness/ arrogance/ ignorance, especially when sitting with a person like Jetsumna is so....off putting.

Alan Wallace seems like the chattering mind, whilst Tenzin Palmo says little yet conveys so much more by quiet knowledgeable understanding.

I'm tempted to judge, and to say "Empty barrels make most sound" after hearing the interviewer dominate the "conversation" and hardly put a question to the "interviewee" or let her answer it ! As I listened, amazed by Tenzin Palmo's calm and humorous acceptance of this bizarre situation ( the host doing all the talking), I started to adopt her attitude (no ego) and actually found I was to hearing what Alan Wallace was saying (all of it brilliant). So this was a huge lesson for me in a) not judging b) learning to listen deeply , and c) stopping EGO and wanting to have my say in conversation. While I watched, I actually wondered if this bizarre encounter with the world-famous nun who meditated for 12 years, was purposely set up to illustrate and teach these 3 skills (no ego, deep listening, non-judgement) ! In any case, it certainly worked, Thank you Tenzin Palmo for teaching me this by this shining example.

This man loves his own voice!!

I don’t understand why people would follow this guy. The first video I tried to watch of him started off of an hour of him telling us all about who he is and what he’s about. He may be extremely educated in his field but his ego is blinding

Not a conversation but thank you Allan Wallace for the practice of my patience and tolerance...

Sorry to say, this wasn’t a ‘conversation’, it was a lecture by Alan. I hope he reflected on this and learnt from it.

Being a volunteer in a Tibetan Buddhist temple, I have met many great teachers, including the Dalai Lama and I didn't get any special feeling. Attended one of the lectures by Tenzin Palmo, the back of my hair stood up when she entered the lecture hall.

I clicked on to hear what Tenzin Palmo had to say "of the mind and its potential" and had to switch if off when Alan Wallace could not stop waffling and listening to the sound of his own voice. How dissapointing!

ALAN, YOU NEED TO LEARN A THING OR TWO ABOUT DEEP LISTENING. I THINK YOU WERE MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING YOUR POINT ACROSS, RATHER YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOME DEEP LISTENING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPECTFUL. YOU SEEM TO JUST BE WANTING TO SHOW HOW WELL VERSED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE YOU SEE YOURSELF. I'M SORRY FOR YOUR EGO. YOU HAVE TAUGHT ME SO MUCH WATCHING THE WAY I SHOULD NOT LISTEN AND LEARN FROM OTHERS... YOU ARE THE TEACHER TENZIN HAS SPOKEN OF MANY OTHER TIMES IN THE PAST, THANK THAT PERSON THAT IS SO HARD TO GET ALONG WITH, BECAUSE IT'S THEM THAT TEACH YOU HOW NOT TO BE... SO THANK YOU.. NOW STOP TALKING AND LET TENZIN SPEAK ...

this guy should learn to talk less....

wtf? he's like a child so excited to show off in front of his mum

The first time I listen to Alan, after listenning to Tenzin Palmo for years... And it was unbearable, I was not sure it is not a test for us listeners... I did not do good on that test, I could not quiet my mind and body off the nervous they were at. He has a lot to wark on his suffering still and his Ego too and so do we, me... :)

My third and last time listening to Wallace! She’s an amazing example of a Buddhist. He is a perfect example of an ego manic !!!!

Hard to listen...the speed and amount of all these Alan Wallace words, a lot of pressure. Her radiant patience, amazing.

Thanks England for giving the world a woman like Tenzin Palmo.

To all the commentators, Dr. Wallace is actually talking about how scientists are using meditation and meditators to create this fall illusion about what actually Buddhism is all about and the purpose of Dhamma. He is making a great point here and is actually answering Ven. Tenzin Palmo's question about "how far scientists could dig in understanding meditators' brain scans etc". So do not comment without understanding the purpose of the conversation. Learn to be quiet yourself before accusing someone else. Peace

Quite! The English language is becoming more and more impoverished.. like Wallace's.. we are not interested in your rattle! Time wasting guff.. we want to listen to Jetsunma NOT U!

I skipped through the conversation with the bar below, five, six, eight times and every time this guy was still talking.

he talks too much

This is not a conversation but a monologue - and a boring one at that. It takes Wallace five minutes on average to say something that can be said in 30 seconds. He hardly asked his guest any questions...

I fast forward to 19 minutes hoping to hear Tenzin Palmo speak. The interviewer was plain annoying. Tenzin has amazing patience. He needs to understand he is the interviewer - people tune in the hear Tenzin not the name dropping interviewer. So annoying and disappointing and so disrespectful on his part.

What is beautiful is that Jetsunma showed her Love by listening to what the host had to say.

he needs to shut up and give the real teacher in the room to speak...

I cannot even finish this....display. To call it a conversation is incorrect. I have no idea who this guy is, but he certainly believes that he is something special! The CONSTANT talking, the name dropping, yuck!

Too much of him talking I think he is attached to his own voice. I would like to hear more from her.

He really likes to hear himself talk, doesn't he? Quite off-putting.

I think it was Mr. Alan who kept on speaking..i was actually to hear from Jetsunma..She speaks with so much compassion and in such simple language that it brings in peace of mind automatically. Mr. Alan uses too much jargon which we don't need and don't want to hear...feels like adding more garbage to the already full mind. Jetsunma was only too humble to listen to him and let him babble all the time......

Let her talk, maybe?

mansplaining... i expected something else... :D

She is quite impressive

Two heavyweights within Tibetan Buddhism. So amazing!

Undeniably Jetsunma is a radiantly wise being! Allan Wallace was simply brilliant in this video. He, very intelligently, sheds light on points that can be difficult to grasp at first glance. Thank your for posting this.

Actually，I enjoy listened to Alan's talk very much. He is an amazing teacher. I also respect Tenzin Palmo, but I learned much more from Alan in past years.

Am seeing some real ADHD behaviour here. There’s an impulsive/compulsive drive propelling Alan Wallace’s thinking and speech. I have ADHD myself, and find myself mortified by what I’m seeing and hearing; I see myself and how I get carried away with my obsession. He’s a very authentic and genuine person, but yeah, am seeing ADHD loud and clear.

Sorry but Alan dominated this. I started to watch this video and honestly got tired of his dominance of the conversation. I wanted to hear more from the great nun who spent 12 years in a cave rather than someone who spent 12 years in an assembly hall . . . I got as far as 19 minutes . . .

So many negative comments on a Buddhist talk show... most probably by people calling themselves Buddhist or aligning oneself with Buddhism.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

meditation for its utilitarian hedonistic value out of its ethical, relational and truth of suffering /emotional affliction context...puts a lock on the potential of higher mind consciousness to reach deeper dimension of freedom, bliss and ultimately enlightenment

How embarrassing is to see Alan keep talking

Allan Wallace has some very interesting points in the end of the video. They are both great teachers.

Is this a type of mansplaning?

After viewing some of these comments I just want to say....Okay we get it already: He talked too much.... but did any of you actually listen to what he had to say??!! Or was your mind and overly sensitive little egos to busy being ridiculously critical and being distracted by being offended??? If you had actually kept an open mind and heart you may have listened to somebody like Wallace who made some brilliant points!! Geeez get over it already!! And of course a deep bow of respect for Venerable Jetsunma Palmo for her wisdom and insight. May we all learn from her gracious patience in this conversation.

I love Tenzin Palmo her silent quiet wisdom is so premanating, words are just noise in her world .. Thank-you Tenzin for your constant teachings of Dharma you are my quiet in the storm .. Love you !!!

Would he ever just shut up. Maybe a lesson in tolerance.