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In Conversation with David Frum: Anti-Israel protests on university campuses across North America 

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Leading author, journalist and thinker David Frum and The Hub's Editor-at-Large Sean Speer discuss the recent escalation of anti-Israel protests on university campuses across North America and what they might tell us about higher education, its institutional leadership, and the conditions that enable antisemitism to flourish.
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@pablogeeves7976
@pablogeeves7976 Месяц назад
We don’t need to be an expert on the Middle East to know the difference between self defence and genocide.
@sandilengcobo7904
@sandilengcobo7904 Месяц назад
My sentiment exactly! And you call these guys experts? Jews are over represented on the left. This so called expert does not know or realize that. This is crazy talk!
@georgeh8937
@georgeh8937 Месяц назад
hello pablo. i had to look at your profile to figure out if you are pro palestine or pro israel. you take the side of palestine. so you DON''T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SELF DEFENCE AND GENOCIDE. Palestine started their own problems in 1946 by helping the arab league invasion.
@YouStillNeedToSleep
@YouStillNeedToSleep Месяц назад
​@@georgeh8937Arab league invasion of what? Why did Polish, Ukrainian and Germans migrate from Europe to the middle east, murdered Palestinians and created their iron Palestinian land in 1948? Why did Netanyahu drop his Polish last name??? Why is DNA testing banned in Israel? Lastly, why did you need to look at the commenter's profile??? Abraham was from Canaan (present day Iraq!). Netanyahu and his gang are colonizers who converted to Judaism. They are Judeana by khazarian by ethnicity not jewish ethnicity!!!
@pablogeeves7976
@pablogeeves7976 Месяц назад
I’m not an expert on history, all I know is… Thou shalt not covet, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not kill, Love God and Love your neighbour as you love yourself, Peace in the Middle East,
@georgeh8937
@georgeh8937 Месяц назад
@@pablogeeves7976 Ok Pablo. are we agreed that islam is a pretty immoral religion thanks to muhammad the deluded prophet? and that is why arabs want jews erased?
@holdenmibreath3331
@holdenmibreath3331 Месяц назад
Back when we had only a few mainstream news sources you could get away with this kind of bland or anodyne discussion, and take a paternalistic stance while casually dismissing legitimate dissent by demeaning youth. That no longer works…we see exactly what is happening in Gaza in real time. No one is throwing away their career and future for the sake of cos-play. David Frum is usually a staunch defender of free speech rights on campus but he has a massive blind spot here.
@death_watch_beetle
@death_watch_beetle Месяц назад
Exactly! More than a blind spot. Dismissive and obscuring the very real support the students want to give Palestinians and stop their universities supporting Israel's genocide in Gaza, by Frum making a generalized argument about Jews always being persecuted wherever they are. The genocide is the real issue here, the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza. Pretty disgraceful really coming from someone like David From.
@Genocide2024
@Genocide2024 Месяц назад
Jews and Judaism is not a problem and was not a problem in the middle east. It is with the insertion of zionist into the middle east that is causing all the problems. Thank you to all the good people and youths who stand against fascism and genocide. It is truly ignorance on the part of the government tools and its mouthpiece legacy media who support and push this destruction of humanity, earth and our climate. The amount of bombs dropped on gaza is totally criminal for its destruction of humanity and environment and the disturbances of our collective conscience.
@godzonic
@godzonic Месяц назад
I'm glad the comment section is on. Thank you for allowing community interaction
@xenon6947
@xenon6947 Месяц назад
It is not Antisemitism to criticise Apartheid Israel. You can hide genocide with false Antisemitism allegations.
@sindibadage
@sindibadage Месяц назад
You can hide islamist invasion by false pro-Palestian protests..
@Barney-ii1no
@Barney-ii1no Месяц назад
Everything is anti Semitic, it reminds me of the boy who cried wolf
@honestabe6841
@honestabe6841 Месяц назад
My thoughts exactly. Guys like frum and people who think like him are dedicated liars and believe in this philosophy of necessary evil to get what they want. He's not even American. He's a Canadian.
@arikkatzenberg582
@arikkatzenberg582 Месяц назад
But you wouldn’t dare criticize genocidal Islam, the stupidest idea humanity has ever had. You’ll fight their jihads. Sacrifice yourself and everyone around you for the warlord prophet Muhammad, and his 6 year old Ayisha
@psmorgan2542
@psmorgan2542 Месяц назад
It’s a war, not a genocide.
@Anglo_Saxon1
@Anglo_Saxon1 Месяц назад
I do support the right for Israel to exist. I no longer support the IDF. You cannot label someone an 'anti semite' just because they criticise the Israeli government.
@sindibadage
@sindibadage Месяц назад
Do you support the right for Pakistan to exist?? Or Jordan? There was not nation or country called Pakistan or Jordan just 90 years ago. Should Pakistan dissolve and the land taken back to India?
@sindibadage
@sindibadage Месяц назад
I'm genuinely asking...also what about the horrors that are happening now is Sudan or Nigeria? Did you protest when 400 THOUSANDS Yemenis were known killed by you know very well who. Or 700k Syrians??
@arikkatzenberg582
@arikkatzenberg582 Месяц назад
No one would call u anti semetic for criticizing the government of Israel nor would anyone call u anti American for criticizing Biden. But if you lie about America , if you make shit up, then yes
@mns8732
@mns8732 Месяц назад
​@@sindibadage not Jordan, for sure.
@Anglo_Saxon1
@Anglo_Saxon1 Месяц назад
@@sindibadage I support the right for any sovereign nation to exist.
@millig5318
@millig5318 Месяц назад
Was this interview written by the Irgun or the Stern Gang?
@resurrectedone7463
@resurrectedone7463 Месяц назад
It’s Time for AIPAC To Register as a Foreign Agent
@lamoitte1
@lamoitte1 Месяц назад
Yup ! just the same for defunct terror supporting "The Holy Land Foundation" whose several CEO are in jailand "Council on American Islamic Relation" AKA 'CAIR' who's CEO has praised Oct. 7 massacre.
@mbindwane
@mbindwane Месяц назад
David is minimising the students consciousness. It’s a mistake.
@bluelobster8862
@bluelobster8862 Месяц назад
Look, get used to it. Folks like David Frum, and there are many, are just not good people.
@billmorrison9068
@billmorrison9068 Месяц назад
No, it isnt.
@user-pf7tf3rf1u
@user-pf7tf3rf1u Месяц назад
He is condescending to students.
@marcomlo5762
@marcomlo5762 Месяц назад
He is ... I don't know how to Express without offending...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OcFJuy7YcMA.htmlsi=jmig_zCPnMYO3sK3
@lesweizman388
@lesweizman388 Месяц назад
@@user-pf7tf3rf1u he should be....they are useful idiots
@drnono3386
@drnono3386 Месяц назад
Remembering all those lost to the world forever, let their memories be a blessing. To the hostages kidnapped Oct 7 - let us remember them every minute of every day, bring them home.
@fontainerouge
@fontainerouge Месяц назад
Basically against Trump because he farts (so distastful, right?), but so close to his politics.
@panagenesis2695
@panagenesis2695 Месяц назад
Wow, David "The Bush Administration Apologist" Frum! Where did he crawl out of? After the Iraq War, do you really want to take him seriously?😂
@republica7337
@republica7337 Месяц назад
THE AXIS OF EVIL. This guy is as bright as a burnt out lightbulb.
@ABAKABAK1
@ABAKABAK1 Месяц назад
David is right. Jewish dilemma is (and always have been) : "how to integrate and not assimilate". But it is assimilation (not apartheid) that is a solution to the "Jewish question".
@marcomlo5762
@marcomlo5762 Месяц назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OcFJuy7YcMA.htmlsi=jmig_zCPnMYO3sK3
@BorislavIordanov
@BorislavIordanov Месяц назад
What an idiotic, inhumane question "why are they protesting? what makes Palestian cool?" and then the most disgusting response "social media fame".... conversations like this are very enlightening because you see how a fascistic mind, numb to human suffering and racist, can appear normal and reasonable.
@jaialaiwarrior
@jaialaiwarrior Месяц назад
You find the truth painful
@Sarnianne
@Sarnianne Месяц назад
Disgusting! Including the laughter from the host11😂😂
@bikerd12
@bikerd12 Месяц назад
David is deluding himself if he thinks this is about a few university students. The host asks “ what is it about the Palestinian cause that is cool?” The answer is: 34000 dead, 10000 missing and 80000 wounded.
@godzonic
@godzonic Месяц назад
There was a blockade in Guelph a few months ago on the hanlon expressway, it was brief.
@erikmar2979
@erikmar2979 Месяц назад
"small movement" of "a cadre of highly ideological students" is exactly how the protests against the Vietnam war started. Just go talk to the majority of the protesting students to see why they're protesting - the majority aren't "pro Palestinian" any more than their Vietnam counterparts were "pro Vietnamese" They are and were against paying for indiscriminate murder of children, regardless of national or ethnic origin.
@zu0832
@zu0832 Месяц назад
It was actually not anti war but anti draft
@republica7337
@republica7337 Месяц назад
Well said.
@zu0832
@zu0832 Месяц назад
@republica7337 not well said...the protests were about the draft, hence the mantra "Hell no we won't go". The murder of innocent Vietnamese was of secondary importance. Once the draft ended, the protests ended
@republica7337
@republica7337 Месяц назад
@@zu0832 you need to fact your ideas. They protested against many things, but mainly against the war. Protests against the draft would happen later.
@zu0832
@zu0832 Месяц назад
@republica7337 nope I was there were you?
@louismetz8510
@louismetz8510 Месяц назад
Great discussion! I like his pro-Life analogy vs Anti-Israel analogy. The permission structure that is in question, the severe inconsistencies, the Universities police free speech very intensely when it comes to the expression of center-right speech, but have all of a sudden become free speech absolutists when it comes to anti-Zionism.
@beatrizospina6829
@beatrizospina6829 Месяц назад
I am south american, educated in Canada, or better say, indoctrinated in Canada, being against genocide, is not, is not, anti semitism, the Palestinian genocide is today the most recorded genocide in history and yet, people like you, talking about extremism is negating what is happening. The ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian is an extreme situation, dont't you think?
@eurovitz9199
@eurovitz9199 Месяц назад
here is the definition of genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. "a campaign of genocide" The population of gaza in 1948 was about 250,000. Today is is over 2 million. This must be the worst execution of "genocide" in world history. Additionally, you are obviously accepting the casualty figures put out by Hamas. Even the BBC which is notoriously anti-Israel has come out with a statement doubting the veracity of these figures as have other international experts in statistics. Even if you accept these figures, the IDF has stated it has eliminated 13000 Hamas terrorists. If you compare the ratio of civilian/terrorists deaths it is the lowest of any recent warfare in the 20th century including urban warfare carried out by American troops in Mosul v ISIS. Hamas is a death cult that has built hundreds of miles of tunnels and uses their own civilians as human shields with their headquarters and munitions under schools, hospitals, and mosques. If Israel really wanted to wipe out Gaza they could have done it very easily by now. So stop this nonsensical BS you may be getting on tiktok and start doing some real research before you spout this crap.
@georgeh8937
@georgeh8937 Месяц назад
oh south american beatriz. the united nations sometimes means well and sometimes they are just busybody bureacrats who think they run the world. did you not notice the united nations definition of genocide applies to both sides of the civil war? normal people notice that palestinians want israel erased from river to sea proof that palestine NEVER WANTED PEACE.
@direwolf6234
@direwolf6234 Месяц назад
they let them block roads & bridges with no consequences .. so why not do it on campus ??
@TomHuston43
@TomHuston43 Месяц назад
The "Axis of Evil" guy has nothing to say about Iraq?
@user-ht8lb9rv2o
@user-ht8lb9rv2o Месяц назад
David's trivialises the concerns of students about the gross human rights abuses in Gaza and in the West Bank
@gmh471
@gmh471 Месяц назад
No, he just realizes based on his understanding and knowledge of the region that there AREN'T gross human rights abuses in Gaza or in the West Bank. Certainly not in the West Bank and in Gaza, all abuses are at the hands of Hamas.
@user-ht8lb9rv2o
@user-ht8lb9rv2o 6 дней назад
@@gmh471 Indiscriminate bombing and collective punishment is a war crime -as a lawyer who studied under South African representative at the ICJ, John Dugard, I look forward to arrest warrants for both Hamas leaders and Netanyahu to be issued by the ICC
@MIKEMIKE-te2dt
@MIKEMIKE-te2dt Месяц назад
✡✝☪FIGHT ANTISEMITISM!! Let the people of all faiths (Atheists welcome too!) unite to stop the ANTI-SEMITIC HOLOCAUST of the courageous people of GAZA. Thank you!✡✝☪
@elisemariecollinsyoga5905
@elisemariecollinsyoga5905 Месяц назад
The students I have heard speak are incredibly committed and articulate. I’m this is a better way to approach the issue. I think that the hardline that was just not really a good idea.
@wiseonwords
@wiseonwords Месяц назад
@elisemariecollinsyoga5905 - No, not to me. The students I've heard speak seem astonishingly ill-informed. At best, it's as if they're reciting leftist talking points by rote.
@robertgasperson645
@robertgasperson645 Месяц назад
I am a Socialist. If Mr. Frum and I were living under the Third Reich, both of us would be in the camps. I would stand in solidarity with Mr. Frum in that situation. From his comments here, it seems that he would not do the same for me.
@bobpowers9637
@bobpowers9637 Месяц назад
Why not go to countries where socialism thrives ?
@robertgasperson645
@robertgasperson645 Месяц назад
​​@@bobpowers9637Because I am a proud and patriotic American and I want a better future for my country.
@LocoGeorge123
@LocoGeorge123 Месяц назад
@@robertgasperson645anti socialist Americans who have swallowed too much American propaganda can’t for their lives understand this concept
@keyser021
@keyser021 Месяц назад
@@bobpowers9637 Would you define Socialism as a special class in government appropriated the resources of hard working citizens and redistributing those resources to do nefarious deeds without the consent of the governed they are stealing those resources from? Are you America first? The country of America and the tax paying citizens of America, are they first to you, no matter what? If not, you need to leave.
@bobpowers9637
@bobpowers9637 Месяц назад
@@keyser021 spoken like a true socialist: “you need to leave” making demands on others unless you adopt to the utopian visions in your deluded head
@trails3597
@trails3597 Месяц назад
Why wasn't Palestine divided into two states from the start, instead of three states?
@Enetrebrab
@Enetrebrab Месяц назад
This man holds no currency and is out of touch on this subject. You are obviously ignorant on the history of colonial British stealing Palestine in a response to their own antisemitism. The young are learning of this historical injustice. This is not going away.
@jaialaiwarrior
@jaialaiwarrior Месяц назад
You betray your own ignorance in a single comment. Colonial land theft only applies to Palestine if you think Jews should have been prevented from making private land purchases.
@republica7337
@republica7337 Месяц назад
Colonial British stealing Palestine as a response to their own antisemitism... Perfectly stated.
@baikorg
@baikorg Месяц назад
Anti apartheid was not anti juice
@gmh471
@gmh471 Месяц назад
There WILL be a decline in Jewish enrollment at places like Columbia. They will not feel the sting now, but in 20-40 years they will see a huge decline in donations, largely because Jews will donate elsewhere.
@walan31
@walan31 Месяц назад
Correction its anti war and anti genocide and not Anti Isreali protest. Call it what it is and dont give us a bull shit name
@LocoGeorge123
@LocoGeorge123 Месяц назад
You guys are so disconnected from reality, no wonder you supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
@travcat756
@travcat756 Месяц назад
It makes you wonder what's next
@JoeJoe-di4oj
@JoeJoe-di4oj 20 дней назад
Im moving to another country if trump gets elected 🤔
@dias_yOoda
@dias_yOoda Месяц назад
toute censure est bien une forme extrême et paranoïaque de critique la forme la plus extrême ne peut être exercée que par des ignorants ou des illettrées vous avait été victime des censeurs les plus efficaces qui liquide tous sans avoir rien lu.
@realkunalkapoor
@realkunalkapoor Месяц назад
I appreciate Frum's commentary occasionally but this seems like a lot of minutiae about broken rules & processes on campus but almost zero discussion about the underlying causes. The only real reason underlying Frum's verbiosity is unsurprisingly a casual invocation of ......wait for it..... 'antisemitism'. The interviewer was no better in serving up softball strawmen targeting the students. What a waste of an interview.
@random666777
@random666777 Месяц назад
They have feelings and their feelings MUST be acknowledged!
@AndyNav1
@AndyNav1 Месяц назад
Send him to the same prison where Julian is. Who exhumed him?
@baldwinyeah7042
@baldwinyeah7042 Месяц назад
Les gilets jaunes happened in 2017/18 not in 2012. Their asks were totally legitimate.
@ravipeiris4388
@ravipeiris4388 Месяц назад
Great discussion ❤
@kray97
@kray97 Месяц назад
Free speech with condtions isn't really free.
@Dr.HelenT
@Dr.HelenT Месяц назад
You’re so BLIND!
@candyleonard
@candyleonard Месяц назад
Two arrogant "know it alls" on the wrong side of history.
@ken0272
@ken0272 Месяц назад
PS you guys really deserve more views-excellent journalist/interviewer here.
@Genocide2024
@Genocide2024 Месяц назад
🤢
@somersetdc
@somersetdc Месяц назад
A brilliant commentary.
@RS-uh7rz
@RS-uh7rz 14 дней назад
Wonderful, heartening, discussion. I hope Biden's policy staff are paying attention to Mr. Frum.
@thekcbful
@thekcbful Месяц назад
Get a grip. This is about opposition to genocide and those who support Israel. How is that ideological?
@ken0272
@ken0272 Месяц назад
Each protest on a campus or other heavily used institution/location runs the risk of the protestors losing patience and imposing some kind of control on a "choke point" so they can get more concessions/attention/whatever, then the likelihood that Police will intervene jumps sharply, then who knows what will happen, remember the protest at Sir George Williams University in Montreal in the late 60's-it started out peacefully enough, against a University unable to handle some student complaints of racist behaviour of a Professor, eventually the students occupied part of one of the main halls, the police stormed the building, a fire started, and one death resulted (per Wiki, I don't recall a death at the time). Let them protest, just don't let them get to a choke point..
@user-pf7tf3rf1u
@user-pf7tf3rf1u Месяц назад
The Cops were ordered by rich donors and paid for by the taxpayers. They should have been walking the beat, not this. The students are great. Leave them be. They will restore America.
@user-nk5iw7eh3r
@user-nk5iw7eh3r Месяц назад
Clearly Hasbara has yet to jump on this rather civil/evenly-opinionated comment section.
@jamesmurphy9426
@jamesmurphy9426 Месяц назад
Wrong it's Anti War
@edsacks
@edsacks Месяц назад
I lost hope with David Frum. He sold out.
@PaulineSloan
@PaulineSloan Месяц назад
All of David Frum’s interviews should be high school as well as university mandatory curriculum
@paulwittekind
@paulwittekind Месяц назад
Laugh a lot@
@angus7278
@angus7278 Месяц назад
Dubya’s former lapdog and Iraq war cheerleader. And we’re supposed to care what he thinks?
@MrZakatista
@MrZakatista Месяц назад
“The comfort the Jews feel being in society is a mark of the health of the society,” sure, the chosen people.
@HeyYoZone
@HeyYoZone Месяц назад
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
@gmh471
@gmh471 Месяц назад
From? If it is anything other than themselves, you have the wrong answer.
@Paul-talk
@Paul-talk Месяц назад
I wasa gilet jaune.... Frum is hopeless.
@slynskey333
@slynskey333 Месяц назад
These david frum types are deluded...
@gmh471
@gmh471 Месяц назад
If you are going to make a statement, support it with facts. Someone isn't deluded simply because his informed opinion runs counter to what is likely your uninformed opinion.
@brunolagace7822
@brunolagace7822 Месяц назад
Sean Speer advises us right up front that he is setting the stage for a totally biased pro-Israel stance. This makes this conversation of no interest to a person who wishes to be treated to an objective treatment of the issues. He states: "“In today's conversation, we will discuss the recent escalation in pro-Palestinian protests at universities across North America and what if anything these developments tell us about higher education, FAILURES of institutional leadership and the cultural and intellectual conditions that enabled ANTISEMITISM to flourish.” He even takes his narrative one step further to demonize the future: “It may signal something deeper about the rise of iDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISM among those who will ultimately fill key roles in our major private and public institutions.” All he is doing is confirming the power of the Israeli lobby in the USA to influence American action.
@elainewojnicki9610
@elainewojnicki9610 Месяц назад
Anti zionism is not antisemitism.
@ahmadthalji2707
@ahmadthalji2707 Месяц назад
Israel, in principal, should exist on your land if you support its right to exist. No body should displace any country’s people to establish their state.
@kenlandon6130
@kenlandon6130 Месяц назад
This.
@jaialaiwarrior
@jaialaiwarrior Месяц назад
So you support violent revolution to take land that you think should be yours?
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