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In Defense of "Sonic’s Stupid Friends" 

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Over time, dialogue, and character interactions have become a great focus for the Sonic The Hedgehog series. However, due to a bunch of miscellaneous factors, the idea that the greater Sonic cast-- "Sonic's stupid friends"-- bogs the series down became more and more popular across the years.
Right now, we're at a point where even this discussion itself has become old, and there's a sizeable number of fans who enjoy the characters the games have introduced over the years. Still, I have a point of view on the discussion that I rarely see around on the endless discourse about Sonic. Today, I share my two cents on why Sonic's extended cast is a good thing, and why it's been better than ever over the last few years.
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Комментарии : 18   
@christopherbenac3776
@christopherbenac3776 4 дня назад
I remember reading this online that just by introducing tails that’s one too many friends for sonic. Yes his first friend is one too many So basically, some people saying that sonic deserves to be alone, no friends whatsoever what a sad, lonely existence
@SugarMama98-qb2td
@SugarMama98-qb2td 3 дня назад
No! That being depressing sonic don't need to be alone and that why? he has his friends for, They like family to him.😒🙂😏
@time-aya
@time-aya 4 дня назад
Oh my god, this take is so good! Personally I think Sonic works best when it is just a bunch of underdog friends chilling and having fun, then bad stuff happens now we have to survive, but still we have fun, while doing so. That's why parodies like snapcube or many comics are so dear to my heart. And honestly I'm a new fan, less than a year active in fandom and I came from Sonic Prime (my beloved glorified sonadow fanfiction) and then read IWD comics and I can't wait for more things like Shadow generations - just Sega giving other characters some shine! The world of this franchise isn’t just Sonic anymore and I really find it fascinating. And the fact that fandom is constantly fighting I also find it inspiring since Sonic as a franchise is more like a spectrum. And same with his friends and is just crazy, and I fucking love it. Anyway, I really liked how you gushed 2 times about Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog since I as well I'm attempting to do a sonic visual novel about “healing” or “corrupting” Sonic metal state. But enough about me! You definitely deserve more views so please talk more about Sonic, the quality is great. Keep going!
@ashster_sunshine
@ashster_sunshine 4 дня назад
Thanks so much! We'll keep working hard over here! There'll definitely be more videos on Sonic, especially with Shadow Generations and movie 3 coming out later this year! + A bunch of other stuff! It's funny that you mentioned Sonic Prime cuz-- despite agreeing about the whole Sonic characters thing this video's about-- I actually wasn't a big fan of that one lol (made a whole video about it even). I have my issues with some story/character inconsistencies, the pacing and the overall style of writing. But as you said, being a Sonic fan is kind of a spectrum nowadays haha. It's chill, and I'm glad you were able to get into the series in your own way
@EmceeVoices
@EmceeVoices 3 дня назад
I really enjoyed this discussion! I agree that while it’s cool to have Sonic and friends beating up Eggman, it’s also so nice to just see them chilling and being friends. Also, as one of the official voice actors for Sonic Revolution, I appreciated the shoutout at the end! We certainly do our best to bring these characters to life and to make things enjoyable for everyone listening in. Thank you so much!
@ashster_sunshine
@ashster_sunshine 3 дня назад
Oh thanks so much! Small world, eh? I really enjoyed what I've seen of you guys' work! Keep it up!
@charmyzard
@charmyzard 6 дней назад
I never understood the criticism: At least in concept, it's two things: 1. A mirror of the "friends made along the way" that stick around one's life. 2. A "best of" collection of highs and lows from each adventure that stayed with us, having their respective debut games centered around them in some way, and representing the ever-changing universe of Sonic (before the '06 disaster and following stigma.) What could be both more human and constructive than them? The friends we made along the way?.. Of course, assuming everything is written at least decently. Damned be the overt backlash!
@ashster_sunshine
@ashster_sunshine 5 дней назад
Wow that's a really cool perspective, actually! I never thought of putting it like that, but it makes a lotta sense, yeah!
@trevortyrrell175
@trevortyrrell175 2 дня назад
I feel like if you get rid of Sonic's friends, it wouldn't be that much interesting.
@Axxidous
@Axxidous 3 дня назад
I disagree about Amy. Also I don't consider their ages retconned yet until they say so. Delisting ages doesn't mean that they don't have ages. Or maybe they have commented on it and I'm not aware. Regardless, those were the ages for a while so that's how I'm gonna see them regardless til it changes.
@ashster_sunshine
@ashster_sunshine 3 дня назад
Pretty sure Ian Flynn's been on-record saying we shouldn't worry about the ages anymore. As far as official Sega channels go, I think there hasn't been anything overt, but the silence speaks for itself. I don't think Sega would want to be overt about it either way. Maybe "retconed" isn't necessarily the right word to use, but from the looks of it, the idea itself seems to be abandoned. Having hard ages for the characters can be extremely limiting, especially when there's like-- no way all of these stories took place within a single year. I think the lack of recent mentions of character ages (with Izuka specifically dodging the question once in a Sonic Frontiers interview) after they've specifically delisted from the official site, in addition to Ian-- as one of the series' main writers-- outright stating the ages don't matter anymore is enough evidence that that's the case for me. Basically, the ages are intentionally up in the air now. Believe whatever you want. No one's gonna stop ya. As for the Amy thing, yeah, that's fair. I know a lotta people don't like her sudden change in characterization. Personally I even think it could've been done a lot more gracefully from a writing standpoint. Still, I choose to believe that, in-universe, this is just the product of her off-screen character development and maturing, rather than some misunderstanding of who Amy even is. It's clearly a deliberate choice made for external reasons, so I don't think there was much of a way around it tbh
@Axxidous
@Axxidous 3 дня назад
@@ashster_sunshine I’m not too worried about what Ian Flynn says. He made Prime’s canon explanation sound big and just said “well it takes place Sometime after Advance 3” (we literally see Cubot at the beginning of the series with his post-Colors voice portrayal) And no, the silence doesn’t speak for itself as far as I’m concerned. If anything, it just means they don’t want to have to stick to anything concrete, but doesn’t imply that the ages aren’t valid anymore until they so overtly say otherwise. It likely just means they want to be able to portray Sonic at different points in time. Otherwise Iizuka wouldn’t need to dodge. He can just say “they don’t have set ages anymore”. And actually my thing about Amy… It’s hard to say. It’s like they did something drastic to her and didn’t do anything at all. But at the same time. She has little personality now that makes her stand out. What they described was basically a replica of Sonic, ironically sorta bringing her back to square one when she has no personality in CD and was just a girl Sonic by design. The other thing is that they seem to act as thought this traits are in conflict with her infatuation with Sonic. Really, they can do both. But the problem is that her dynamic with Sonic (all the characters have a dynamic with each other) was taken away because people mistook that for her personality trait. Her dynamic was also in part a running gag that they ruined by going to far and giving her a temper in Sonic X (which is way out of character if you play the Adventure games prior) and now the gag was taken too seriously and is being used as a claim of character development. Except there’s no development. It just suddenly changes. In the form of an announcement. Not even in practice. They just SAY she’s different now but didn’t actually DO anything with her. The other odd thing is they try to silence the fangirl aspect but still say she likes Sonic…. And Ian Flynn is a SonAmy shipper. Nothing against SonAmy fans, but in terms of official portrayals, they were always one-sided romantically. It was cool having an MC who didn’t really HAVE to date someone. It was a huge appeal for me growing up. Didn’t mind Sonic dating on other continuities because they’re different continuities. But despite them trying to hush this dynamic of Sonic and Amy, Ian still finds ways to squeeze in hints of the ship only not as a gag, but as an actual relationship development like Sonic saying that to himself about Amy that he should’ve made up his mind sooner implying he was just indecisive. (But also what’s making him say this? It’s not like he was too late or something.) If anything, it sounds like they paid attention only to the modern tunnel vision Amy, ignored the plethora of traits from Adventure Amy, and decided to do what Adventure Amy was already doing as “new traits” only much more watered down because it was probably an unconscious influence. So it’s not like I HATE what they’re doing with her. But it feels like they don’t know what they’re doing with her, and that they’re only doing it because Amy is starting to fall victim to the poor treatment of female characters in modern times. With the irony of trying to make them better. Just think about all the classic cartoons that got a piss poor reboot like Ben 10 or PowerPuff Girls. That’s how I see what’s happening. lol Sorry to come off aggressive with a wall of text btw. Your video was actually rather great. I’m just really invested. lol
@tawnyfuller8760
@tawnyfuller8760 3 дня назад
Shadow the hedgehog still being an android
@tawnyfuller8760
@tawnyfuller8760 3 дня назад
And stupidly mean
@raviparedes
@raviparedes 11 дней назад
☺️
@user-tw3jm4sb3y
@user-tw3jm4sb3y 6 дней назад
FINALLY SOMEONE DEFENDS SONIC'S FRIENDS!FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYY!🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
@WaterKirby1994
@WaterKirby1994 День назад
I have been defending them for the past 15 Years when I was upset by their removal from the games.
@user-rz2my5uc3l
@user-rz2my5uc3l 2 дня назад
I disagree with your take on IDW and Flynn. Frankly I think he's the worst thing to happen to this franchise since Pontac and Graff. The IDW comic is nothing but references and poorly-done Michael Bay action scenes. There's nothing but inconsequential arcs that have to revert to a half-baked status quo because the "canon" nonsense means they can do nothing worthwhile between game releases - and the games haven't been good since Heroes so those are no help there. This status quo could be interesting ... ish ... were it not for the fact that there's no worldbuilding whatsoever for us to care. The new characters have largely pleasant designs, but they're walking one-note personality traits; "I'm hyper and annoying", "I'm shy/ptsd", "I'm nervous and OCD". I thought nowadays we discouraged such one-dimensional characterization, with "it's licensed" and "it's a kid's thing" no longer being excuses? Or are we making an exception because Flynn is holding everyone's kittens hostage or something? Edit: I forgot to mention how Sonic himself is a horrible person and a hypocrite in IDW. I won't touch on Frontiers because I could write a book on how much I dislike every single thing about that game. Ok that's hyperbole but you get my point. Now, I say all that, and voice my opinion, but want to make it clear I'm merely opining here, and am not out to attack nor antagonize anyone who disagrees with me. Because that'd be retarded. While I disagree with you, I look forward to watching your channel grow.
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