In Development // Dynamic Tracks 

This is utterly amazing. Technology really is mindblowing.

Empty Box Agreed Matt. Also pretty sure this is a standard "tool" for most racing teams in the world. Would be totally worth it. Just not "while" racing, of course ;P

Hey this also means we're getting closer to the much needed dirt racin' !!!

Empty Box Alright, really hypocritical as you had distain for the dynamic track being input at all but of course you have to keep up with how the community sees it as a positive and you also have to stay relevant. Keep it up Empty Trump Supporter!.

You mean RF2

Jeff when would you be putting out more lspdfr an gta5

Cameron Tanner Plus, participation is awful in some series. The last thing we need is more cars

Cameron Tanner The physics are actually pretty spot on. It's just some small grip things they've acknowledged. Certainly closer than pCars.

MrLithiumFox Maybe but pCars FFB is better so overall pCars feels more realistic. That'll be treated as blasphemy here but it's true.

Hugo Stiglitz iRacing's feedback is certainly pretty average compared to many sims, but to say pCARS's feedback is superior to it is just hilarious.

***** I mean, the feedback is dependent heavily on your hardware. On purpose. Wheels only have rotational motors, they only send rotational data. If you want vibration, you need a simvibe or a wheel with built in vibration motors. They're waiting on hardware to develop for, not working on twisting crappy wheels to "feel nice"

jrank1234 Sorry, RFactor 2 destroys iracing. RF2 It does everything described in the iRacing video and much more. Plus, even if you remove all these features from both games, the driving experience alone of RF2's physics and force feedback destroy IR.

BoyRacerFromSaturn5 if rfactor2 had better graphics, better sound, laser scanned tracks (let alone something that even half resembles a real track) and an online presence as big as iracing, then maybe it would come close. Unfortunately for you it will always be the poor cousin.

jrank1234 RFactor 2 has much better graphics in my opinion. IRacing is full of fake baked shadows and is set in a static time of day and has fake clouds (pictures in the sky not actually dynamically generated like in RFactor 2). RFactor 2's stock tracks are very, very good. Not as good as laser scanning but they are extremely well done so your comment about "let alone something that even half resembles a real track" is you just being a troll and proving you have absolutely no idea what you're even talking about. RF2 kills iracing except for the MP mode but I play the sim with the best driving physics and FFB since that is the point of a RACING SIM, not the most players, LOL!

Franklin Ashe I would LOVE to go racing in the sprint cars on DIRT, oh my god, that would be heaven. And this probably means Rallycross might come in aswell, oh god, that is just awesome

504smudge same here!

No more shining billy.

504smudge My jaw has been on the floor for the past 3 years with rFactor 2's real dynamic tracks conditions

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88eltonjr You are completely incorrect. To quote a post by Vince R below "RFactor 2 has had real dynamic track rubbering for years where everything is dynamically calculated from every player including A.I. Even different track surfaces have different characteristics of rubber buildup and even different tires have different characteristics of rubber and marble build up. It even works the same way with wet lines and with drying lines. Even different surfaces get affected differently in the wet. Even painted lines are modelled."

Luke John Russell Yeah I think keeping it strictly to tyres (or the car in general) would be best.

MrJack Sack get dirt tracks in and than it will be simheaven

thunderdog394 v2 This is sim heaven for the time being. This work, the ability to manipulate a paved track in real time is the groundwork for other things. :)

OverTheLine 92 PCars?? LOL!!! RFactor 2 does everything described in the iRacing video and much more. Plus, even if you remove all these features from both games, the driving experience alone of RF2's physics and force feedback destroy IR.

BoyRacerFromSaturn5 Content. Purely content. rFactor 2's content is minimal at best. The mods are mostly half baked and often not accurate. And that depends on what you mean by "Force Feedback". honestly, rF2's feels odd and sometimes empty on a G27 because it tries to interrupt other forces from the wheel. iRacing only sends rotational data to a rotational motor. Technically, iRacing's is more correct. It might not feel better to you, but understanding what it is it feels better to me. I'm actually considering buying a simvibe just to shove it in my wheel. lol.

MrLithiumFox You either like to spread lies or you just have absolutely no idea in heck what you're talking about. RFactor 2 generates it's FFB from the steering forces associated with the vehicle. So your entire post about the style of FFB and which is technically more correct is a complete load of crap. Content is Minimal at best?!! LOL!!! Are you kidding me? It's real common to hear people say RFactor 2 is the best sim around even from people who play a lot of other sims. I don't hear anyone saying that about iracing except iracing fanboys, even then, many of them praise RF2's physics. Empty on a G27? LOL! You obviously have never even played RF2, wow, your entire post sounds like someone who is trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about but instead is absolutely clueless and has his facts completely wrong.

BoyRacerFromSaturn5 iRacing also generates it's forces from FFB from steering forces associated with the steering column itself, but only rotational forces. rFactor 2 adds in forces from the steering column that are non-rotational. This includes up-down/left-right movements of the steering column as well as attempts to replicate the feeling a person would feel while holding on to the wheel. The difference is that in a real car, the person is moving, whereas rFactor 2 replicates that feeling on the wheel side. At some point, due to lack of hardware on the wheel to allow for ANY OTHER FORCES THAN ROTATIONAL, they have to interrupt rotational forces to give you that "additional" feeling. This isn't a lie. It's basic fucking physics. There is no other way to add forces to the wheel other than through the ONE GOD DAMN WAY the wheel provides force, so that means that an interruption must occur to provide data. Content wise: It's got (decent) amount of content, but mostly historical content. Some of the mods are fun, but are a bit inconsistent compared to the default ISI content. ISI's own content isn't entirely up to date either, though the stuff that is is still pretty fun to drive. (I still step into the BTCC Honda cause it's super fucking fun). It's really funny when you call me out like I'm some sort of uninformed twat when I spend around 20 hours a week just scouring all the sim racing forums (including the pCars forum, even though that game is shit), but I've been sim racing for almost 15 years. I've owned games from NR1, to rFactor and "NASCAR SIM RACING" *barf*, AC, pCars, that shitty Grid Autosport game, most of the Gran Turismos, all the Forza's on Xbox 360 and even played a little Driveclub. I'm not speaking bullshit here. You cannot have 1:1 accurate FFB without the hardware. You cannot. 100%. Fact. If the wheel does not provide the methods to provide vibration forces to the wheel, or there is no method to jostle the driver around in the seat, there is 100% no way to provide FACTUAL force freedback. So, iRacing doesn't provide feedback on the forces they can't replicate via hardware means. Simple. Objective. rFactor 2's does feel nice, but like I said I get some "empty" moments where I SHOULD be feeling a rotational force that I'm not. (Eg. Certain moments in a slide while also hitting a curb, etc.) that iRacing at least offers a subtle albeit weak effect for. I'm sorry, but this childish game you're playing is ridiculous. My information is from months of just scanning forums, including ISI's. ISI has a fantastic system, and I'll flat out admit that. But they do take shortcuts too. Sometimes very incorrect ones. [But hey, I have only played around 70 hours of rFactor 2 so what would I know]

Oh god, what a load. Please show me some threads where ISI stated that they use an incorrect way of FFB. Lol. Anyways the driving dynamics of rf2 are the best in simracing. It's tire model is on another level to iracing's and is even better now with the newest updates (only affect 2 or 3 cars so far). The way the tires grip, the way cars slide, the way you handle them, everything is leaps and bounds ahead of iracing. The only thing iracing has that's better is it's multiplayer.

Pathebach RFactor 2 can already do all the track surface stuff mentioned in the video and more. Plus, if you take all of those features out of both games RF2 still blows away iRacing with it's physics and ffb. So I completely fail to see why there will be no reason to play another sim than iRacing if RF2 drives and feels better than IR.

BoyRacerFromSaturn5 No, RF2 doesn't have these features to the level iRacing is implementing them to do. The track rubber buildup is predefined and isn't affected by where the cars are actually driving, it just ups the grip as time passes. Also I don't think track temperature in RF2 is affected by sun and cars driving over it.

ias2424 track rubber build up is not predefined in rf2, that is false. No idea if sun position or driving over specific areas of the track affect temps, though.

J-Duvel You're right, my bad. I was thinking of Simbin's titles.

ias2424 RFactor 2 has had real dynamic track rubbering for years where everything is dynamically calculated from every player including A.I. Even different track surfaces have different characteristics of rubber buildup and even different tires have different characteristics of rubber and marble build up. It even works the same way with wet lines and with drying lines. Even different surfaces get affected differently in the wet. Even painted lines are modelled.

Terio But that's just it: You're depending your variables on other people. Get a team of others to run a different line, then you've messed it all up.

Terio And with different weather conditions, changing sun each session etc, nothing is always going to be the same.

Terio Welcome to life

True, but the little details which add physics realism is most important I think.

I highly doubt they would do that. Would probably just be a massive update.

***** It can make a difference. I am not sure how much it will affect road since I run oval. For oval, this should have a pretty huge effect since they are much shorter than road courses and will probably end up getting heated quicker. Plus, there are a good amount amount of oval series that last much longer than 30 minutes. Even if it does not change quick enough, it is still pretty good for road. I guess we will have to see how much it changes the road and oval racing when they release it.

BLITZKRIEG Yes

BLITZKRIEG Either hands or hands and wheel

hands and wheel would be best

Actually, you can can turn off the wheel entirely.... just some cars still show the wheel (eg: the ones with displays typically stay to allow for you to see the display.)

MrLithiumFox Yeah I hate that as well, they should just bite the bullet and make a generic Motec display instead of leaving the wheel. I really dont care that it doesnt look authentic.

Is it still working now? I need some context as im out of the loop

@@Aro3o6 they did an update in December of 2023, that has helped tremendously. The track definitely becomes wider as the run goes on, and it allows for us to run different lanes. It’s not as great as what it was in the V6 tire model, but it is a HUGE improvement from what we had during the timeline of December of 2019-December 2023. In my experience with this update, the car that allows us to move around the most is the xfinity car. But to answer your question, is that they an updated back in December of 23’ improved the racing significantly and is a good stepping stone towards better updates in the future for oval racing.

nextdrink45 You don't. Haven't you ever played RFactor 2? It does everything described in the iRacing video and much more. I get 200 to 300 fps with a gtx 980.

He says that everyone will get the same track surface... Did you even watch more than a minute?

InZomnia365 they said the same about the weather. I have no faith that this will be without bugs. They couldn't even implement a simple thing like pit limiter from the first time let alone something complex like this.

dakoide it's a art

Hugo Stiglitz Definitely agree with that. I don't have a fancy wheel but comparing iRacing to other sims like rFactor and GSCE I can feel the road much much better in the latter 2 sims. But overall, I love how iRacing is stepping up to the plate and improving these features. It will help sim racing community as a whole as ISI, Reiza, Kunos, and Sector 3 continue to improve their respective products. :)

rancer890 I do have a fancy wheel and a few months ago, I just had a DFGT. On both wheels, the FFB in Assetto Corsa, R3E, GT6, rF2, and fuck, even Driveclub feels SO MUCH MORE ALIVE and more like you're actually driving a car. It's a shame because iracing has laser scanned tracks so every bump is there, you just don't feel them. And I've actually tweaked the FFB in iracing to perfection over time, but it still feels dead compared to other sims. Especially certain cars like the MX5 it just feels awful

Hugo Stiglitz Agree, FFB is really falling behind. it's what puts me off iRacing these days

Hugo Stiglitz You have to understand how they do their force feedback before complaining about it. It's pretty simple actually. Your wheel, even direct drive wheels, offer what is called a "Rotational Motor" to give the user feedback in the wheel. What iRacing does is only offer "Rotational force feedback" to the wheel. They actually have an entire thread dedicated to explaining this and what would need to happen for them to support different features. Mainly, they want people to request for vibration motors to simulate vibration without losing strength from the rotational forces. A little bit of reading goes a long way

Leweegibo Then get a simvibe.

james6m Yup and RFactor 2 also has all of this and way more. But iRacing fans are like the typical public, they just completely buy into everything their government tells them all over the crap on mainstream media. They do the same with iRacing "OMG new tyre model!!!" LOL!!!!!

BoyRacerFromSaturn5 are you going to reply to every comment? lol

bigmancan1 same man

Peakcupseries guys, sorry to break the news....its time to upgrade

gothicvillasgaming well that's not a smart financial decision for a college student. So it's not quite time yet

bigmancan1 The thing is, the game hasn't really had a huge upgrade in almost 7 years. It's about time to upgrade.

gothicvillasgaming I'm using a brand new PC... But it's a laptop haha. I can manage 90 FPS with high graphics level and I have decent ping levels. So I don't need to upgrade my PC , probably just my graphics card. I'm just worried it'll be to much for my PC.

True Racer Well, in a 45 minutes race, it won't change that much i suspect. When people are battelling half the time it might spread more or farther. If it does not, well, we just have to all become lap one heroes :D . Best IRacing vid ever for me (exept Imobile).

***** Yep that was exactly what I was thinking. The Oval side sucks with follow the leader. I really hope this helps a little to create some action and open up the possible two lanes of racing