IN THE BEGINNING... | Worship Drummer Reacts to "Eden" by Ren | Artistic Vision & Biblical Accuracy 

Hello, everyone! I'm truly grateful for the tremendous feedback on this video. The lively discussions have been enriching. If this is your first time viewing, please take a moment to check out the Community tab before adding your comments. After filming this, my interactions with this community have led to some enlightening insights. While my faith remains steadfast, my understanding of Ren's narrative has evolved. I recommend reading the two posts regarding EDEN in the Community section before sharing your thoughts. Thank you!

I very much like your reactions. This was the end of a game that Ren set up that every day dove into one of the Seven Sins. Where possibly thousands of people from all over worked together as this magical collaboration and ending with Greed, had a twist and then this played, just moments prior to the release of Money Game 3. It was such a pleasure to be a part of. It never entered my mind to question whether Ren had the story 100% accurate to my beliefs but to just be amazed that this musician would bring so many wonderful values to the forefront in a time when we desperately need it. On the last day of the Money "Game" Ren changed the rules, he said it was no longer a collective, it was each man for himself for a huge prize. We were no longer suppose to share information and help each other and when we thought we had the answer we would email it and the winner would be notified. In this he spoke of how we had accomplished so much in the attempt to win money and I was never more proud of the fact that I had sent my email in at the beginning of the day saying, I would not be entering the final day for the prize money because the biggest gift I had received already by working with the amazing people I had met through Ren. That the money meant nothing compared to the experience and then spent the day once again helping brainstorm and try to find answers with my friends. When the twist in the game came that the last lesson was about greed, it felt like a test that I passed and it brought me so much joy to know this about myself. Sorry, sometimes the amazing journey my life has taken since being inspired by Ren just feels like it needs sharing.

Great reaction! I just scrolled through the comments to see if I could find any hate. I didn’t see any. We Renagades are pretty open minded, and we are many. We represent all faiths and even the lack of faith. We tend to respect anything that isn’t destructive. The more I’ve gotten to know rens fans, the more I believe in them. Maybe I’m being a bit odd here, but I’m so proud to be part of that community. I’m sorry for gushing about them on your channel, but, we focus so much on Rens music, struggles, and message, that we don’t stop enough to say, “what an absolutely amazing and beautiful group of people.” I love all of you.

I love this piece because I get to see who, watching it, is willing to step way back and view a whole instead of getting mired in the weeds. Thank you for your reaction!

Great commentary. As another agnostic, I would never fault you for your more literal interpretation of his interpretation. From my "outside" perspective, I would agree with his interpretation of God being lonely because there is no other god... only one from the Christian perspective. Regardless, yes, the back half of this was phenomenal, regardless of what you think of the front end. I put outside in quotes because I grew up Methodist, switched to Baptist when my parents divorced, and I graduated from a Presbyterian high school. I've studied other religions here and there. This is a quote I'll get wrong which I heard from Ren in an interview... I assume he's more well read than I am in likely more religions... "I'm not opposed to believing in God, but I do have quite a few questions to ask." I'm sure he said it better.

ive seen this many times and watching your reaction once the story changes gave me chills. thank you for this ♡

It's good to hear different reactions and different perspectives. Like all art, it will evoke a different response in each listener. Ren succeeds in throwing up a mirror to beliefs, attitudes and issues in the world.

Thanks for the great reaction. I appreciated your insights on his interpretation as well as the fact that you didn't let your differences bog you down when the second half came around. Too often people stop listening as soon as they hear a thing that they don't agree with. Thank you for your open mind and honest reaction. Looking forward to the next one.

Well done breaking this down in regards to theology. I am a Christian as well and took part in the Money Game this was attached to. The Money Game was the best promotion I have ever seen for music or anything else for that matter. It was truly an incredible and fun way to connect fans. Ren was having so much fun preparing the games, that he kept forgetting to promote his album 😂. Like you, I disagreed with the interpretation of the story of Eden, but his end point was spot on. I hope you watch an interview with Ren at some point (even if on your own time) because you will see the autheniticity, empathy, and humor that we love in Ren's music is just who he is. And the world craves authentic people, which you seem to be as well. Much love from Montana

Thank you so much on your views and your own interpretation on this one. I am agnostic but I'm open to all thoughts and opinions and appreciated yours.

Raised catholic but am now a full on atheist. Still enjoyed your reaction. Great stuff!

Just finished your video. What a great analysis. I am personally not a believer, but I could listen (and if we were in the same room converse back) about this and a lot more. Very respectful and knowledgeable, and I applaud your take on this. This piece of work is not one of my favorites in the sense that its going on my spotify playlist, but this reaction is one of my all time favorite. Just wanted to say "good job" to you, sir

I was really interested in what you thought thank you so much for sharing your thoughts ❤❤❤ Plus you said before you wanted to know where ren stood on his beliefs so this gives you a great idea of where he stands. It’s all about respecting each others beliefs

Thank you for your openness to Ren's interptetation and brining your learned interpretations to the reaction. Ren has religious themes in his work but by admission is agnostic like myself. We share an intellectual fascination with religion but we do not have the faith, as yet. It is pleasant to watch your reaction, you have a kind soul and you show a great deal of empathy. It is a messed up world we are living in. I think Ren used the story of eden for the starting point to show how we have lost our way or been led astray by humans.

Its always rough to watch a relgious person watch the first 1/2 of this. I never knew how fragile peoples faith was. Its an opinion people, that's all what religion is, an interpretation. Everyone will have their own opinion. I don't think Ren is wrong, maybe with your particular interpretation he is, but who are we to judge. Its also an art piece, not to be taken as a sunday school lesson. Peace

I love this reaction! I am a Christian and I learned some things I was not aware of and I thank you for this ! I am also a huge Ren fan but I am disturbed by some things he says! I love Ren for his loving, caring, empathetic ways ! He wants nothing more than to share love and good! Love your channel ! You are one of my very favorite reactors, and people😊 ! ❤ God bless !

Great reaction. Love your breakdown of what REN was saying.. Looking forward to more reactions from you.

Another great reaction! I love how you knew going in you might spark a debate, but didn’t turn the comments off. If everyone was as open, maybe we could start moving our country in a positive direction.

🙏TLDR: I apologize up front for the essay... essentially I argue below that there is room for multiple scenarios, where Ren could be right, you could be right, or even both. I appreciate your commentary and perspective on this, and the Renegades are typically very open to honestly speaking your mind. I don't claim to be a Biblical scholar, however I grew up Catholic in the Church, attended Sunday school through my Confirmation, so I do have some understanding of the subject. So if I may offer up a few counterpoints and a theory, hopefully to spark conversation, Regarding two of your points, that: 1) God cannot lie 2) God did not condemn Adam and Eve to death (in the context of death as an immediate punishment vs an eventual consequence) I'll address #2 first, as there are contradictions in the Text that might appear to lead to a contradiction of #1 (but I have a theory on how to resolve this). MOST (5 out of 7 listed below) of the most-read versions of the Bible specifically state that Adam and Eve would die *on the day* that they eat of the forbidden fruit. This includes the King James Bible, which is believed to be the most accurate to the original source, and has been the most popular English-language version for the past 400+ years. In fact, going all the way back to the oldest texts on the subject, the Dead Sea Scrolls [~300 BCE-20 CE], although they do not contain the full account of what we know of as the Book of Genesis, what remains in the fragments does indeed include the relevant section, and does specify imminent death *on the day* that the fruit is eaten. Even though the scrolls existed outside of time and influence, and there are some occasional differences in details with official accounts of events elsewhere in the Masoretic Text (the authoritative source for the 24 Books of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh)), the accounts of this specific passage about the consequences of eating the forbidden fruit are in alignment. This suggests that point #1 could be incorrect, because Adam and Eve did not in fact die that day, but were banished from the Garden with the burden of their newfound knowledge. **Personal Speculations** 1) I believe the concept of "lies" arguably requires the event/subject of the "lie" to be in the past. Even misleading statements require a previous determination of the outcome of events to come. This leads to a couple of possibilities, either God was speculating and was wrong -OR- if God is believed to be infallible, perhaps God *changed His mind*, something He has been recorded as doing many, many times over in the Old Testament. 2) What if "death" didn't refer to mortality in this context, but instead rerferred to something like "spiritual death", "dead in God's eyes" (i.e. separation from God), or even their banishment itself**. In any of these scenarios God hasn't lied and wasn't wrong in any of the Biblical versions below. But what about human mortality? What if Adam and Eve were *created* mortal? Up until the eating of the forbidden fruit, the subject of their actual mortality is never discussed, and at no point in the Bible does it ever say they are actually "immortal". Remember that to that point, Adam and Eve had no concept of human mortality, they'd never experienced punishment, and they'd never experienced deceit. ** Depending on your beliefs, there may be precedence for this interpretation of "death" (meaning banishment) in the stories of Lucifer's banishment from Heaven as well as Lilith's banishment from the Garden, Adam's supposed first wife. As witten in Genesis 2:16-17, they all contain text concerning the rest of the Garden, similar to: [2:16] And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat (KJV) , then: 1) King James Version (KJV) [1611] [2:17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for *in the day* that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 2) New International Version (NIV) [1885] [2:17] but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” 3) English Standard Version (ESV) [2001] [2:17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for *in the day* that you eat of it you shall surely die.” 4) New King James Version (NKJV) [1982] [2:17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for *in the day* that you eat of it you shall surely die.” 5) Amplified Bible (AMP) [1965] [2:17] but [only] from the tree of the knowledge (recognition) of good and evil you shall not eat, otherwise *on the day* that you eat from it, you shall most certainly [a]die [because of your disobedience].” 5) The American Standard Version (ASV) [1901] [2:17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for *in the day* that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 6) New Living Translation (NLT) [1996] [2:17] except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.” 7) Christian Standard Bible (CSB) [2017] [2:17] but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for *on the day* you eat from it, you will certainly die.”

I'm really enjoying your Ren reactions! I appreaciate your knowledge, analysis and explanation of your point of view. Subbing for more. Thank you!

That was a great reaction. You got the angle in the end when Ren revealed his agnostic. That's his interpretation of the story. Again, great job. I enjoyed that one. Keep it up.!!! There's sooooo many layers, too, Ren.!! ❤❤🇬🇧🇫🇴🇬🇧🇫🇴🇬🇧👍👍😁

I just finished the video. Much love and respect to you brother.

Love the video ! Im still here still enjoying your input

I thank you Sir amazing reaction yes the first part it was only right you set the story straight but the second part of the video give me goose bumps watching your reaction respect to you and yours stay safe awaiting more reactions from you of ren take care much love from the U.K.

Interesting clarifications, appreciate the nuance. As an acknowledged agnostic I would only suggest that "perhaps," "could assume", and "maybe" is not a statement of fact, just interpretation, so "not true" may be more accurately called "not a traditional interpretation," which is a fair assessment but not necessarily "not true" or "not correct." "One dimensional" is a bit strong for me, as the typical reading of biblical verses are often limited by the absolute assumptions that all philosophical arguments, including religious philosophy , are based on. Again, tho, respect your openness and for the understanding of issues I have to re consider based on your explanations.

I'm glad you got on to this x

Excellent reaction. As an avowed atheist I find your take interesting.

Glad to hear your perspective of this video. I was brought up a strict Catholic so I know the Bible version of above. I’m a lapsed Catholic now but I’m still a Christian.

Thank you for reacting BTW.

New Sub from a big Ren fan from the UK. First watched your Hi Ren reaction and the title said something about you losing some people after this. I would inagine its been the opposite. Great reactions,looking forward to more Ren😊

We should all take lessons to better ourselves whatever our beliefs. Great reaction! All best!

Glad to hear your perspective on the video. Appreciate your insights. Go Steelers!!

Wow, that tritone knowledge you dropped was very interesting. You are a very cool reactor. Most reactors just give their reaction. Some have some music knowledge, but you dropping amazing facts that blow me away. Thank you. I do have a question. I tell my friends that listening to Ren is kind of a litmus test for intellectualism. If you can see that there is something much smarter going on with the music and the creativity than you recognize Ren. Do you think I'm out to lunch on this? Do you recommend other artists that can do this?

I enjoyed your breakdown of this. Looking forward to the Money Game series.

The fact that he’s an agnostic means we can take the inconcistencies with biblical canon as a plot device to take us towards his actual point, rather than the ultimate truth itself. Ultimately, Ren isn’t a biblical scholar, so we can’t really expect him to get everything right. And in the end, it is up to us as individuals to uncover the truth where falsehoods have consequences we’re unwilling to face. If we let the inaccuracies of the story blind us to its actual message, resulting in us arguing too much about his biblical interpretation, we’re basically forcing the responsibility to understand the bible unto Ren, abandoning our own responsibility to learn. This is why I love your video. Contesting false claims with your own knowledge, and then going on to listen to what the other person is saying, instead of what you want to believe they’re saying. That’s how to use your free speech to get our human hivemind closer to more accurate knowledge, and ultimately, the truth.

Thank you! ❤

Loneliness is impossible to God- buahaahahahaa you made me laugh , thanks

Very well done reaction. Thank you.

Great reaction, and one of very few religious based reactions I have watched through,... most reactors have tended to get on there high horse and talk to viewers as if THEY (the reactor) were the all knowing... we are all on this spec of dust, in this incredible universe.. just trying to figure s#@t out.. now I'm rambling 😂 much peace and love ❤️ ps I was waiting for 27:20, as could see you had spent the previous 20 mins a almost coming to the same conclusion... WE must do better 👍😉😘

subbing, excited to see you do Seven Sins and Wicked Ways, [and the rest of Rens bangers too]

I am halfway through and I appreciate your insights; as an agnostic, I would like to share some thoughts. I would ask you to appreciate that, often, when Ren is giving his interpretations he doesn't present them as fact, but as an idea to be discussed. He also never says that Humans and Lucifer share the same fate, but that we share similar fates which cannot be untrue because the word similar is ambiguous. Anyway, thank you for your insightful commentary. Much love from Canada! I would also invite you to be a little bit more open-minded and entertain that your understanding of scripture is not the one and only true understanding. Someone else's lens is not weird to he who wears the lens. The fact that Humans exist (through the lens of scripture) is proof that God has wanted more thus we were created. So...

Loved your thoughts ❤❤❤ ren has a song called patience and it’s beautiful there’s a line in it “although you test me my God I stand so proudly can’t you see” and it’s just lovely ❤❤❤❤

Thanks dude thought you would get it ❤

Yes, it doesn't matter how we got here. It matters what we do...because we DO KNOW right from wrong. I have a little trouble myself with the first part. i agree wholeheartedly with the 2nd part.

I feel that Ren grew up with a religious upbringing, yet through his experiences of disease wracking through his body and mind has led him to self introspection about his personal faith. It is expressed in his art, and no particular song explains the whole journey. A listen and thinking about a large part of his catalog gives snippets of his faith, including the human experience as it relates to God. Ren is also using his Free Will to highlight that which much of society chooses to ignore in various ways. Ren often shares observations about humanity. Humanity's challenge is to overcome Monkey Brained Tribalism.

Appreciate your reaction. Your respect for Ren is appreciated. "You're all welcome here. I just hope I'm welcome where you are." "Atheists, agnostics and believers can all work together to make the world a better place." Keep the conversation going :)

At over 400 comments, I don’t know if you’ll see this one. My favorite author is Ted Dekker. He writes spirtual truth, couched in supernatural thrillers. He always brings the story back to redemption and sanctification. I'm currently reading a devotional he wrote (a detour from his normal writing), call The Forgotten Way. He writes about our identity in Christ. He aligns his writing very closely with scripture, and yet I see my self doubt rise up over and over again, bucking against the glorious, ridiculous, radical grace that has been bestowed on us. To root our identity in Him - to sit in the seat reserved for Him (seated with Him in heavenly places) - to inherit and rule with Him... all of it seems wild. Anyway. I think you'd enjoy it.

Great reaction ❤

"forcing someone to love you is not love". "love me or burn in hell for eternity".

I was raised by a father who was agnostic and a mother who had been raised Jewish, but she wanted us to decide for ourselves what we believed. So, she sent us to a COE school as ahe felt they embraced and would teach us about all religions. I have also attended Buddhist classes and my daughter went to a Catholic school. Rather than make a choice, I now state my religion as 'of the heart' as I have faith but it stems from many. I follow a path of good intentions, and take responsibility if i make mistakes. Whatever, and whoever the 'creator' may be, I believe it is inside all of us. We are all intrinsically linked and part of a universal tapestry. ❤

If you want to know more about the genius money game challenge Ren set us there is a series of breakdowns done by a fellow reactor Rikashae which gives you a flavour of each of the quizzes. All based around the 7 deadly sins. The first one took the community hours to crack by the end everyone had figured how to work together and it was taking minutes. Once the password was identified it was posted online so that everyone could have a crack at winning. Definitely worth a watch ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J2yIeymld34.html

I wish all Christians were like you. It is obvious that both you and Ren have spent a lot of time really studying and thinking about the Bible. Much more time than I have and I appreciate learning and thinking about both your interpretations. Fabulous reaction ❤❤

I love Ren and know his story and motives leading up to this, which helped me understand where it came from. I have been on a faith journey and the fact that the humanization of God in the beginning made me cringe, told me I am getting somewhere. Thanks for your reaction. ❤

Cant wait for the money game series. Keep it going brother

I respect you and welcome you.

looking forward to see what your take on this will be :)

I look forward to the Money Game series, bro ❤

A simple "thank you" from me to you. ❤

Imagine if we all believed in us ..humanity ❤

& again paused at 26:40 to say a big big wholehearted YES i Agree!!!

Okay I've been bingeing your Ren reactions and I'm glad to see you connected the Devils Interval or progression. Loving the reactions! I will kick the hornets nest and say no. You state that "god" dictates that he cannot lie but admit that he created, knows about, and is responsible for all things. *drops mic

Thank you 🙏❤ Teck ❤ for your 🐷 Ren - 🏞👩👨🍎🐍 Eden reaction! #ren #eden #realmoneygame #moneygamefinish #sickboialbum

Oke, I'm looking forward to this... personally I think its briljant❤

I love your reaction to this. And hearing your thoughts. Check out Dear God also from Ren. Also thought provoking.

I respect where you are coming from with being true to the bible; however, you cannot tell me a book supposedly written over 2000 years ago is word for word what GOD actually said. All of this is in interpretation from the an interpretation by the council of Nicea under Constantine the Great. The current bible was "edited" by the various church aristocracy across the empire and approved by the emperor himself. Who knows what was in the original, who knows what was added to aid in the strengthening of the official Roman Catholic Church in order to help the emperor bind his empire together. This is why I roll my eyes when I hear according to scripture which is GOD's words verbatim. Love your reaction! Cheers!

There’s nothing like religion that can derive devision between the most like minded of peoples. Religion the root cause of war throughout human history. It can even cause Renegades to become slightly frustrated with one another. I love you my fellow Renegades! Yes, I’m laughing at us. 😆😅😂🤣😘❤️❤️❤️✌️

I don't think it was a bad experience at church i think when you get as sick as he was God is definitely something you question or even doubt and I would imagine it is hard to overcome the reason for feeling like you were left out to dry. Love the reactions keep it up Bro

Loved it. Would love to hear you react to Ren’s song “Dear God”, it’s a letter to God, and a commentary on religion/society. I think you’d like it

Great Reaction TECK, pleaes do more REN. Money Game is on your list but do not forget that he has a ton of stuff. Renegades are just super excited about Money Game 3. I would love to hear your reactions still for the series: Freckled Angels; Dominoes; Suicide; and For Joe. That serious is related but not knowingly by the names. I loved your comments in the last video and in this one too. PLease DO keep it up. As with REN, I am agnostic too. However, while I discount the works of man, i.e. the Bible, Koran or other writings, I do believe in a higher being or authority. I just cannot fathom belief based on anything other than what is inside me. Good and evil are inside each of us. How we express that outside our minds, be it moral, values, beliefs, teachings, practice or what not, is an expression of our individual goodness. That is what I believe. Perhaps if I were to name my God, I would look to 'Hi Ren' where Ren says, '"Some people know me as HOPE". That one bar shocked me the most when I heard it. Ren speaks to the internal battle and eventually finds balance inside himself. I am writing about the external expression of goodness alone. I seek HOPE. When I am gone, if my soul spreads through the quantum foam or I find myself under the gaze of God, I will not regret.

Thank you for your interpretation. I found the same inconsistencies in Ren's interpretations, they are very close to 100% accurate, but simple inaccuracies can change the story 100%. I believe Ren's message is helpful, inciteful and not conceded, but made with love. Your opinion and thoughts are always welcome. much love!

Absolute masterpiece, nothing but pure facts, well I won’t say the beginning is facts because I don’t believe in god and all that surrounds it but I respect others beliefs. You need to do the Money Game trilogy (lyric vid for part 2) 🖤

YAY!!! **GeniusRen** **Get It** **ManyPixieHugz&LuvzALL**

My aim is to leave the world a better place when I leave it as well and it was nice hearing you say the same thing. I did subscribe to your channel. Normally I won’t do that for someone who has faith because I’m atheist that has had religious people push their religion on me as soon as they find out I’m atheist. you welcome everyone, as do I until they try to push their religion on me. He uses the story because it leads into his other song, the seven deadly sins which you should check out. I would also remind you that people can interpret your book in different ways. It doesn’t make them right or wrong and it doesn’t mean that you’re right or wrong.

peace of Christ be with you

The money game that was played on-and-off the interwebs and in the real world stands a bit apart of the so-called Money Game "trilogy" of Rap songs. It is essentially Money Game, Money Game Part 2 and Money Game Part 3, no surprises. But then, there are a few more videos than just the 3 one would expect. The Money Game "trilogy": 1 Ren - Money Game (Official Music Video) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0ivQwwgW4OY.html 2.1 Ren - Money Game Part 2 (Official Lyric Video) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YonS9_QJbp8.html

I'm feel that, ironically as an an agnostic, I do have faith in the future based on the view of the younger generation I have seen, they seem more in harmony to the world then my generation

Just started your reaction I’m eager to see your take on this!!?

Its great that you reacted to this... Although Ren says hes agnostic, hes mentions God a lot in his songs. If you listen and react to Dear God by Ren its like a prayer to God, he asks him some big questions. Prohaps you might have the answers.

i am in tears **Beautiful** & **Horrid** just WoW but yes unfortunately **Time Immemorial** of greed do NOT know how we will ever overcome that...guess there also is always **Hope**

25:17 Amen brother. Subbed

Someone else might have chimed I with this, but the line that God created us for His eternal pleasure, implies that God has desires and a desire is defined by the wanting of more than you currently have. It is mentioned many times in the Bible, the desires of God. This is a logical interpretation of the words as written in the bible. I would also like to point out that the concept of the Trinity is relatively new within Christian faith and is predominantly an American doctrine. Many Christians outside of the US don't recognize the Trinity and so from the prospective of a single God, loneliness is completely possible.

You have so many to choose from !! For his messages watch the Money Games 1,2 & 3 His lyrics check all his lyrical videos. I think he has like 25 or so available. For his voice, Big push his busking videos or Fred Again mash-up, or Back in 74 message in a bottle . You could pick any of ones on his page and you won't be disappointed . Then check his 1 million subscriber thank you speech. Or his interview with your fellow reaction-er Knox Hill..

If He made us for his own enjoyment, wasn't that him desiring more..??

I always feel bad when people recommend Christians react to Eden because I know the comment section will most likely be brutal. IMO the Eden comments really need to be face to face conversations to reach a point of peaceful mutual understanding. I applaud you for trying to thoughtfully respond to everyone in a loving way. ❤️

It is all about the second half of the song? It does not matter what you believe, what matters is how you use free will. How you live, perhaps is the more important than you specific beliefs. Believing fine, now live it.

Much respect. I’m a Thomas. I doubt. Taking the Bible literally is impossible for me. Blind faith is like the robot you mentioned several times. I believe, in something. Thank you.

Perspective is a real thing. You speak of what Ren says as his “interpretation”, yet you don’t position your perspective as an “interpretation” also. Phrases like “that’s not true” is you presenting your interpretation as fact.

Hi just wanted to say i really do like what you said about behavior & taking responsibility

I love that your faith lets you believe this. Its commendable. How do you know it's not true? Were you there? Or do you believe what you read?

Seven Sins and the Money Game Trilogy both expand Ren's view of the nature of man...there are so many different directions to go, but you will get to these sooner or later....lead on.

All "Christian denominations" Churches have their own interpretation of the bible. And most people have their own interpretations of verses too.

yeah, i reacted to your reaction of money game before this. the garden had two trees the tree of life and the tree of knowledge. our being cast out from eden cut humanity off from the tree of life ergo we live and reproduce and die. so god told the truth the devil twisted the truth by saying we'd be spared god never said our death would be instant the devil implied it would. having said all that it doesnt matter what matters is what we do with what we have. it all boils down to love. if greed is the most insidious sin then love is the most prolific virtue. love yourself and project your love outward and we can change the world.

Open your mind

Ren said that he is spiritual but not religious in an interview. I think it is important to understand that when listening to his music/art. Lost All Faith is good song that helps understand Ren and his faith. What I don’t know is if Lost All Faith is just a snapshot of his feeling in a dark place or a larger description of his beliefs. Most likely, it is a bit of both. I think the thing people miss is that to God, death may not be death in the physical sense. Separation from God is also death. Adam and Eve lost a perfect relationship with God; spiritual death. Eve saying God lied demonstrates her complete corruption. Ren is currently my favorite artist. I love almost all of his art. This is not one I listen to.

Money Game trilogy should be your next view...

What Ren said in the first half of the video is an interpretation of the events of Genesis. Remember, modern Christianity is something that evolved from Jesus' teachings, but it been influenced by other religions ever since. Jesus' teachings can be summed up in a few short paragraphs. Everything else was put there by man. I'm an agnostic, and I've studied religion for the better part of 20 years now. I believe everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of religion, and none of them are wrong. What's right for one person may be completely wrong for another. It's the aspiration to be like something greater than yourself that's important. If your religion helps you to do that, then it's right for you, as long as it doesn't also teach you to condemn others for their own beliefs.

With the way you break down music I’m looking forward to the big push reactions

"We exist for his pleasure", therefor he, God, desired more. More entertainment apparently.

I would LOVE for someone with your belief's and insights to react to a track called Alleged Legends by The Streets. It really make's you think and question religion not in an aggressive way, just a thought provoker, so would love to hear your opinion

I think the bible is an interpretation. But this is a work of art . I live your music knowledge. The biggest issue i have with religion is yhat man presumes to know the mind of God and follow a book written by men to whom religon assumes have inside knowledhe that requires us to follow to find salvation. Anyway, each of us follows our own path. Ren is referencing the online Money Game based on the 7 deadly sins. We used collective intelligence to solve riddles and win money for each "Sin" with a huge kicker on the last one of greed. The winner was given a choice and when the choice was made, this video was played.