The scream of sheer joy at seeing Mr Grizz in the campaign, followed seconds later by the realisation that this means he could very well be a mammalian bear absolutely killed me
I get that they are not satisfied by grizz being a bear but “how is the bear talking and still alive” is very funny because one look at Grizz and you see that he is clearly not really a bear anymore
I still think this counts as Judd and Lil Judd being the only mammals left. Grizz is like, barely even alive (that thing can straight up melt like there’s no organs in him) and his creations with the fuzzy goo are hardly mammals, just hairy sea creatures. He’s lost his sense of self and possibly even deluded about what his is now, and anyone who touches the goo shares that fate with him.
i wouldnt say hes entirely "barely alive" he very much has emotions. he started making mammals due to being the only one left and he does realize that mammals will never come back and his time is done at the end of the story mode (at least in english, idk what the jp version dialogue is)
Since there are no other mammals mr. Grizz doesn’t take a way from the Judd’s significance, he was the 3rd mammal survivor that didn’t wake up till a short time ago and loathed the lonely world he awoke in
@@pickl6847 well yes he used to be a mammal but now that’s more uncertain as he’s barely alive at this point. Being completely consumed by the ooze to the point of him being able to collapse into sludge and reform. I don’t even think he has emotions anymore, he just speaks in soulless corporate talk.
I mean if you read the final log he was very much a bear, its important to remember that the games didnt say mammals were extinct! Just wiped off the face of the earth! I think its implied mr grizz landed back on earth between splatoon 1 and 2. Still very much a mammal
the juxtaposition of cuttlefish's near-dead body immediately followed by mr grizz looking like that one giant teddy bear with a tiny head will never fail to make me laugh
kinda funny but i also saw a Twitter post saying the sr gear for September and october being back to the future references with side by side image comparisons which is pretty cool
@@tsu08761e Are you telling me the average splatoon fan who's more into the game than most players would be able to recognize a hat as one from a piece of concept art that doesn't heavily resemble it instantly
The second they revealed Mr. Grizz was a bear, I knew you'd be pissed. But in my opinion they handwave it enough to that they make it believable in-universe. However I think the subtle implications that Grizz gained sentience through human experimentation, or even the crystals that gave the inklings and octolings intelligence. Do I agree that it was lazy and predictable? Yes. Am I ok with it? Also yes.
I thought the crystal thing was brilliant. I thought it was a wonderful metaphor for how even in death, there is life. After the destruction of human civilization, I think an entirely new life form emerging from the remaining hopes and wishes of mankind was a beautiful way to explain the evolution of the Inklings. There are things I would change or expand upon, of course, but I think Return of the Mammalians overall is a great story about the beauty of how life on Earth finds a way to keep on living. Even Mr. Grizz, dumb predictability aside, ties wonderfully into this narrative. I love the detail of when he notices how truly alone he is, and his desperate need to cling on to the past and see his own kind again drove him to destruction and obsession. If Return of the Mammalians is about being able to recognize and appreciate the change going on around you and letting life continue, the story of Mr. Grizz is about the danger of refusing to see that truth.
am I the only one who found playing as an octoling for Return of the Mammalians really funny? especially at the beginning Craig is like “It’s DJ Octavio!” and I just imagine octoling new Agent 3 like “Yeah, man. I know.”
@@itsme7336 I know people debate about whether the octolings in the Splatlands got the same living situation and integration as the octolings in 1 and 2 because of Shiver’s clan but either way it’s like sir I’m right here 💀
Gettin to the final boss and instead of feeling like "hAHa yoU wERe wRonG" I was like "damn, that's cool. But how will this affect the economy? And rassicas' mental health-"
I'm just happy what I wanted Mr. Grizz to be; Was actually what he was; I DON'T GIVE A ****** IF RASSICAS IS UNHAPPY WITH MR GRIZZ BEING WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT HIM TO BE!!!!
Denial, anger, bargaining, revert back to anger, more bargaining, depression, no acceptance of Grizz's existence I expected Rassicas to grief, didn't expect them to create their own version of it.
For 2 whole worlds it was anger, barganning, and denial on loop and than grizz being shown was anger with some bargaining and than after alterna’s log… acceptance
@@Killallmangahaters A lot of people go through the phase of: "You know that thing you loved when you were younger and created a lot of theories and AUs about it? It's really not that deep, sorry." u_u
@@Killallmangahaters RU-vid commenters when people have an interest. If anyone's the sad one, it's the people who try to say someone's putting too much of themselves into something they love with things as minor as this. Jesus Christ people. Then again, what can I really expect of RU-vid comments?
@@PuddleOfCats theyre not - you can hear your player saying the lines that go with "this way" and "booyah," but you could maybe say something along the lines of ptsd or actual physical trauma made them go mute
Marie mentions at the very beginning that 3 is just really shy and seems to near-inaudibly mumble their words so Marie has to relay them in their stead. I think it's a funny way around the fact 3 can obviously speak, but can' t have a canonical in-game voice.
To add my two cents regarding the lore, I personally love that they went the more predictable route of making Grizz an actual bear because it helps emphasize how wacky Splatoon as a franchise is. Honestly, Splatoon lore reminds me of how Kirby lore is presented. Through and through its a lighthearted, wacky adventure before hitting some of the darkest bits of lore it can without bumping the age rating like a semi-truck. But underneath all of the craziness there's some genuine heartfelt and depressing moments. Even if it's nonsensical you still feel grounded in reality because the emotions are real.
Yeah they had a whole game to set up the little seeds and hints towards the fact that Mr. Grizz is a bear. It's pretty obvious if you dive hard into the lore and all the elements of the game, but the average player probably didn't think too hard about it. For me it was never in question that Mr. Grizz would be a bear, but rather "What kind of fucked up bear are we going to see" and I got a great payoff. Giant fuzzy ooze horror Bear to me is quite different from "just a normal bear".
tbh I'm disappointed that people expect every game's story to entirely subvert expectations and obvious setup (and I blame a very specific, poorly written horror franchise for making people like this :] ). I'm glad Splatoon 3's villain was predictable. I'm Glad The MF Was Literally A Bear.
@@1unar_eclipse SPOILERS : If you haven't played the story mode and care about those don't read this comment. Not sure if you played the game or you're just saying that for the meme, but this literally happened. In the 3rd phase of his boss fight he says "No more kid gloves, it's Big Man time!" then proceeds to astral project onto the floor.
Can we all at least agree that the music for the Bear Reveal and the rocket fight are absolutely incredible? The fucked up Grizzco jingles are so great, that part of the salmon run soundtrack always deserved a little more spotlight
@@crystalwhisp It does slightly annoy me, but everyone can have their own opinion. Me personally: I don't like it when 'humans' are the bad guys in any fantasy or fiction story that does not have humans in it. But... come on... the character is called Mr. Grizz. And knowing it's nintendo, the chance was always big that Mr. Grizz would've been a bear
What I like about it is that they were like "there are signs in Arc Polaris warning against bears and bear footprints in the mud but that doesn't mean that the guy named Mr. Grizz is a BEAR" like LMAO the game was spelling it out for you so hard, but everyone upset by this was ignoring the literal writing on the wall in neon lights
honestly 😭😭 i don’t know how they could disregard obvious foreshadowing as “too predictable”. like yeah that’s what foreshadowing is!! it’d be way more out of left field and confusing for grizz to be Anything else with no prior evidence to back it up
@@syrentide agreed, but, you saying "that's literally what foreshadowing means" then proceeding to make an argument that could easily be replied to with "that's literally what too predictable means" is kind of ironic. Regardless that's an incredibly specific nitpick and mostly disregardable, but yeah I do agree.
I feel like not making him a bear would’ve been a weird move at this point just for the sake of being unexpected. Splatoon’s lore has always been governed by fish jokes, and bears do eat salmon so 🤷♂️
There's a theory I saw that Mr. Grizz USED to be a bear, but technically isn't anymore. As in, he used the Fuzzy Ooze on himself to the point where anything that he was is gone... ship of theseus type deal. His bones, his organs, everything was replaced by the ooze, which is why he can fall into it like Inklings do. And also how he can talk normally, and why he's shaped like that meme bear, and why his fuckin fur indents when you hit the spots and makes me feel uncomfortable.
Why does everyone assume that Grizz doesn’t have bones or organs anymore? His existence actually got me to question, pull back, and ultimately *stop* assuming that ink based lifeforms are physiologically/cellularly homogenous goop shapes and to actually admit that yeah they actually do have a defined biology. And as for why he can submerge in ink without shifting to a swim form, need I remind people about octodivers?
@@antonberkbigler5759 Because he can break his form and dissolve into ooze? Like Inklings? Who, need I remind you, CANONICALLY have no bones?! Octodivers don't have bones either
@@oranplan1630 we do not directly see his body being broken down into ooze, the animation you are referring to can just as easily be interpreted as him drawing up fuzzy ooze from beneath himself to engulf himself before diving. Also his dialogue towards Cuttlefish of “does your species even have bones?” can imply that he himself does have bones, however this is both circumstantial evidence at best, and dependent on NOA’s localization being accurate (they have proven themselves to be a poor source of accurate splatoon lore). Inklings/octolings are not the only modern marine creatures that can participate in ink sports or related combat activities, such as the Salmonids, a species that does have bones and can dive into ink in their base form. Leastways I assume they have bones because IRL salmon have bones.
[Spoilers, ofc.] The sheer amount of "PLEASE DON'T BE A BEAR" is easily the funniest part of this video, along with the immediate recognition of the hat and the utter glee over Smallfry's transformation. I think one of my favorite loredrops was the crystal substance: it explains perfectly how Inklings and Octolings can change their ink color (from muscular, electronic impulses), as well as being an explanation for how many species just spontaneously got sapient at once. I like to think that Mr. Grizz is very much like Judd-- same intelligence, same telepathy to communicate, same general-root of "cryo-sleep for 12000 years does weird things to animals". But he's also a massive bear-ooze amalgamation at this point which makes things really... work about him? He's so hellbent on restoring the past that he lost his original body, sort of how Commander Tartar lost its original purpose as time went on and it developed its motives. It's such an obvious take but I genuinely really like it, even if the story mode isn't perfect; there's something so delightfully absurd about Mr. Grizz that it fits in perfectly with all the other final bosses. Congratulations on being the first Inkling in space!
One the one hand I'm sympathetic that you didn't want mister Grizz to be an actual fucking bear but on the other hand, there was a lot of bear foreshadowing that would have to be retconned into misinformation and distractions. This is probably something that could never have been resolved to the full satisfaction of all parties, given the different levels of depth of reading into the Splatoon lore and the different desires of those doing the readings.
My current theory of who's running salmon is it's either marigold or lil jud. Marigolds voice is used at the reward redemption thing and the salmon run theme is in the food stand. Lil jud is wearing a head set now after you beat the story. Those are my candidates for who is running salmon run.
Little Judd as an opponent in Tableturf Battle also has a deck almost entirely composed of Salmon Run-themed cards. It's a little unassuming at first (cats could possibly enjoy salmon???) but in combination with the headset, I'm 100% certain it's Little Judd. After all, why else would Little Judd have that headset *specifically* after being the story?
Based on the final sunken scroll Marigolds totally a bunch of clones made to do mundane tasks/jobs, she likely isnt behind Grizzco now because shes too busy with whatever shes doing with those clones.
I love the contrast between Judd and Mr Grizz Both are cryo mammals that survived for 12000 years, and being cryo made them way more intelligent than the average member of their species However, while Mr Grizz developed his intelligence on those 12000 years and became desperate and crazy after seeing that the Earth how he knew it was gone. Judd didn't really care that much (probably being a cat helped IDK), he quickly adapted the cephalopod society and became a part of it But also, I think what helped Judd was: He was cryo under safer conditions than Mr Grizz, he was found by the Inklings who made him a part of them, and he also got a clone by the cryo machine in case he felt alone Alone, that's the important thing here, Judd was not alone, but Mr Grizz was, all of the tripulation on the Ark died, he was all alone on his thoughts for 12000 years, and when he woke up, he didi it on the midle of nowhere without anything familiar he could find, the only thing that was close home for him was Salmon, but these Salmons were heavily changed too Mr Grizz became desperate on his wish on getting the glory from the past again, he focused so much in the world that he wanted instead of accepting the new world he's living in on -Kinda like holding on to your own theories and beliefs instead of accepting how things where clearly meant to be, poetic-
a personal theory i have about the calamari inkantation is that it was actually a human song that was etched into the inklings through the crystals. hype to hear your insights!
Someone said the Calamari Inkantation chant in Wave Goodbye has clearer, more human sounding vocals, and now I can't unhear it. The idea of Calamari Inkantation being etched into the DNA of all sentient sea life (remember: it even plays in the Deep Sea Metro) bec it was a musical representation of humanity's last hopes is just... 👌
I absolutely ADORE this bit of lore theory! It just makes too much sense! It makes perfect sense for the Calimari Inkantation to be a remnant of the humans and part of the liquid crystals. The song is looked up to as a god-like figure and is etched into the DNA of all sea creatures. I don't know if the developers intended this all along, but I'm going to consider it canon because it's just too perfect to be a coincidence.
Fun Drinking Game: Take a shot every time Rassicas says "bear". You will be in a hospital within an hour. For a slightly easier challenge, take a shot every time Rassicas says "fucking bear".
People keep saying him being a bear was too predictable, but it never seriously crossed my mind because it made way more sense as a metaphor. Bears are the ones waiting for salmon runs in real life. Honestly Mr. Grizz being human felt more likely than him being a bear
I remember having a similar “wait why actual bear” reaction and thinking he was some Fuzzy Ooze monster myself, but the Log.exe actually made me come to terms with it and quite like it. I mean, Judd confirms that cryosleep is a real thing, so why wouldn’t they make a Noah’s Ark of Earth creatures with that tech? Personally I’m happy that he’s not an Inkling or Octoling, that ending just isn’t as interesting or morally grey as people make it out to be at all. I was banking on the Water Bear theory myself, because I saw somebody with the Mr. Grizz Badge and thought “Oh, I guess they WOULD stylize a tardigrade as a cube-shaped fat thing, right?” Plus, I just frankly love microbiology and thought it could expand on the “microorganisms in the air that eat ink” theory. Because if those things eat ink, and Inklings are MADE of ink… I mean it writes itself. My personal theory before playing the game was that he was a Salmonid, as not only do they not fear death and even honor it, but it’s the perfect cover for a takeover. As in, if Salmonids rush Splatsville, people are gonna wait for Grizzco to stop it- which of course they can intentionally fail at. There’s also my brief headcanon of “seals are close to bears, what if Grizz was a seal that adapted to go on land because of competition from marine life,” but that had too many holes for me to take it seriously. I guess an arctic animal WOULD make sense, considering Alterna’s snow and the fact that humans ravaged the ice caps… plus, grizzlies and polar bears are pretty close. Perhaps Grizz is a hybrid after the originals died out due to the warmer temperatures and their first objective was to recreate the specimens that were killed off due to human activity. TL;DR Mr. Grizz being a literal bear has grown on me because it’s so obvious that it kinda became unpredictable (I’m just relieved he wasn’t a human)
Tbh grizz being a human could have worked and been more interesting especially if the alterna logs were from his perspective giving them more of a purpose beyond exposition dumping Also o don’t like grizz as a bear because they mainly just failed to make it work. It was already a concept I wasn’t too keen on but they could have possibly made interesting if they did it right. But instead we get tar tar with a sob story that makes zero sense. Like why did they give a bear intelligence how could this bear read human language and understand their instructions and how did this bear do jack shit with no thumbs Also knowing everything about grizz kinda ruins his character as there is no longer this sense of mystery and intrigue he’s a big fat evil bear and that’s that.
Honestly I think for me the bear thing is fine because the ending seems to solidly refute the idea of bringing mammals back into the world of Splatoon. Like you've said before, the design of the series is unique because of it's avoidance of mammals and other animals humans generally find cute, and having an ending that treats mammals solely as an enemy felt like an affirmation from the developers that this is something about the series that is valuable. But that's more of a meta reading of the story mode, from a Lore perspective I'm good because they made sure to emphasize that Mr Grizz was the only mammal left besides the Judd's and so now that he's gone it's just back to them
Though it is predictable I don’t mind Mr grizz being a real bear! And being a real bear doesn’t undermined his character I actually think it makes it better! He was the last mammal (we know of ;) He was lonely so be developed the Ooze to bring back the mammal so he wouldn’t be alone! I honestly feel bad for him and I hope returns! Sorry you were disappointed by the ending- But it will be ok and we did get a lot of good lore out of it! Thing will rarely ever go in the way you imagine but that’s ok!
I think it kinda does tbh All of his mystery is gone and the moral complication of his and grizzco as a whole’s actions have been greatly simplified to just “goofy bear is cringe everyone else is fine” He’s also just kinda tar tar 2.0 bucks which is really lame and grizzco doesn’t even have that much to do with his plan like he could have just stolen these eggs from grizzco and it really wouldn’t have made a huge difference
I was rewatching some of your grizz co. related videos yesterday and just kept thinking how morbidly funny it was that literally everything you didn’t want came true lol
I knew seeing grizz as a bear was gonna make them flip. Also, you probably already noticed, but 1. the grizzco stature is replaced by a salmon biting a bear, & 2., little judd has a very suspicious ear piece afterward as well
@mlg noob sure but we see them going straight to RotM, and they run straight through that, so they'd miss the change because they never saw the before.
i just wanna know why ppl wanted him to not be a bear so bad?? ;w; all of the clues were there and not everything has to be ~complex~ and difficult to figure out to be interesting. i mean the journey to finding out /how/ he exists and /why/ he's doing what he's doing was still super interesting. plus i agree with the assessment that he's more of a sentient pile of fuzzy ooze than a like... actual bear at this point. he's clinging onto the past and his form, his alias & his plan all reveal this about him. there were like so many other surprises along the way to learning about him, i just couldn't find myself disappointed by the reveal or anything. anyway i am SUPER SAD i didn't know u were streaming this man... i woulda loved to hear yourf ull reaction goddamn x3
People say that they wanted it to not be the obvious thing, but why not? What's wrong with hinting at a character before revealing him? It should've been surprising too since mammals are supposed to be extinct, so it makes you question how a bear could still exist
The reasons I see are usually either A) they thought the twist was TOO obvious and that it HAD to be more complicated than that, or B) they took previous lore as an explicit confirmation that mammals are gone, so in their minds Mr. Grizz being a bear all along retcons or otherwise contradicts previously-established lore.
@Despair Media well said, I mean this is the same lore that has someone's fossil playing the Wii U and Tiny Cat Clones. Mr. Grizz as a bear is fine and funny.
I feel like Mr Grizz isn’t really a bear anymore and is just a husk of what he once was. I mean he’s able to survive without oxygen and melt into the floor. He’s not really a mammal anymore
I hate when people think being able to put the clues together to decipher future plot developments is bad, like, they created a consistent world with a bunch of hints to Mr. Grizz' nature and relationship with the past, why is that bad?
Because they thought the twist was too simple/obvious, and that therefore there MUST be more to it than just "All the hints about him being a literal bear are correct"
They wanted Grizz to be like "*holds up spork* my name is grizz but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!!" and just. Not make sense. Because somehow the events of Splatoon 3 following logically from things in Splatoon 2 is bad
Splatoon 3: Rassicas hears Grizz sound font and starts slowly descending into madness. Also, "Here it is, here's the Grizzco lore I waited 5 years for" was the most relived and defeated thing I've heard
Splatoon fans when ocram's razor is in play But yes the final boss, I quite liked it. The final boss wanting a return to mammals and yet sacrificing everything and loosing mammal status and becoming closer to an inkling/octoling than a mammal, heck even the fuzzed creatures are not mammals they're just, octolings and inklings with fur. Just, a character who could only wish for nostalgia never being able to revive "the good old days" in any proper way. I mean in the end he's like, "yeah, things die, things change, we can't ever go back no matter how much we wish to. the only thing we can do is move on and make more beautiful things" Maybe the fuzzy ooze forces one to grow bones and mammal like reproduction but we don't see blobs of bones in the ooze so
The scene where deep cut shows up right after the Octavio fight is a bit confusing, but I think the context of it is that they are looking down the hole and grinning because it’s a new place to loot for treasure, and not because they caused the cave in
Nobody seemed to notice but once the zapfish was returned it had I single little hair on its head Idk if it's just a throwaway gag but either way its there
It's so weird how non-ink based species interact with inkling/octoling ink. Master Mega never gets an explanation on how ink affects it other than getting stunned.
There’s only a few direct things pointing to it but I theorize that all beings, or at least semi-people type beings of the splatoon world are ink based, not just the cephalopods. Splatoon 3 has solidified that for me, both with how ink based life came into existence and that categorically non-ink based life can more or less easily become ink based.
The fact that is was so predictable is what made it such an unpredictable answer! We all gave splatoon way too much credit for creating a character called Mr.grizz and expecting them to not make it a bear!
To tldr someone's video, Mr grizz was a bear, but with how much he did with fuzzy Ooze, he basically lost what made him a mammal, the fuzzy Ooze itself is just flesh and fur
I will say while I get the issues I do legitimately think a lot of problems with the story just come from psyching oneself up about it not being like it ended up. I felt him being a space bear was one of the better/more interesting parts of this story if anything, but I am absolutely glad there were no "fishlings" of any kind. There's no way Nintendo would fuck up the art direction like that
im so fucking happy hes a bear bc i honestly didnt expect it bc it was predictable, and that i didnt want him to be an inkling or some kind of fishy fellow. besides he isnt even a bear anymore now, just a ball of gunky ooze covered in hair. like some bloated stinking carcass of what once was a bear. its cool, i dig it and if he wasnt a bear, it wouldve just retconned too much lore. at the end of the day even thought its dark, splatoon is still pretty dang silly!
but yeah, guess you gotta just grin and bear it. thank god fanon exists, and people have made so many aus of mr grizz not being a bear, my favorite being this one fan design where he looks like the sea bear from spongebob lmfao
I don’t think that Mr. Grizz even qualifies as a “bear” anymore. He has mixed himself with so much of the liquid crystal material that he has lost almost all of what makes him a mammal. His body is filled with ooze and fuzzballs, and he can submerge into ink and has mutated to an abnormal size. This is what I like about what Nintendo did with Mr. Grizz, and I personally think it’s the perfect characterization of hopelessness, distortion, and tragedy.
For your question on how Mr. Grizz could swim in ink/fuzzy ooze, it’s actually hinted at the moment he “borrowed” Cuttlefish’s brain and wisdom. From what I’m guessing he somehow through golden egg infused technology, he absorbed some of an inklings latent ink swimming capabilities, which is why he was able to move in the ink in his boss, even if it’s at a much slower rate. It would explain why he captured Cuttlefish specifically as he mentions needing the wisdom of the ages. Edit: also wanted to add that most likely the ingredients to make Fuzzy Ooze involve his blood/fur, an Inkling/Octoling Brain, and Golden Eggs. This would explain why it effects Inklings and Octolings so heavily by the Ooze. Plus with those three ingredients it keeps up with the 3 Theming. It would also explain why there’s a mummified Inkling in a Sunken Scroll and how Grizz was able to mummify Cuttlefish instantly, he mostly likely read and found a way to dehydrate and remove the brain of an Inkling to create the ooze. It’d also explain why he’s so goopy himself since he probably just ingested a mix of inkling ink and golden eggs and mixed it within his body, which explains his constant size changing and his ink swimming.
I think you should watch “In defense of Mr. Grizz” by Sir Dame Sander. I think they genuinely make some interesting/unique points. Its not going to completely change your mind or anything-nor should it (a lot of your criticisms are valid)-but I think you’ll also be able to appreciate what they did in other aspects about Mr. Grizz
i did see that! i liked the 'ship of theseus' way of thinking about grizz. even if i can live with bear grizz, i still have my gripes with the execution of it all. honestly at this point i have issues with other aspects of the story beyond the bear thing that i feel like were not satisfyingly expanded on. still just felt like it fell apart at the end.
@@rassicas Thats great to hear! And yeah, I definitely still have my gripes too about some stuff like “why do we choose to continue working for Grizz Co?”
@Despair Media tbh I really hate how they went and “both sided” the issue of corporations exploiting less developed peoples for personal gain. It just feels like the house elves from Harry Potter and it’s not like having the inklings do this one evil thing makes them all maniacal mustache twirling bad guys as this happens a lot in our world where good people allow or even support oppression because they either have no other options or simply don’t look into it enough
So like, about Mr. Grizz I get that people didn’t want him to actually be a bear, and while the lore of Splatoon is super fucked up and dark, there’s something you have to remember. Splatoon is, at its core, a Nintendo IP marketed towards young children. Mr. Grizz was always going to be a bear.
Splatoon has always been a silly series. While it *can* be serious and filled with lore, that is not the permanent rule whatsoever. It rarely takes itself seriously, and many things are there to just give us a good laugh.
It's funny that Log006 started talking about the progenitor of the modern-day Inkling, and I was kinda hoping that's what the final boss would turn out to be. Might as well have been a red herring. I do kinda wish they'd lean more into Grizz being a mammaling. Him hiding in his fur-ink was good, but make the similarities between him and inklings uncanny.
That's because he isn't a bear anymore, his need to bring mammalians back turned him into a monster that isn't even a bear anymore, just a pile of melting furry ink
@@Lucassaur0 I mean I think it'd be cool if he was, like, roughly inkling height and shape, but with bear ears and those same creepy eyes. Then turn him into the bear kaiju for the fight. That way you get to have parallels between the heroes and the villain, you tie it back to the lore about the humans being replaced by animal life, and you still get a giant salmon fighting a bear.
i really didn't understand the point of the prophet being mentioned in log006. it sounded like he was going to be important and briefly thought mr grizz was somehow that prophet but he's just a mention? feels like an anti-chekhov to me
@@neonskylite2242 It's just describing how the Inklings developed their own culture and evolved into what they are today; that prophet guy is the first "modern" Inkling.
I mean, Rassicas, you are kind of right when you're talking during the credits. He is basically a sentient pile of ooze at this point. One that tries to hold onto something of his original form but ultimately he's as much ooze as he is anything else. I will say I understand the want for him to be more, in the sense of being something completely different than what he is, but he also isn't JUST that and his motivations when taken into context of everything, the ooze, the liquid crystal, etc, is honestly both understandable and low-key kinda horrifying, even if it's mostly shown in a PG way cause of that rating. Also, come on, the corporate-speak jokes are great, can't we all just appreciate that?
After all this waiting, we were finally paid in the form of -big man- new lore and an explanation as to how the Inklings and Octolings came about! Oh and the motion controls are nicer ig
Man I know a lot of people were upset with Mr Grizz being a bear, and I will agree that in some aspects the explanation for him having been a bear was kind of weak, I still think it makes sense in this dumb squid world. Both Judd and Mr Grizz were cryogenically frozen for the longest fucking time, and almost everybody is fine with that explanation with Judd, but don’t really like it when applied to Mr Grizz? At least that’s what I can infer from a lot of peoples reactions. And even with some of the weaker aspects of Mr Grizz’s backstory, like how he can make fuzzy ooze (imo it’s a little weak), it still fits in with the alterna logs, that being the crystals that evolved the squids and octos. Personally, I was meh about Mr Grizz being a bear at first, but when I started thinking about it, I don’t think it’s the worst outcome, I quite like it.
Rambly unscripted rassicas is honestly really fun. I wouldn't mind seeing more unscripted content in the future, though I get that with your content's focus, splatoon lore, that probably isn't easy to do.
Nintendo:"Were going to setup a climactic reveal for a character and present it straight. Dropping lore hints and easter eggs everywhere in plain sight supporting it 100% along the way so your theory crafting is rewarded properly!" Rassicas:"WHAT? WHY?"
The problem is that Bear grizz was so predictable I remember Rassicas saying this If you gave someone who had no knowledge of splatoon a very basic rundown like ‘it’s a world populated by sentient sea creatures such as squids, octopi, various fish and what not’ and then showed them Mr grizz and asked what they think he is they would say ‘a bear’ and that’s the issue it was so predictable and obvious that someone who had no knowledge of splatoon could have guessed it with just a glance
@@darkeye457 If that was the point they wouldn’t have played it like this huge mystery. They would kinda play it off like a joke and even then playing you main antagonist off as a joke is never a good idea
Remember Callie being a villain in Splatoon 2? They left that twist extremely obvious since before that game came out With Mr Grizz they did a little more mistery, but they left all the clues really clear, the most clear one being Polaris Ark The point is, Splatoon doesn't reallu saved much mistery, I mean, is a game where octopi and squids fight eachother with ink, has a cat with an arrow shaped tail as a game referi, the main villain from the past games is a DJ Samurai Octopus, and the most serious this franchise has gotten involves an old sentient telephone and a giant blender This franchise is just wacky, Mr Grizz being a Bear is basically the devs telling us to chill, this is a funny wacky E rated franchise not rocket science Wouldn't be surprised if the DLC goes the same way too
@@darkeye457 with Callie they didn’t have a giant sign in the plaza that basically said “callie is evil” the most convincing evidence was the single player poster but even then it was a vague silhouette Also why can’t splatoon take itself seriously? It’s clear the devs want to take it seriously especially with OE, why should it just be goofy nonsense?
I don't know if Mr Grizz being an inkling would be as epic or intimidating, I think the unexpected twist wouldn't be worth sacrificing the climactic ending but that's just my opinion. Edit: also the Log.exe explains Mr Grizz pretty well.
He’s not really a bear anymore, if you think about it. He can breathe in space, he can melt into fuzzy ooze. He’s more like just a huge pile of fuzzy ooze.
Rass *RETURNS* The pure joy in their voice is just so wonderful. Finished the story mode on day 2, and reliving it watching the same gears turn and same hype/funny moment reactions is just AAAAAAAAA
Ok but I really don’t get why so many people were adverse to Grizz being a bear. Not as in that I didn’t get that a lot of people thought that, I mean that I just don’t get the severity. Both in how hard they shut down on theories about it pre splat 3 announcement, and then how much pain they legitimately were in afterwards when it was even just a firmer possibility. Because like, why would we be expecting anything else from this franchise? You’re kinda missing the forest for the trees when you take a purely thermian approach when theorizing here.
Probably the assumption that A) all mammals bar the Judds were extinct, period, and B) they thought it was too obvious of an answer and that there HAD to be more to it.
@@F1areon just gonna get some counter arguments out the gate before the majority of what I wanna talk about. A) the existence of Judd sets precedence for the existence of cryogenically preserved mammals from species that are otherwise extinct, ergo it’d be completely probable for other such mammals to be around somewhere. This was compounded by the existence of Ark Polaris, which between it’s name, active bear warning sign, and bear paw print practically all but confirmed this to be the case. B) that’s on them lol, sometimes things are obvious and that’s not a bad thing. To let notions like this impact your theory making is a bad habit and can lead to biased conclusion seeking. But just let me be clear that my above comment was in no way about people being against the bear theory itself, or even just that they believed something else and didn’t care. Until it actually happened it could’ve gone either way, the sheer obviousness we see from retrospect could’ve as easily been a red herring. What I’m specifically talking about how laser focused they were on the “grizz is a mammalian bear” theory being wrong to the point that they were practically in physical pain at not only Grizz’s reveal, but the return of the mammalians trailer making the mere possibility shoot up in likelihood. Rassicas had *multiple* times stated that they’d kill themselves if Grizz turned out to be an actual bear. That’s an unhealthy level of care/commitment/investment into this. That’s an *incongrous* amount of personal stake in this to me. It makes me question not just why the fuck does it matter this much to people, but rather *how* the fuck does it matter so much to people? How does it matter *this much* to people? I’d be more understanding of this amount of outrage if it was about something on the level of rose quartz being pink diamond, but for Grizz being a bear? It’s madness to me, people were acting like it would’ve absolutely shattered the world of splatoon to them, would’ve made them ragequit the series entirely if not life itself. It boggles me how someone could get so caught up in it. Even Rassicas’s hate of salmonlings makes more sense to me, since they’ve said their reasons and I am agreeable to them even if I personally like salmonlings. That makes sense, even if the intensity doesn’t. But the bear stuff? Incomprehensible to me why they’re so up in arms about it. *That* doesn’t make sense. I’m not sure what all their reasons are, so I physically can’t work through them, but I’m fairly certain a reason either Rassicas or the public at large had was that it’d undercut Judd’s importance? And I don’t think Grizz’s existence undercuts Judd all that much, and even if it did I don’t think that’d be all that big of a deal. Judd being a mammal is like the least interesting part of his character, if only because of how batshit insane (positive) his lore is. He’s immortal, he’s had a key role in inkling society for the past two thousand years, he speaks through telepathy, those facts are public knowledge. That’s wack. In a good way. And him being the only mammal already doesn’t matter because of lil Judd. So that’s moot. Or how absolutely him being a bear devalues the story and lore because it’s silly or stupid. Bro you^ are playing squid games, you should stop caring so much about it being grounded if it lets you fly. ^: usage of the word ‘you’ here denotes the supposed anti-bear people, not any specific reader of this comment.
@@antonberkbigler5759 I agree with all the stuff you said too, but I think for a lot of folks they interpreted the lore as an outright confirmation of "ALL mammals (bar the Judds) are gone, period, end of story", so Mr. Grizz popping up and turning out to be a mammal all along would, in their minds, be contradicting the previously-established backstory of the Splatoon world. (But yeah, keeping in mind all the Ark Polaris stuff is like... if Grizz WASN'T actually a bear then what's the point of the bear signs and paw prints? Red herring??) Also I'm 99.99999999...% sure Rassicas complaining about Grizz potentially being a bear is just them exaggerating for humor; like yeah they're invested in the Splatoon lore but not THAT invested. :P
@@F1areon I mean yeah they were dramatizing their dislike of Grizz being a bear for comedic effect, but not by all that much. Like a depressed person making self deprecating jokes.
For what it's worth, Splatoon has a really great story line for a series that's just winging it. I've seen many do much worse, especially when grown adults are not the main target audience... Like, they are making things up as they go at the end of the day. It can't possibly become some masterpiece in writing if things aren't extensively planned out in advance because of Final Splatfests, and if there isn't a finite amount of planned sequels before the Splatoon story mode just straight up dies. The Direct claimed Return of the Mammalians is already the last of the "saga". For me, this means this was a send-off to the DJ Octavio arc. He's lost his entire Octarian army, and joined the New New Squidbeak Splatoon, even if unofficially. Whatever goes on for the DLC and later games will likely involve a brand new boss, or character arc. As far as I'm concerned, I really wanted Octavio's character to be properly resolved. His character feels like it hasn't been done justice. How did he survive his initial encounter with the Fuzzy Ooze? And from his established motivations, none of the issues Octarian society was facing have been addressed, the Great Turf War, both its causes and its consequences were completely ignored by Inklings and Octolings alike like it never happened or had any reason to happen, even though the sea levels are supposed to be still rising, and Salmonids are only making things more difficult for Inklings and Octarians on the surface, not easier. Their biggest problems are compounding. There's also the idea that the Great Zapfish is getting smaller every game, and will potentially "run out", putting everyone in danger. I hope they don't forget about DJ Octavio and that we can see him develop better, this time as an ally. Also because I want more Turquoise October and DJ Octavio tracks. They're sick AF
I love how the whole playthrough is just rassicas inhaling MASSIVE amounts of copium and sounding progressively more distraught as the reveal of Mr. Grizz was getting closer
My personal theory for why Mr Grizz could melt into the fuzzy ooze is that the actual bear Grizz died a while ago, but the ooze just started filling inside him and replacing his insides, though preserving his mind (the ooze is made with the liquid crystals, which reflect minds). Because of this, he's essentially just a bear pelt filled with that gross ooze.
LMAO when you said Team Rocket at the Deep Cut intro scene. I was definitely waiting for your reaction to the Alterna Logs but after seeing the preview of your reaction to Mr. Grizz, the full thing was just golden.
Honestly my favorite part of story mode here was that they finally caved and gave us a Mario Sunshine reference in the form of Big Man being the Phantamanta in Sirena Beach. Now if only they’d give me Mario’s shirt from that game.
Was really fun to watch for the first half. Second half was just.... way too damned invested I in Grizz not being a bear. I've never seen anyone have even close to this reaction to the bear thing, much less it sour the whole game for them like this.
Watching this whole thing felt like I was replaying the mode again for the first time, screaming, swearing, noises and all. This was a delight to watch (even if the ending was predictable)
The ending of Splat 3 is the cheesiest, most cliche fucking thing and I love it so much. Looking forward to smthn a little more serious for the DLC/next game but this was still a lot of fun.
