India-China Rivalry And Why It’s Not Just About A Disputed Border |  

There is no rivalry between China and IIndia, it is all in India's mind.

Indian is not qualified at moment for a rivalry with China. Being a rivarlry needs economic power and military capabilities.

The saying “…there’s no cure for jealousy…”. So true!

India is trying too hard to present itself as an alternative in a pretentious competition with China. Too bad. Just couldn’t live up to the game.

In your own word. The India boarder is according to British colonial history. Why should China care about British colonial boarder?

India-China rivalry? Huawei right now is making 5 nm semiconductor chips, while India can only make 5mm potato chips.

There's no India China rivalry bcos India is too far behind China in almost every sphere of development.

India-China rivalry? Nonsense. Why are Indians obsessed with talking about the "India-China rivalry?" From the Chinese perspective: China's rivalry is not with India, China's rivalry is with the US. China and India are great civilizations and belong to the Global South of anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism camps. Working out our differences and being good neighbors is in both countries' best interests. 😛

No one talks about India in China, but India talks about China all the time, beating China or catching up with China or leading China for decades. LOL.

There is no one more obsessed with the Chinese than the Indians. Just about every Indian RU-vidr talks about the Chinese. As an American, it’s beginning to look silly. I have watched vlog travelers to China and to India…there is no competition. Having said that, I do want the Indians to live a more prosperous life.

John Mearschimer: The 3 Superpowers are US, China, Russia Palki: 👿 Palki: What about India Mearschimer : Oh... Cool down Palki.... India is an aspiring Superpower...

On a lighter note, nice smile by Professor Ganguly :) Keep smiling!!

India-China rivalry only been talked by Indian and Indian media only, China never, because China never see India as their competitor, thats the ugly truth.

There's no rivalry when India isn't even a credible competitor. The Chinese don't even pay attention to India and neither does the rest of the world. 😂

India's first peaceful debate on the Internet

One speaker said it correctly. A real concern is that India continues the approach and mindset of British colonial power. Looking at what India has been doing since its independence, it annexed a small state (Sikkim) and has been bullying all neighbors, meddling internal affairs of Bhutan and Nepal, occupying the land that Britain invaded and conquered from small kingdoms and countries, fighting wars with China and Pakistan. Yet, India tells others that it wants to be a world leader. People India needs to think really hard on what roles India wants to play on the world stage. For the boarder disputes with China, British colonial power invaded China, Chinese government at the time rejected the British occupation of southern Tibet and other lands, and reaffirmed Chinese claims after WWII in 1945 and published the official map of China in 1947 when India was not yet an independent nation. India today still occupies the lands that British colonialism took illegally. De-colonizing is a right thing that India should and must do and respects the neighbors for the world peace and Indian prosperity.

US China rivalry can be illustrated in Olympic games. Where India stand in this competition.

For friends in India, China started to open and reform in 1978. At that time Chinese per capita was 5 cents a day while India's was on $2 a day. And now China is $12000 a year. And China these days is totally and completely preoccupied with the goal to attain $20000 by 2030 and $30000-40000 by 2040, with the overall view to achieve $50000-60000 by 2049. And anything else will be by the way, to facilitate this goal to attain Developed status by 2049. It took China 8 very painful years to build the Nanjing Yangtze River bridge in 1968. But now, China leads the world by far on infrastructures. And no one is even close these days. Now China pioneers on 4th generation nuclear power plants, as well as the first nuke powered container ship. On defence, when India deployed 200000 troops on the border south of the lake few years ago, China only stationed 2-3 border brigades. A leader has to have the ability to deescalate and defuse tensions and hostilities when needed while being prepared to respond appropriately. These days the biggest dilemma of US defence specialists is not the aircraft carrier killers or the stealth nuke powered submarines. They are scratching their heads because a war against China will abruptly end after few weeks if very lucky. Or otherwise only days when supply runs out. Specialists in UK concur on the same conclusion. According to US experts China is building 200 times more navy vessels than the US every year right now. And if the US wishes, China can oblige to increase these to 500-1000 times. China is most definitely racing against China only. There is no one else, even close.

Just go and visit a big city in China, and you will know how far back is India. Just go.

Don't compete with China, they are hundreds of years ahead of India.

There is no rivalry, China is leagues ahead. You guys just taking nothing more.

This was an incredibly informative session by a panel of subject matter experts. Thank you so much to Nitin Gokhale and StratNewsGlobal for bringing to us such educative sessions. I'm so glad there is a channel like SNG out there with a clear objective of bringing India-First issues to its audience, in a non-partisan manner, unlike the other channel run by a veteran journalist with a bunch of school-girl-like amateurs and seems to be very conflicted by a woke, leftist agenda.

Can you imagine the power of combining the brainpower of these two great eastern civilizations

Dear Indian friends! The Chinese friends in my social group in China, Asia, and the United States have never mentioned or considered India as a rival in their conversations. The only thing I have heard is that the Chinese can not trust India in business engagement…….. It has been a terrible experience for many people to conduct business in India.

Prof Sumit is my ideal, love and respect from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Pakistan ❤

India-China Rivalry??? since when was India a rival to China? India is not even near the same league as China. Using boxing analogy China is a super heavy weigh, India is just a light feather weight, it should be compared to Pakistan and Bangladesh

Many people see US-India relations 'improvement' as a direct result of the US wanting to use India as a nuisance (balance some say) to China's obviously disconcerting (to US) rising comprehensive national power. The US and the west in general more or less tolerates India just for that. It's not a sudden show of love for Indians. How long will that last?

Funny, in chinese social medias , public or private, nobody talk about rivalry with India. China loves USA 😊

Why is India/Indians so obsessed with China?????😅😅😅

🇮🇳👍 Gokhale sir, excellent program presented by you all 🇮🇳👍

And these type rivalries only makes enemies happy.

Does India recognize Taiwan as an independent state?

We are not in a "rivalry", you dont qualify as an "opponent" my dude.

The two gentlemen and the host missed a bigger picture of a new global order emerging and growing fast: BRICS. ❤

Indians are very good in talking. Chinese are very good in doing.

The professor is comparing Taiwan vs China as SK, or JPN vs China. Taiwan is province of China, whereas SK and/JPN is a different sovereign state....

A very important discussion on the Sino Indian rivalry & the US Indo Pacific cooperation by 2 very important persons who have written books on the Subject

Thanks

Splendid discussion sir.🎉

India IS continuing with the British colonial legacy. Even then China has made concessions to swap land and call an end to the border dispute, but India wants to keep it all, it is beyond help.

China's land is 3 times of India, China's population similar to India, 40 years ago, the GDP of both nations were comparable, now Chinese GDP 6 times of India. . India should move on with actions instead of talking, and compare to Bangladesh, Pakistan, Bazil..instead of China.

Excellent programme. Keep up the good work on educating us on the Indian perspective of the new multipolar world order that is emerging

What happened to video on Solar Industries??

Excellent👍👍

No rivalry and no competition India is so far far way way behind China in everything Be it economy, military, science & technology, Space, EV, AI, Quantum computer, sports, etc.... etc..... India imports 95% of its weapons, the largest arms importer, China has athe largest manufacturing industry and produce its own military weapons, submarine, aircraft carrier, destroyers, tanks, artillery, 6G fighter jets, etc... etc.... How to rival China ??

Forty years ago China and India stood at same starting point . Now, China ' economy size is almost six times of India '. So, it is very understandable, that India really have jealousy feeling towards China.

China will need India to add $10000 to per capita, from $20000-40000 to $30000-50000. And by doing so, adding $10000 to India's per capita. Meanwhile, China is focusing on Africa to add $10000 to per capita. And hopefully, adding $10000 to Africa's per capita.

China believes that for India to be truly independent there needs to be a civil revolution and political blood needs to be shed. This will define what India is including its character language, culture etc. From that a new social contract would emerge between the Indian people and its rulers. Similar to the Chinese revolution which replaced monarchy with Communism. Only then will China accept India's role in the Global world order. Till then they will view India as a continuation of the British Empire. The above is from articles in the Global Times.

India -China rivalry? Jaishankar has made it clear there is no such question. Smaller economy cannot take on a bigger economy even in the crucial field of defense of one's territorial integrity. He had made this clear in his media interview sometime ago. Many would tend to agree with him from a pure pragmatic rationalistic point of view. In fact some would more then agree. Hence Modi's abject surrender, "Koi Ghusa Nhi ". But his media team is on a war footing elsewhere. A propaganda of impending war with China doesn't stop. This is however enough to fool foolish people. To be someone's rival one has to pass a few tests. Modi has backed out.

A sober and constructive analysis.

Great

Thanks!

Good debate

There is no talk of rivalry with India on China side. Only India keeps harping on rivalry with China. Why, India? It's not a Bollywood movie where such shenanigans can be swept under carpet. The entire world is laughing at such shenanigans.

Very well informed conversation. Thanks to Prof Ganguli and General Sengupta sharing their research and experiences respectively. Especially, next decade will be quite crucial for India to consolidate both on economy and militarily to squarely meet the China challenge. Jai Hind

India is comfortable and very good at serving the Anglo Saxons. They should stick to that.

It honestly seems like it would take a century at the very least for India to come close to anything comparable to China right now. That's how far behind it is. Not trying to dunk on Indians. But there is not even a competition. This whole 'rivalry' talk is just make-pretend at this point.

India's role in Asia every since it got its independence from the British has historically been a bully, ask Sikkim , Nepal, Sirilanka and Maldives. India has tbe wet dream of imaging itself as the heir of the British Empire😅 I would advise indians to start with somethinv more practical , for example stop rapping foriegn tourits ... Oh, is that too hard ?

Just listen or watch the interview with john mearsheimer with this very jealous interviewer palki, u will get the most honest and soul crushing answers. The indians might not like the answers, and the truth hurt bad but thats the truth nothing butbthe whole truth!!😂😂

OMG, he even lists India as one of the 3 global powers besides USA and China.....🤣😂

What rivalry?

Nice views

You guys are not even in the same league. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

*There's something missing with India, but there is a simple answer: Do the right thing!* That never seems to cross any of your minds! Also India needs to know its place! China never pretended to be someone they aren't, they worked hard until they got there! *India assumes potential is reality! India is not a rival to China, India is nothing compared to China.*

L'Inde ne fait pas le poids face à la puissance du Dragon qu'est la Chine, c'est fou comme les indiens aiment à se comparer à la Chine 🤣

China could subdue other nations but not India & that changed the world: (1)When Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo was awarded Nobel Prize in 2010 in Norway, China banned imports of Norwegian salmon fish, Norway’s major export & Norway pleaded helplessness. (2) In 2012, China took control of Vietnam’s Paracel Islands & Vietnam could only protest, (3) In 2012, China refused to vacate Philippines' Scarborough shoal island violating an agreement negotiated by Obama & Obama abandoned the US Security Treaty Partner Philippines. (4) In 2013 China established “East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone” over Japan’s Senkaku island & Japan only protested. (5)That encouraged China to stealthily occupy Spratly Islands in April, 2015 to get control of strategic Indo-Pacific oceanic passage, (6) Instead of demanding China's withdrawal, Xi Jinping was given welcome visit to White House where on Sept 25, 2015 he promised not to militarize illegally annexed Spratly Islands.! Xi then militarized them within 2 yrs. (7) On the Afghan front, China bled US & Nato in blood & treasure through its proxy Pakistan, got strategic CPEC access to Indian Ocean & finally handed them humiliating Afghan expulsion. (8) China clandestinely helped N. Korea get nuclear-missile capability to hit US mainland converting it into successful Cuba of 1962. (A) No body could physically block the belligerent Communist except India. In 2017, when China illegally entered Doklam to threaten India’s North-East. It was physical blockage of Chinese Communist Army by Indian Army plus rise of Indian people to boycott Chinese goods which made 400 Chinese Managers jobless with 30% drop in VIVO & OPPO sales within 2 weeks, that alarmed nervous China. Trump finally took hint & in 2018 put 25% tariffs on 6,800 Chinese goods worth whopping $250Bn & sent his Pacific fleet to physically challenge belligerent Communist in the SCS. (B) Again when India was under Covid-19 lock down from April 2020, Xi thinking Coronavirus highly contagious, non-treatable & very fatal causing Wuhan-type economic standstill invaded Ladakh. Again rapid blockage of Communist Army by Indian Army despite raging pandemic put spanners in Xi Jinping’s dream of having garden walk into PoK to secure CPEC. US realized importance of India & upgraded QUAD. India earned its place. Two QUAD countries Australia &Japan are linked through bilateral security treaties with the US. India stands out as an independent nuclear weapons power with large military that does not need the US treaty of mutual defense but can strengthen QUAD both in Indo-Pacific ocean region & by pinning down Communist army along entire 3,500km long Indo-Tibetan border.

India should compare with other poor countries, not with the richest country of the world, the PRC.

Why are we suddenly seeing so many of this you tube video on India and China rivalry....? Who are the ones trying to exploit this matter?

Not many people in china have anti-india feelings. Why so many Indians have anti-china feelings, and very emotional?

A recording with Prof Sumit Ganguly (US) recently with Bharat Rakshak. Dipankar

I see USA India rivalry down the road.

India and china rivalry is basically over border issues and other reasons are secondary

The ideology the path and the norms between China and India are two very different. In that note india should not be naive to be friend with Chine just for mere short term interest, which unfortunately Nepal is heading into.

Request u to do program with Mr. Bharat karnad.. so everyone able to knw the truth...

The isolationist streak in the American establishment is the biggest point of concern as on today's world order...

This was a fascinating discussion that included 2 SME experts.

For friends in India, China is not even racing against the US. China is now so far ahead of the US, China is racing against the China of yesterday. The US is so desperate and frustrated that it is too late and the US has simply given up to race. If India is still keen to race ahead, then perhaps the US can still serve as a nice and easy target to work on.

In every expect except for population, India is nowhere comparable to China.

It is sad that India and China, these 2 great Asian civilizations can’t strive for cooperation and harmony and symbolic relationship. Look at the mutual benefits with China and Russia. Cooperation. Can USA be trusted

Bade shandar conversation, mere favourite subject India China statgic relation. Mister Ganguly puchna tha ki ab koi" Dragon fire"likh sakta hai ki nahin ?

Both could not compare to Carl Zha

Why India stoking about 0:17 Taiwan issue? Join QUAD? Jealousy is the crux of the matter vis-à-vis China!

Spice Road VS Silk Road

There is no rivalry between India and China. China is light years ahead of India. There is absolutely no rivalry

Indian like to live in the world of Bollywood even in real life. They pscyhe themselves into believing everything that fit into their liking and ego, instead of facing up to the truth. Recently alot of Indian hype of having surpasses China in population and having received more western-led foreign investment. The point is that being No. 1 in population or having large FDI doesn't simply make one a superpower. The barren fact and reality of India currently, India is at least 15 to 20 years behind China that is barring any more advancement by China. Truth is sometimes painful and fact is more unbelievable than fiction for some people.😩☹️😮‍💨

Another feel good program for Indian viewers... The only country in the world that's exceptional in bragging and talking big, but without substance!!! China builds world class infrastructures, while India has yet to solve its slums, human rights, and toilets problems until today!

It is really hard for new comers to become rich because old richers always push down new comers . Outside rich western countries, only a few East Asia Countries manage to become Industrialized throughout the combination of hard work, catching opportunities, and good strategies during 40 years opportunistic window ( 1970-2010). Now, it become even more difficult for a developing country to become rich.

India is a great nation, it has a rich history and a multitude of positive attributes. Great as it is, India is not a rival to China, at least not now or in the near future. Virtually all available statistics (UN, World Bank, IMF, WTO etc.) points to a substantial gap between the two nations. Surely, these "experts" must be aware of that. India's strategy then is to use China for its relevance. And in so doing, India has displayed an unhealthy obsession with China, as seen in its media and in its politics. China, on the other hand, views India with concern. A "concern" because India may end up being used by the other powers to its detriment.

India? What’s that?

The next book: The Bollywood and Hollywood Rivalry ... joke aside, what can India do to win? Be the hatchman of the Americans to launch a border war with China? In that regard, I think we all know how the "Ulkraine Russian Rivalry" went down ...

JP Morgan,( bot Captain Norgan) working towards a Global Indian Bond not merely entertaining India in an Index

India must learn to keep clean in the whole country including clean water before understanding china. Also why the toilets are never enough ? Will india spend 500 billion dollars on indian new infrastructures and raise the salaries of their workers ?

“To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous but to be a friend could be fatal” : Henry Kissinger.

Let's not adapt the zero sum game of the West. India and China were wealthy nations of the olds without having to fight each other. A stable India means a peaceful neighborhood for China. And a stable China also means a peaceful neighborhood for India. From a Chinese, my best wishes to India and may you continue to prosper. And remember this adage. "To be an enemy of American can be dangers, but to be a friend is fatal."

The Chinese and Indians are equally talented people. The problem is that India's way forward is hobbled by its deeply embedded caste system. In a way, the fierce inner conflict within China that culminated in the triumph of Mao, followed by Deng's reforms, were an excellent preparation for their triumphant rise as the peer rival of the US in economic terms.

India - China border dispute is a gift from British imperialists. They knowingly included much of Chinese territories within India without any discussion with the Chinese. The border dispute is serving their interest. The USA is desperately trying to halt China's rise by cutting their market access. Huawei is one case, others are Chinese EVs, photovoltic cells etc. China will definitely surpass USA GDP but it will be delayed due to various sanctions and trecherous behaviours. It is easy for the USA to romp home India exploiting border disputes. This is all happening failing to compete with the Chinese technological progress through innovations.

china & India should work together against others

India's economy is 1/5 that of China- hardly a cmpetitor to China. Will the US support India in a China-India war? Most definitely- the US will provide just enough supportto stop India from losing. India's best option is to negotiate the border issue and get on with building its economy. Otherwise it will be another two generation of low growth.

Iron sharpen Iron, so this rivalry is good for ASIA as long as the India is wise enough not to become a stooge of Western imperialism. Both nations are great ancient civilizations that has no historical conflicts until the British threw a spanner into their relationship!

Jealousy......