Indiana Jones 5 ATTACKS FANS Complaints are DIVISIVE 

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny isn't a topic I had planned to talk about again, but the Director James Mangold put an end to that. Coming out and calling people divisive, implying they're making up their opinions just to lie about how they felt about the movie is the height of arrogance. Genuinely thinking everyone loves the movie, they're just lying to you about it, or too thick to understand a character arc. It can't be your writing that's the problem! And as for Harrison Fords fan appreciation video 2 weeks after it's already failed as a last ditch hope...how transparent can you be? But what did you think? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)

Fans: "I just want to see Indiana Jones be the star of the Indiana Jones film." Hollywood: "How does it feel to be a raging misogynist?"

"...life is disappointing" doesn't need to be explained to me in a movie, I've LIVED it for myself when I lost my first born son unexpectedly when he was just in his thirties. I go to the movies to escape reality, not be hit over the head with it. Mangold's gotten too big for his britches and forgotten that his job is to entertain, not educate.

"The movie makers berated me so now I'm going to see their movie," said no one ever.

The thing about Top Gun 2’s message is that Cruise’s actions in regards to how he handled that film, reflect his words to us. He really did try his hardest to give us something we haven’t seen before, all the while re-introducing an older character to a new audience and making them fall in love with him all over again. Cruise isn’t about just keeping it real when it comes to stunts and spectacle, he also did the same when it came to how his messages were projected. You don’t feel condescension, there is no preaching, and the beloved legacy character isn’t humiliated to prop up annoying, pathetic side characters.

It's been amusing watching a 5th generation horror film beat a Indiana Jones movie.

Disney: "This film was made for fan service." Also Disney: "WE hate the fans. The fans suck!"

Blaming the audience who doesn't like your movie is like telling the teacher they don't know how to grade your homework. 🙄

Must be nice to have a job where you regularly lose hundreds of millions of dollars, call your customers scum and not get fired.

Indy went from an old man passively waiting to die to an old man actively wanting to die. This is definitely a character arc.

It’s almost quite embarrassing how many times the media plays cover for terrible pieces of media and blames it on fans.

The company that pays media outlets and reviewers not to insult them thinks that they can insult the fans and still get paid by them. That's the level of cognitive dissonance they're on over at Disney right now.

As a longtime fan of Indiana Jones. As a 45 year old dude who grew up adoring the Indiana jones franchise, this doesn’t make me angry. It makes me sad. Just apathetic and sad. It’s not anger. Just emptyness. Just sad. What a waste of time and money. The last crusade hit all the right spots, and was a perfect place to end it. Literally riding off into the sunset. Ah well. Hollyweird will do what hollyweird does

Disney continues to not understand a basic rule: do not insult your customers. It is totally fine for people to not like a film or films. It doesn't make them an instantly bad person and no amount of insults will change that.

As an Archaeologist, who studied Archaeology because of Indiana Jones, I just want to cry :(

This all started when they started hiring the Rainbow Mafia and it won't end until they get rid of the Rainbow Mafia.

Why is it sooooooooo hard to just simply give fans what they want.

You nailed it disparu. The hypocrisy of Mangold not acknowledging that Helena Shaw is a character who was written perfect with no flaws from the outset.

I refuse to watch anything Disney makes until they stop shoving ideology in our face and tearing down our beloved legacy characters.

Until about 10 years ago, when a movie didn't do well, the Director didn't blame the fans for it. I never thought about it before but I had the idea that the studio talked about why the movie did not do well, what the feedback from the public was, and what could they improve on to not make the same mistakes in their next movie. But blaming the fans is a lot more fun, and involves no self reflection whatsoever. 👏 Thanks for the video! 🙏😎🍿

Here's a funny thing. The obvious choice is Indy, Marion, Short Round and possibly re-cast Mutt are forced into one last adventure. That's what the audience wanted. If they'd done that, a lot of flaws would have been overlooked, and it probably would have made that billion they were looking for. They could have even made Helena a minor, less trash character and spun a TV show off the successful movie. But at Lucasfilm, rule #1 is "The audience never gets what they obviously want."

I love how these directors try to justify destroying a well loved character in a movie fans never wanted.

Disney's ability to drive some of the popular and lucrative IPs into the ground is impressive in a way.

Indy goes from a sad old broken man in his run-down apartment, to a sad old broken man in his run-down apartment Wow - What a character arc!!

I am old man, recently retired so you get an idea of how old I really am and how simple I see things. I say that because I remember when movies were actually had good stories with real character arcs. I am not a writer I know next to nothing about writing stories. To me the best stories were about flawed men and some women who only wanted to do the right thing. Star Wars, the first 3 Indiana Jones movies. Movies from Carol Lombard in My Man Godfrey to John Wayne in his westerns ( yes, I am an old geezer) and a thousand in between. I know many will not be able to relate I just wonder what happen to originality, story telling and making movies for real people.

It's legitimately mind boggling to hear these writers discussing the Jake Skywalkering trope as if it's new, cutting edge and subversive! I refuse to believe that they're actually that ignorant of the industry trend for the past seven years!!!

Only hollywood could look at the fan consensus that the movie was awful and say it was divisive. 🤣

I'll say it again, "Screw Harrison Ford", he read the script and still took the check.

Yes, a movie character’s arc has peaks and valleys. People tend to like it when you go from peak to valley to peak within the space of two hours. They tend not to like it when you start with a peak, and then wait 40 years to get to the valley, and stop there.

No director could turn Phoebe Waller Bridge into a likeable action hero. Or a femme fatale. Or a mainstream comedian. Or...

After college I moved to LA to be a writer, and I used to be sad about it but after all that has happened I am actually proud to have been so thoroughly rejected by the worst decision-makers on the planet.

My thoughts on Harrison's "message to the fans" vs Tom's message. Tom has ALWAYS displayed passion about his roles. I know he's an actor and yet in that message before Top Gun, I "believed" him because of his past actions and real passion. As I mentioned in my previous message, Harrison has displayed a decided LACK of passion for his characters (most notably Han Solo and Indy) in interviews for decades. Tom has been nothing but passionate. I believe Tom when he says he is passionate. I believe Tom when he says he is grateful to the fans. I think he has shown, over decades of interviews and interactions, that he actually cares what his fans think of his work and his characters. I do not care one wit about his personal life. I care about his performance. He has continuously shown that he is passionate about his work and his characters. Therefore, his message before Top Gun, actually meant something. Harrison's message was pure PR, pure cope, and a desperate move to drum up business for his sucky, failing movie and for his sucky, failing studio. I wonder how much he got paid for filming that message because I'm CERTAIN he did NOT do it for free or out of any real passion or caring for his fans.

If there is one thing that I would never question, it would be if Tom Cruise really wants to entertain an audience by making great movies....

Nobody is asking that Indy is infallible. They’re asking that you don’t make him depressed and useless, only to cure his melancholy with a punch to the face. There is no arc, he’s life was miserable because of circumstances and those circumstances were magicked away. There’s no overcoming personal failings, no revelation for his character, the writer just flicked a switch from sad to happy. The lengths these people will go to pretend that the movie wasn’t an uninspired mess cobbled together from scraps is ridiculous

Feminism won't even try to protect women by saving women's sports. It is ridiculous to think it could save anything else.

I miss the days when celebrities didn't directly interact with the public.

"Whatever you think of horror movies" Excuse me young man, horror has been keeping the cinema doors open for eons. Thank you veeeery much!

The deconstruction of an iconic hero, you say? That's certainly never been done before...

I don't remember "basement dwellers" losing a quarter billion dollars on a film, but I do remember the for several years "basement dwellers" warning, very vocally, that the film was heading down the wrong path. Guess who was roght?

There's never a good reason to attack fans of entertainment. Never.

I'm proud to say i watched Indiana Jones with my family. 1, 2 , and 3. That is all.

The original Indiana Jones wasn't infallible he was a normal guy with all the vulnerabilities of a normal guy but he had the ambition and courage to overcome great evil and solve problems he was confronted with. There were many times you feared for his life and he could have died just as easily as anybody else but he overcame it through inner greatness. There were plenty of times he was outmatched by bigger stronger opponents and found a way and to overcome. He was the "unlikely" hero and was a great role model of genuine masculinity. He was great.

Since when do 80 year olds go through massive character growth? We don't want him to be static, we just want him to be Indy.

You DON'T tell fans what they should like that. THEY decide that. It looks like the folks at Lucasfilm have forgotten that.

First, my intelligence was insulted by their terrible products, then, when I voice my concerns about this, I’m insulted again as “I just don’t get it”. I hope Disney gets this: my transactional relationship with you has now reached a permanent end, and there are many like me.

I really hate how Hollywood is labeling genuine critiques as “trolls and haters” like it’s such an immature high schooler mentality to think “you don’t agree or love everything I say or do so you must be a dirty HATER” Grow tf up Hollywood jfc

Here we go again. Attack the fans. They never learn.

Nobody at Disney comes across as sincerely caring about their fans! By stark contrast: Tom Cruise may be completely Batshite-Out-of-His-Mind-Crazy! But- Tom Cruise sincerely cares about his fans!

"The peasants, thank you for explaining what a character arc is. I am still training in how to use rudimentary tools" ❤ loved how you pin it and explain. Just shows that Hollywood thinks lesser of their clients

You gotta' love how this deconstruction that these directors claim to be so in love with only ever happens to legacy white male characters, so they can be replaced and upstaged by new instantly-amazing female characters. Oh yes. Making Indy a failure is totally making him a real human being. Meanwhile his 'costar' is amazing from the moment she's introduced and don't you dare try to deconstruct her because we can't have any of that.

"You know anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo." ─ Knuckles the Echidna

When I'm showing an editing project to people for the first time, the thought running through my head line a freight train on repeat is usually "I hope I did a good enough job of telling my story to the audience", not "I hope the audience are intelligent enough to deserve to see my masterpiece"

I do certainly watch movies to learn that "life is disappointing" and there's a lot of drawbacks to getting old. That's my favorite film experience for sure, and not just one I experience in my home on a daily basis as I feebly crawl towards middle age and my parents live through their 70s and most of the events on my calendar have become attending family funerals. I definitely don't want any sort of experience that doesn't resemble my own pathetic and boring life at home or anything. No, I want to go to the theater and pay twenty dollars to see it enacted on a screen as well.

Gotta love Mangold showing how little he actually knows about writing by defining all of drama in a way that denies the existence of the flat character arc, despite the fact that it predates all other variants. What a disgrace.

Harrison Ford - "I have seen movies on a big screen but there was nobody else in the room." Are you sure he wasn't watching Indiana Jones 5? That sounds like the experience.

Yeah, that was the big problem with the original Indiana Jones movies. He didn't have any problems to deal with. Thanks for fixing the Indiana Jones movies, James Mangold !!!

We are not looking for a deconstruction of another iconic character. We are looking for 2 hours of freedom from our own problems. And, to be entertained.

Turning a characters life into a train wreck off screen between movies is not an arc. If that's the story you want then make that story. The audiences connection to a character is throw the shared experience of the film

There does seem to have been a shift from 'the movie under-performed' to 'the audience under-performed'. From accepting responsibility to laying blame.

Ford has made a bunch of great movies in his career. But his attitude towards fans has always been somewhere between indifference and distain. You know it was hard for him to pretend to have gratitude.

Attacking the fans has been such a successful strategy for woke Hollywood, nothing like telling customers how terrible/stupid they are while expecting them to hand you their money. Stunning and brave, now lets check the 2nd weekend box office........ oh 😂

It is clear they believe that good box office results are their noble right and we peasants are incapable of just being thankful they provided us a table scrap.

I hate how they handled this movie and also the crystal skull. Indy 3 had a great ending to the franchise. If they where that insistent on doing a new one they could have had his grandson find his hat and whip and ask about them and then Indy tell him about his first adventure. Then when it’s done he could put the hat on his grandson and the theme song play. At least that way he’s not being completely torn down and he’s not doing unrealistic stunts for his age.

It's amazing to see hollywood saying that the fans are the ones who don't understand a character arc. Having a character start out automatically good at everything and borderline evil to boot, as PWB is in this movie, and then for no reason whatsoever, at the end they become still good at everything, but now seem to not be borderline evil anymore, again for no explained reason in the movie, is NOT a character arc. Having Indiana Jones go from depressed to suicidal throughout the course of the movie and then only making it because his god daughter knocks him out, drags him home and then magically his wife comes back, again for no explained reason is NOT a character arc. He did not overcome anything. His goddaughter saved him from dying and his wife chose to come back for "reasons" that he had nothing to do with. And if she leaves again tomorrow, he'll be right back where he started.

Doubt if anyone who agreed to watch a hero from a previous movie, who turns out to be unable to maintain human relatioships or keep a positive attitude in life would consider this to be an inspirational story for aging ...

"Just focus on where the character starts. Not on what we're doing with the corpse." -James (Wo)Mangold, certified genius.

If you've ever seen Bubba Hotep you might agree with me that it points the way to a decent Indy 5 flick. Indy old, discounted, no longer taken seriously and then, something amazing and sinister happens.

Lucasfilm are still doing their “ Are we the divisive ones? No, it’s the fans who are wrong” thing

I'm openly divisive, I like to divide the good stuff from the crap

It's been amusing watching Hollywood freak out over a movie you'd think they'd all get behind!!! (Sound of Freedom) but I guess it does call out a lot of big-wigs, so..

A fashion show with action? Yes Please! I loved The Fifth Element! Just don't let Disney or Amazon any where near it.

I remember sitting in the theater on opening night of "Rsiders". We lost our collective minds when Jones shot the swordsman. Wouldn't be in the film today.

Why didn’t they end at Last Crusade? It’s not that hard, people. You didn’t need to make Crystal Skull and you certainly didn’t need to make this.

We all wanted a good movie like him and short round having to save mutt in the end indy looses an eye to shave short round and that leads to his retirement. Also seeing Simon peg complaining that star wars fans being toxic after making episodes on a show attacking lucas and fans of the prequels proves hes a hypocrite

Disney’s bureaucrats and staff couldn’t be more out of touch with reality. They REALLY still don’t understand why people hate their newer movies?!?

I love how his definition of a character arc starts at rock bottom with Indy as a sad, lonely habitual drunk separated from his spouse and mourning the death of his son, basically just waiting to die and ends with him being hand luggage for his own damn movie and literally BEGGING to die. What a journey. Can't imagine why people wouldn't want to walk out of the cinema knowing that the last ever Indiana Jones movie to feature actual Indiana Jones destroyed everything. They must hate entertainment.

😂 getting older is disappointing... I'm glad this movie has a good message

Do I need to say any more? I called this weeks ago and it's time to finally just cast Harrison 'I hate everything I ever did' Ford away, he is a bitter cynical old man who should've remained a Janitor

That's it, attacked the customers the ones that are paying for your product.... That always works..

This is so crazy. These Hollywood people are getting really into this blaming the fans for their failures.

IMO This film would have been better off with General Audiences if they had an older Indy and Marion on their last adventure discussing how they FIRST met and the insuing adventure. They could have had a younger Dr Henry Jones along for the adventure. Yes, co Starring younger actors in the roles

Harrison Ford to feel ashamed for taking part in the destruction of a beloved character and his own legacy.

Harrison has 0% of my respect and Tom Cruise has 100%

I love when you actually say what is wrong with entertainment and make it so simple to understand and yet not one of the writers can figure it out.

These out of touch people forget that the only reason they are employed is because of the fans. They work for the fans not the other way around.

I’ve now watched this film twice. Because one of my best mates wanted to see it and then because my mum wanted to see it! It doesn’t get better with a second viewing!

While I can definitely appreciate Harrison Ford as an actor, and he's played the part of some of my favorite characters in Cinema, namely Han Solo and Indiana Jones, honestly I don't think I'd ever be able to say that I'd like Harrison as a person. Even when he was young he came across as a crotchety and rather abrasive person, the kind of actor who plays the role, but the moment a fan meets him and gushes a bit he'd just tell them to f**k off. Maybe he just doesn't have the personality type to be able to handle public spotlight (I can certainly sympathize), but I do think that it does somewhat harm people's enjoyment of his movies at least to a small degree when they realize that Ford himself really didn't give a damn about many of his most beloved and iconic roles. And honestly his Thank You video for Indiana 5 just looked like him being in front of a camera and saying that stuff while people off camera aimed guns at him. He's never really felt like he gives too much of a s**t. In some ways that's kind of admirable, but in other ways it's very off putting. Even when he was playing Han or Indy back in the 70's and 80's, he really came across in a lot of interviews as just not giving much of a f**k and just being there for the paycheck. Sure, at the end of the day that's what most anybody does, but he was pretty brazen with not caring. Compare this to someone like Tom Cruise. Say what you want about Tom during his crazy years as a Scientologist (not sure if he ever broke out of that cult or not), but it's pretty apparent that while he certainly does what he does for money, he also ENJOYS it and legitimately enjoys pleasing the fans. That kind of energy, passion, and love for the art does tend to shine through, and even some of Cruise's less successful films were typically unsuccessful in spite of him rather than because of him.

That was no character arc, that was a nose dive into an empty pool. R.I.P. Indy

Typical gaslighting! No one minds heroes having struggles, but we mind malicious deconstruction and character assassinations of our favorite characters, in order to replace them with more self-insert KK clones! And if a studio does it over, and over, and over again, you can’t expect your choices to be judged in isolation!

So, once again they’re trying to get people to watch another one of their failing movies by insulting them. An interesting strategy that’s not worked before, but I’m sure it’ll work for sure this time, right? 🤣🤣🤣

Why not have Indy happily retiring and pursuing one last obsession? Like his father. His father was old but fun.

That whole "Thanks, fans. Love Indy" message from Ford is such nonsense. You know he doesn't care. Every pop culture role he's been in has been tedious for him. Tom Cruise might be nuts, but his message was unexpected and genuinely him expressing his love for movies in theaters.

I'm so looking forward to Mission Impossible

I mean Sean Connery was old in Last Crusade and he wasn't a sad sack. they didn't HAVE to do this

This is where I feel old - because I still have some nostalgia for seeing films at the cinema. There was less eating and noise, and the volume of the film wasn't turned up so high your fillings rattled.When the entire audience would catch their breath, or jump in their seats, as one, the film was more memorable (when video rentals started it was strange how reseeing a film you'd seen on screen on a 28" TV at home made for a smaller and less astounding experience). But at the point where I had to plug my ears with tissue to watch Phantom Menace... well that was the last time I saw a film in the cinema. In Harrison Ford's memories of cinema people dressed nicely, mostly cleared up their own litter, and it was the only place you'd get the movie in widescreen and the soundtrack in stereo. Seeing it in the cinema could make even a mediocre film into a night out. Heck, I was in the ABC Minors and that was a saturday spent with 'friends' you'd made according to who was in the seats near you, watching PeterCushing's Dr Who films and with virtually no adult supervision. Above a certain age movie-going was an entirely different experience - I'm old enough to understand what Harrison Ford is saying, but young enough to know that experience can't be discovered or recaptured nowadays.

"If you don't like the ashes, we can replace them with Phoebe Waller Bridge." *Um... I'll take the ashes, thank you very much.*

Why isn't Phoebe doing this? Or Kathleen Kennedy? I'd love to see the two of them giving public statements.

There are many ways they could have done a respectful sign off for indy. Instead they did this. Everyone saw it coming. But my favorite idea let last crusade speak for itself. It was a perfect ending.

Old Indy already has been portrayed by George Lucas during Young Indiana Jones chronicles. It’s already been established as canon that Indy lived happily with his granddaughter and grandson through at least 1993 in a nice New England suburb which was a bright and cheery residence. He routinely spent time lecturing as a Professor Emeritus with his university, local museums, and overseas conferences. During the show, he was a happy, well adjusted, elderly professional with a clear zest for life who enjoyed telling his many life stories to whomever was on hand to listen. This loser portrayed by Disney in the latest film was nothing like Old Indy created by Lucas. Plus, Old Indy had apparently lost his right eye in what appears to have been a sword fight (similar to Anakin’s eye injury Lucas created a decade later).

See, this is what is wrong with the world, as the world was a lot better when people thought that "the customer " is always right, now they just blame the customer, because they don't have a clue of what the customer actually wants🤦‍♂️🤯 It is arse about!😒