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Indiana Jones & Pascal's Wager: Crash Course Philosophy #15 

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Today we conclude our unit on Philosophy of Religion and Hank gets a little help from Indiana Jones to explain religious pragmatism and Pascal’s Wager, fideism, and Kierkegaard’s leap to faith.
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@ebell404
@ebell404 8 лет назад
"If you're giving up or reason and evidence, then all beliefs are philosophically equal." That's really good.
@relleonw1714
@relleonw1714 8 лет назад
"But Marge, what if we picked the wrong religion? Every time we go to church we're just making God madder and madder." -Homer Simpson
@michaelgrimes5588
@michaelgrimes5588 5 лет назад
Recognition of the harmful ignorances of denominations seems to prove God. Most authentic believers will tell you the worst case for God is Judaism, Catholicism, Muslim, Christian etc etc
@cassun603
@cassun603 4 года назад
@@michaelgrimes5588 I don't see how that proves the existence of God.
@kenbellchambers4577
@kenbellchambers4577 4 года назад
@@cassun603 Because, when you take denominational Christianity as flawed, and even downright evil sometimes, you then have to go back to the Word itself. That is what sets a person free. The prophetic word is so precise, that you have to be a complete idiot not to see it. But, it takes time and patience and a lot of work. In the end, the devout student is blessed beyond belief. Think about it, if you were the devil trying to subvert God, you would spend most of your time in churches!
@cassun603
@cassun603 4 года назад
@@kenbellchambers4577 If you take the bible as the word of god, then your very faith is flawed. You cannot cherry pick what parts of "God's word" to believe. You have to either take all of it or none of it. But since the Bible contradicts itself so many times, and if god is perfect, then the Bible can't be God's word.
@kenbellchambers4577
@kenbellchambers4577 4 года назад
@@cassun603 The apparent contradictions in the bible are due to first, not reading the whole book, and not reading it with an open mind. Secondly, translational errors. Hebrew is a difficult language and errors happen fairly easily, and thirdly, not seeking advice on apparent contradictions which have been satisfactorily resolved for hundreds of years. I was an atheist. I KNEW I was right. I read the bible with an open mind. I was no longer an atheist. After that, whenever I sought an explanation regarding contradictions, I found answers. The bible is a book so deep, that if you studied it for ever, it would surely still be quite able to surprise and enlighten. Please provide a few of the contradictions that you have encountered, and I may be able to help.
@ZMondoHype
@ZMondoHype 8 лет назад
wish he explained the main flaw of Pascal's wager: that it assumes that there is only one religion to choose from
@kimhsamh7024
@kimhsamh7024 4 года назад
and also in the case of Christianity if you only believe in God because it is the best bet, from a Bible point of view that gives you eternity in hell because you don't believe in God by faith, so that means believing in God's existence without the 'true faith' part is no difference than if you just didn't believe. I think this is also another flaw in Pascal's wager. You can't just use your gambling & math skills to buy your ticket to heaven/eternal life. Faith is integral.
@j-dog7767
@j-dog7767 4 года назад
It still applies, better to choose one than none
@kimhsamh7024
@kimhsamh7024 4 года назад
​@@j-dog7767 Only if it's a religion that doesn't stress on faith
@patrickvangelder3349
@patrickvangelder3349 4 года назад
@@j-dog7767 not so sure, if you choose the wrong god, he might be more angry at you than he would if you don't worship the competition
@j-dog7767
@j-dog7767 4 года назад
Patrick Van Gelder well with the major religions in the world they’re pretty cut and dry. What I mean by that is that the Abrahamic gods don’t have different punishments for those who worship other gods, and those who don’t at all. They all go to hell. Technically in Catholicism there are levels of hell, but honestly they all sound pretty bad, like burning on embers vs torn apart by demons. On the other hand there are some religions where faith isn’t completely necessary, or maybe a god that doesn’t care if we have faith in it, but that brings us back to the wager
@-undecided-1663
@-undecided-1663 4 года назад
Me and the bois brainwashing ourselves into heaven
@255ad
@255ad 8 лет назад
the other issue with Pascal's Wager is you can apply it to absolutely every religion, even ones you make up your self. A lot of old European thinkers seem to share the problem that they don't seem to realize Christianity isn't synonymous with all faith
@ItsDomke
@ItsDomke 8 лет назад
+255ad I'd rather believe there's a flying spaghetti monster and be wrong than NOT believe there's a flying spaghetti monster and be wrong.
@AntwanMounir
@AntwanMounir 8 лет назад
+255ad He did basically mention it with the tea-potists
@mephostopheles3752
@mephostopheles3752 8 лет назад
+Yassir Douslimi What if there's more than one god, and they find it insulting to assume only one exists?
@carsonbarlow348
@carsonbarlow348 8 лет назад
+Lookoutitsdomke It depends on how tasty he is...
@willwebb299
@willwebb299 8 лет назад
+255ad With the thousands of Gods , Goddesses and deities worshipped throughout human history as well as the infinite number of possible deities hitherto unthought of, Pascal's wager becomes a bet on infinity, where you must throw a dart at one particular God, hope none of the other infinite number of deities exist or care about your beliefs. The bet becomes an impossible wager with no God more likely than the other. The only way to play the bet is to look at the evidence for each outcome and realise that all lack evidence, so it's probably best not to make the wager.
@BagheerathePanther
@BagheerathePanther 8 лет назад
"Send this email to 10 of your best friends or something bad will happen!" Pascal's Wager in action.
@victorortiz8977
@victorortiz8977 6 лет назад
BagheerathePanther the problem with that is that you know there’s a 0% chance that something bad will happen to you. Even if you don’t believe in God or any type of religion I wouldn’t believe anyone who said they never even imagined of some being that at least started everything leaving out wether or not they’re good bad or anything else
@writteninthestars1111
@writteninthestars1111 6 лет назад
Victor Ortiz, Pascal would send the emails, because it would be worse, if a bad thing acually happened.
@tahaaverage3269
@tahaaverage3269 5 лет назад
I'm definitely stealing your analogy. Thanks 😉
@ecee5139
@ecee5139 5 лет назад
this is brilliant.
@dirkwalker9686
@dirkwalker9686 5 лет назад
@@victorortiz8977 For pascals wager to hold you have to not only believe in some being that started everything, but you have to believe in a being who will reward you eternally or punish you eternally based entirely on whether or not you guessed correctly if it exists, without sufficient evidence. THATS more ridiculous, and harder to believe than the idea an email can give you bad luck.
@milocarteret8770
@milocarteret8770 4 года назад
Gotta love the "Pascal's mugging" objection. A man walks up to you in the street and says: "hey, I'm God. Give me all your money as a testament to your faith, and I'll send you to heaven. If not, I'll send you to hell." Do you call his bluff and risk infinite loss, or fork over the cash in exchange for infinite reward?
@omowako
@omowako 4 года назад
Lolll Honestly I see your point. Simultaneously though, believing in God also doesnt cost as much as your whole fortune and if you gave up your whole fortune that would go against pragmatic idea. btw I'm not religious so plz dont get mad at me
@alialmans
@alialmans 4 года назад
@@omowako its not about the amount, this argument works just as well if this self proclaimed street god asks you for 20 bucks
@omowako
@omowako 4 года назад
@@alialmans Lmao true though
@omowako
@omowako 4 года назад
@Mary Smith I hope this was sarcasm haha XD
@omowako
@omowako 4 года назад
@@timothymonaghan8875 ? This is just Pascals Wager which really doesn't matter which God you believe in (even though Pascal was a Christian). The main point is that being an atheist doesn't really benefit you compared to being religious (given that this religion promises a better after life)
@paulmicaelli1302
@paulmicaelli1302 8 лет назад
I heard that Pascal knew his own wager fell short somehow, and that a mathematical reasonable argument wasn't gonna change anyone's heart. That's why he concluded with his most famous quote: "The heart has its reasons that reason knows not".
@bryanwan6169
@bryanwan6169 8 лет назад
This video was filmed in Indiana with Indiana in it.
@crashcourse
@crashcourse 8 лет назад
+Cryp Tic Not quite -- CC Philosophy (along with all other Hank-hosted Crash Course series) is filmed in Missoula, MT. -Nicole
@MouseGoat
@MouseGoat 8 лет назад
+Cryp Tic NOOO bad internet! you making brain hut!!
@Moscato_Moscato
@Moscato_Moscato 8 лет назад
+CrashCourse hey CC was Hank in Cyberchase?
@nelord7000
@nelord7000 8 лет назад
Yo dawg
@Anele1097
@Anele1097 8 лет назад
Damn +Ryan Doty back at it again with the old memes
@Houdini111
@Houdini111 8 лет назад
Shame that the unit is ending. This has been very interesting.
@zaksilva-sampaio7876
@zaksilva-sampaio7876 8 лет назад
Sorry, but i'm glad it's over. Spent 4 years listening to this stuff, stopped caring. I can't wait for some existentialism however, i wanna see how crash coarse handles this subject.
@CthulhuTheory
@CthulhuTheory 8 лет назад
It's just the religion part. There's only so many ways you can philosophically dissect the potential existence of a presumably non-provable being.
@TheJamesy1023
@TheJamesy1023 8 лет назад
i was disappointed it was short too
@Houdini111
@Houdini111 8 лет назад
zakk silva-sampaio Existentialism is probably my favorite part of philosophy. :D
@Forseenlife
@Forseenlife 8 лет назад
+zakk silva-sampaio um, that's the next video
@TaunellE
@TaunellE 5 лет назад
So, Pascal was a "practical coward?" Btw, I'm loving this. You tackled philosophy and religion like a badass. I have No complaints. Thank you all for these videos! 📚❤
@demianhaki7598
@demianhaki7598 8 лет назад
That's the lovely thing about proper philosophical thinking: You don't even have to make a case for or against something. You can just honestly lay out the arguments, including some of those mentioned in favour of faith, and the unsatisfactory nature of some of those arguments will reveal itself to the observer without the presenter having to make the case himself.
@Slenderbanana880
@Slenderbanana880 4 года назад
Wish I could like this twice
@Kn0wka
@Kn0wka 8 лет назад
One issue with Pascal's wager, is what if the God you're believing in is the "wrong god", and the real god will send you to their hell because of your worship of false gods/prophets...
@OzixiThrill
@OzixiThrill 8 лет назад
+Knowka I think you would most likely have the best possible chance of going to a better place (assuming there is one) by being a murderous glory-seeking warrior. That would secure a good place in two or three religions... Most others would only net you one spot on the table of religions...
@HiltownJoe
@HiltownJoe 8 лет назад
+Knowka If you follow that line or reasoning you have to go with the religion that has the highest rewards and the worst punishments. Allso it should be compatible with as many of those religions that do not require you to believe into them, just to live the way they think is right.
@TrentR42
@TrentR42 8 лет назад
I came to the comments to ask the same thing. The Mormon/LDS Church believes in "degrees of glory" in the afterlife. The lowest tier for non believers still actually glory and better than earth life. The only place lower, Outer Darkness, is the worst of sinners -- those that deny God's existence (such as the soul of Lucifer himself)
@tysonasaurus6392
@tysonasaurus6392 8 лет назад
True it does not account for paganism
@ANIME2020X
@ANIME2020X 8 лет назад
+Knowka You're presuming that there must be one true religion for God, but that is not necessarily true. You can believe in a sort of God and not believe in any religion, say, all religions are man-made and are not from God, and if you can do that, the problem you're presenting will not be an issue in Pascal's Wager.
@NewNew-qn7kh
@NewNew-qn7kh 8 лет назад
On pascals wager, Hitchens once said that " I would presume divine sir, that you have some respect for intellectual honesty and for moral courage, and that you would look with favour on somebody who made an honest profession of unbelief then on someone who acceded to believe in you in the hope of a hand out"
@kenbellchambers4577
@kenbellchambers4577 4 года назад
life IS a handout. None of us created ourselves.
@kennethd.9436
@kennethd.9436 4 года назад
Christopher Hitchens gave the best arguments against Pascal’s wager. His contributions would have been a welcome addition, but it’s possible the creators didn’t know, I only found his lectures, debates, and videos a few years ago.
@christopherfiorentino6552
@christopherfiorentino6552 4 года назад
Hitchens..that's the best you got ?
@marredcheese
@marredcheese 4 года назад
I always had a hard time understanding the concept of a God who is benevolent, wise, and all-knowing and yet not all-empathizing. God, if you do exist, I'm living in the world you created, in the circumstances you put me in, with the body and brain and soul you granted to me. If my life didn't turn out as you would have liked, that's on you, buddy. And if, given my circumstances, I decided not to believe in God at all or to believe in some other god while also being a good person who treats others well, then that ought to be adequate to please you. And yet, supposedly, the Christian God's top concern is whether you believe in Him specifically and not other gods. It's truly bizarre.
@christopherfiorentino6552
@christopherfiorentino6552 4 года назад
@Andy Holland Amen
@domhuckle
@domhuckle 4 года назад
I've just been converted from a jedi to a teapotist
@StAlchemyst
@StAlchemyst 8 лет назад
I am a Christian, and I have to say your videos on religion, almost always, are near flawlessly objective. Being neither swayed nor nuanced one way or the other. Your true scientific observation is impressive. (sincere complement)
@ytho3557
@ytho3557 8 лет назад
I take offense at the remark about the spaghetti monster, I am a proud pastafarian!
@a.j.mckinney9695
@a.j.mckinney9695 8 лет назад
+Jeremy R Step aside, us pagans are superior. Thor for LIFE.
@lejink
@lejink 8 лет назад
+aj mckinney Accept his noodly magnificence into your heart, into your soul, and ye shall forever be free. R'amen
@1234kalmar
@1234kalmar 8 лет назад
+Jeremy R Don't be too proud of this Theological terror you've constructed! It's abilty to gain followers is insignificant, next to the power of The Force! :D
@casersatz
@casersatz 8 лет назад
+Jeremy R Pastafarianism: "cleanliness is the furthest thing from godliness".
@AndreLeRoux81
@AndreLeRoux81 8 лет назад
I take offense to your taking offense
@andrelee7081
@andrelee7081 8 лет назад
Yes existentialism is coming up, one of the most important philosophies of the twentieth century. I really hope he covers French existentialists like Sartre and Camus.
@academicned6236
@academicned6236 8 лет назад
Sartre is awesome.
@ayernee
@ayernee 8 лет назад
+Andre Lee camus isnt an exsistentialist
@SergeantRobbinBobbin
@SergeantRobbinBobbin 8 лет назад
+Andre Lee He will definitely cover both of them eventually, although Camus is an Absurdist, which, believe it or not, is actually not Existentialism (I think).
@TheArchsage74
@TheArchsage74 8 лет назад
+Andre Lee I don't see why he wouldn't.
@andrelee7081
@andrelee7081 8 лет назад
+ayernee +SergeantRobbinBobbin Camus did not like labels and he did reject titles like "existentialist" and "absurdist". However, many, including me, consider him an "existentialist" because of his ideas were heavily influenced by Kierkegaard and his friends Sartre and Merleau-Ponty. Camus partially differed from his contemporaries in his views of the mankind, the world and life's joys, which got him labeled an "absurdist" but he still remains an integral figure in the history of existentialism which formed much of the basis for his own philosophies expressed in L'Etranger and Le Mythe de Sisyphe.
@tabussumsehar7746
@tabussumsehar7746 6 лет назад
Your lectures have caused me to study philosophy as an interest. It has made me look at things in a different way questioning every bit of detail I see. Thanks for existing
@nickj.648
@nickj.648 8 лет назад
The Flying Spaghetti Monster's blessings are free to all who search for them. R'Amen.
@Fahad-bg4cj
@Fahad-bg4cj 4 года назад
Pennetastic! xD
@typicallyodd2237
@typicallyodd2237 4 года назад
Nick J. Lol... bruh...😂😂😂🤣😵
@ScottM1973
@ScottM1973 4 года назад
It's true because he boiled for our sins!
@ToddWCorey1
@ToddWCorey1 4 года назад
Except no one actually believes in it, it's just a middle finger to people who believe in a God.
@gloriousossr2914
@gloriousossr2914 4 года назад
Nick J. This is HERESY! Only the Saucesiah can save our Saucy souls
@HikaruKatayamma
@HikaruKatayamma 8 лет назад
Indy's "leap of faith" makes for great movie stuff because the film was only 2D, however since Indy has 2 eyes, and parallax means that he'd have been able to see the "invisible bridge" as it was at a vastly different depth from his eyes than the rest of the pit... It was still a good optical trick, but one that wouldn't work IRL.
@HikaruKatayamma
@HikaruKatayamma 8 лет назад
Not that scene. It was fairly well lit so you could see the chasm. Even if it wasn't, the light from whatever source he'd be carrying would illuminate the bridge brighter than the opposite wall of the chasm.
@maingun07
@maingun07 8 лет назад
That's one of the scenes where I lost my suspension of disbelief. Even if Indy had only one good eye, simply moving his head in any direction would induce parallax. The next ten minutes of the movie I missed because I kept wondering how he could _not_ see the damn bridge.
@TheCanterlonian
@TheCanterlonian 8 лет назад
The bridge was approached from one particular direction. What if the bridge was just wide enough to not be seen while approaching from that direction because of how it was painted, while after you take the first step it immediately became visible? Yeah it's not what's shown in the movie, but couldn't one alter the set to make it possible? I mean, if you can't move and the bridge is wider than the tunnel you come from, the paint can be disguised to include features to fool parallax.
@HikaruKatayamma
@HikaruKatayamma 8 лет назад
You can't paint something to fool your perception of depth so that it appears to be farther away AND perfectly match the background on the other side. If you watch the movie again, you'll see that Indy is moving around, but the camera is in a fixed position. That's because the illusion will only work for the camera if it's in that exact spot. Once it moved, the illusion was broken. Nice cinematography, but wouldn't work IRL.
@all_time_Jelly_Fish
@all_time_Jelly_Fish 8 лет назад
He should have just thrown sand onto the bridge before he crossed it, not after.
@thes7274473
@thes7274473 8 лет назад
You skipped the biggest criticism of Pascal's Wager: what if you're believing in the wrong deity? Darkmatter2525 explained it well; an atheist hears Pascal's Wager and converts to Christianity, then he dies and finds out he angered Allah and goes to hell.
@greencloakguy
@greencloakguy 8 лет назад
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are not they the same God? Both religions descend directly from, and share their central deity with, Judaism, as the God in the old testament is the same as the God in the new testament and in the Qur'an, no? The God of all three religions is the God of Abraham, who is one of the foremost ancestors of Jesus and who is the father of Ishmael, a central figure in the ancestry of Islam.
@masterofgimick
@masterofgimick 8 лет назад
Yes they are. The difference is that what God did after the Old Testament. Both of them were rooted from Torah. All of them are the same in the Torah but parted ways in the New Testament and Qur'an. Let us assume that the Old Testament was true. Sooo, it's either 3 of these possibilities are true.
@greencloakguy
@greencloakguy 8 лет назад
Admittedly true, I was splitting hairs. But then, comes another interesting question - is agnosticism "better" than faith in the wrong deity? Is faith in the wrong God better or worse than faith in no particular God at all?
@masterofgimick
@masterofgimick 8 лет назад
Neither, I can only suggest you one thing: Live your life to the fullest and don't let these holy books tell you what to do. There are 3 million deities and only one of them can be true. If God exists then most likely you're going to hell as the chances are less than one percent.
@AStrangeTree
@AStrangeTree 8 лет назад
Point made, but Allah and God are the same deity, so...
@michellem7290
@michellem7290 5 лет назад
"You might miss out on coveting stuff"
@busylivingnotdying
@busylivingnotdying 4 года назад
Yeah, … coveting and sex … and thinking that you are worth something as you are … quite a lot actually (in some religion at least) :)
@allkinds1069
@allkinds1069 8 лет назад
man I'm loving this series, such an interesting yet well layed out format plus hanks humid takes the seriousness off the topics so it seems less like forced school and more like learning out if interest
@Markovia64
@Markovia64 8 лет назад
Join the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster today
@procrastinator99
@procrastinator99 8 лет назад
+JesusFriedChrist Ramen.
@namingisdifficult408
@namingisdifficult408 8 лет назад
Clap Clap Clap
@headrockbeats
@headrockbeats 8 лет назад
+Jack Means As a mighty pirate, I find your proselytizing to be highly offensive.
@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579
@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579 8 лет назад
Heathens! It is the undeniable truth that all shall bow down to the all-powerful Cthulhu!
@-SRM-
@-SRM- 8 лет назад
+Chester Snapdragon McPhisticuff Cthulhu!!
@VCheesey
@VCheesey 8 лет назад
But what if there's a god that will torture you if you believe in a god? Since that's just as plausible (same amount of evidence, after all) as a god that will torture you if you don't believe in them, then pascal's wager cancels itself out. (Edit: Alternatively, a god that tortures you if you believe in *any* god) For every theoretical god with a certain will (it wants you to believe in it) there is a theoretical god with an opposite will (it doesn't want you to believe in it, or any others). *So Pascal's wager always cancels itself out.* EDIT(x2): This argument is expanding Pascal's wager for *any* god. There's way more problems when one only applies it to the Christian god, like Pascal originally intended. (Thanks +Chris Seals) So basically, I'm just stripping Pascal's wager down to the risk/reward argument. (Thanks +N. Wasinger)
@soup2634
@soup2634 8 лет назад
and of course: what if one of the other religions (alive or dead) are/were correct?
@adamweishaupt3733
@adamweishaupt3733 8 лет назад
You just blew my mind.
@VCheesey
@VCheesey 8 лет назад
Logan White Then good for the people that believed that? I mean, if you want to pick a random religion to believe in because you have a feeling it's correct then knock yourself out. I'm just saying that pascal's wager is self-contradictory and not practically useful. I'm not asserting which religion is real.
@pandemiceloi.7275
@pandemiceloi.7275 8 лет назад
That's actually not plausible, because you are postulating that a god exists, therefore it is only logical to believe in such a god (one that exists). Such a god would be unjust in punishing you for using logical deduction to come to the conclusion that it exists, because you are created with the ability to deduce truth for the sake of your existence (a trait given to you by a creator god in your scenario). You win your day in court, or such a god would be a Lord of Chaos, and it really wouldn't matter what you believe. Pascal's Wager stands.
@soup2634
@soup2634 8 лет назад
To be clear: I mentioned that as a problem with Pascal's Wager. He was only thinking of his god. I don't see any evidence for any god so I'm atheist. :) And yes, most postulated gods are dicks ahah
@luckyscialdone3387
@luckyscialdone3387 8 лет назад
I just by chance stumbled onto this series, however I love it. It takes me back to Sophie's World.
@benkelly9295
@benkelly9295 8 лет назад
This channel is the most unbiased form of educational medium I've probably ever seen
@Vallavender333
@Vallavender333 8 лет назад
pascals waiger also assumes that there is just one religion in existence
@L4PointLinguist
@L4PointLinguist 8 лет назад
Which makes it kinda appropriate for this Crash Course, eh? ;)
@doriancostley9075
@doriancostley9075 8 лет назад
You can apply it to many religions as well. If there are 1000000000000... religions, believing in one of them is a better bet than not believing in any of them. If you don't believe there is 100% chance of punishment or nothing happening. If you believe in one, there is still a minuscule chance of being correct and getting rewarded.
@L4PointLinguist
@L4PointLinguist 8 лет назад
+Bernie Patt This is only true for religions which have as a part of their dogma the concept of imminent damnation without salvation through faith in the religion's dogma. That's actually a ridiculously tiny portion of religions - Christianity, Islam, and the few religions that have branched off from those. For the vast majority of religions in human history (many of which still exist) the entire notion of salvation is an alien concept. You might be better off wagering on Shintoism, Hinduism, Wicca, or most forms of Buddhism if they're right, but there is minimal consequence to betting against them even if they are right. People seem to forget that the threat of damnation was a recruiting tool Christians used to convert people from all over the world from their original religions, and *that would only work if the original religion didn't also damn you for abandoning it*. This is why I'm so disappointed Crash Course never delved into the philosophy of other religions. The atheist/Christian split in western discourse is so dominant that westerners tend to not even be aware anymore how much their arguments revolve around Christianity to the exclusion of basically everyone else in the world (with the sometimes exception of Islam).
@rcronk
@rcronk 8 лет назад
+Bernie Patt This is a statistics fail. The majority of humans on earth believe in the God of Abraham (Christian, Jew, Muslim). There are fewer than 10 major religions that account for the gods people generally believe in currently. Not 10000000000000 gods.
@chickadeestevenson5440
@chickadeestevenson5440 8 лет назад
or you could follow the wager a different way and follow the golden rule that seems to connect all major religions. Don't be a dickbag.
@BiggysLetsPlays
@BiggysLetsPlays 8 лет назад
My only issue with this video is not naming it "Indiana Jones and the Wager of Pascal"
@HebaAhmed-pw3ig
@HebaAhmed-pw3ig 8 лет назад
This course was absolutely amazing !! I've always wanted to read about philosophy but found it hard to understand yet this course made it much easier. .. Make some more philosophy courses pleeease
@Gitsie303
@Gitsie303 8 лет назад
I loved this series, thank you!! Great info, animation and narration :)
@iwannacomein
@iwannacomein 8 лет назад
Also: Pascal's Wager is a false dichotomy. There are not only two possible options.
@youbin152
@youbin152 8 лет назад
Well, if the question is "do u believe in god?" It sure sounds like a yes or no answer
@mouwersor
@mouwersor 8 лет назад
+you bin But what god? There are thousands of religions..
@pelonp3691
@pelonp3691 8 лет назад
even if you said "i dont know" it would be considered as a "no"
@tomshraderd4915
@tomshraderd4915 8 лет назад
+you bin But we're not talking about the question, it's about the wager. Pascal sets up a false dichotomy that either there is a God who values belief in him or there doesn't exist one. But these aren't the only two options, in fact there are infinitely many options, you are only constrained by your imagination. One thinker has put forth the idea of a god that rewards atheism but punishes belief. You can think of a god that doesn't care if you don't believe, but if you are a theist who doesn't believe in him in just the way he wants, he will punish you. Again, the possibilities are infinite.
@stiimuli
@stiimuli 8 лет назад
+iwannacomein umm....belief actually *is* a dichotomy. Either you believe or you do not.
@streglof
@streglof 8 лет назад
Pascal's wager pretty much applies to every religion or belief, so according to Pascal your best bet is to believe in every religion that exists or has existed, even if they contradict each other...
@isaacthek
@isaacthek 8 лет назад
more accurately, you believe in the religion with the highest pay off In respect to the others. If there's a relatively neutral end proposed for non believers in a religion (such as Judaism) then you can "ignore" that religion safely. Pascal never addresses anything beyond Christianity/monotheism because the idea of multiple gods us philosophically untenable to him. So your choices are basically the "big" three: (little) Judaism has no penalty for morally acting non believers, Islam is relatively benign as well. Only Christianity promises eternal hell for failure to believe (dudes, what's up with that?) so Christianity is the only proposition he works with on his wager.
@juandominguezmurray7327
@juandominguezmurray7327 8 лет назад
but the FSM, at least the versions that contains onions in their salsa, sends you to hell if you follow any religion or believe in a god, even in him. So if he exists, the best bet is to not believe in any god.
@juandominguezmurray7327
@juandominguezmurray7327 8 лет назад
With Wildhide ??? read the bible and see what happened to the people that believed in Ba'al... is worse to believe in a different god than to not believe in any god at all.
@alveolate
@alveolate 8 лет назад
if i'm not mistaken, pascal was basically okay with anyone with a decent faith, whether it was christianity or not. basically, you convert if you found out that some other faith had a greater chance of god-accuracy, but otherwise, your guess is as good as his. this is pragmatism without requirement, so only the ends really mattered.
@shenlim9794
@shenlim9794 8 лет назад
So even though we doubt it and we still fake it as we believed it just in case we got punishment? After all, if god really exists will he or she knows that we are faking ? XD ok i am just messing up with what i just learnt
@JoJoTheOtter
@JoJoTheOtter 8 лет назад
This has been such an amazing show. I have shared every episode on Facebook. I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown 4 года назад
My favorite part of this video is the clever placement of the Deep Thoughts By Jack Handy book as a desk prop!!
@TheLagiacrus1
@TheLagiacrus1 8 лет назад
Halt, stranger. Enter the comment section at your own peril. This shall be your only warning.
@davidvino6018
@davidvino6018 8 лет назад
+ArtoriusaurusRex Thanks for your wise advice, o- guardian of the comments. I shall step into the sea of comments with caution.
@alexismartinez-ih9rr
@alexismartinez-ih9rr 8 лет назад
i understand i shell be careful in the long and dangers road know as the comment section
@grumpycow3068
@grumpycow3068 8 лет назад
"In a video about religion."
@NoahTopper
@NoahTopper 8 лет назад
You missed another large flaw in Pascal's Wager. The idea that believing in God gets you a ticket to Heaven is an assumption: a HUGE assumption. Believing in the Christian God could easily get you sent to Hell by Allah if Islam turns out to be correct. Perhaps Allah would be less angry at people that don't believe in him than those who actively worshipped a false god. Pascal's Wager equally supports all religions. Most religions punish you for believing in a different religion, and picking a religion at random is unlikely to get you the correct one, so perhaps remaining neutral is the best strategy. And really, since we know nothing about God, there could just be a God that only rewards atheists, because he finds rationality to be a virtue, rather than faith. A terrible argument all around, especially since I don't think I could ever force myself to believe anything; I'd feel dirty and wrong even trying.
@youbin152
@youbin152 8 лет назад
Well, based off just the Christian interpretation, Hell is equal to everyone: the worst pain forever, so there probably isnt a tier system where atheists go to the 6th tier and false believers go to the first tier or something. However, if there are those kinds of religion (which is probably true considering the chances) then i see your argument panning out. It's a very rational way of thinking.
@AlcyonEldara
@AlcyonEldara 8 лет назад
Exactly, and then Pascal's wager doesn't work. Pascal's wager needs 3 "beliefs", and these 3 beliefs are equivalent to "God exists".
@NoahTopper
@NoahTopper 8 лет назад
Jeremiah B From Islam.org (not some source trying to attack Islam), a Jahil-e-Muqassir is a non-believer who is aware of Islam, and is thus damned to Hell. Source: www.al-islam.org/faith-and-reason-ayatullah-mahdi-hadavi-tehrani/question-13-non-muslims-and-hell. I'm sure there are some Muslims who think decent atheists can make it into Heaven. I'm also sure that this is not the traditional belief.
@NoahTopper
@NoahTopper 8 лет назад
Jeremiah B “This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10 “God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90
@cryptkeeper08
@cryptkeeper08 8 лет назад
As well as thousands of other religions some of which believe in a hell.
@unoquadKSB
@unoquadKSB 8 лет назад
Honestly, you guys do such a great job with this. So great in fact, that you've compelled me to comment! Please keep up the great work!
@stephanietierson4192
@stephanietierson4192 2 года назад
Please do more on the philosophy of religion! Super interesting stuff and love how u present everything in an objective non-biased way
@nordicducks4477
@nordicducks4477 8 лет назад
Pascal's wager is a false dichotomy, there isn't only one religion.
@terrelldeleon951
@terrelldeleon951 8 лет назад
+Nordic Ducks don't be daft, he's obviously just talking about belief in Ahura Mazda. Read your damn Avesta, it's all in the good book.
@nikkifeltman8523
@nikkifeltman8523 8 лет назад
Why do people think this works? If you believe in another religion, you do not believe in God. It's a simple yes or no question.
@comb528491
@comb528491 8 лет назад
However, all religions do seem to worship the same entity, and I'm not talking about the Abrahamic ones. Even polytheistic religions such as Hinduism believe all of their deities combine to form a superdeity. Other polytheistic religions seem to upgrade worshippers of said deity into deity-like status. In the end, all religions worship the same God.
@koneal2000
@koneal2000 8 лет назад
I mean, the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is the same God.
@woofwoofmolly
@woofwoofmolly 8 лет назад
+Nicole Feltman Which God?
@shrekogreton6405
@shrekogreton6405 8 лет назад
I'm pretty disappointed you didn't mention any of the major problems with Pascal's Wager. His wager assumes only one religion - likely Christianity - and disregards all of the thousands of others we've created. If you don't believe in Islam, for example, regardless of if you believe in god, you still go to hell. Since there are so many religions, all or most of which promising endless post-mortem torture to any who don't follow or believe in their tenets, then by sheer probability, we can *all* expect to have an unpleasant afterlife if even one of those religions is true, and there's no way to tell which one it might be. They can't all be right, but they *can* all be wrong. Also, considering many of those gods are jealous, the atheists are better off. Wouldn't a jealous god be more forgiving if you lacked belief in any gods than if you actively blasphemed and worshipped a false god your whole life? Yeah. Ultimately, it goes back to what Marcus Aurelius (might have) said: "Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
@Warriorpend2
@Warriorpend2 8 лет назад
It's not THE major problem, just a major problem. I can think of a few more. xD
@vampyricon7026
@vampyricon7026 8 лет назад
Which are?
@dwood2001
@dwood2001 8 лет назад
Except that many religious people believe that none of us live an adequately just life on our own, so that plan won't work either. You have to see yourself as being awesome in order to get to that view, which is a sin of pride in itself. The reason that Christians believe Jesus was necessary is because living a "good life" that is up to God's standards is virtually impossible.
@larrybobinski7156
@larrybobinski7156 8 лет назад
You didn't listen close enough... Pascal in essence said even if there is the tiniest .000000000000000000000001% chance that you could be believing in the correct god it is still better to take that minuscule chance than not to. So even if you pick the wrong god, from his point of view your still better off than not picking a god.
@Warriorpend2
@Warriorpend2 8 лет назад
Larry Bobinski Good point. I vaguely thought about that but for some reason that didn't register to me as a strong objection until you mentioned it.
@mindykb15
@mindykb15 11 месяцев назад
Of all the arguments in the philosophy of religion, I think Pascal’s is the most convincing
@Akshatgiri
@Akshatgiri 8 лет назад
I just love learning about philosophy. hearing both side of the argument teaches you so much..
@KishoreShenoy1994
@KishoreShenoy1994 8 лет назад
You said about Pascal's Wager, but about David Mitchell's view on this? He said "What if there is an afterlife but you only go to it if you are an atheist?"
@batmann6755
@batmann6755 8 лет назад
This guy gets it!
@Neutomy
@Neutomy 8 лет назад
That kind of goes against most of the atheists view on the world. If there was an afterlife for atheists, who or what put them there? What happened to the theists? If there was a someone or something, is this place Hell for not believing in them? A big problem to that is where do theists go and why would the atheists have afterlife when most atheist don't believe in one.
@salchichaconmma
@salchichaconmma 8 лет назад
the ultimate amazing irony
@batmann6755
@batmann6755 8 лет назад
Teanu Tamayo I don't have to have a ready answer for it. I'm doubtful any kind of afterlife exists, let alone any specific details. If we are totally honest then we admit that the prospect of an afterlife is so alien that if it were to be possible then anything would be possible. But as a pure hypothetical then life could be some kind of test to make sure that people don't delude themselves, so perhaps to join the afterlife society you need to prove that you aren't gullible enough to believe in god without evidence. If you fail the test then perhaps they kill you or cast you out or something equally hellish. Again it doesn't have to be realistic because there is no example of a logical afterlife given by theists either. There is no issues whatsoever with the assumption that there can exist an afterlife which favors atheists if afterlives can exist at all.
@Pranav-rp8wi
@Pranav-rp8wi 5 лет назад
@@Neutomy it'd be like a reward mechanism for critical thinking and rationality.. Matrix operators testing if we realize it's a matrix or not.. And theists will be dismantles by the space overlords
@ericjohnson6665
@ericjohnson6665 4 года назад
Indy’s leap of faith is one of my most favorite scenes! You kind of left out Indiana’s schooling by his father, which is to say, he was well versed in the mythology of Christianity. An enjoyable review overall.
@guilhermeadan2329
@guilhermeadan2329 6 лет назад
Just finished the unit from beggining. Outstanding introduction to the topic
@leoshevkun3645
@leoshevkun3645 8 лет назад
I'm really enjoying Crash Course Philosophy. Thank you so much for making these videos!
@oneofmanyscrubsontheintern3905
"I have faith in the things I have faith in"- Hank Green
@coureurdebois
@coureurdebois 8 лет назад
hey, the comments look good so far, no militant atheists claiming their belief is superior to Christians and no Christians telling people they are going to hell. woot woot. :D
@academicned6236
@academicned6236 8 лет назад
Just wait...
@michaelnewby6867
@michaelnewby6867 8 лет назад
+justin bouche You're goin to hell
@amarminhas202
@amarminhas202 8 лет назад
👌👌👌👌👊👊👌👌👌👌
@JAlanne
@JAlanne 8 лет назад
+justin bouche militant atheists, I think you are going to far. Militan christians try to denie people rights, militant muslims explode, militant budists shank people etc. Since when is commenting on the internet on a video about religion and reasons of believe something militant?
@uyaratful
@uyaratful 8 лет назад
+watbenikgoed Because it can severely hurt feelings of others
@Drunk-Jitsu
@Drunk-Jitsu 8 лет назад
I love the way this is presented. It's broken down way better than I typically do... mainly due to my constant Eye rolling and sighing when I have to describe it to people.
@SIRMEOWSALOTIsAwesome
@SIRMEOWSALOTIsAwesome 4 года назад
I did a project on Blaise Pascal for my Catholic Studies (CST) and I used this video to help me. Thank you!
@brandonhall6084
@brandonhall6084 8 лет назад
The problem with Pascal's wager is that it makes it seem like the choice is between believing in one particular god or Atheism. However there are many different gods/goddesses/deities that people have worshiped for centuries and you might end up believing in the wrong one. If all your basing your belief in is Pascal's wager you're taking just as big a gamble as the nonbeliever.
@rafaelramirezmorales
@rafaelramirezmorales 8 лет назад
+Brandon Hall Indeed the greatest problem of Pascal's Wager is that it limits the space of possibles to a universe with only one possible divinity. The wager becomes moot if the possibility of choosing one among many possible monotheistic divinities. And if one must consider a polytheistic supernatural cosmos, the logic matrix cannot even be constructed.
@isaacliu896
@isaacliu896 8 лет назад
unless of course there is one god among the many that apparently makes you a better person or a particular religion that makes you happier
@MultiMVirus
@MultiMVirus 8 лет назад
I don't believe in religion, but I'm still skeptical of multiple religions being a counter argument. If I have a 0.000000001% of going to heaven between religions or 0% with atheism, the smallest percentage is a reasonable risk.
@ELG0RD0TE
@ELG0RD0TE 8 лет назад
+Luna Malie Your counter argument is flawed too. What if God decides to reward atheist with heaven, or rational thinkining people? Or for the sake of argument, people who like their stake medium rare? We don't and can't know what the entry conditions would be for a random God, not just each believe but each and any action might be a deal breaker for him.
@NG-VQ37VHR
@NG-VQ37VHR 8 лет назад
+Jeremiah B hmm, when you say "you believe", you are implying that you have faith that there is this god you described. you have no evidence. you just believe there is, which is how faith can be descibed. you seemed to have sentenced yourself to eternal damnation with your not so well thought out comment. but I imagine you take this approach with the rest of your life. so it should not be much of a surprise to you. hopefully your brain is still developing and you still have plenty of time to work out a coherent philosophy on life. good luck with that by the way...
@birichinaxox9937
@birichinaxox9937 8 лет назад
these episodes have been so great. thank you
@plainjane8870
@plainjane8870 5 лет назад
Thank you to the creators of this show! I love watching these videos!
@kenbellchambers4577
@kenbellchambers4577 4 года назад
There are no creators, this video just spontaneously crawled out of the primeval slime.
@pietersmal5903
@pietersmal5903 7 лет назад
Great series! Thank you for sharing!
@yuudaemones2624
@yuudaemones2624 8 лет назад
"Today we conclude our unit on Philosophy of Religion" Thank the gods.
@tomnassau7520
@tomnassau7520 8 лет назад
Thanks folks. Here all week. Tips accepted.
@yuudaemones2624
@yuudaemones2624 8 лет назад
lol wut
@alialmans
@alialmans 4 года назад
@@emmawrites4533 The name of our lord and saviour shall be written "Dzeus" you heretic!
@IntegralDeLinha
@IntegralDeLinha Год назад
It was an absolutely great course!! I enjoyed it more than I can express! Thank you so much!
@sandrameesala6804
@sandrameesala6804 5 лет назад
I love Pensees. I read some of it during college and recently bought it myself. So happy that I did.
@newdove8113
@newdove8113 8 лет назад
These were very informative and helpful, thank you.
@somedatussr4323
@somedatussr4323 4 года назад
Pragmatism: when philosophers give up on trying to prove gods existence
@JudahRiggins
@JudahRiggins 7 лет назад
I love how this doesn't particularly sway your opinion he gives both sides and allows you to decide for yourself.
@theleafthinker3383
@theleafthinker3383 8 лет назад
This was a good episode, good job, thanks for the hard work.
@ThatBoomerDude56
@ThatBoomerDude56 4 года назад
It is, in fact, entirely possible, that there might now be a teapot orbiting between Earth and Mars -- in a Tesla Roadster. 😎😎
@kimhsamh7024
@kimhsamh7024 4 года назад
Starman needs some hot tea to keep him warm in outer space, you know how cold it gets there!
@unicomisMEI
@unicomisMEI 7 лет назад
This makes me wonder: Should I be pondering the existence of God when I have history homework to do?
@alvaradoac21
@alvaradoac21 6 лет назад
unicomisMEI Yes
@vijaynyaya6603
@vijaynyaya6603 4 года назад
I hope you watched the episode with existentialism.
@kenbellchambers4577
@kenbellchambers4577 4 года назад
If you want to really understand history, read the entire kjv with an open mind. This will also open the road to understanding virtually all literature better, as the bible appears everywhere in classical works. It also opens many other doors to better understanding of our times. This is urgent. So, yes, pondering the existence of God should be at the very top of your list, permanently. [Do not expect to understand it, because you won't, don't skip lists of names, pay attention and try to pronounce them, Later you will be greatly rewarded for your patience.]
@wojtekimbier
@wojtekimbier 8 лет назад
Thanks guys for your work on the series. I do enjoy wondering about the problems you bring out a lot being an atheist myself. All of your series, history, biology and others were a great watch as well but this made me jump on each new episode that I spotted.
@NoahJacobs22
@NoahJacobs22 5 лет назад
Awesome video you killed it at the end. Thank u. It's so hard to get people to do research and learn facts.
@rogue123987
@rogue123987 8 лет назад
Here's my two cents: Any God who will put me in hell for not worshipping them does not deserve my worship.
@oriselkirk2726
@oriselkirk2726 8 лет назад
Sounds like last weeks episode :P
@keynesthetic2275
@keynesthetic2275 8 лет назад
I agree.
@isillor529
@isillor529 8 лет назад
then you implicitly choose hell...that's not as useful as you thought huh?
@JustFollowJesus
@JustFollowJesus 8 лет назад
God won't destroy you in hell for not worshipping Him, He'll destroy you in hell because you refuse to let go of evil when He finally destroys it from the universe forever so that everyone can live with fullness of joy and pleasures forevermore, with no more pain or death.
@rogue123987
@rogue123987 8 лет назад
+jim gordon *Shrug* I can deal with that. I'd rather go to hell than abandon my ideals. 'Sides, a lot of my friends are either atheists or LGBT+ and I'd be happier spending eternity with them in without them in heaven.
@nargacuga4597
@nargacuga4597 4 года назад
I'm a religious person for 18 years since I was born. Being freed from religion was the most liberating thing that happened to me. All thanks to crash course philosophy and all the debates about religion that I watched on youtube. It really taught me how to think rather than what to think.
@redman0901
@redman0901 4 года назад
as a recovering religious zealot some odd 20 years ago, I understand this completely and while I have no beef with religion, I have a beef with hierarchical structure/designs, people who sit at the top of the pyramid and are considered infallible and speak for god/gov't/whatever it may be. Also you are 100% correct in that I hate that most people don't learn to think for themselves, I'd rather see someone think for themselves and be wrong than not to think at all. At least some are trying to break from from the world's cultural indoctrination.
@annabago8621
@annabago8621 4 года назад
Congrats 😁🎉👏
@ev6564
@ev6564 4 года назад
Watching philosophy videos and taking my two semester philosophy class has been made grateful to really know more about the Lord. Still, the most important thing is having a relationship with God, and not being stuck on religious rules and what other religious people tell you what to think. I do not know if you stopped believing in God along with freeing yourself from what others tell you to think. If so, I'm not going to lie, that does make me sad, but at the same time there is so much false doctrine we hear that people are quick to follow just because they are told what to think instead of how God wants us to think and see the world. I hope you do get close to God if you are not, and that it will bring you freedom and peace as it is doing for me, but that you will never be chained by false religious rules, false pro-God rules, false anti-God rules, and false traditions ever again!
@KingJaredoftheLand
@KingJaredoftheLand 8 лет назад
I always love the wind sound at the end of these videos, so perfect for notions of gods & philosophies & the objective mysterious truth that exists out there somewhere. I legit sit through the endorsements just to listen to the wind sound. It's bizarre.
@luc4lvar3s30
@luc4lvar3s30 8 лет назад
I loved all of those videos! A pity it ended. Keep it up CC!
@MilwaukeeAtheists
@MilwaukeeAtheists 8 лет назад
i fucking knew it was gonna be Pascals wager. lol. we would've been way better off now if Pascal spent the later part of his life contributing to mathematics instead of trying to prove god with an argument he knew was unconvincing
@academicned6236
@academicned6236 8 лет назад
He didn't try to prove God existence, you miss the whole point
@MilwaukeeAtheists
@MilwaukeeAtheists 8 лет назад
Well, you're right. He tried to argue for the belief in the existence of God. But he was still aware it was unconvincing
@academicned6236
@academicned6236 8 лет назад
Being unconvinced is the whole point
@NikolajLepka
@NikolajLepka 8 лет назад
I'm actually watching this at 11:30... talk about scary when he mentions the exact time you're at
@stefanocappelli
@stefanocappelli 8 лет назад
The odds of watching it at 11: 30 are 1: 1440 because there are 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day. (not taking into account that 11: 30 occurs twice in a day). With over 23,000 views, it is bound to happen to some people. I was watching this at 11: 20 so I was pretty close too. But it is a fun coincidence when these things happen to you.
@fahimaakhter2469
@fahimaakhter2469 8 лет назад
I enjoyed watching these videos. They were great. Thank you.
@Nixitur
@Nixitur 7 лет назад
I kinda love that one of the foremost guys in probability theory devised an argument for belief in a god rooted in bets and wagers. It just fits together so nicely.
@Arrakiz666
@Arrakiz666 8 лет назад
Kinda sad you didn't point out the biggest flaw in Pascal's argument- namely that there is no reason to assume that the one God that exists is a very specific version o the judeo-christian one. The one true god might be Allah, Brahman or Zeus and each of them is mutually exclusive- meaning they will all punish you with eternal torment for believing in a different god so you're, quite literally, damned if you do and damned if you don't, because the cost of being wrong is actually potentially eternal torment as well. What's worse, there's even no way to determine if god, if it exists, actually rewards belief. The god that exists might reward you with Heaven for something absurd like eating strawberry ice cream on Fridays. Or, worst of all, the god that actually exists might reward disbelief, taking into Heaven only those who explicitly denied it's existence. This is a bet that is simply impossible to take, because you don't really have all the information, you don't know the odds, at all.
@Alexaflohr
@Alexaflohr 8 лет назад
+Arrakiz666 A strange game. The only way to win is not to play.
@ANIME2020X
@ANIME2020X 8 лет назад
+Arrakiz666 I think it doesn't matter if there is one god or a council of gods. You said it, one cannot have all the information, thus, it doesn't matter if you said, I believe in one god (or a creator), and you gave a name to that god even if it is not the real name of it, after all, you don't have all the information, and if the god(s) understand that you don't (and maybe won't) have all the information, then it is okay to believe in one, two, or hundred gods. Assuming that a god will reward you for acknowledgment is equal to saying he/she/it won't reward you. But IF it rewards you, you won the bet, if it doesn't, you didn't lose anything (unless you go to a church or a mosque and waste your time praying meaninglessly).
@Arrakiz666
@Arrakiz666 8 лет назад
Sakatoki91 You didn't understand what I said did you? I said it's possible that there is a a god who will punish you for believing in it. So in actuality you can lose everything for believing in it and you have no way of knowing if that's the case or not. You don't know if the god will be merciful and will understand your lack of information, maybe it thinks you have sufficient information to make the decision. Maybe it's simply a cruel god and we all end up in Hell regardless. This is a bet in which it is impossible to tell the odds, believing in any particular deity is just as likely to end you up in Hell as disbelieving in it so the best course of action is to actually withhold belief. This is a fool's gamble. A gamble that only works as a scam. It is not an honest argument and not a gamble anybody should take.
@comb528491
@comb528491 8 лет назад
Well, Allah is the Judeo-Christian God translated into Arabic. But even then, I'm pretty sure that all religions worship the same God, in the end.
@Arrakiz666
@Arrakiz666 8 лет назад
comb528491 And you know that how exactly? That is demonstrably false given how the religions are mutually exclusive and the representatives of each will claim that believing in another god, who they claim to be a different entity, definitely, leads to your damnation. And it is impossible to say that the god that exists won't send you to hell *for believing in it* or even just for kicks. Are you willing to take the risk?
@Sleepy.Time.
@Sleepy.Time. 8 лет назад
Pascal was found dead in a pool of his own blood with a razor laying next to his corpse with the name "Occam" engraved on the blade.
@MSpencer1998
@MSpencer1998 8 лет назад
I liked this series because you were respectable when talking about religious beliefs. And for that, I'm very grateful. Thanks for the knowledge.
@MrFishateyokids
@MrFishateyokids 8 лет назад
I love these videos, thanks, Crash Course
@stephenrowley4171
@stephenrowley4171 8 лет назад
Also an all knowing god would know if your faking it or not.
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 8 лет назад
True.
@Amigo21189
@Amigo21189 8 лет назад
And an all-good one would be rather offended by such a mercenary bet.
@HeavyMetalMouse
@HeavyMetalMouse 8 лет назад
But wouldn't an all-knowing god understand that, due to you having limited information, you have to make your decision based on *something*? If such a god has withheld evidence, all that remains is pragmatism - and being offended that you're using what you're left with is rather disingenuous; if god is all-good, could he really be upset that you found your way to him, even if you did it through pragmatism rather than blind faith? To put it another way, what god would give you the tools to think, then be mad that you used them to justify belief in him? Unless this god actually just wants mindless followers acting in blind obedience, in which case I would begin to question his 'all-good-ness'.
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 8 лет назад
HeavyMetalMouse PREACH!
@MrTomemac
@MrTomemac 8 лет назад
But if this all knowing god wants to get you into his fold why limit your access to information about him? Also why extend this disparity so broadly. Being born in different places at different times meant you would believe in totally different gods, likely not this all knowing one. So he kinda shot himself in the foot right? Going by those test parameters I'd be inclined to call him a name I probably should not type in case a child reads this. Zeus didn't pull any of these stunts! And he might be around still. It is only by legal decree and not by actual celestial defeat that a lot of folk in the west worship that one god guy. What if Zeus won and he forgot to tell everyone? Or Odin? Or Baal? What if Marduk awaits? I haven't been offering 200 bulls to them monthly!
@jbz3
@jbz3 8 лет назад
I think you made a very clear case that this kind belief, especially using pascal's argument, requires a step away from reason.
@pandemiceloi.7275
@pandemiceloi.7275 8 лет назад
Pascal's Wager is not the sum of religious faith; it is a thought experiment. It is a merging of faith and logic.
@djr5995
@djr5995 8 лет назад
Faith and logic are about as miscible as water and oil
@pandemiceloi.7275
@pandemiceloi.7275 8 лет назад
Pascal, a mathematician and scientist of the highest historical order, was not strong in logical discourse?
@djr5995
@djr5995 8 лет назад
***** Forsooth! Great point comrade :) We now know that alchemy is bunkum [it has been totally replaced by chemistry done using the scientific method] but it was studied and practiced by Newton. Also, when he came to the limit of his understanding regarding the motion of the planets and the equations were not sufficient to describe the observed phenomena he then decided that the remainder must be the work of God. But, using Einsteins relativity we can now do those calculations on the remainder. It just goes to show that even the greatest of intellects is not immune to fallacious reasoning
@djr5995
@djr5995 8 лет назад
+Pandemic Eloi.7 Don't be silly. You have to reach level 9000 naivety to think Pascal's wager has anything to offer. For starters, it begs the question: by presupposing the existence of heaven and hell. If they don't exist [and I don't know why any intelligent, freethinking, and not brainwashed adult would believe they do...] then Pascal's wager is meaningless.
@Jakeoffski
@Jakeoffski 8 лет назад
Very excited for the next unit! :D
@jamesonjones6581
@jamesonjones6581 7 лет назад
regardless of what is truth or not I appreciate the seemingly unbiased approach he took to this, right or wrong you can't form a belief or opinion without knowledge of it, so I truly applaud these videos to get more knowledge out to the masses
@mesoforte
@mesoforte 8 лет назад
The problem with Pascal's Wager isn't that one god might exist, but there are an infinite amount of possible gods that might exist. God A might give eternal punishmemt and reward God B might not care God C might punish all God D might punish all born on a Sunday I could go on forever. Simple matter. Pascal's wager is impractical because it is a bet on infinity. It isn't even pragmatic.
@mesoforte
@mesoforte 8 лет назад
God C548 condemns all who worship with a crooked finger God Q987 only raises into paradise those who have webbed fingers
@cmckee42
@cmckee42 8 лет назад
+Mesoforte Nebulous Well, if you assume there is a god, to parse out which of those attribute of is more likely, the subject of study becomes Theology, and I think we are a few years away from CC Theology
@DexterousWings
@DexterousWings 8 лет назад
+Mesoforte Nebulous God 42 only atheists get to go to heaven.
@xenoblad
@xenoblad 8 лет назад
Of course it's pragmatic. Just look at all those Saudi kings with 20-30 wives and 50-140 kids following the Quran exactly which limits wives to 4. Try not using religion to do that! Checkmate athiests!
@drewfro666
@drewfro666 8 лет назад
+Mesoforte Nebulous This is actually a really great point. God A might decide that people who believe in him go to heaven and those who don't go to hell But it's just as likely God B sends people who believe in a God to hell while those who do not go to heaven.
@xXnotslyfoxhoundXx
@xXnotslyfoxhoundXx 5 лет назад
"Whether it's 11:30 and 11:40" *looks up* *clock says **11:40* Hol up
@Obi-Wen
@Obi-Wen 4 года назад
the clock can be set by our hands, so it is impossible not to doubt if the clock's "time" is correct. but we can't deny the "true" presence of time, at least in a pregmatist view.
@khynki6548
@khynki6548 4 года назад
Owen Xu Wtf
@Obi-Wen
@Obi-Wen 4 года назад
@@khynki6548 because it is more convenient to just accept and use time than deny it. but just don't trust clocks XP
@khynki6548
@khynki6548 4 года назад
@@Obi-Wen What are you talking about, the guy was joking
@Obi-Wen
@Obi-Wen 4 года назад
@@khynki6548 *just another kind of philosophical joke
@atomicnectar
@atomicnectar 6 лет назад
Loved this playlist great work
@greyhound681
@greyhound681 7 лет назад
Crash Course, thank you so much for this series. cheers and God blesss!!! :)
@LSCrazyCabCo
@LSCrazyCabCo 7 лет назад
what about the part where Indiana threw dirt on the last test?
@MrSirwolf2001
@MrSirwolf2001 4 года назад
He was looking for evidence of the existence of a way to cross.
@kenwhite8618
@kenwhite8618 4 года назад
He threw the dirt on after he crossed as evidence to others. In analogy, Indy traversed a gap in knowledge blindly, but discovering it's true nature, he left behind evidence as proof so that those that came after need not be blind with ignorance...
@popalupa4844
@popalupa4844 8 лет назад
That spinach looks suspiciously like weed.
@isaacliu896
@isaacliu896 8 лет назад
+Kris Hermstad *claps 420 times
@thomaskarnick9539
@thomaskarnick9539 8 лет назад
+Aaron Samuel if your pot makes you feel stronger then I think it's laced with something
@Kassidar
@Kassidar 8 лет назад
I take it you're a potist then ;p
@syaoranhien
@syaoranhien 7 лет назад
Lovely course guys This was a subject I was interested in but had scarce means to actually study and you gave me a window to a sea that I will mostly certainly look forward to drown in
@scoopearth811
@scoopearth811 8 лет назад
These videos have really changed the way I look at the world, for the better I believe.
@NotMeButAnother
@NotMeButAnother 8 лет назад
First video of the series a have a mid-sized criticism for: talking about Pascal's Wager without mentioning the false dichotomy of either god or no god vs. the multitude of mutually exclusive religions is a major oversight.
@comb528491
@comb528491 8 лет назад
In the end, all religions worship the same God. And I'm pretty sure All religions worship a God who loves an individual who searches for him.
@kimbouncesfish2463
@kimbouncesfish2463 8 лет назад
+comb528491 This is empirically false. Many religions do not require the belief in any gods such as Buddhism. Others require belief in multiple gods such as Paganism. Also, people are not religions. An individual theist can have many theological differences with other theists.
@comb528491
@comb528491 8 лет назад
KimBouncesFish I apologize for making it unclear. What I meant was that polytheistic religions such as Hinduism seem to believe that their Gods combine to form some superdeity. Other religions seem to upgrade worshipers of the deity to deity-like status. My guess is that all religions started out the same, but simply evolved.
@DocEonChannel
@DocEonChannel 8 лет назад
But it was mentioned. It's the last point he makes in the video.
@comb528491
@comb528491 8 лет назад
***** Ah, an interesting point. I was referring to the Hindus. I see the reverse as happening. They first worshiped a monotheistic deity, and then started ascribing different personalities, started dividing this entity up to fit their worldview, and then started promoting Human worshipers of this deity to Godlike Status (Kinda how the Christians do with Jesus), and then, finally, went down to spirits after everything got weird.
@K_Huss
@K_Huss 8 лет назад
where is the next episode ?
@Ansonidak
@Ansonidak 4 года назад
Surprisingly well done. Going in I was sure I would have complaints, but I have none
@TCKKR
@TCKKR 7 лет назад
I love how this is PBS, 'cause this is really a public service.
@CMichaelEH
@CMichaelEH 8 лет назад
You should do a Crash Course Theology and then only talk about philosophy
@melodydashora4387
@melodydashora4387 5 лет назад
Start with video one - you will understand what Philosophy is and then you may understand a bit better.
@seermayton-el3488
@seermayton-el3488 5 лет назад
The teapot: "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!!!!!"
@fazeedkotta2580
@fazeedkotta2580 6 лет назад
This is what I have been thinking all my life! So happy it is a real argument and not something I just made up!
@StrangerYann
@StrangerYann 8 лет назад
Last but not least, super interesting dude, thanks a bunch you rock my world and you slowly [but surely] make me a tiny bit better of a person :D
@ErasedFromExistance
@ErasedFromExistance 8 лет назад
Actually according to many religions believing in god CAN still get you the ticket to hell if you believe in the wrong god.
@mouwersor
@mouwersor 8 лет назад
+Pseudo Nyymi But my god is the one true god!
@turtleneckson2745
@turtleneckson2745 8 лет назад
There's still the chance. "Of all the religions, if my religion is right, then I'll go to heaven." However, not believing in anything leaves you with a lower chance of good outcome.
@helenwhs
@helenwhs 8 лет назад
Then there is little point in believing, as they can't all be right.
@ErasedFromExistance
@ErasedFromExistance 8 лет назад
Turtle Neckson Unless there is a god who doesn't want us to believe in any god. Literally anything is possible. You can't predict the odds on faith.
@starshipfantastica
@starshipfantastica 8 лет назад
That is why I feel the best bet for Pascal's wager is to be agnostic. I believe there is a some sort of a basic god but I am not sure what was the right one. This way regardless of what type of god exist you have a better argument to avoid a hell and get into a heaven then an atheist or a faithful believer of the wrong religion.
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