Indirectly Moving Your Maxilla (Forward and Up) 

Thank you! That’s what I aim for: a reasoned approach to guiding and controlling bodily movement.

Like almost all self proclaimed posture experts, it’s a lot of opinions with no research cited to back up claims

@@1091Floyd21 🤓 Yeah that's how fields move forward, the research comes after the claims not before. Even the hard science of physics and math, something is proposed and even taught long before it's conclusively studied. You can look at the plausibility of a theory and compare it to existing research/extrapolate it from existing knowledge. Fascias role in the body is also new research, though many eastern practices seem to align to the modern research (ie Alexander method posture aligns to Tai Chi or Qi Gong standing poses, and Whole Body Breathing posture/breathing aligns to yogic inhale/exhale understanding)

@@1091Floyd21 I’m not a scientific researcher, but I do work with a large number of students, and I’ve learned from people who have taught vastly more students. The claims I make are backed by observations made in that teaching, and I basically always have some reasoning behind any claim that I make. Essentially all scientific studies on posture are done on people with poor posture (according to the model I support). So in my view, most of that research is useless. If you want to look at this from a strictly scientific lens, then what I’m doing is generating a hypothesis that can be tested, as well as furnishing both experimental evidence and reasoning that show why that hypothesis is worth studying. But most people that have postural problems don’t want to wait decades or centuries for the scientific community to validate an idea, they want something that works. I do believe everything I’m saying will be vindicated by scientific research, but for that research to even be done, there have to be people with good posture (according to the model I support) to study. So if you only want to do something that can be backed by citations, I cannot satisfy that (though I do sometimes cite scientific research, like Sarrafian's Anatomy of the Foot and Ankle in regard to the foot and ankle). But I'm happy to put the work of the people I cite as well as my own teaching up against the scientifically-backed postural interventions that are out there. Then we'll have to have the debate of what determines good posture, since of course there is no posturometer that detects good vs bad posture. Do you think there's scientific evidence that backs some other intervention? Because I claim that you will not find such a thing. The majority of medically-backed postural interventions do not produce something desirable and there are blatant problems in the common models that exist. Poor posture is not a problem that has been solved by the scientific community (that's why it's such a massive problem and only getting worse). I'm certainly willing to have that debate, if you'd like.

That's interesting, may I ask what advice you took in particular?

@@jeffsmithdawg Head should be slightly tilted forward when standing straight. Think of it like this, if you are about to fight someone, when you stare them down, your head's position feels more natural when slightly tilted. This will also give you hunter eyes. You will also notice this feels natural when driving your car or motorbike at high speeds. You will naturally tilt your head a little bit and go into super focus mode.

@@crocr You mean move the head forward in space, or tilt the angle up? What your saying is nonsense that wouldn't modify your bones around the eye area... If anything tilting the head down while looking up covers eye which would contribute to that look but that is just temporary effect and of course, doesn't really change anything...

What's your age

Bro didi you also do mewing and I wanted to know did mewing give you hunter eyes or only the head posture

What is the scientific evidence that convinced you that the posture that the Mews support is correct? I have many videos on my channel that explain why I think the model I support is better. I can’t include all that in every video, but a few things to consider. Where does the airway go? If you pull you head back, your pharynx will be moved back relative to the airway in the lower throat, essentially causing a kink in the airway. When you combine in lifting the tongue, you will be shutting the airway even more, since you will lift the larynx. Having the tongue and larynx lifted is what we do when swallowing (if you put your hand on your larynx and swallow, you will feel it go up), since we need our airway closed when swallowing (so food doesn’t go into the airway). It also opens the esophagus. We don’t want to be breathing in a way that opens the esophagus and partially closes and kinks the airway. Retracting the head will coincide with the upper torso going back in space, which will bend the torso, protrude the abdomen, and make the fascia of the body limp instead of taut as it should be. I don’t want you to get your head forward and up in order to move the maxilla, in my view, moving the head forward and up relative to the torso is essential to getting the fascia and muscles of the head, neck, torso, and entire body to function properly. The added bonus is that, when the fascia and muscles are working right, they will widen the palate and move the whole head, including the maxilla forward and up. When the head is forward and up, there is no kink in the airway, so breathing will no longer be impaired. But this is only worthwhile if the torso is lengthened at the same time. If you’ve adopted Mew’s advice on posture, I would guess that you have a hollow back and protruding abdomen. I obviously can’t see you, but you can take a picture of yourself from the side and see. Where is your abdomen? Is it out over your toes? Is your back hollow or full? You may very well have improved over your starting point by engaging your tongue and doing some exercises of the muscles of your face. But are you sure you’ve improved as much as you could? Are you sure your general body posture improved at all?

interesting, thanks for adding!

Chin tucks exert more force on the maxilla.

I’m not sure what moving the ribs “in” means in your comment. The shoulders are forward, but they are forward and out. They are not pressing on the ribs at all. Chin tucks are a shortening contraction that goes completely against what the Mews say is good. I don’t understand the desire to practice pulling your face (and maxilla) backwards, forming a double chin, and closing your airway.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I never understood it either, but after doing it, I felt the pressure against the Maxilla increasing. I did it solely because of that, and then after a bit, I felt my posture becoming better as well.

In some ways it’s simple, but it is also complicated. The whole body is connected, so if there’s a problem in one spot, the rest of the body must compensate for that. Trying to correct a problem in any one spot will require changes across the entire body.

If someone isn't even citing current research to support their hypothesis, then it's very likely they're wrong. 6:38 - guy on the left looks like he's good spinal posture... guy on the right looks like a tool! I bet the girls are lining up for him!

Do people that go to the gym consistently have good posture though? I know many people who go to the gym who not only have self-admitted terrible posture, but also have pains and other injuries that have resulted from how they’re using their body at the gym. Perhaps that’s why you say to become strong in a “balanced way.” How do you know if you’re succeeding at doing that? How does a person make sure they’re using themselves in a balanced way? Those are pretty crucial questions to answer. But your statement that working out in a balanced way will “shorten your muscles” is very misguided. Poor work out habits will involve you shortening your muscles to strengthen them, but that will restrict your range of motion and damage your posture, not get you better posture.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 most people don’t even train legs, and, if they do, most don’t deadlift. They are not balanced at all. That’s why I mention professional athletes. Yes, getting stronger will limit your range of motion some what. Not as much if you stretch The more explosive your muscles are, the shorter. On the opposite side, people who are very week and have no muscle usually have very high mobility and flexibility. I wouldn’t argue this is as great as it sounds. Most pain comes from having weak lower back, glutes and hamstrings from sitting all day. The second most common source of pain is the knees. People who workout actually have worse knees but experience less pain than people who don’t exercise. Having knees in worse shape was probably linked to the type of exercise more than just exercising in general. I will say that working out in a balanced way is hard for beginners, mostly due to the mirror effect. I recommend focusing on the opposite more, back and hamstrings.

The reason people have problems in their knees is because they allow their midsection and pelvis to spill forward. This puts the weight of the body on the front of the knee, but the knee is reenforced at the back. This also explains the hamstring problems that many people have: their weight is on the front of their foot and their leg extensors are habitually shortened. This is why many people can’t put their heels flat on the ground if they sit up and are not way back in their chair with their legs disengaged. No amount of exercises that are performed while shortening will fix this issue in the extensors. You can make your extensors strong, but if you’re constantly shortening them (and shortening them more to strengthen them), you will continue to have these problems. If you're conceding that shortening exercises reduce range of motion, then how can you claim that working out will fix your posture? Some weak people have decent range of motion, but I've worked with plenty of weak people who had very limited range of motion. Most people, strong or weak, have a lot of trouble shifting their weight to the backs of their knees and into the heels at first. The problem really isn't one of strength, it's of coordination. If you prioritize strength over range of motion that's perfectly fine, but you will be susceptible to all the health problems associated with poor posture even if you're strong. Whereas if you learned to lengthen and widen your torso to correct your posture and lifted weights, you could get the benefits of both without the downside of habitually shortening.

Yes, laying down can tend to cause one to pull their upper sternum back - which when you’re horizontal means pulling your upper sternum down relative to your lower sternum. This can be mitigated somewhat by putting a large blanket under not just the head, but under the upper end of the ribcage.

I can't explain the entirety of the model I use in every video, but a lot of the things you've mentioned have been addressed in other videos I've put out. I'll leave a couple links at the end of this comment if you want to go in depth on my arguments. I am presenting a model that is different from what you've seen before. You talk about forward head posture, but you really need to be clear on what you mean by that. It seems like you're focusing in on the head and neck, but from my view you must consider the torso as well. Is it possible for the head and neck to be out of place, but for the torso to not compensate? If not, then obviously the torso is relevant. It might even be that the head and neck are out of place because the torso is out of place--that is bent and crumpled. What you will see in every picture of someone with genuine "forward head posture" is that their upper sternum is back relative to their lower sternum: their ribcage is tilted back at the top and shoved forward at the lower end. This is why you'll see people with so-called forward head posture who have their lower sternum and lower ribs forward of their head (meaning their head is really not all that forward, their posture might be better described as "forward midsection posture"). You can't just leave the rest of the body out of your analysis. The posture I point to as good in this video shows a vertical sternum: that is something you will not see in someone with so called forward head posture. There is no relaxing into a slumped forward neck, the head must be forward and up, which can only be sustained by a full back. If you try to actually coordinate the movements needed to produce this posture, you'll see it's not easy at all, and is certainly not something you can relax into (though be sure not to cheat, the head must go up as it goes forward and the ribcage must not come down towards the pelvis) You ought to look at what you consider to be good posture. Why is the lower back bent? Why is the back hollow? What does that do to the thoracolumbar fascia? Why is the midsection out over the feet? Why is the ribcage tilted back just as it is in those with FHP? As for your argument on chin tucks, I find it odd that you want the tongue against the roof of the mouth. I would say you only want the tongue against the roof of the mouth when you're swallowing. When you're swallowing, your airway needs to be closed and your esophagus needs to be open. Why would you want to stay in swallowing mode when you're breathing? You want your airway open and your esophagus closed when you breathe. You also must understand that chin tucks, even according to those who advocate for them, do not put you in optimal posture. You're supposed to form a double chin when you do a chin tuck, and obviously no one wants to induce a permanent double chin. So when you say: "Even if you would do so just to get the maximum out of the muscles of your face to grow the maxilla forward in a shorter period of time, that posture is still incorrect and you would have to fix it later, but at that time it could have become a problem." that actually directly applies to chin tucks. The only difference being that obviously a chin tuck would move the whole face and maxilla back not forward. Do we want our maxilla to go back? What I advocate for is not to make an undesirable set of movements in order to build muscles. That's what I'm totally against. I want people to make the corrected concerted movements of the torso, neck, head, and entire body in order to get the fascia of the body working. I never recommend making wrong actions to build muscle. But that is what the chin tuck crowd supports. You should also consider the shape of the airway. If you pull your head backwards in space, what does that do to the airway? Where does the airway connect into the lungs? Where does it connect into the nasal and oral cavity? Sleep apnea and other breathing problems are largely caused by people closing their airway by retracting their head. Even people with so-called forward head posture are typically retracting their head relative to their lower sternum and their larynx - which kinks the airway and interferes with the breathing mechanism. In a hospital, someone with serious respiratory issues will have their head and upper back elevated to the point of their ear being in line with their sternum - that's because this mechanically opens the airway. Pulling your head back, as in a chin tuck or the standard model of good posture, causes the ear to be behind the sternum, not in line with it - restricting the airway. Lastly, you say what I advocate for will not move the maxilla, and that is obviously false. If you move where the head sits in space to get it both up and forward, you will move the maxilla in space forward and up. You can argue against that movement if you'd like, but I don't see how you can reasonably dispute that the maxilla will move. Once your skull and neck are in their correct position relative to the torso, the fascia and muscles in this area will function properly and will tend to pull the maxilla towards its correct spot. Whereas constantly pulling the head back (and ultimately down), which is what the FHP/chin-tuck crowd suggests, will make the fascia of the head, neck and torso limp, leading to a collapse of the structure of the skull. It's just like the torso itself, which can collapse and crumple as a result of the bony structures (the ribcage and pelvis) being habitually moved out of place. I understand that you've accepted the standard model, and so the fact that I'm saying something different means your first impression is naturally that what I'm saying must be wrong. But I invite you to actually look at my arguments and look at the arguments that support your side. Interrogate your side just as you interrogate mine. I'm always happy to answer questions. What I'm presenting is not my original research, I'm putting forward the ideas of Francois Delsarte, F.M Alexander, and Jeando Masoero. I've studied the issue for many years now, and in my view it's quite clear that their work and their models are much more accurate than anyone else's. ru-vid.com/group/PLS9hwTssXHJbjM3a4cjYLsTsn5FLElNJo ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dGnJh12JXs8.html

In my view, the palate is held up by the fascia and muscles of the head, neck, torso, and entire body. Your tongue, which must move around when speaking and eating, should only go to the roof of the mouth when swallowing. This is because when the tongue goes up, it will lift the larynx with it, partially closing the airway. That happens because when you’re swallowing, you don’t want food to go into your airway. Keeping your tongue on the roof of the mouth will tend to open the esophagus and, as I said, partially close the airway. Chin tucks will tend to kink the airway back.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147larynx goes back when mewing if you keep the back 3rd engaged

Also, does your theory also affect chin recession? Do you think that having the posture you say its good, will also improve chin recession and make the chin to be where its meant to be? Thanks

I’ve seen a few videos from Conor Harris. What you’ve written here about the forward rib movements being something people erroneously do to improve their posture, but which actually worsens your posture is right. However, I think Harris’s paradigm is largely wrong. Having your head forward is not the problem, and pushing your lower ribs forward will typically cause you to pull your head back, not put it forward. In every case, it will cause the sternum to be angled (back at the top, forward at the lower end). In my view, trying to parse out what’s right for the head without understanding first what needs to happen to lengthen and widen the torso and the back in particular is a mistake. Your head is supported by your torso. If your torso is bent and shortened, your head will lack support and it will fall backward or forward. For more information and explanations check out my other videos. If you have any questions, just drop them in the comment section. Yes, the system I use is very relevant to chin recession. Most people have a shortened distance between their chin and their larynx. This interferes with breathing and often looks bad. Moving the head forward and up (the up part being crucial) can dramatically change how the lower part of the head looks from the chin all the way back along the jaw to the ear. But as I said, sustaining changes in the head depends on changes in the torso and entire body. Postural problems are not isolated. No one has a problem in just their chin, jaw, or knee. If any part of the body is out of place, the rest of the body has to compensate for that. That is why a whole body solution is the only way, and that includes your mind. Changing your posture is not really about stretching or strengthening, it’s about understanding how to use your body correctly, which is as much a mental problem as it is a physical one. Most people are mentally disconnected from their body and just do whatever feels comfortable and right. But once you start reasoning about how you use your body, you can control how you move, and genuinely change your posture.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 sorry for the late response. I understand your point but how is it then that so many people that had bad posture but moved into having a "straight posture", gained so much facial development? How is it that they fixed their chin recession, maxillary bone lack and went from having a "droopy" face to having a more upward, and a more strongly held into place with bigger and more pretuverant bones face? In my case, i have what is the so called text neck posture, forward posture or rounded shoulders posture. My neck sticks forward creating a massive hunchback and making my vertebrae bone to stick out, while having my upper back sticking backwards and my lower forward again, kinda like an S letter but reversed, or maybe like the ripple of a snake. Im apparently kinda having the posture you advertise as correct, however i've never found to have any improvementes into my facial structure... For you to understand, i have exactly the same face as the Mews picture in their schemes as nose breathing face, kinda like this: "mewing.coach/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/mewing-tutorial.png". I've been mewing since a year and a half ago and i feel deceived as my situation hasnt improved at all. My face is still as droopy as it always was, kinda like if there was bone mass that is missing in a lot of areas, like in my chin, maxilla, cheekbones, browridge... It looks like if my face was way more affected by gravity than the rest of the people or something because it looks like its attracted down and down into the floor. My nose sticks out a lot making a hooked nose shape wich i hate. I have to say that i have a lot of mess going on in my body, i have cavus feet, inward shaped knees and the rest in the upper... I dont even know if having a sharp, and strong face with big bones is what i should have, i dont know if mewing is actually the key to fixing this or it is cap. I want to achieve my maximum potential. If my face was just a little bit more strong, not so undeveloped and recessed, ill probably have hunter eyes and all, because my mom is pretty beatiful facially, but im not because of this.

@@fachero_tv6624 Going into the typical head and shoulders back posture will sometimes be an aesthetic improvement over someone’s very bad posture, but I’ve not seen evidence that a considerable number of people have a major change in their face from adopting that posture. If someone is engaging the tongue more (even if it’s in a suboptimal way) or doing extra chewing to build up their jaw muscles, that can change the face a bit, but not usually all that much. Many “after” pictures related to “facial growth” show someone who is pulling the top of their head back and pushing their jaw forward. This can change the appearance a bit, but it’s not really fixing the problem (and can cause other problems as well). What you described as your posture is not at all what I’m describing as optimal. I’ve tried to be clear that the condition of the torso is primary. If you have a bend forward at your lower back and a tilting back and down of the back of the ribcage, that is completely counter to what I recommend for the torso. When your back is bent, as you described, the head is not being supported by the back and it will droop. Your head may be forward, but it’s forward and down. It may also be the case that though your head appears forward, it’s really just forward relative to the upper sternum being pulled very far back (which is part of what forms the S shape). It’s pointless to try to adjust the head until you get the torso in better condition, as the only way to sustain the head up is to have the support of the back. The problems in the feet, knees, and rest of the body are factors in what happens with the face. You need the fascia of your body to function properly in order to stop drooping. it’s not just the face that droops, if you have an S spine as you described, your pelvis is likely drooping forward and down over your feet as well. The pulling back of the mandible that creates the recessed chin is the result of the habitual movements you’re making with your entire body (and also the habitual movements you make with the mandible). The way to change this is to take control over your movements and move differently. You need to move the bones in such a way that the fascia is made taut, and then your muscles can gain appropriate leverage from the fascia. I have many students who have a significantly recessed chin. Most modern people have a recessed chin to some degree, some just have it very bad. Many students are surprised to see that adjustments to the torso have an effect on their chin. The distance between the chin and the larynx increases even without them doing something specific to that area. This is because they're making their fascia taut, and that causes the musculoskeletal system to function different - it takes you back towards what’s natural, and that means the chin will move out of its recessed position.

​@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 So your saying that mewing is useless an unnatural? Do you think that just by adjusting the entire body to the way you say its correct, its enough to change the whole body structure including facial structure? Is mewing something bad or counterintuitive? Do you recommend to do it even with a completely perfect posture as you show? The students you have that fixed their posture, actually had their bones to move and grow or something? Or was it just posture of their head that changed allowing to show more distance from the chin to the laryinx, more protuverant bones and all? Does changing the body posture and movement make the bones to adapt and get smaller or bigger, to develop more or less? Is there actually a specific way or faces should be? Should they be developed, sharp and strong? Or is it just a myth and theres not really a need for having faces like that? Does modern life make ourselves to have all these problems that mess up ouselves?

Bringing the scapulae closer to the spine will mean my shoulders and upper back are narrowing. Why would I want to narrow my upper back? I would say you want as wide of an upper back as is possible.

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@@deleted_handle bro tellin us stay at nerd posture shoulders + neck forward tf

I think the piece you're not understanding is the most crucial one - the torso. Go look at a picture of someone with "nerd neck" and "rounded shoulders." Really examine their torso. You'll see it has a massive bend that causes the midsection to go forward and the ribcage to tilt back and down at the back. The upper sternum will be very far back. That is what causes that posture to be such an issue. If you have your upper sternum pulled back and your neck forward and down, you will look and feel pretty bad. What I'm advocating for in this video is clearly different if you spend a little time examining the torso. When the torso is properly organized, the head can be suspended forward and up (the up part being utterly crucial).

The image there is edited to reorganize the parts of the body more towards what I would say is optimal on the right. You say he looks hunched over, but I’ve edited it in such a way that he’s clearly taller on the right. I’ve literally just cut the image and rotated it forward and up. I do understand why it appears closer to what you might think of as hunched, but I think you should question that assumption that a head being forward is necessarily hunched. Hunched typically means forward and down with the head, not forward and up. While I do understand why you would say the left picture looks closer to what’s typically called good posture, does it not seem like his head is pulled very far back in the image? Even those who support the standard model would likely say he looks a bit pulled back there. Do you see that his eyes are pointed on an angle upwards? Do you see that his face is well behind his lower sternum and the front of his ribcage? Look at the ears. In my edit, his ear is upright. In the genuine image, his ear is tilted back and down. In my view the standard model of posture is wrong, and I’m using Jeando Masoero’s model, which I think is much more accurate. So yes, the image on the right is what I’m saying is closer to optimal (although obviously, since it’s an edit, it’s not perfect).

I think you need to interrogate a couple of assumptions you’re making. The posture I support does not lead to kyphosis. I completely understand why you think it looks that way, but you need to look closer. Go look at images of people with kyphosis. You will not find a single actual person with kyphosis who does not have their sternum tilted back at the top (that is, their upper sternum is back relative to their upper sternum). The posture I support has a vertical sternum. Those with kyphosis will also have a bent lower back, which the posture I support does not have. You’re assuming that if the head goes forward it has to go down because that’s what you’re used to seeing. But the head can go forward and up if it’s supported by a lengthened back and not a bent, shortened back. You say the body is designed to be in a straight line. Let’s assume that’s true, can you show me a picture of someone who you think has good posture who does not have their lower ribs, abdomen, and the front of their pelvis pushed forward out over their feet? You’ve focused in on the head, but take a look at the midsection. You will see that what’s considered “good posture” shows people who are pushing their midsection forward. That is not a straight line. Why is it okay to have the midsection off the line, but not the head? The midsection is larger than the head. From your perspective, that should throw you more off balance. What’s better than trying to balance your body over some imagined straight line is to move into a posture where your fascia is made taut. That way your fascia can provide mechanical advantage to your musculature and keep you lengthened instead of bent. You advise people to assume a neutral posture, but I would really be curious if you can specifically describe what that looks like. Can you find a picture of someone in neutral posture? Double check their midsection. Is it out over their feet? Are their lower ribs forward of their face? Is their lower back bent? If so, why? Is that neutral? Is that a straight line? You’re right that very few of us in the modern world have good posture. Part of the reason for that is that most of the popular ideas around posture are wrong and in some cases totally backwards. I understand that I’m presenting something unusual, but I do recommend really taking some time to examine the images I’ve put forward and the images that are out there to represent other postures. You might find some of your assumptions are not right.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 listen body I'm not an expert on the subject but I know a thing or two and maybe you are on to something and also maybe you are dead wrong. Because your idea is going against every physician word. I'm just saying this subject need more research before you can be certain it is safe because I'm worried in all honesty. I hope you know it's nothing personal it's just very important subject (posture is very impactful for health and looks) so we got to play it slowly but surely

I agree that attempting to strengthen or stretch specific muscles is a fool’s errand. You say that’s not possible due to lack of mind-body connection. Then you say that yoga will fix the problem. Does the mind-body connection problem have no effect on how you perform the yoga positions? Do people all of a sudden have great control over their movements once they take up yoga? Or do they bring their poor habits of movement in, and use those poor habits to accomplish the various asanas? I’ve known many people that did yoga, some were teachers for 10+ years. While I have no issue with yoga in the abstract, I’ve never seen it correct someone’s posture. I’ve also known many teachers who ended up needing hip surgery as they got older. If yoga was effective at correcting posture, shouldn’t experienced yoga practitioners be protected from such problems? To be clear, I do not teach the common form of the Alexander Technique that exists today, which I would say has serious flaws. In my view, what I teach could easily be applied in yoga to prevent undue shortening and narrowing during one’s practice. Whereas, I highly doubt that simply doing yoga will make it so that someone can stand up out of a chair without using momentum or leaning extremely far forward. The difference being that yoga is specific. It may have benefits that go out into the rest of your life, but it does not train you to understand how to use your body. It seems you don’t even believe that because you did not put forward any rational aspect of yoga. What I teach is general, it’s about understanding the basic gestures that make up all activities, and gaining the skill to guide yourself through the gestures using your conscious mind. I understand why you would say the atypical posture that I displayed in this video looks wrong to you, but you didn’t give an argument as to why it’s wrong. The model I use is based on the idea of lengthening and widening the fascia of the body. Can you explain what model you think is better and why? You claim that yoga will allow full range of motion, and that the Alexander Technique can’t get that full mobility. I would contend that the version that I teach (the Initial Alexander Technique) certainly gains one significant range of motion that the vast majority of yoga practitioners demonstrably do not have. Even something as simple as moving the pelvis back in space while leaning the torso (without dropping the ribcage, shoving the lower ribs forward, or retracting the head) is something most people, even those that do yoga, simply could not do. They could learn to so, but most people, and I’ve certainly had students with a history of various athletics including yoga, cannot even come close without some rational training. My point being, while someone may bend or make some impressive specific gesture while doing yoga, that skill doesn’t actually create the full range of motion that you might think it does. I would bet many people that do yoga would have trouble even just manipulating their torso for a small amount of lengthening or extending their arm while it hangs at their side. This is because you are not forced to fully confront and move outside of your habits to do yoga. You increase your mobility and range of motion, but remain locked into certain habits of shortening and narrowing. I would certainly leave the caveat that perhaps the truly great yogis have overcome their habits to a considerable degree, but I would dispute the idea that your average person will overcome their habits from doing yoga.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Reading back over my comment it screams "you're wrong I'm right". What it should say is from my experience, I think that yoga is the best for addressing imbalance in the body. I think the breath work is what helps yoga work. Its when we fully exhale and the rib cage and pelvis return to neutral that we can begin to address the maladapted shortened and lengthened muscles. If we are stuck in flight or fight mode, then just doing yoga poses will get you no where I agree. I think the body's natural resting state is balance, but through our daily routines we get stuck in certain biases that lead to pain. We have to first learn to relax our breathing getting proper full exhales and then learn to breathe in properly with the diaphram. Only then will yoga poses increase our mobility. Thats why many physical therapists teach proper diaphramatic breathing before doing exercises, because in order for the exercise to work, you must be in a state that allows us to adapt. We often are stuck in bad positions which we call posture because we have forgot how to relax. I think yoga gives the best routine to address imbalance in pain because it uses breathing to get the body to relax, and then uses all the necessary exercises to return to a good sense of strength and mobility. What I like about it to is that with just 20 minutes a day, I don't have to worry about fixing any poor biases in my body because my yoga practice addresses first, the bodies tendency to get stuck in fight or flight mode which locks us up in a state of bad posture, and then works through all the necessary movements to regain healthy mobility. Also I have no experience with utilizing alexander technique to address my own problems so saying that yoga is better was wrong to do.

@@TracyMilitello I’m sure you can understand some people do come to debate the topic, so that’s how my response was framed. I guess you just wanted to share your experience with yoga. I think anything that gets you to think about your body is probably going to lead to some benefit in comparison to doing nothing. It sounds like you’ve had some relief from stress and essentially an improvement in the function of your nervous system. That's great, but I would say, in my experience, I have not seen yoga significantly change someone's posture for the better, though it may have other benefits.

To some degree, although I would say that correcting your posture is not done purely through will power. You have to use your reasoning capabilities to understand what you’re working towards, and you have to use visual feedback to verify that you’re actually moving in the right direction. If you just impersonate what you’ve seen, you aren’t likely to get very far, whereas if you understand the coordinated movements that improve your posture, and you verify that you are orchestrating those movements accurately when you direct yourself to, you will take control over your posture and change right in front of your eyes.

If you're looking for a more basic starting point, feel free to check out the playlists on my channel.

Yeah this is an interesting idea but that seems to be about it. Looking at athletes like Olympic Weightlifters who have good all-round muscular development should be enough to demonstrate that a “hollow back” as shown here is actually ideal. Obviously the guy in the blue shirt is overdoing it, his head should be down more. Also he needs to, firstly, confirm that his ideal posture would produce a perfectly straight rib cage; secondly, demonstrate that this posture would actually be beneficial; and thirdly, the way in which this would actually ‘move’ the maxilla forward (this forward movement isn’t actually moving the bone forward btw jfl, it’s a development of the bone not simply moving it forward.).

Do you believe that the belly and lower ribs should protrude forward? Because of course a movement forward at the lower back becomes a movement forward at the front as well. I encourage you to look at images of people you think are showing good posture. Make sure the image shows them at 90 degrees to the camera. Then draw a line from whatever is the furthest forward point on their body straight down to the ground. What you’ll find is that most people who are said to have “good posture” actually have their abdomen and lower ribs forward out over their feet and sometimes even beyond their feet. Is that desirable? Is your belly supposed to be pushed forward? Is your pelvis supposed to tip forward and down? When you bend your lower back you will end up having your ribcage lower in space. Most people, when they attempt to attain “good posture” will lift their lower ribs at the front by tilting the top end of their ribcage back and down. This bending causes the fascia of the body to be slack, and the ribcage will end up lower in space than it should be. I would argue that lengthening the torso requires the lower ribs and abdomen to move back in space, the upper end of the ribcage to move forward, and the entire ribcage to move up away from the pelvis. The pelvis must also be rotated and moved back and up. This visibly increases a person’s stature, but more importantly, it brings their thoracolumbar fascia back into action. Instead of rejecting any idea that goes against your preconceived notions, why don’t you reason out your position? Or explain why anything I’ve said is wrong.

@@cowboycatss I think it’s a real mistake to believe that because a high level weightlifter has a hollow back that that is ideal. First there are the obvious facts that many of these weightlifters get serious pains and injuries and that they have limited ranges of motions. That takes nothing away from the impressiveness of lifting heavy weights, but obviously they are using their body in way that is hugely focused on lifting power. That will not lead you to the optimal posture for preventing the kind of serious postural malfunction that leads to the need for hip, knee, or shoulder surgery in middle age. These problems (frozen shoulder, chronic back pain, surgery) are common in your average person and in weightlifters. But what’s more interesting is that you’ll find that even strong people can easily be challenged by making a small adjustment to their ribcage and pelvis. It will be hard to prove this with words, but I give people lessons, and I frequently have students who are quite active at the gym. When I ask them to simply hold a yardstick in a particular way, it can often tire them out in a matter of twenty seconds. If I ask them to adjust their pelvis and ribcage, again they will complain how tiring it is in moments. But those same actions, after taking some lessons, can become quite easy. My point being, when you train to lift weights, you can get quite good at lifting weights, but if you’re asked to do something that goes against your postural habits, you’ll find you have almost no strength or endurance in that area. The coordinated movements I talk about do not develop the bulky muscles of an Olympic weightlifter. They do however train deeper muscles that the common exercises demonstrably do not get to (that’s why a subtle movement of the ribcage can tire out a very strong person in moments). And more importantly, they bring the fascia of the body back into action by making it taut instead of slack. When your back is hollowed and your thoracolumbar fascia is slack, your pelvis will spill forward and your abdomen will protrude. Your ribcage will end up drooping down towards your pelvis. Is that good for breathing? Or digestion? What happens to your abdominal viscera when you push your belly out? The model I use is entirely based around allowing the mechanisms of the body to function at their best. As for moving the maxilla, think of it like this. If you hollow your lower back and tip your upper ribcage back, typically your head will tip back (though obviously there is variation, not everyone is the same). Compared to what I’m saying is optimal, it’s the equivalent of having someone put their hand on your face and push back and down. What do you think is the result of that if you do for years on end? The maxilla gets pushed back and down. Beyond that, when your head is out of place and your neck is shortened, the fascia and muscle which is supposed to suspend the maxilla and keeps it elevated are skewed. The fascia becomes limp and the muscles become overly strong in spots and overly weak elsewhere. This also happens in the ribcage, and the ribcage can be seen to narrow, shorten, and droop. When it happens in the skull, the maxilla ends up drooping back and down.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 This would be great if injuries experienced by Olympic Weightlifters was related to trauma or their ‘inability’ (I guess to paraphrase what you’re attempting to say) to move correctly resulting in chronic injury. However, the absolute majority of injuries in Olympic Weightlifting populations occurs from overuse injuries. Furthermore, Weightlifters and Powerlifters both learn how ‘stack the ribcage’; in essence an aligning of the ribs and the pelvis as you’re proposing here, yet they do do not demonstrate the hunched ‘gamer-like’ posture you show here. This is all to say, that like any single person on this earth would agree, that an aligned pelvis and rib cage is ideal. However what you’re proposing seems to be askew; the majority of modern postural problems (besides those with disabilities) are at their core muscular weaknesses and therefore people must be trained using resistance to counteract these imbalances producing postures with extreme hollow backs and those with none at all. Secondly, I actually found your ideas regarding the muscles and fascia of the face to be interesting and of value so I won’t comment on those because I believe they have some merit. However, rewinding back to your comments on Weightlifters and lower back fascia; do you seriously believe that Weightlifters would have underdeveloped or ‘unused’ (I guess to say) fascia? The lower back is essential to Weightlifting there is no way in which these athletes could perform the movements they do without being incredibly mobile (not only in the lower back but also in the rest of the body) or incredibly strong? Moreover, do you seriously believe that a high-elite level Weightlifter would struggle to perform the coordinated movements you espouse? Do you seriously believe that these movements would be more challenging or more beneficial than snatching and clean & jerking? Or more beneficial than learning how to properly squat and overhead press? All these movements would recruit the muscles of the body as a unit, both superficial and deep. Thirdly, how would it be possible that chin tucks or proper head posture (which you do not actually show in the video by the way in either case) would produce negative affects on the development of the maxilla? It should be common knowledge that the body develops under external forces and loads; thus chin tucking and proper head posture would allow the tongue and associated muscles to properly develop the maxilla through expansion and growth. Maybe if you could somehow demonstrate how the fascia and muscles of the face and neck would produce similar results as the Mews have demonstrated in children, or even demonstrate similar results as those produce by palatal expanders used by traditional Orthodontists, then you may be able to make a proper case for yourself. Until then though, this is all speculation, and much of it, in my uneducated opinion at the very least, is misguided.

You say I’ve displayed a hunched, “gamer-like” posture. You really need to go and look at a picture of someone with that posture and compare it. I understand that at first glance, having the head forward reminds you of that, but you need to look at what’s happening at the sternum. You will not find a “hunched person” who has a vertical sternum. Not one. Every “gamer”-postured person you see will have a hollow back. All of them. And when you actually look at it, you'll find that even many people who have "nerd neck" actually have their head pulled back relative to their lower sternum. How do you discerned an overuse injury from an injury caused by how your using yourself? You say weightlifters stack their ribcage and pelvis. Do you they actually though? Just because that’s their intention does not mean that’s what’s happening. You say everyone agrees with stacking the ribcage and pelvis, yet every picture of so called ”good posture” shows people who are spilling forward with the front of their pelvis and their lower ribs, while the upper end of the ribcage is tipped back. This causes the midsection to be well forward of the upper and lower extremities of the torso. Find a picture of someone you think has a “stacked” ribcage and pelvis, then draw a line straight down from the furthest forward point on the torso. You’ll see what I mean. People are spilling their midsection out over their feet, sometimes beyond their toes. I can’t say for certain that an elite level weightlifter would struggle with the coordinated movements I describe. I would bet that they would, because I have worked with very athletic people who were quite strong, and they struggled massively at first. But if the system you’re advocating for (essentially a muscle-based system) only works when you’re an elite level athlete, that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement. And still, we don’t know if it even does work for elite level athletes. The benefits from weightlifting are different from what I’m talking about. You will be stronger if you lift weights, but you will be susceptible to all the problems that come along with poor posture. Most people who “properly squat” are massively shortening, for instance. My point was not that the coordinated movements I advise are incredibly challenging, it was that even highly athletic people are challenged by seemingly super simple movements. This is because most people go deep into their shortening habits in order to lift weights (this is why “overuse” injuries are so common), and going against your habits is a challenge that is not overcome simply by being strong. And yes, any weightlifter with a hollow back is lacking leverage from their fascia. You can still function in this state, and if you build your muscles up enormously, you will still be strong. Fascia is not a muscle, it is not strong or weak. And remember, basically everyone competing has poor posture. This takes nothing away from weightlifters, but they are just the strongest of all the people with poor posture. They probably do have very strong lower back muscles, but it’s simply a fact that if their fascia is limp and not taut, their fascia is not functioning optimally. Your question on chin tucks is puzzling. How could pulling your face backwards in space cause your maxilla to move backwards in space? You say that “proper head posture” allows the maxilla to expand. I agree, we just disagree on what proper head posture is. Much of the “success” that mewers are having is from rotating their head back and down. This pushes the lower face forward and retracts the forehead. My latest video touches on this briefly. I have no doubt that an expander can get much faster expansion of the maxilla than correcting your posture. But speaking as someone who had a damaged face from orthodontics just as the Mews describe, I’ve seen that it’s quite possible to correct the face by correcting posture. But I’m also puzzled by your statement “thus chin tucking and proper head posture would allow the tongue and associated muscles to properly develop the maxilla through expansion and growth. Maybe if you could somehow demonstrate how the fascia and muscles of the face and neck would produce similar results…” I’m not trying to misquote you, but it seems like you’re saying do believe that muscles and fascia can properly develop the maxilla. Maybe we disagree on optimal posture, but surely we agree that if someone has optimal posture from adolescence, their face will develop fine and their mouth will not be crowded.

In my opinion, it’s not about getting the maxilla to grow, it’s about getting the maxilla to be in its correct spot. When it’s in the correct spot, the fascia of the head will function properly, and over time the influence of properly functioning fascia will reduce any problem there is with the maxilla. The shape of the head, like the shape of the torso, is not static. It takes time, but if you get the boney structures to be in the right relative positions, the condition of the body will normalize towards what’s healthy and natural. And correcting the torso is to a large degree necessary to correct the head, because the head is supported by the torso.

Anything that is different will be uncomfortable at first. And anything, even a really bad habit, will become comfortable if it's done consistently.

That’s what my channel is all about! There are a lot of details and nuances to putting together a system for taking conscious control over how you use your body. I can’t sum it up in one post. I have a few playlists that build from the torso to the legs, arms, and neck and head, if you’re looking for a specific place to start. But all the videos on my channel are about presenting this new model of posture and how to attain it.

Most people will lower their chin if you ask them to lift the back of the head, but it’s not inevitable and it’s certainly not the gesture we want. If you put the back of your hand under your chin and prevent yourself from going down with the chin, and then move the back of the head forward and up, you will move the whole head forward and up. So it’s as you said, the head must come forward. The important part is to make sure it goes forward and up, not forward and down.

Interesting! Let me know if you detect any patterns.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Oh I already have.. Mewing properly is important but not everybody does it. It is actually a lot less common than you think. This is my analysis and theories on how differences in tongue and head posture can affect your face. 1. *Forward and Upward growth are separate, but can both be achieved* We know there are sutures in the roof of the mouth that allow for more bone growth, one on the x axis and one on the y axis. MSE expanders help expand the palate left and right equally. The same suture is found in the very back of the mouth where the wisdom teeth go, (I'll get into wisdom teeth later). Anyways, the back suture (when pressure is on it through mewing) will expand, making your maxila more forward grown. (And yes when your maxila expands, your mandible/jaw follows with it. Remember that everything is connected) (This is more on how to achieve both growths) 2. *Head posture affects the jaw the most* When you mew with downward head posture, the maxilla will move as usual but the jaw will barely move upwards as much as it should or could. This depends on how bad your head posture is (the worse the posture, the less jaw growth) and if the jaw doesn't move enough, that'll not only cause an overbite but also restrict the maxila from moving completely up to it's full potential because the maxilla and mandible are all connected, and if the jaw is lacking, the maxila will lack too. When your maxila grows forward, your jaw does too, but doesn't get more upswung. When the maxilla grows upwards, the jaw gets more upswung too. Notice how a lot of people (with a prominent nose and decently deep set eyes) tend to have a slight overbite? (And not the slight overbite you're genetically supposed to have with your teeth, but a slight overbite that you can see when their mouth is closed, their top lip sticks outwards). I believe this is because putting your tongue on the roof of the mouth is more common than holding good posture because let's be honest, bad posture is comfortable amongst us all. But remember, the maxila is still forward grown due to the tongue still being there, giving them the features like a prominent nose and decently deep set eyes 3. *Wherever the pressure of the tongue goes, that affects the maxilas forward growth, not upwards growth* This is a personal experience but I've noticed people with an overjet tend to have not very prominent noses, prey eyes, not deep set eyes, a chubby kinda face that doesn't have the sharp angles that make for attractiveness. I believe this is because not enough pressure from the tongue goes towards pushing the maxilla forward because it's touching the teeth, which also causes the teeth to move at the same time, but remember, the tongue is still pushing up so I and other people like this, don't have what is called "long face". I have fixed my tongue posture and have gotten deeper set eyes and a slightly more prominent nose. 4. *The less tongue you apply, the less teeth will show* Front, middle and back third of the tongue matter. In childhood while you're growing adult teeth, wherever the tongue is not resting, the teeth will appear shorter like how we always see our back teeth covered mostly by gum and look shorter in length than our front teeth. I do not know if this can be reversed with mewing after teeth are fully grown in. I do also believe applying less tongue can have the same effect of poor forward maxila growth, but even less growth because at least for the last pattern, the whole tongue is assumed to be applied while in this pattern/example, it isn't. 5. *Mewing makes more space for your wisdom teeth* This has already been theorized by Mike Mew. Make sure your jaw and maxila are well enough grown to ensure that you have space for your wisdom teeth because (realistically) if you get them pulled, (depending which ones you pulled) it will recess your facial bone structure, setting back your full mewing results. If you remove your top wisdom teeth, your maxila will recess (move back) not a whole lot, but noticeably, and if you remove your bottom wisdom teeth, your jaw will recess (move back) not a whole lot, but noticeably. People have made videos talking about that. *(I still have my wisdom teeth and have no plans on getting them removed AT ALL)* 6. *Buck teeth could be caused by the tongue slightly touching the front teeth, or maybe just being closer to the front teeth than the rest of the teeth* Since I previously theorized that more tongue = more teeth, especially in childhood, the front two teeth are getting the most pressure opposed to the rest of the teeth (I'm still not fully sure about this one but I'm thinking it's true, especially since people I've seen with with buck teeth tend to have the same (but slight) overjet look, or if not an overjet, a more oval look to the teeth alignment instead of round, due to the tongue placement I just mentioned earlier in this specific paragraph 7. *Top front teeth and tongue placement* In Top front teeth, gaps are caused by the tongue being too far from the front teeth, and crooked top teeth are caused by: the tongue being too far from the teeth, a recessed maxila & or a narrow palate (not 100% sure on this but just a thought) These are all the patterns I have noticed in many different people and I didn't think I'd find myself typing this all out, but I am. An I'm glad I am. I want other people to observe what I have noticed too. And *AS LONG AS I AM RIGHTFULLY CREDITED* ,Feel free to use this paragraph in a video or anything if you want to further inspect it or break it down or even debunk anything. P.S. this is a pre conclusion, kinda filler space to make this whole entire essay 10 paragraphs long :) lol In Conclusion, Mew with the full tongue on the roof of the mouth and maintain good tongue and head posture so that you can see the best results with maximum Maxillary and Mandibular growth 📈. My family and friends all have different facial bone structures so that's how I was able to put the pieces together. Thank you for reading this well organized Multi- Paragraph essay. 🙏

Oh I already have.. Mewing properly is important but not everybody does it. It is actually a lot less common than you think. This is my analysis and theories on how differences in tongue and head posture can affect your face. 1. *Forward and Upward growth are separate, but can both be achieved* We know there are sutures in the roof of the mouth that allow for more bone growth, one on the x axis and one on the y axis. MSE expanders help expand the palate left and right equally. The same suture is found in the very back of the mouth where the wisdom teeth go, (I'll get into wisdom teeth later). Anyways, the back suture (when pressure is on it through mewing) will expand, making your maxila more forward grown. (And yes when your maxila expands, your mandible/jaw follows with it. Remember that everything is connected) (This is more on how to achieve both growths) 2. *Head posture affects the jaw the most* When you mew with downward head posture, the maxilla will move as usual but the jaw will barely move upwards as much as it should or could. This depends on how bad your head posture is (the worse the posture, the less jaw growth) and if the jaw doesn't move enough, that'll not only cause an overbite but also restrict the maxila from moving completely up to it's full potential because the maxilla and mandible are all connected, and if the jaw is lacking, the maxila will lack too. When your maxila grows forward, your jaw does too, but doesn't get more upswung. When the maxilla grows upwards, the jaw gets more upswung too. Notice how a lot of people (with a prominent nose and decently deep set eyes) tend to have a slight overbite? (And not the slight overbite you're genetically supposed to have with your teeth, but a slight overbite that you can see when their mouth is closed, their top lip sticks outwards). I believe this is because putting your tongue on the roof of the mouth is more common than holding good posture because let's be honest, bad posture is comfortable amongst us all. But remember, the maxila is still forward grown due to the tongue still being there, giving them the features like a prominent nose and decently deep set eyes 3. *Wherever the pressure of the tongue goes, that affects the maxilas forward growth, not upwards growth* This is a personal experience but I've noticed people with an overjet tend to have not very prominent noses, prey eyes, not deep set eyes, a chubby kinda face that doesn't have the sharp angles that make for attractiveness. I believe this is because not enough pressure from the tongue goes towards pushing the maxilla forward because it's touching the teeth, which also causes the teeth to move at the same time, but remember, the tongue is still pushing up so I and other people like this, don't have what is called "long face". I have fixed my tongue posture and have gotten deeper set eyes and a slightly more prominent nose. 4. *The less tongue you apply, the less teeth will show* Front, middle and back third of the tongue matter. In childhood while you're growing adult teeth, wherever the tongue is not resting, the teeth will appear shorter like how we always see our back teeth covered mostly by gum and look shorter in length than our front teeth. I do not know if this can be reversed with mewing after teeth are fully grown in. I do also believe applying less tongue can have the same effect of poor forward maxila growth, but even less growth because at least for the last pattern, the whole tongue is assumed to be applied while in this pattern/example, it isn't. 5. *Mewing makes more space for your wisdom teeth* This has already been theorized by Mike Mew. Make sure your jaw and maxila are well enough grown to ensure that you have space for your wisdom teeth because (realistically) if you get them pulled, (depending which ones you pulled) it will recess your facial bone structure, setting back your full mewing results. If you remove your top wisdom teeth, your maxila will recess (move back) not a whole lot, but noticeably, and if you remove your bottom wisdom teeth, your jaw will recess (move back) not a whole lot, but noticeably. People have made videos talking about that. *(I still have my wisdom teeth and have no plans on getting them removed AT ALL)* 6. *Buck teeth could be caused by the tongue slightly touching the front teeth, or maybe just being closer to the front teeth than the rest of the teeth* Since I previously theorized that more tongue = more teeth, especially in childhood, the front two teeth are getting the most pressure opposed to the rest of the teeth (I'm still not fully sure about this one but I'm thinking it's true, especially since people I've seen with with buck teeth tend to have the same (but slight) overjet look, or if not an overjet, a more oval look to the teeth alignment instead of round, due to the tongue placement I just mentioned earlier in this specific paragraph 7. *Top front teeth and tongue placement* In Top front teeth, gaps are caused by the tongue being too far from the front teeth, and crooked top teeth are caused by: the tongue being too far from the teeth, a recessed maxila & or a narrow palate (not 100% sure on this but just a thought) These are all the patterns I have noticed in many different people and I didn't think I'd find myself typing this all out, but I am. An I'm glad I am. I want other people to observe what I have noticed too. And *AS LONG AS I AM RIGHTFULLY CREDITED* ,Feel free to use this paragraph in a video or anything if you want to further inspect it or break it down or even debunk anything. P.S. this is a pre conclusion, kinda filler space to make this whole entire essay 10 paragraphs long :) lol In Conclusion, Mew with the full tongue on the roof of the mouth and maintain good tongue and head posture so that you can see the best results with maximum Maxillary and Mandibular growth 📈. My family and friends all have different facial bone structures so that's how I was able to put the pieces together. Thank you for reading this well organized Multi- Paragraph essay. 🙏

@@JohnBillowthis whole review is crazy, I read it all. Thanks!!

@@Victoria-bi8ee you're welcome:) this took me an hour to write and edit. Thanks for reading it!

if I try to look up, my neck is shortering

Well, it’s not an absolute that the neck must shorten to look up, but yes, if you just lift the tip of your chin you will tip your head back and down. Forward and up applies to the entire head. What happens if you lift the entire chin and the back of the head? Can you head go forward as it goes up (as opposed to coming back and up)? Forward and up is importantly different from forward and down. Most people, if they move their head forward, will move it forward and down in space. This can verified with a video recording. But that is not what we want. The entire head should move forward and up relative to the torso. But as I say in the video, that will only be sustainable if you improve the condition of your torso. If your torso is bent, it can’t support your neck and head (because the fascia of the torso will be slack and not taut). So getting the head forward and up must be coordinated with lengthening of the torso (moving the midsection back, un-tilting the pelvis, pulling the lower ribcage back while moving the upper ribcage forward, and lifting the ribcage up away from the pelvis). If you want to go more in depth on this you can check out my playlists for some older series of videos I put out. The one on the torso is a good starting point, but if you're keen on working with the neck and head, there's a series on that as well.

Genetics are for the shape and how strong your features are but not the harmony and their positioning

Maybe you are not doing it correctly cuz if you are doing from childhood.. You will 99% notice somr changes

@@Lulu0301 quite the opposite

Show your face we will see

@@Abhinav-rw1mm I mean if you're naturally a mewer with decent features you'd still look normal

Be careful with what advice you take on posture. A lot of stuff out there is, in my view, quite wrong. It’s important to understand that the whole body is connected. You cannot untilt your pelvis without also untilting your ribcage. These two major bony structures of the torso have to be balanced. The solution is, unfortunately, not as simple as repeating one movement. You need to coordinate multiple movements together. The other major piece of advice I would give is that you need visual feedback (from video recording yourself with a webcam or camera or using a mirror). Our feeling sense can be very deceptive. We can think we’re doing one thing, when in reality we’re doing something else entirely. The only way to know is to record yourself and see. I’ve had many students tell me they were blown away by what they saw by recording themselves. That objective visual feedback is crucial to genuinely making progress.

Try Functional Patterns. I was going to.

So basically you got mogged lmao 🧏

I don’t exactly follow what you’re saying. But the biggest thing to first think about is your torso. Is your sternum tilted back at the top? Is your pelvis tipped forward and down? When your head is not supported by your torso, all kinds of problems can occur.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I don't understand what are you saying

- the example bad "flat back" is not a flat back if he were to take off his dhirt you would see it arching quite a bit and that is not ideal - the head shouldnt be against the wall, instead it should be (close to) in line with your spine/neck

Why would you want the head to be back? That will cause you to push your midsection forward. You will also be restricting your airway by kinking it back. Take a look at people with their head back, you will see that their midsection has to go forward to compensate and prevent them from falling over. If you bring the midsection back so you are no longer protruding your abdomen, your head will naturally come more forward and up (the up being crucial). This opens the airway and allows you to use the fascia of your back to support your head.

There shouldn’t be anything that extreme from these manipulations. Have you addressed your torso at all? I’ve tried to make clear that attempting to manipulate the head prior to looking at the torso will not work. You should not experience anything like what you described from manipulating the torso.

The purpose of the system I teach is to help people coordinate the movements needed to get the parts of the body into the correct orientation and relative position. When that’s done with the head and neck, it will lead to a generally better facial structure, and the jaw should function properly and in balance. When people have a melting chin or weak jaw, it’s essentially always the result of subconscious, habitual movements the person is making that cause the structures of the body to shorten and collapse. That said, without first really working with the torso, sustaining changes in the facial structure is not very doable. Nothing I teach is aimed at fixing an individual postural problem, because in my view and experience that doesn't work. The whole body must be addressed.

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In my view, correcting the torso so that it is not twisted or misaligned will have a huge impact on the jaw. It’s not likely that the jaw threw the body out of whack, it’s the torso that has caused the jaw to become misaligned.

External force vs internal force. A reverse face mask applies external force upon the maxilla due to a non-forward head posture. Simply moving your head forward like suggested here would only move your maxilla ‘forward’ along a plane rather than actually expanding the maxilla through growth (which is achieved through, like everything else in the body, external forces like the tongue).

I’m not sure I follow your last question on the chin protruding. I would say that your skull is deforming towards an asymmetry because it’s lacking support from your torso and body generally. Getting the fascia of your body and neck working will do a lot to allow the head to be in its correct position, and then the muscles and fascia will pull you away from asymmetry. I don’t have a huge problem with palatal expansion, I think there are pro and cons. But either way, working on the torso and body generally would be beneficial in the long run and would mitigate the negative sides of palatal expansion if you go that route.

Are you mouth breather?

It happens when you keep your mouth open, that makes your face lengthen. Sometimes that happens because people develop allergies and are breathing through their mouth a lot. It's also diet. If you're eating a lot of sugar and grains and not enough good healthy animal fats that will give you vitamin K2, then your face will not develop optimally. You will have a more narrow jaw and crowded teeth. Weston A Price was a dentist in the 1900s who studied this.

A couple years into college my brother came back with his face shape changed. His face got much longer and narrower.

you should have little double chin while standing that position

@@truesatann Why would you want a double chin?

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I have a series in my playlists that covers the neck and head. If you haven’t seen that already, there are some specific directions that can help bring tension in the the musculature and fascia of the face. You are going to need to work on the torso though to be able to support the head where it’s meant to be. When the head is out of place, issues like what you describe around the eyes can occur. The way out is to address not just the face and head but the whole body.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 could you please share that video because I can't able to find the exact video

If what I’m saying about people’s heads being pulled back and down is correct, then we can think of that as equivalent to someone putting their palm on your face and pushing your face back. That will move your whole head back and ultimately down. If someone pushed on your face all the time, it would deform your skull, and your maxilla would get smushed back. If your maxilla and all the other bones of your skull are out of place, your muscles and fascia will be in a confused situation. Your fascia will be made limp. Your muscles will have all their points of leverage out of place, and so they will function erratically. Some muscles will get used to overworking in a certain direction, while never working in the opposite direction. Certain muscles will have to overwork while others do little at all. This reenforces the conditions of deformation in the skull. My contention is that if you get the entire head forward and up, and you get your torso into better condition so that it can support your head, you will be able to get your maxilla to where it’s actually supposed to be. Your muscles and fascia will then be able to function properly and will reenforce the correct position of the bones of the skull. Over time that will eradicate the deformation of the skull. The bone structure absolutely does not stay the same. I would say it’s probably impossible to maintain the same bone structure between the typical posture and the posture I’m advocating for, because the general forces that will act on the skull (whether that’s the musculature, the fascia, or gravity itself) will be interacting with the bones of the skull in a totally different manner.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 ok, now I understand. Ty for clearing it up

Idiosyncratic over use of certain muscles relative to other muscles can certainly happen, especially in those who lift weights, but generally I think the idea is too narrow to be particularly useful.

Have you spent much time observing people from the side? I encourage you to go look up images of good posture, find the ones you find the best according to your finely honed human perception, and then answer the following questions: Why is their midsection out over their feet? Draw a line straight down from the furthest forward point on their torso. Why is it out over their toes? Why is their lower back bent? Does that bending cause the lower ribs or abdomen to push forward? If you want to look at just the arms and shoulders, why are their arms bent? Why is their elbow back behind their body, and why is their hand forward? Does that make sense? Why doesn’t the arm hang with gravity? Why is it bent against gravity? There is certainly a social component to posture. Most people initiate their parents posture as children, and we tend to mirror the posture of those around us. It’s quite understandable that you would find the posture I present in this video odd, it’s not something you’ve seen before. You say the shoulders are forward, but would you agree that they are also very wide apart? Picture the shoulder blades. Are they close together by the spine? Or are they far apart? Which will widen the upper back? Pulling the arms back or leaving them forward and out? I can easily pull my arms back to look like something you’re more used to seeing. Most people could not straighten and fully extend their arm as I show in the video (without massively bending their torso). I would argue that nearly all people in modern civilization have poor posture. That’s why so many people have pains and also slouch or slump when they sit or stand. If you accept that as true, why would you expect to be able to pick out good vs bad posture? Your metric would be thrown off by the fact that average is bad. Who do athlete’s compete against? Other people with poor posture. Great athletes train very hard at a specific set of activities and become great at them. That doesn’t mean they have great posture - and many would tell you themselves that they slump as much as anyone in their day to day life. They also frequently experience injuries.

Unbending the lower back, when done correctly, does lead to a small but clearly visible increase in stature.

The same ideas are going to apply. What I’m recommending here is not a specific fix for something, it’s just about getting the bones of the skull, neck, torso, and whole body into the correct geometry so that the fascia and muscles can work properly. Any issue like scleral show is typically going to be the result of poor posture causing parts of the body to be moved out of place. So as I say in the video, look at the torso first, as that will provide your head with the support it needs to stay in the correct relative position.

What apply ??? Tell me plz

At 4:16 - 4:28 I use an older and somewhat newer picture of me. It's not perfect, but it should give you an clear picture of what I'm saying is desirable.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Well it looks strange. Thats why I asked you to show a really healthy posture

@@NektoNC You can watch this video if you'd like, it has some pictures of F.M. Alexander:ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g6woLgswFUg.html The opening of this video shows Masoero in sitting: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GL2JfBA607Q.html It's going to look strange to you because you're used to seeing people with their head and shoulders retracted and their abdomens protruding. If you look at an image of someone you consider to have a really healthy posture, take note, is their midsection pushed forward? Is their back hollow? If you so, why? Is that really healthy?

Yes, lengthening the torso is a visible act that observably causes a small increase in height.

Getting the maxilla forward and up, in my opinion, starts with getting the torso reorganized. You want the ribcage to rotate forward and up at the upper end and backward and up at the lower end. You can place the center of rotation around the height of the armpit at the font of the chest. You also want to lift the ribcage up away from the pelvis. Realistically, you’ll need to consider the pelvis as well, which needs a back and up rotation at the front. For more in depth explanations of the above, you can check out my older videos. Manipulating the head is not where I’d recommend starting (you can’t do much with the head if the torso is disorganized). That said, you don’t want to lift the chin in a way that will tilt the head back, but you do want to lift the entirety of the chin. I don’t think the idea of the string at the occiput is useful. As you say, it can easily cause a crunching of the larynx by retracting the chin because it’s not a very precise direction.

In sleeping the biggest issue is probably sleeping on your back in such a way that you ears are below your sternum. That will tend to cut off the airway and will encourage the habit of retracting the head.

You should actually look up what someone with a hunch back looks like. 100% of the time you will see a hollowed lower back: the spine will bend forward at the lower back and come back at the upper back. That’s not what I’m showing in this video. The hump you see at my upper back is just the shape of the upper ribcage. The ribs get smaller in diameter, so there is curve at the upper end. You have this same curve to your ribcage, but you likely tilt your ribcage back and down. This obscures the curve, but it’s still present. I explained this in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jLO9xMkWQ_E.htmlsi=tySaShod92UGEiOY&t=242 I could bend my back to look like what is often wrongly considered “good posture” with ease. I wouldn’t want to, because that would cause my abdomen to protrude forward and my thoracolumbar fascia to become slack. On the other hand, I would bet that you couldn’t pose for two seconds in the posture I display in this video. You might think it’s as easy as making a “hunchback,” but if you actually try, you’ll likely find that you must either bend your back, bend your knees, or drop your head in space. Give it a try. What I’m presenting is something you haven’t seen before, so I understand why the posture looks funny to you. I encourage you to spend a little time actually looking at people from the side (whether images or in real life). You’ll see that what I’m advocating for is not common and is totally different from what people display with “forward head posture” or a “hunchback.” Look at the lower back, the angle of the sternum, the position of the head relative to the ribcage/sternum. There's lots to learn.

While the suction aspect is something that’s used, I would say most people understand mewing as pushing the tongue up against the roof of the mouth. Widening the palate is part of the goal, moving the maxilla forward and up so that it does not obstruct the airway and is not back relative to the jaw are also key goals. Though, as I say in the video, I think people would be capable of getting a lot more movement of their maxilla if they got their entire head forward and up to where it belongs. Then the fascia and musculature can work the way they're supposed to, and that will, over time, tend to widen the palate.

It works at any age. It's a bit harder as you get older because you have stronger habits, but anyone can move their bones towards a better configuration and benefit their fascia and musculature.

He's trying to the back of his head against the wall because that is what the standard model says is correct. As you said, that leads to shortening at the back of the neck.

Have you ever actually spent any amount of time observing people from the side? The condition of the torso that I display in this video is clearly different from what you’d see in what you’re basically calling forward head posture. It’s very funny that you say leaning forward, when my torso in that picture is demonstrably very far back compared to most people. Try actually looking up some pictures of people from the side that have the poor posture you describe. You will see that in every case they have a significant bend in their lower back and their upper sternum is pulled very far back. Look at the images I used in this video. You will see that my upper sternum is not pulled back and there is no bend in my lower back. These are major differences that you've apparently missed. Find a picture of someone that you think has good posture. Draw a line straight down from the furthest forward point on their torso. You’ll find the line is out over the feet. Do the same with my image. You’ll find the much closer to the ankle. So who’s actually leaning? Draw a line from the ankle up to the hip. Again you’ll see someone’s leaning. I understand why you jumped to the conclusion that you did. You’ve never seen someone with their head forward and up before, so you assumed that my head is forward and down, as that’s what you’ve seen. But you didn’t study the images close enough, or you didn’t think hard enough about what you were seeing. If you think the posture I display in this video is soft or weak, I challenge you to take a picture of yourself displaying the same posture. That should be easy, right? Try it, you might learn a thing or two. Good luck.

It will move the maxilla forward and up. The only way to sustain the head and maxilla forward and up is to have the support of your torso and neck - which means you need your fascia taut and not slack. Without that support, the head and maxilla must come down in space.

It won't change the maxilla. It's stupid

@@t50-lk8qv It will obviously move where the maxilla is in space. Perhaps you mean that it will not change the position of the maxilla relative to the other bones of the skull. I addressed this in another comment here, but if I’m correct that people are pulling their head back and down, then you can also think of that like someone putting their hand on your face and pushing your head back. If you constantly pull your head back (which most people do), it’s like someone constantly pushing your face back. Over time, that will smush the skull and the maxilla will go back and down. To eradicate this deformation of the head you need to get the bones in the right relative positions so that the fascia and muscles can work the way they’re supposed to. That will never happen if your head is pulled completely out of place. However, if you correct your posture, and you get your head to be where it’s supposed to be, your fascia and muscles will apply forces to your bones that pull them away from deformation and towards their correct positions. So while there are some further adjustments that may need to be applied to the maxilla, simply getting your head to be in its correct spot will improve the position of the maxilla relative to the other bones of the skull. Whereas, if your head remains habitually pulled back and down, there’s nothing you can really do to get your fascia and muscles working properly, so you will be stuck with a deformed head.

No, it’s the Initial Alexander Technique.

I think osteopathy may have some benefits in terms of breaking up some of the adhesions and stuck parts of the fascia and musculature. But in my opinion, unless you change your underlying habits of movement, you will end up back where you started before long.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 how do I change my underlying habits of movement?

No. I think I was experimenting with a very even and slightly over-enunciated delivery in this video. It's far from my worst vocal performance though it comes off a little flat. You'll find, if you record yourself speaking many times for a few years, that it's not the easiest thing in the world.

The pivot should be around the front of the ribcage at the height of the armpit. It can feel like leaning forward, though you want to make sure you’re not going forward and down. You also want to make sure you’re not bringing your lower ribcage or pelvis forward with your head.

There’s no reason to delay correcting your posture. If you’re following a good model and have good practices, it would only help you generally. Personally, as someone who had braces for many years when I was younger, I don’t think they’re typically a good idea. But I also understand why people just want their teeth to be straightened quickly. I’m not an expert on orthodontics, but I would suggest that anyone who definitely wants orthodontic intervention should seek out an alternative to braces: almost anything is better than traditional braces.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 how about plaks, the ones u can see through

There are muscles that attach to the bones of the face. If the muscles (and fascia and connective tissues) are used improperly, the bones will narrow and crumple. If you use the muscles differently, you can certainly change the relative position and the orientation of the bones for the better. Most people have never tried to manipulate the bones of their face with a reasoned system, so people assume it’s impossible. Most people feel the same way about their torso. But just as poor posture degrades the structure, good posture corrects the structure. Unfortunately, most people have a faulty conception of good posture, and so they think it can’t have an effect.

In my opinion, no you don’t want to tuck your chin back. Chin tucks move the face and head back. If you want your maxilla to go forward and up, you need to move it forward and up. The important thing to consider is this is not just about manipulating the head. You need your torso to be in good condition. When your torso is lengthened, you will have the support you need to move your head forward and up to where it’s supposed to be. When the torso and head are in their correct relative positions, the fascia and musculature will tend to pull the maxilla forward, up, and apart. I don’t think the tongue should be pressed against the maxilla. The tongue goes to the roof of the mouth when we swallow, but it should not be against the roof of the mouth when breathing, and it cannot be against the roof of the mouth when speaking. If you have your fascia and musculature working properly, which requires the bones to be closer to their correct positions, then you don’t need to push the tongue against the maxilla because the muscles and fascia that connect to the maxilla will already be keeping it forward and up and widened. Really your whole body will hold up your maxilla. The tongue is integral in swallowing and speaking, it’s job is not holding up your maxilla. As I say in the video, the first thing to consider is the condition of the ribcage. Is your sternum angled back at the top? Take a picture/video and see.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 thank you a lot ♥️♥️aI'll try and I'll tell you my honest reveiw. And also use this method for widen our palate ❓️and how long time take for this process... How long time i want to do this process for seeing changes in my face❓️

I recommend that no one does chin tucks.

As someone who has had fairly severe jaw problems in the past, in my view, what really matters most to those problems is correcting the torso. When the torso is twisted up and shortened, the head lacks support and falls into asymmetry. Trying to just address the jaw doesn’t tend to work because the problem is not localized to the jaw. I don’t typically focus in on specific problems because the remedy I offer is not aimed at specific problems. By correcting your general coordination and getting the tissues of your body to function properly, you will get at the root cause of the asymmetry and dysfunction. If you haven’t seen it, I do have a series on the neck and head that touches on those subjects and has some procedures you can try out. I have a playlist for it on my channel.

Feel free to explain why.

But he doesn't explain.

​@@elijahwoodard714 exactly

@@elijahwoodard714nah it’s 100% wrong

Are you going to keep your chin back? Because a correctly performed chin tuck is supposed to form a double chin. The point of the video is that you can lift the maxilla by getting the fascia to work properly - which requires the bones of the skull to be moved closer to where they’re supposed to be (forward and up). Pulling the chin back might crowd the mouth and cause the tongue to push on the maxilla, but it will not move the head forward and up. It’s also not sustainable, unless you want a double chin).

Did your face change by doing this ​@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147

In my view, there is confusion over this idea of “growth.” Most people who have a shortened distance between their chin and the back of their jaw, for instance, are not lacking growth. They are habitually making movements that pull the jaw back and the maxilla back and down. The way to get the musculature and fascia of the face to work properly is to move the bones to their correct relative position and orientation. That movement will produce what looks like growth, but it's really just undoing the wrong movements that smash and destroy the face. One of the big ideas I’m trying to get across here is that you can move out of these problems. You don’t need to wait for growth, you need to move. There are muscles and fascia that connect directly to the maxilla: they can move the maxilla to its correct spot. Although to be clear, you also need to move the bony structures of the torso (the ribcage and pelvis) in order for the torso to support the head. The problem is not all in the head, the torso and the rest of the body play a huge role.

@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I agree and kinda understand the posture you're talking about , but also the growth factor is important . Because some ppl maxilla has grown downward and it's fixated in that shape. In this case only the malleability feature like in kids bones is what can reverse it imo.

⁠​does fixing your posture mean also getting taller slightly ? Since with correcting your posture you are elongating your spine ?

@@Lulu0301 Expansion of the maxilla is certainly more difficult then getting expansion elsewhere because of the suture joint. However, the maxilla and mandible are much more movable then people think. Many muscles attach to both bones, and most people are very bad at controlling the movements they make with those muscles. I'll be going more in depth on this particularly topic in the near future.

@@Kevin-ml2rj Yes, lengthening the torso will increase your stature a small but easily visible amount. That's part of how you'll know you're succeeding in making the adjustments. You should be visibly taller.

I don’t recommend typical exercises because I don’t think this is a problem that is remedied by repetitive movements or strengthening exercises. The problem is not a lack of strength, it’s a lack of coordination. It’s as much a mental problem as it is physical. In my opinion, the only way to correct posture is with a conscious system of guidance and control. That means you control how you move your body by implementing concepts that are reasonable: that make sense. I do use various procedures for challenging your equilibrium, as that gives you an opportunity to practice implementing a conscious strategy for maintaining your good posture in response to a stimulus. But for those procedures to be useful, you need to have strategies for dealing with postural perturbation. It’s also worth considering that we will use all of our poor habits of movement to perform any traditional exercise. In fact, people tend to bend their back more than usual when confronted with having to lift a heavy weight or perform a strenuous exercise. So how could that improve your posture? An excellent procedure that I use is going up on the toes: essentially standing on the forefoot with the heels off the floor. But just going up on the toes is not how you succeed, the point is to maintain lengthening of your torso and to not allow your torso to go too far forward as you go up on your toes. That’s not easy to do. It’s not something that can be done with strength, it can only be done with the support of your fascia - which requires you to coordinate the movements needed to make the fascia of your body taut. That’s why I say it’s a problem of coordination. The skill that is lacking that causes poor posture is the skill of coordinating movements consciously.