@@ajithsidhu7183 They didn't always burn their dead, but I will talk about that next week. But a short answer is that when they did, as a sacrifice, it is so the smoke went into the sky to please the Sky Father.
You know, this is particularly interesting because the cattle raiding aspect of the religion and lifestyle probably is an inheritance from the first people who domesticated Aurochs in the first place, who seem to have developed a deep religious connection to the cattle and participated in the hunts that would eventually develop into herding in a very deeply symbolic and essential part of their lifestyle and identity as men. This, as far as I understand it, would persist well after farming had already gotten underway, and thus would represent a powerful connection to the legacy of their ancestors as hunter-gatherers in the ages before. This cultural development and the connection that cows would have in particular makes for a very interesting trail to follow as numerous cultures developed from this strain of activity, even before the spread of PIE influences in significant amounts into the ancient near east.
Firstly, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment, it is appreciated. And I get it, we are touching of a time long ago, touching some of our ancestors early beliefs, and it feels me with amazement. Thanks again.
Fantastically condensed information, John. Thank you for being so efficient with our time. I'm looking forward to your next episodes. I'm surprised that there is not more of this Indo European subject matter out there, seeing how big of an impact they made.
Yes, there is very little on RU-vid, which is why I decided to teach it online. It is so rewarding that I can talk to 100,000 people here, where if I was stuck in a class room I’d be limited to 100 students a year. It is absolutely game changing to getting the knowledge out there.
"No-one but Indo-European tribes could own cattle as they were a gift from the sky father..." [6:55] The tribes of Frisia and Aberdeen want their cows back?
Αυτό το κανάλι δεν αντέχει την αλήθεια μπράβο 👏👏👏👏 Το κανάλι αυτό το έχω αποθηκεύσει στον υπολογιστή μου για να ψηφίζω ΠΑΝΤΑ αρνητικά Εσείς το θέλατε έτσι 👍
Appreciate your storytelling! I’m going to rewatch the related vids you mentioned - truly fascinating stuff - your videos certainly make it much easier to imagine what life was like for these peoples/our ancestors. Can’t wait for your next one!
@@Crecganford I’m rewatching your video on the warrior Trito now for follow up and I’m wondering if you have any reference material that comes to mind that speaks more to the dragons? Obviously they were literary but I’m a biologist/herpetologist so just fascinated with the stories including these species. I’m definitely going to check out the “Beowulf and it’s Analogues” book you recommend. Thank you!!
@@cataphractus9800 So the dragons were probably imagined larger snakes, maybe as hidden parents of normal snakes, as the word wyrm, meaning snake, has been around for over 15k years.
@@Crecganford and as you mention in your other video reference to the word ddsa meaning the monster/dragon/serpent had been there before/aboriginal to the lands before these cultures settled there. Luv learning all this! Thank you!!
Hello! First of all, I want to say thank you for your content. I think it's highly informative and interesting at the same time. + you have charisma :) I wanted to ask, how much is the 'Slavic' contribution to our understanding of the old Indo-European myth? I mean, does Slavic folklore contain any traits that helped us to reconstruct it? Thanks.
A great question, and whilst we see comparisons with other Indo-European cultures, much of the literature we have was written post-Christian conversion, and so has diluted or erased many of the originally told orally transmitted myths from the Slavs. And so whilst there is little direct input to make it, it does help us feel confident it is right.
It depends what part of the research interests you? Archeology, genetics, language? For Archeology, for a non-academic, I would recommend The Horse, The Wheel, and Language by Anthony. Genetics is harder as it is changing so much, certainly in the last 5 years, and it is probably best to stick with papers for now. Language there are many books, Fortson's Indo-European Language and Culture is a good start. If you want something that goes more in depth at the level I teach but still readable, then I would recommend either Puhvel's Comparative Mythology, or the more academic Lincoln's Myth, Cosmos, and Society. I do reference the key books I have used in most my video descriptions, so you'll see similar ones keep cropping up too.
That's great, I'll take a look at all of them. I just bought 'Indo-Europeanization In the Mediterranean' by Fred Woudhuizen, but I may have overreached a bit! Lol. Thanks for the info it's much appreciated. 👍
I've watched several of your videos and find them very interesting. My question is - since the PIE folk left no written record, how do we know any of this? Are these reconstructions of the myths based on the oldest committed to writing IE myths from Asia and Europe?
A great question, and it is based on deduction. If we have the similar stories containing similar details in different places, and we see evidence that the people telling those stories have relative DNA, then it would make sense that they came from a single source. Yes, it is hypothetical because there is no source, but explaining it by any other means, such as Jungian theory just doesn’t hold up. I have remade these videos more recently which gives a better explanation of this. I hope this helps, and it can be applied to any cultures myths where we have no written record, not just PIE.
Σβήνεται το σχόλιό μου👏👏👏 γιατί δεν μπορείτε να απαντήσετε 👍 Ένας άνθρωπος με νοημοσύνη δεν γίνεται και δεν μπορεί να πιστεύει σε αόριστα πράγματα Είναι παραμύθια μόνο για μικρά παιδιά Συνεχίστε την πλάνη σας Καλό ταξίδι στον παραμυθένιο κόσμο σας
@@Crecganford Περιμένω να μου στείλετε το βίντεο και είμαι πάρα πολύ περίεργες!!!!!!!!!! Του Ομήρου η Ιλιάδα ήταν μύθος πριν 100 χρόνια περίπου αποδείχτηκε όμως ιστορία!!!!!!!!!! Δεν μου γράψατε τι από όλα αυτά που έγραψα ήταν αγενές ;;;;;;;;; Προσωπικά πιστεύω ότι αν δεν αρέσει κάτι το βαφτίζουν αγενές παραμύθι μύθο και τα λοιπά. Μιας και τα Ελληνικά είναι η μητρική μου γλώσσα μπορώ να καταλάβω την διαφορά του παραμυθιού από τον μύθο. Ο μύθος περιέχει στίγματα/στοιχεία ιστορίας γεωλογίας ιατρικής παράδειγμα : Ο Προμηθέας έδωσε στους ανθρώπους την φωτιά και ο Δίας τον τιμώρησε και τον έδεσε στον Καύκασο και κάθε ημέρα ένας αετός του έτρωγε το ήπαρ. Γιατί να του τρώει το ήπαρ και όχι κάποιο άλλο όργανο;;;;;; γιατί το ήπαρ είναι το μοναδικό ανθρώπινο όργανο που αν κόψουμε ένα κομμάτι αυτό από μόνο του θα γίνει πάλι ολόκληρο πράγμα που κανένα άλλο ανθρώπινο όργανο δεν μπορεί να κάνει. Υπάρχουν πάρα πολλά τέτοια παράδειγμα όπως υπάρχει και η ετυμολογία που μας αποδεικνύει πάρα πολλά και διάφορα. Ζητώ συγνώμη αν το σχόλιό μου αγενές (που για μένα ΔΕΝ ΗΤΑΝ) δεν έχω κανέναν λόγο αλλά και καμιά διάθεση να είμαι αγενής. Θα το ξανά γράφω διαφορετικά και θα το ξαναστείλω. Θα χαρώ πάρα πολύ να μου απαντήσετε. Σάς ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ εκ των προτέρων. Να είσαστε πάντα καλά
Thank you for making there videos. It is eye opening to see how long the myth of 'sky daddy' has existed, long before anyone heard of Abraham or Jesus.
@@Crecganford "Consideration"? or political invention? Also, weren't the "Sea Peoples" Indo Europeans (Philistines) who moved into the Levant and pushed the goat-herding locals (Semitic tribes) into the hills where they invented YHWH as a consequence?
QUESTION: So far we don't have a name for the PIE, but recognize their imprint on subsequent cultures. Can we count the first known cultures, such as Corded Ware, Celts, etc as PIEs. They didn't leave languages, but left artefacts that archaeologist compare. Can languages tell us when the PIE morphed or transitioned into distinctive early ethnic groups? Pottery can be traded btw people with different culture, language and over huge distances. I don't trust all of the hypotheses associated with pottery. To my way of thinking, language provides greater insight. It takes longer for languages to change and travel. Otherwise, by now we'd all speak half a dozen languages, just as we all where jeans and tees. Material culture is easier to share.
Similar patterns on pottery and ways of making them should be due to either diffusion and thus contact - trade, warfare, marriage, population movement or due to what is called “homology” in evolutionary biology: similar challenges are reacted to by similar types of ‚answers‘ without directly connected evolutionary lineages. Examples like Cucuteni-Tripolye style pottery from around 3000 BCE about 40 generations later around 2000 BCE in North China are very intriguing. Did some populations move - undetected - East, was there exchange (maybe mediated be a third party), did we just not look for and note the connecting links, or is it independent development of the same style?
Yes, but more as an additional confirmation of a change rather than can be used to evidence the change on its own. If you read Anthony’s The Horse, The Wheel, and Language, he explains it nicely in there. But I will try and find some video about it, as I spoke to Jackson Crawford about a colleague of his who taught PIE linguistics, and it was videoed, or I think it was. Leave it with me.
So Yemo's body parts created all classes of men, and the world, and so it was right that the king was also made from all these parts. And because of the cyclical nature of the PIE mythology, this would seem appropriate. However, I agree with you that as myths developed, so Manus would often become King in those stories, especially where the actual purpose of Yemo was forgotten. We see this type of mythological change most in stories such as Romulus and Remus.
According to hinduism Yama or Yamaraj is deity of death (not the supreme god). First man is known to be Manu or Manus and both are sanskrit words. Manu is the forefather of evry human. Yama resides in Yamlok and not on earth while Manu lived on earth. This is all written in hinduism scriptures. Most of the greek and other god stories are derived, misinterpreted, mis compilation of order of stories and characters in hinduism. 🙏
@@sci-shastraq1429 Thank you! Based on the variations of the names, mostly, I think John the Baptist might be a faint echo of Yama. The Chinese Buddhist names for Yama sound a lot like various dialect names for John. The Baptist is a cousin, not a brother, he dies, he doesn't become king or judge of the dead, but Jesus does. But St. John was very judgmental when he was alive.
@@sci-shastraq1429 it's not that they are mis-compiled they both just simply set off in opposing geographical directions and connections before they were ever written down, there are also those that argue due to etymological language types and development (Yama/Yami/Ymir/Tuisto for example Masculine/Feminine respectively) that maybe Yemo is a primordial being representing both sexes in which case the division would become more of an explanation of the layered relationship between the sky god/sky father and mother earth so to speak and the cyclic nature of rain and sacrifice and the coming of the crops.
That's a great question, but one I can't answer as I have never seen it answered for the PIE culture. The bovine was an ox in the Indo-European, and then evolved to a cow due understanding that the females were important in breeding them, and with this change there may have been a name lost. The only name I've seen in a creation myth, that we have a record of, is that of Auðhumbla from Old Norse tales. And I believe the consensus agree that it means "hornless cow with plenty of milk". So there seems to be no link to a personal name, just its agricultural value.
I don't struggle with your accent, I struggle with the volume. I live in a state that feels like the center of the sun most days, which requires really strong fans that make a lot of noise. Even on the lowest level, it's so loud, so it's really hard to hear this. So thank you for the subtitles.
Hopefully in my newer videos the audio is much better, and it is improving all the time as I learn how to use this technology. I also have subtitles on most videos which I transcribe myself and so are normally very accurate if that also helps.
Is Trito a precursor to Tyr and Manu a precursor to Odin? Also the idea that the individual is the entirety of the cosmos and vice versa is one of the most profound aspects of advaita Vedanta with the idea that the atman is the Brahman.
So, we have Priest, King, Warrior -- who represented the people, peasants, crafters, food producers, etc. and who the poets who confer the fame that is immortal?
There were the food givers, the commoners as the lowest class. No one really represented them, although the weaker of the divine twins inferred this position.
They did go to sacred places and worship, by slicing up or stringing up living creatures, mostly. Not the same as a Mass with a symbolic sacrifice, no. But the Christian churches were built on the sacred places, or near them. The bloody groves of Diana.
Proto Indo-Europeans did this? Do you have a reference for this? I know this happened in the European cultures, but I have not read about this in earlier cultures.
@@Crecganford Well, proto IE people are a human construct, right? Based on clues. But if their creation myth involves taking apart a human or a cow, sounds like they were slicing up humans and animals in a ritual. The Celts had a word for sacred grove that is found wherever they lived, across the world. (Can't remember what it was.) Greeks had sacred groves, too. What's your reference that PIE people didn't gather in a sacred place and have rituals?
@@watermelonlalala you can't prove a negative, and PIE is a hyperthetical language that a real culture probably spoke. That culture is the one where I have not seen proof of the kind of sacrifice you talk about, and so am just asking how we know they did.
in avesta and shahname trito in ngwhi are freydyoon and zehhak the serpent king with loaning from mesopotamian myth sargon the akadyain birth wich inspired the muses story too
@@zipperpillow no. I definitely meanth on. My breath has been stolen and he's baiting me. Now I'm stuck in the trap with my breath seeingnit but not being able to use it. I know it's not the origional context, but that fact isn't going to change my perminant mental image of me needing to knaw my own leg off to get out of this trap and in the meantime this vile of my breath is just sitting there, unusable. So I'm just gonna keep saying it wrong and laugh at my silly mental image while weirding out the person correcting me. 😂
As someone interested in indo European history, I've noticed the three to be having somewhat special status. Be it the tripartite system, trinities, three original Vedas, three days of yule and Christianity, trident, three commandments of zoroastrianism. Is it really peculiar to Info European myths, or am I just imagining?
@@konigkarl89 In terms of the specific history of the British Isles, yes. But it is not significant in the spread of PIE culture, as Britain was an island by the time the Early European Farmers arrived.
In hinduism the caste system has the preiests which are brahmins, warriors which are kshatriyas. Manus in marathi which is an indo european language means man. Was hinduism the religion of protoindoeuropeans? I feel it may very well be.
Hinduism in a strict sense is too ‘new’, however, it contains motifs and elements that may very well be traced back to a common origin (with other belief systems) in PIE beliefs and allow to - partially - reconstruct what this belief system may have looked like.
In short, Hinduism was has strong influences from the Indo-Iranians, who came from the Indo-Europeans. It is the reason for example as to why the cow is sacred, and why there is that caste system.
Keep believing these foreigners and you'll be lost. Go to traditions not these fakesters and posers. Same with acdemia. They all perpetuate lies.. Your only true guides will be panthas
This is similar to Thomas Jefferson's quote on the Tree of Liberty. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." It is through the acceptance of ones need of self sacrifice does will manifest itself. This will allows you to shape the world around you, via your actions, which are remembered.
@@zipperpillow The focus obviously shouldn't be to attack our own peoples. There is absolutely no point in brother wars when there are more critical concerns.
Ινδοευρωπαϊκη ΘΕΩΡΙΑ και η κατάρριψή της αξίζει να διαβαστεί Δεν μας λένε οι της ινδοευρωπαϊκης ΘΕΩΡΙΑΣ τα εξής : ποιος ο λόγος να αφήσουν τα πάτρια εδάφη και νά πάρουν το δρόμο της ξενιτιάς για άγνωστες περιοχές;;;;; Πως μετακινήθηκαν και με τη;;;; και προς πιά κατεύθυνση ;;;; πόσοι ήταν ;;;; πότε μετακινήθηκαν;;;; Αν μετακινηθηκαν από την κοιτίδα (την τωρινή) μια η περισσότερες φορές;;;;; Αφήσαν συγγενείς πίσω η φύγαν όλοι μαζί;;;; Πως πέρασαν λαγκάδια θάλασσες βουνά ;;;;;; (ειδικά οι πιο αδύναμη γυναίκες παιδιά γέροι η μήπως τούς παράτησαν εκεί ;;;;;) Πώς ήξεραν ότι θα βρουν τροφή ικανή να τους θρέψη όλους για τόσο μεγάλο διάστημα μετακινήσεων ;;;;;; Ποιος ο πολιτισμός τους στον πολύ παγωμένο βορρά ;;;;; Τη πρόσφεραν στην ανθρωπότητα για να μιλάμε για πολιτισμό ;;;;;; Γιατί παγκοσμίως σε κανέναν λαό δεν αναφέρεται ΠΟΥΘΕΝΑ αυτή η (μεγάλη ;;;μικρή ;;;;) μετακίνηση ;;;; (από ιστορικός γεωγράφους της αρχαιότητας) Υπάρχουν γραπτά μνημεία όπως στους αρχαίους Έλληνες και πια ;;;; και που είναι ;;;; Γιατί ανθρωπολογικα διαφέρουμε από τους Ινδούς και πως αλλάξαμε τόσο πολύ η αντίστροφα οι Ινδοί αλλάξαν τόσο πολύ ;;;;; και πότε έγινε αυτή η μεταμόρφωση;;;; Οι κοιτίδα τον ινδοευρωπαιον γιατί έχει αλλάξει τόσες πολλές φορές ;;;;; (Από μικρά Ασία μέχρι Σκανδιναβία - Πολωνία και Κασπία που βρίσκεται προς το παρόν = όλα αυτά πάντα με βάση τον κάθε ινδοευρωπαϊστη) Αρχαιολογικά γιατί δεν υπάρχει κάτι που θα τεκμηριώνει 100% την ύπαρξη των ινδοευρωπαιων (χωρίς ίσως μάλλον μπορεί και κατά πάσα πιθανότητα) και αν υπάρχουν ποια είναι αυτά ;;;;; Άφησαν τεκμήρια μόνο στην κοιτίδα τους (την τωρινή αν δεν έχει μετακόμιση πάλι και δεν το γνωρίζω) και αν ναι γιατί μόνο εκεί και ποιος ο λόγος ;;;;;; Οι ινδοευρωπαϊκες ρίζες (που της φτιάξανε αυθαίρετα μόνοι τους χωρίς παράδοση χωρίς......ΤΙΠΟΤΑ απολύτως) στην ινδοευρωπαϊκη γλωσσολογία γιατί αλλάζουν συνεχώς ρίζα ;;;;;;;; και ποιος ο λόγος γιατί;;;;;;;;;;; Γιατί στην Ελληνική γλώσσα και όχι στην γλώσσα υπάρχουν ετυμολογιες που. παραπέμπουν σε γεωλογικά (και όχι μόνο) γεγονότα όπως π.χ Μεσόγειος θάλασσα μέση γη θάλασσα δηλαδή πριν γίνει θάλασσα η Μεσόγειος όπως την γνωρίζουμε σήμερα ;;;;;;; Αυτό δηλώνειοτι οι Έλληνες βρίσκονται στην σημερινή Ελλάδα πριν η Μεσόγειος Θάλασσα πάρει την σημερινή της μορφή. (υπάρχουν πάρα πολλά τέτοια παραδείγματα στην Ελληνική γλώσσα) Πώς γίνεται ο των ινδοευρωπαιον ως νομάδες να έχουν την λέξη δήμος από το damos αφού με την λέξη αυτή θα πρέπει να υπάρχει μόνιμη εγκατάσταση για να υπάρχει δήμος ;;;;;;;; Η λέξη ναύς από το naus δηλώνει ότι θα έπρεπε να είχαν και κάποια γνώση στην ναυσιπλοΐα γιατί υπάρχει μόνο αυτή η λέξη στην ;;;;;;;;;;;; Πώς γίνεται οι ινδοευρωπαιοι σαν νομάδες να τριγυρνάνε στην θάλασσα ;;;;;;;και ποια θάλασσα;;;; τής Κασπίας ;;;;;της Μεσογείου ;;;;;του Ατλαντικού ;;;; και τα λοιπά. Τη απάντηση (αν μπορούν) έχουν για του Πλάτων το βιβλίο Μενεξενος 237 δ, ε ;;;;;;;;;;;; Τη απάντηση έχουν για το Τίμαιος και Κριτίας του Πλάτων που αναφέρει ιστορία Ελληνική πολλών χιλιάδων χρόνον ;;;;;;;;;; Την Ατλαντίδα δεν την βρήκαμε όμως βρήκαμε της Μυκήνες και την Τροία που πριν 100 χρόνια (περίπου) ήταν στην σφαίρα τον παραμυθιών. Τι έχουν να μας πουν ότι ΟΛΟΙ η ανθρωπολόγη μιλάνε για καυκάσια φυλή και όχι για ινδοευρωπαϊκη φυλή ;;;;;;;;;; Τι έχουν να μας πουν οι ινδοευρωπαϊστες ιστορικοί που ο Harald Haarmann στο βιβλίο του Die Indoeuropäer κατατάσσει την Ελληνική γλώσσα των Μακεδόνων στον κλάδο των Σλάβικων γλωσσών με ινδοευρωπαϊκη καταγωγή ;;;;;;;;; Γιατί όταν οι Πέρσες ήρθαν να κατακτήσουν την Ελλάδα είπαν στους Έλληνες ότι έχουμε κοινή Ελληνική καταγωγή (έχουμε πρόγονο των Περσεύς) και δεν είπαν για ινδοευρωπαϊκη καταγωγή ;;;;;; Γιατί δεν υπάρχει ιστορία η έστω μυθολογία για ινοευρωπαίους σε κανέναν λαό ;;;;;;;;;; Γιατί άλλαξε τόσο πολλά ονόματα αυτή η όπως π.χ. Ινδογερμανικη (που υπάρχει ακόμα σήμερα) Ινδοϊρανικη, Ινδοάρια, και τα λοιπά. ;;;;;; και γιατί δεν συμφώνησαν εξ αρχής ;;;;;; μήπως γιατί υπάρχουν πίσω από αυτό συμφέροντα ;;;;;;; και αν ναι. πια είναι αυτά ;;;;; Πως γίνεται γλωσσολογικά να συγκρίνουμε γλώσσες με απόσταση μέχρι και 1200 χρόνων π.χ. τα Ελληνικά του 8ου αιώνα προ Χριστού. με τα γοτθικά του 4ου αιώνα μετά Χριστού. και πως μπορεί το αποτέλεσμα να είναι σωστό ;;;;;;; Πως γίνεται να μιλάμε για πρώτο ινδοευρωπαίους όταν δεν έχουν λυθεί τόσο σοβαρά ερωτήματα σαν αυτά που έθεσε πιο πάνω ;;;;;Θα μπορούσα να γράψω πολύ περισσότερα αλλά αυτά τα λίγα φτάνουν και περισσεύουν. Πηγές : 1) Άννα Τζιροπούλου Ευσταθίου Αρχιγένεθλος Ελληνική Γλώσσα 2) Κώστας Σκανδάλης Η αθέατη όψη του Ινδοευρωπαϊκού ζητήματος 3) Γεώργιος Πολυμερος Οι ινδοευρωπαίοι και οι Έλληνες 4) Ιωαν.Δ.Πασσα Η αληθινή προϊστορία και. άλλα πολλά.
