Indonesia Cantonese & Malaysia Cantonese (History of Cantonese vs Seiyap 四邑 Siyi dialect) 

Thank you SO MUCH for your comment, you know so much and I learnt from you. Appreciating it :) let me pin your comment and more people will get to read your message🙏

@@FearlessPassport Thank you for your appreciation. Just a small follow-up: the ad hoc creations of characters can, in some cases, make even more sense. For instance, the (non-gender-specific) third person is now rendered as 佢 , while originally it was 渠 : using the "human" radical puts the character in a much more sensible category, and we are all better off when 渠 lost that particular contextual meaning.

Yeah lol Jet li zhong guo de ren hahaha

@@yingghit97 Jet Li bushi dalu zhongguo ren. ta shi xinjiapo gongheguo ren. 李连杰不是大陆中国人。他是新加坡共和国人。

Wow

You're welcome! Thank you so mucb for watching, Sharon☺

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 would have prevented Tsiah Up from becoming the native Chinese language in the US. Chinese were brought to the US in large numbers to build the Transcontinental Railroad, but almost immediately the US government realized it had made a mistake when the Chinese started building Chinatowns up and down the West Coast and into the Western prairies. Hence, the US congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 making it impossible for any Chinese to ever become US permanent residents or citizens. Some of the smaller Chinatowns were burned down, but it was impossible to completely eradicate the bigger Chinatowns in places like San Francisco. However, the Chinese forever remained foreign citizens and the US government went to to the nearest Chinese consulate for adjucation, if unrest like a Tong (Triad) war broke out in the Chinese community. The Chinatowns were bachelor communities with influxes of illegal Chinese men, but Chinese women strictly barred. The US still needed cheap Chinese labor, but was scared to death of being overrun by Chinese communities. Finally, around 1943, when the Koumintang were our Allies in fighting the Japanese, we realized the Koumintang might not remain our Allies, if the Kuomintang found out that we completely excluded Chinese from ever becoming US permanent residents or citizens. The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed and a quota was set for Chinese immigration. It was easier to get into the US from Hong Kong and Taiwan. Before the historic opening of China with US President Nixon and Chairman Mao Tse Tung in maybe 1971, most US Chinese immigrants came from Hong Kong and Taiwan. I worked with a Chinese Engineer, Yong Teoh, in the 1980's, who said he was Chinese, but he was born in Malaysia. However, that was the rarity. Chinese were from Hong Kong or Taiwan. 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃

This dialect is a wonder, from sarcasm to dark humor and scolding, if not in cantonese then tak puas langsung hahaha 😂

I'm from Ipoh too! I talk cantonese to my girlfriend, she didn't speak cantonese when she was young. Future I'd teach my children to speak cantonese. A lot from Ipoh speak cantonese. My great grandfather walked here from guang xi china, he was sent to vietnam war long time ago but he settled in Malaysia.

@@FlamerzZz Oh wow! Guangxi people attended the Vietnam war? How come?

@@FearlessPassport I have no idea! That's what little of him that he told me before of his passing.

@@FlamerzZz That is really interesting, I didnt know overseas Chinese took part in Vietnam war. Could be someone brought him in there from southern China?

zi6 gei2 jan4, salam kenal dr Bandung....sy jg org Konghu yg jg nggak bisa bhs konghu wkwkwk

Hi Angelica! Happy that the youtube algoritm brought you to my channel, nice meeting you too! Appreciating your effort in preserving the dialects, not many youngsters can speak it now. I don't speak Toi San too unfortunately :(

Thank you so much Nina 🙏 every history is fascinating, probably the chinese diaspora one are less spoken :)

Thank you Song! Thanks for spending your 10 minutes with me too 😁

Thank you for sharing the details of CANTONESE. I believe I can now conclude that Cantonese is indeed an oral language rather than merely a dialect.

Thank you Melodies! Hope this video is provide some info for you :)

@@chouxfanny5480 kamu dari Indonesia kah?

Appreciating your time in watching, Jerre :))) Nice meeting you too! Are you currently living in Malaysia too? Your grandparent has a wonderful fate together. They met in a foreign land then migrated to a new land too. Must be a lot of story to tell :)

Thank you Lionel for watching :)

Too much work on a book 😂 if book need to be very in depth research.

Thank you so much 北海老伍🙏 glad you liked the video. And appreciate your time in watching so many videos ✨✨

Must be a beauty and full with colonial buildings :) I have not been to the southern counties of China, just Foshan for work..but after these research, Toishan is one of my bucket list :)

^ Great username ^_^

Amongst the Seiyup dialects, I find the Toishan & Hoiping dialects very similar. But the XinHui dialect is quite different.

Banzai ? In Cantonese, it's "Man Sui" & in Hokkien, it's "Ban Hui".

@@danielboey1312 Thanks bro! Ban hui

Thank you hehe :) yaya they most prob speak Toishanese, a little different than standard cantonese :)

Thank you Beautiful Dream :) Yes I also made a video on Hakka, you may check that out on my channel!

A lot of research needed in this video, but still it is a tip of iceberg. Hopefully you can come out a more comprehensive video!

Thank you Garry 🙏🙏 cantonese is the lingua franca alrd in Ipoh..even Indians there can speak better Cantonese than some chinese 😂

Thank you Peter. Hope you speak Toishanese too! Keep the dialect going!

@@FearlessPassport Ya, hope all Chinese will not 4get their mother's tongue. Sadly, sometimes circumstance is such, being immigrants, u do not have people of the same dialect among you to perpetuate it. I know some of my Hinghua, Foochow, Hainese, Guanxi... have lost their mothertongues. Ho Sic!

Aww thank you Ashley!✨✨

you're so cute!!! I really want to be your friend~

Here are two questions for you. What annoys you most about making youtube videos? What keeps you going making them 😀

Do you think Mandarin will overtake Cantonese as the main dialect in Hong Kong now so many mainland Chinese is moving to HK, and the Beijing government is imposing more of their rules?

@@tonypalms4717 I dun think so according to my daughter who is based HK. Cantonese is still the main dialect spoken in HK in offices or at home.

you can try use Zoom and email to link up with cantonese speaker. all the best from Kuala Lumpur

Thank you Francis :) appreciate your time in watching the video. Yes many of us forget the roots. Time to time its good to appreciate how much our ancestors endured for us to have the good life now.

Hi Ben :) Thank you for watching, hope you're still in touch with cousins in Msia and Burma :) Do you cousin in Burma still speak their mother tongue?

Yaya tomorrow I have to start editing for the Hainam one :) hope it will turn out great :)

Thank you and appreciate your watching Kevin :)))

No one give a f bout ur language. If u really luv and preserve ur culture. Then go back to china la.

@@wowe943 what is your business here. No one asked for your opinion. If u don’t like it then why bother watching this video and commenting it? Culture are meant to be preserved. If everyone like u don’t give a damn about their culture, there will not be any of this languages or dialects left. Adopting other cultures is not a bad thing. If u do not appreciate ur culture it’s ur business. Don’t criticise on others who care about it. Why bother learning other languages when u can’t even speak ur own mother tongue? Another thing, preserving one’s culture doesn’t mean we need to go back to where the culture came from. Are u trying to imply that English speaking people must go back to England as this is where the language came from.

@@ronniekoh2226 dah banyak kali aku jumpa cina yang tak sedar diri macam kau ni. Kau duduk malaysia berpuluh tahun just too make money here. because in china yall chinese hard to become rich right 😂. Kau tu hanya menumpang disini. Kau mana tau sejarah dan bahasa rasmi malaysia. Dah berpuluh tahun cina macam kau eksploit our natural resources and make profit for themselve to become rich. And when we make bumiputra policy yall say we're racist. Chinese in malaysia is different than the one in indonesia and thailand because they arrogant and don't assimilate with the local that's why there are more like chinese in china 😂. U see chinese in indonesia don't even like to be called cina and they speak bahasa more than cina in malysia. That's why they more unite.

@@wowe943 hello bang I preserve my culture doesn’t make me less Malaysian ok. Saya lahir di Malaysia. Saya ini rakyat Malaysia. Takkan saya tak boleh mengekalkan budaya saya. We are a multicultural nation. Malaysia adalah sebuah negara berbilang kaum dan budaya. Apa salah saya mengekalkan budaya saya.?

@@wowe943 lol feel so proud of systematic racism against Chinese Malaysian? Stupid religious nuts wonder why they can’t compete with Chinese counterparts

Vietnamese is actually.... Chinese..... As well....

I'll try in the future!

@@FearlessPassport thanks !!! 🙇‍♂️

I think only the Yunnanese came to Myanmar overland while the other Chinese like those from Guangdong and Fujian came by sea through the Malacca Strait or crossing over the Isthmus of Kra, no? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'd love to know more

@@liongkienfai104 Yes that is pretty much true. Some of the Kokang Chinese have ancestry from Nanjing. However most are Yunnanese ancestry. There is also Panthay (Hui) and the Wa people, who are not Chinese ethnicity but speak Chinese.

@@Joseph-qd9ew , there are also descendants of the Kuomintang army who had earlier crossed into Burma in 1949 when they lost the war with the communists. They married local women but their descendants were schooled in the Chinese language, live out the Chinese culture but hardly looked Chinese !

Thank you !

Yes, Canton was the capital of Kwangtung.

@@danielboey1312 Yes, so in English, "Cantonese" is actually correct, as it refers to the language of Canton (Guangzhou), so it corresponds to "Guangzhouhua" or "Guangfuhua"... ...whereas "Guangdongwa" is a misnomer as Seiyap, Hakka dialects & even Teochew (all spoken within Guangdong province) isn't standard "Cantonese" & Hakka/Teochew isn't even Yue, the linguistic term for the language group .

IMO, Canton was derived from Guangdong or Kwantung

Yesss agree, not syok reading subtitles or listen to the translation in Mandarin or in another language 😁

Umm..this is quite difficult haha. Perhaps I'll try!

Thank you Micah! Terima kasih banyak atas dukungan Pak 🙏

Gabung sama Perwaguzsi (Perhimpunan Guangzhao) yuk ko. Kalau di Sumsel ada cabang di Makassar.

Thank you Juan, please share this to your relatives and friends! Before this research, I have not known anything about Cantonese in Indonesia too. So I learnt a lot while researching this :)

Hi I am Indonesian hakka , I feel not many Cantonese in Indonesia, is your ancestor from Sze Yap area?

​@@sho9214 There's a lot but mostly don't speak the language anymore because they spread out, which is why you wont notice them unless they explicitly say it. Yeeven already clarified that in the video. Especially since many Chinese Indonesians are detached from their roots, and simply wish to identify as Indonesian only, it makes it even harder to identify who is Cantonese and who isn't. And that's without mentioning intermarriage. If a Cantonese marries a Hakka and their kids grow up in Bangka where Hakka is the lingua franca amongst the Chinese community, do you think they will identify staunchly as Cantonese, or simply assimilate into the general Bangka Chinese/Hakka identity? Of course it's the latter, especially due to Orde Baru, which made solidarity amongst Chinese Indonesians even more important. I have many Cantonese friends from Medan, but they never mention it unless you pry about it, simply because it's not a common conversation topic, and not important to how one is taught to identify in Indonesia. What matters more in Indonesia is simply your religion (i.e. Buddhist), city of origin (i.e. Palembang), and ethnic group (i.e. Tionghoa). Think about it, in Indonesia once we know someone is from Medan, Bintan, Singkawang, we assume they speak Hokkien/Teochew/Hakka, and by extent that that person is Hokkien/Teochew/Hakka. But who actually knows? The person from Medan could be Hokciu/Cantonese but can only speak Hokkien, the person from Bintan could have Hainanese ancestry mixed with Teochew, and the person from Singkawang could have Hinghwa ancestry mixed with Hakka. These are not made up examples, I actually know countless people like this. Mostly in Indonesia we are from Seiyap, especially Kaiping and Xinhui. Because Seiyap language is also similar to Hakka, it makes blending in easier. But there are also others from Zhongshan, Nanhai, Panyu, Shunde, Baoan, Zengcheng, Dongguan, Qingyuan, Sihui, etc.These areas also have many Hakka, and some Min (related to Teochew, Hainanese, Hokkien), so multilingualism is common. If someone comes to Indonesia from one of these areas, say Zengcheng, that speaks both Cantonese and Hakka, is this person Cantonese or Hakka? Again, since Hakka is used as a lingua franca in parts of Indonesia, this person would likely just blend into the community. Cantonese also don't have as much solidarity as Hakka ci-ka-ngin or Teochew ka-ki-nang, so there is not as much drive to retain ones ancestral identity. As I've outlined, there are many factors at play here as to why you don't notice us.

@@liongkienfai104 I only met 2 Cantonese in my life. It’s funny becos usually once u are closer to someone u will know their dialect group though they cannot speak it anymore. As I mentioned Cantonese is really minority in Indonesia , I never think they don’t exist in Indonesia though. I know your point, many Hakkas in Medan too but they can speak Hokkian cos it’s the lingua Franca there. And mostly Chinese in Java island don’t speak Chinese anymore so it’s difficult to trace their real dialect group.

@@sho9214 my father hongkongers and my mom chinese Indonesian (semarang) but idk abt her ancestors , so i have cantonese blood from my dad

sotoy = idiot yang 'sok tau'. That clarify the etymology

Pak Liong berasal dari kota Jakarta?

@@danielboey1312 是啊，當地椰城唐人

@@liongkienfai104 , maaf ya, saya gak tau baca tulisan China...

Wow, fascinating. Do you & your family (still) speak Seiyap or Kwongfu? When did they go to Jakarta? Ming dynasty, Qing or Republic period?

Thank you Steve for your time in watching :)

I think you can learn it from the internet, though you might not have the chance to practice it often. Try discord or find Seiyap community group from Facebook, there's a lot of overseas Taishanese.

Those lessons from the internet are very basic. And most of them are from North America. Their Toishanese is of a different variant from the Malaysian variant. Those in Malaysia who can speak are in their 60's & above.

I can teach you speak this dialect as I m Taishanese.

I wish you abundance of happiness and bliss in overseas while still keeping the culture because your ancestors must had a very difficult life to establish everything for what you have now✨✨

Thank you Ivan, your encouragement means a lot to me. Appreciating your time!

Thank you for watching too! Appreciating it from Malaysia :)

Yes, this video is not easy especially when I have to look for Toishanese speakers 😂

@Apollo In Chinese language the northern dialects like Mandrain don't have final consonants like p, t, k. This is called 入聲 in Chinese, besides 平聲, 上聲and 去聲 . Mandrain has 2 final consonants only-n and ng.

@@laurencechan470 Thanks for the explanation 😃

@@FearlessPassport I speak a little bit of Hoisan va! Besides final p, t,k there is the final m too!

Thanks Radzlan :) it's kinda a lingua franca in the Central part of Malaysia :)

@@FearlessPassport thanks for your time replying despite having lots of comments. Subscribed for you to go further. I found out your channel in your friend's post on his loosing weight journey. What a coincidence

I love the cantonese because its so unique, some humour is best only in Cantonese, not in Mandarin. only cantonese speakers will get the joke.

@@FearlessPassport DEFINITELY enhances any viewing of a Chow sing Chi movie [unfortunately, I miss most of the nuances, having only a 'toddler's' knowledge of Cantonese :'( ]

So glad to have you Jeffrey, it was so hard to get Cantonese speakers from Philippines, I was hoping to featured some of you in the video. Hows your fluency in Cantonese?

@@FearlessPassport Yes, we Cantonese here are quite rare and also shy too :D. I speak Cantonese with my parents. Fluency wise perhaps a HK/Guangdong native will sense that I m a non-native. Archaic terms are still being used "绿衣" for police. "欢喜“ for Happy. Though I can only speak for myself. As my Cantonese friends may use different terms.

@@jeffreydescartin5324 Thank you for sharing. I was told the second largest group of Chinese is Hakka. How true is that?

Actually Msian cantonese is quite standard like the Hong Kong one, just that we add some loan words eg "su ma" in Cantonese representing "semua" , in actual it should be " quan bou" or informally " ham ba lang" 😂

Hakka also has some characters which aren’t used in other dialects

I learnt Cantonese by watching Hong Kong movies and dramas growing up and it was joy learning the language and when I finished my secondary school and college, I went to KL to work and been living here ever since and has spoken the language daily for more than 10 years now. Am really glad that Malaysia have environment to speak Cantonese like in KL, Ipoh, Seremban and Sandakan. It is an important Chinese language apart from Mandarin of course. Cantonese is probably the second most important language in China after Mandarin. To me, Cantonese is a very expressive language and even shrewd. Yes, if you think in Cantonese when comes to business and investment, you are less likely to get cheated because of how the language expresses or describes if a deal or business is considered worthy and even could identify a scam or fraud. This explains why many Cantonese people are good in investment and even speculation and Guangdong province is the richest province in China. Don't forget the Cantonese people even outsmarted George Soros in Hong Kong during the financial crisis in late 1990s when he tried to attack Asian currencies!!

@@FearlessPassport nice info... thank you :D

@@sho9214 oh I see... thank you :D

Thank you Stanley once again for watching :)