It has never been reported as a problem when for years European countries freely imported raw nickel at lower price. Once it is banned by Indonesian government and companies are obliged to build smelter in Indonesia, nickel becomes more expensive, so it becomes an environmental issue today. Your concern is not for the environment but for your industries. What a hyporcite!
Ha! As Indonesian myself, I already knew this for more than 4 years ago. Yet you guys european didn't mention it at all. You guys just starting to see it after our government stop the export and want to process it by ourselves. Keep screaming about environment issue you hypocrites! You guys just didn't get the share of out nickel😂
There is no such thing as 100% clean energy. No matter what humans consume we affect the environment. What we need to do is consume a lot less and be responsible for our actions.
It's been there for 10 years, and why they only make the news of it after Indonesia tried to ban the export of it in the raw form? 😅 they hate paying more huh
I have worked in indonesian nickel mining for more than 22 years, i think not all nickel mines in Indonesia ignore environment pollution, many nickel mines care about environmental sustainably, but what is reported from outsiders is only the bad, good things are not reported. Exploitation of existing natural resources are use to advance economy, for the welfare of the people of Indonesia, it has to be continued. Indeed the government of Indonesia should be more assertive in supervising mining that violate regulations and ignore the environment, but to say that all nickel mines in Indonesia are environment destroyers is an exageration.
I agree 👍 with your point uk always report bad thing they cant comment on chinese exploit nature in asia bro you know media is like nuclear weapons in democracy? They always mis use but ignore them dont matter 😂
If you're in a bus with 5 other person, one of them stole your wallet. Why do you keep ranting and shouting about him? Why don't you also praise the other 4 person who didn't stole your wallet? One one out of five person stole your wallet, why bother to chase that one? You should praise and thank the other 4 for not stealing your wallet, they're the majority after all 😂😂😂😂 please explain his paradox to me..... and then please apply the same logic your comment
@@kaptenhiu5623 give your openinon about justice If a gang of 5 rape a girl and one of those are innocent but drank and thier sperm is finally get on lady ? How you find clue
This is what Happen when Indonesia ban Nickle export to get up value chain... They concern about minimum Nickle mine enviroment damage....BLOWN THE PROBLEM OUT OF PROPORTION ! If we Indonesian export raw nickle to EU, they wont talk about this.. SHAME ON WEST NEOCOLONIALISM PROPAGANDA, THEY WANT TO KEEP INDONESIA POOR.
If we Westerners did it, it is not pollution, but if Asian countries did it, it is pollution. I have heard that the EU currently causes the most carbon dioxide emissions in the world.🙂
Well, you heard wrong on two counts: (1) China and India are far larger emitters than the EU; (2) CO2 is not pollution - it’s literally the food of life for all plants - they can’t survive without it; indeed most plants evolved in CO2 levels at least three time higher than those at present.
@@sirrathersplendid4825: The EU (Germany) doesn't have enough clean natural gas energy, so they are now going to the old fashioned peat and coal power plants for manufactures.🙂
@@sirrathersplendid4825 Far larger emitters because of their population. If you want to look objectively, check out pollution per capita by country. The US, Eu countries and the Gulf States are by far the worst polluters, China and India don't even come close.
@@sadat_41 - Sure, if you add the magic phrase, ‘per capita’. Once again, though, it’s not ‘pollution’. It’s literally plant food and it’s still unproven that it is what is causing weather to change.
One reason why rare earth metals remains poorly competitive or nonexistent in much of the world is the extreme cost of environmental protection from strip mining and processing. The cost for a country to enact such laws is enormous. Of course one can simply ignore the damage and export at profit. The land surrounding and downstream and downwind will essentially be unusable for the remainder of human history.
Very strange. After Indonesia banned nickel exports to other countries including Europe, and had an impact on industry and unemployment in Europe, international media such as the BBC raised environmental issues, even though exports of nickel raw materials had been going on for years to Europe and no European media had raised environmental issues. What does BBC mean? Does Indonesia have to reopen nickel exports to Europe and you shut down any news about environmental issues, is that right? Where has the BBC been all this time? Unfair.
We need to stop being such tolerant to people destroying the earth because "it's their land, they can do whatever they want". We need someone to take better of care of this pronto
Very strange. After Indonesia banned nickel exports to other countries including Europe, and had an impact on industry and unemployment in Europe, international media such as the BBC raised environmental issues, even though exports of nickel raw materials had been going on for years to Europe and no European media had raised environmental issues. What does BBC mean? Does Indonesia have to reopen nickel exports to Europe and you shut down any news about environmental issues, is that right? Where has the BBC been all this time? Unfair.
I am married to an Indonesian woman and have been for almost 10 years. The majority of the country sits in poverty and corruption is high. This impact comes from greedy politicians lining their pockets and selling out to the chinese. Unlike Saudi Arabia here they will not see the money from the ground around them.
Your wife is a moron. She's coming from the corrupt province yet she blame it on the whole nation. Your wife is a moron, because she think time don't change.. Indonesia is developing really fast. Poverty are now only 9%.
Europe and US should thank Indonesia for the nickel export restrictions. because the price of steel will go up and the cost of the russian-ukranian war will be expensive. may the war end soon
West wants green tech but all minerals are badly mined from the Africa and South Asia. If their currency weren’t artificially strengthened they wouldn’t be able to afford this.
MELAKUKAN PROPAGANDA BUSUK DAN STANDAR GANDA TIDAK AKAN BISA MEMPERBAIKI EKONOMI BARAT YANG SUDAH MENDEKATI KEHANCURAN DAN MENGGALI KUBUR SENDIRI KARENA KESALAHAN MEREKA SENDIRI...
Going green only works if done responsibly. Unfortunately companies only care about £ € $ , we must make sure there is a right way to go green, and punish those who are out to make a quick buck.
@@Censortubes You mine once and re-use over and over again whilst restoring the mined environment as best as possible. Nickel, Lithium and many other materials used in green tech are recyclable and the recycling industries for those materials has been ramping up in the last decade. You can't recycle fossile fuels which would have have similar environmental costs to extract from the ground. That's where it becomes better. The biggest issue is recycling wind turbine blades though which is improving but isn't quite there yet
The western world is trying to pressed Indonesia when this country is developing rapidly while they are being hit by a multidimensional crisis. Sorry, but we don't sympathize and we don't care about your voice, no matter how determined you are to pressed us. Previously, you saw palm oil as oil produced from deforestation, but have you read reports that Indonesia's deforestation rate is slowing down compared to other countries? Dont forget in the past the western nation has greatly damaged the world and the consequences we are feeling today. Even now you are still trying to destroy the world with dirty politics through world organization institutions. Shame on you.
The original source is Habib Nadjar Buduha, a local conservationist who has been active since 2009, and he is raising a valid point. The nickel mines are located so close to one of Indonesia's most stunning destinations, Labengki and Sombori. Once the reefs there are destroyed by sediment, there is no turning back, and Indonesia will lose one of its gems forever.
Yes it is, this is an easy choice for those people who were poor before the mine came and they will still be poor when it is shut down. Now the only difference is that they will have the pollution to deal with and no money to fix their ecosystem.
Abs. Emerging markets are in long shot of catching up with West ESG. Poverty lift is #1 priority up, front and center.. these preachings clearly show ridiculous narrative of allying with EMs😂
Imagine if Indonesia didn't sell raw/semi-finished nickel to Europe? That's why the European Union is suing Indonesia at the WTO because it doesn't want to sell raw materials for batteries..What will ?What happened was just a lawsuit at the WTO and criticism from the IMF....
Just saying they don't include Nickel, bauxite, and other metal as environmental concerns until Indonesia recently banned their export to EU. Note : apparently Indonesia want to create factory inside their own country instead of selling them as raw materials(boosting their own economy). This upset EU so much that they force WTO and IMF to criticise, sue and slander Indonesia like this news. Very Funny. If it's environmental concerns, why only do it now after their interest get taken away?
What kind of ignorance I see among people commenting here. People blaming western countries and their media for pointing this issue instead of criticizing their own government and country and fight to protect their lands and water. The focus of Nickel shifted to Indonesia due to Russia-Ukraine war which is taken as an opportunity by the Chinese companies and expanding. Raw or processed, most of the product eventually goes to China and dealt by same Chinese companies before reaching western countries.
When developing countries try to build their industry, these "concerning" westerners suddenly start worrying about environmental issues while they've not been giving a fuck about such countries when people are struggling in poverty.
It is important to check whether even one Cent of all this mining business in Indonesia reaches the 26,16 million poverty-stricken Indonesian people? Or whether the billions in profits are all taken out of the country in suitcases.
It doesn't. It is not only an environmental issue, but a human rights issue as well, because people opposing concessions are not heart but overruled. Landgrabbing and criminalisation.
When the Western countries mined no western media complain? Look at the iron ore mines in Australia that had devastated the Australian ecosystem too. The problem is Indonesia is working with China and not western countries.
Why doesn't the government take action on this problem? it is very damaging to the environment. don't because the profit is big so it destroys the surrounding environment. I, as an Indonesian citizen, am very sad to see this
Why didn't you feel saddened by the fact that Indonesia freely exports these raw materials to foreigners, particularly Europeans and Americans? It's widely known that mining negatively impacts the environment. These foreign countries take advantage of our raw materials and reap significantly higher profits compared to us, the supplier country.
Pemerintah udah yake action tuh, dengan memproses nikel di dalam negeri, kalo nikelnya bisa dijual lebih mahal kan ga perlu eksploitasi besar2an cuma untuk ekspor bahan2 mentah ke barat
An where are just stop oil now see this is what stopping our dependence on oil is pushing towards not to mention the copper mining and the lithium ore mining all of which is impossible to carry out without oil.
My primary concern revolves around nickel mines that exhibit a significant commitment to the environment and local communities but face obstacles. Perhaps, the Indonesian government should adopt a more assertive approach in addressing mining activities that harm the seas and rivers of Indonesia. However, this action should be directed towards companies that have been operating for 50 years, contributing to the prosperity of their surrounding communities and improving the environmental landscape. Additionally, stringent measures should be taken against those involved in illegal logging in protected forests under the pretext of cultivating pepper and oil palm, including NGOs supporting deforestation with hidden agendas.
Get the numbers right, 2% of nicked production goes into ALL types of batteries, car batteries are a very small part of that use. But sure, let's give the fossil fuel industry a lovely big bit of propaganda.
All Stores Please Lower the price of all Military and Local for all of Brands of Nickel Products and Accessories and Production Cost Now That's too much $$ The Whole World Now 🙏🙏🙏
all energy-producing machinery must be fabricated from materials extracted from the earth. No energy system, in short, is actually “renewable,” since all machines require the continual mining and processing of millions of tons of primary materials and the disposal of hardware that inevitably wears out. Compared with hydrocarbons, green machines entail, on average, a 10-fold increase in the quantities of materials extracted and processed to produce the same amount of energy. For a snapshot of what all this points to regarding the total materials footprint of the green energy path, consider the supply chain for an electric car battery. A single battery providing a useful driving range weighs about 1,000 pounds. Providing the refined minerals needed to fabricate a single EV battery requires the mining, moving, and processing of more than 500,000 pounds of materials somewhere on the planet . That’s 20 times more than the 25,000 pounds of petroleum that an internal combustion engine uses over the life of a car. Among the material realities of green energy: Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society. A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones. Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans-never mind aspirations for far greater expansion-will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile. Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil. By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels-much of it nonrecyclable-will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.
Just one part of a larger picture that is shaping up to tell the story of how humanity has been and continues to strangle the oceans of life. Most people don't know just how much we've messed the ocean up. Ocean acidification.... warming.... pollution.... it will all come back to haunt us in the most dire way. It already is, and the worst is yet to come.
Hmm I wonder why there's no news about it when EU importing it for years and then suddenly when exports were banned these problems came to surface. Hmm, it's almost like West is being petty about it
This is why Indonesia has an competitive edge in producing nickel Zero regulation, typically the Indonesian government has no idea on ESG or good governance. The locals will ultimately pay the price
It's easy look up some photos or videos of what it looks like when there is some leakage of crude oil products. It's not about the technology per se, it's about the people responsible for it. Any technology can damage the environment if mishandled.
We are swapping one bad solution for another terrible problem. Governments and corporations are not held accountable. This planet will shake us off like fleas.
no suprsie there. it would require a government to take strong action to prevent a mining company from poisoning not just the soil but every wildlife and also the humans living there. if the government sides with the money and not their people, then this is the most likely outcome. expect more of the same until we are all screwed
The 2 biggest EV manufactures are BYD - 100% lithium iron phosphate batteries (LFP) - no nickel and Tesla whose best selling models by far are the standard range model 3 & Y that use lithium iron phosphate (LFP) - no nickel. Ford has also moved to LFP. According to the Nickel Institute 72% of first use Nickel is used to make stainless steel and 3% to make batteries.
Your nickel institute data isn't relevant nowadays, the nickel usage for battery has already reached 11% in 2021, and this percentage continues to rise inline with EVs popularity
@@ahmadnurokhim4168 You obviously don’t keep up to date with EV battery chemistry development. Your quoted data is from 2021 when LFP was not common in EVs now it’s the dominant chemistry. Try Googling “CATL launches fast charging LFP battery”
For decades you have been extracting our raw nickel but no one has mentioned environmental issues... when we stop our nickel to increase our income you scream about Environmental Issues.. 🤣🤣🤣 Likewise with our palm oil, it is very clear that palm oil is a source of green energy... because it can be planted and can be harvested at any time, you also use environmental issues... I laughed hearing that.. 🤣🤣🤣
"the government blames illegal nickel mining" - nickel mining and processing requires auch large operations that illegal nickel mining means a massive failure of government!
