Indurain and Lance Armstrong time trial Tour 1994 

Agree!

+Mihail Sirbu Absolutely.

Exactly. Christian Prudhomme had the brilliant idea to introduce more hill stages and every once in a while some cobble stones, but on the other hand the mountains are not hard enough every two years in average, there are still two many sprinters and flat stages causing a high number of crashes and he is absolutely against long time trial "because some of the favorites gain two much time on these stages". Well, if you set up some many flat stages and poor moutain stages obviously the time trial become two decisive ... And I didn't even mention the fact that the Giro and the Vuelta have some very attractive routes since the begining of the decade, making the Tour less attractive. Dumoulin, Pinot and Chaves are snobing the tour this year for the Giro, Quintana and Nibali gave their priority to the Giro last year, etc ..

I also miss these good old Epo days! (Irony!!!)

Exactly. Even the 8-10 km prologue was exciting for me.

Mihail Sirbu indeed, 63 kilometers, before the mountains, he took always at least 3min30 to the second, even 5 sometimes, climbers 6-7 minutes

Haha - yes, this looks like it was filmed with a potato.

@@kcd2120 do you think cameras were bad in 1994? its just the storage it was saved that ruined the quality

@@leart78 You’re probably right!

Triadlateralus 🤣

I need same doctor :)

@@TenTegens Dr. Ferrari? :P

To even the playing field since Indurain was doping too

Well, he already had a serious medical help at that time, that's why he got testicle cancer. Then I let you guess what sort of help he got in 1999 to be even faster, not medical anymore, but motorised.

Yes , Campagnolo Shamal titanuim 650 cc in front and Campagnolo Ghibli 700 in rear .

you think this is efficient? i am curious why they're not using this anymore.

@@friendlyflow efficient in the old era More aero , more lightweight for the little front wheel , and more inestability in front on the bike , the position in the bike its very forced compared with the new tt bikes .

@@friendlyflow Because the UCI banned it!! That's why they're no longer using it!!

No "old school tech" here: the small wheel in the front just forced Indurain which had a huge body to get a more aerodynamic position on the bike. That's all.

For real...

Anquetil takes that honour. 9 GP Nations when it was essentially the ITT world championship plus all those grand tour tt wins.

@@Penfold-zr2be I don't think Anquetil would have been able to beat Toni Rominger by 2 minutes, and Chris Boardman by more than 5 minutes, as Indurain did, remember Rominger and Boardman were Time trial specialists.

@@m.amonroy4465 You clearly don't know cycling history. Anquetil's era also had tt specialist like Baldini, Riviere, Aldo Moser Rolf Graf etc. As he never competed in the 90s you can't say how he would have fared against riders in that era.

@@Penfold-zr2be Yes, two different eras...as it was, Indurain would have smoked Anquetil without question. The physical differences were without question....

SOID! THE! BIG! (MIG)!!! THE! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (G,O,A,T)!!! SOID! IS! THE! (YELLOW)!!! JERSEY! (MAN)!!! SOID! *MIKE!!! SPENCE!!! THE! (G,O,A,T,B)!!!

drugs do that

@@patthewoodboy if drugs were the reason he was big, then every rider in the tour would be 250lbs of pure muscle

Yes pretty muscular and a resting heart rate of 28 bpm extremely rare.

@@Squashenpilhe was so cold and don’t feeling the pressure, when you watch him riding he was so calm and confident, and that’s one of the reasons of his success

Indeed, more durable.

@@acewilliams7917 The top riders received several new steel frames per year; the rest a new one every year or two. As with Formula 1 racing, you can have fast or you can have durable, but not both.

@@jotcarey Steel is obviously slower, but look at the performances the riders produced on them. Far faster than contemporary carbon frames. Unfettered EPO use will best technologies advancements 100 times out of 100 😂

SOID! CORRECT! THE! BIG! (MIG)!!! SOID! WITH! (REAL)!!! GOOD! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (KNOWLEDGE)!!! SOID! IS! THE! TOUR! DE! FRANCE! (G,O,A,T)!!! SOID! *MIKE!!! SPENCE!!! THE! (G,O,A,T,B)!!!

Yeah, the greatest doper. He was a super domestique....not a top tier rider for all of the late 1980s. Then EPO emerges (1990-1991), and Mig is suddenly the very best. Quite a conincidence. Did Mig suddenly learn how to train in 1991? LOL...no. He was the rider who responded the best to EPO. Had something to do with his massively proportioned lungs. He needed a way to get his circulatory system to carry the volume of O2 that his lungs could provide. Enter EPO....

@@shooter7a si tienes pruebas denuncia ante la UCI. FANTASMA!!!

​@@shooter7amaybe but you have zero proof of what you're saying so it's worthless

4 minutes??!!!! Thats simply astonishing!!

It's all the drugs.

@@mxplk you cant turn a mule into a race horse with hormones.

@@abone2pick It might be impossible to turn a mule into a race horse using drugs, but here we're talking about elite athletes. And just as one can turn an also-ran elite horse into a Triple Crown winner with the judicious administration of drugs, you CAN turn an elite domestique into a major tour winner with drugs. Floyd Landis might be one such example in pro cycling. Barry Bonds would be an example from baseball.

@@mxplk keep in mind in order to be a domestique for a pro cycling team you already have to be strong af. Even the weakest domestiques would demolish us. If u not naturally talented the team won't even offer you the drugs.

Actually he wasn't that aero. Look at the gap between between his chest and bars riders now are tighter and more aero but the best in his time

@@abone2pick Totally agree, back then there was a lot of talk of why didn't he try to adopt a more aero position, the answer was he didn't need to and he didn't like it. I guess when you can throw around 500w+ it doesn't matter so much. I remember him doing the hour record, later came out he didn't even want to do it, but Banesto kind of pushed him into it (alledgedly).

A monument in himself

Greatest at doping?

100%

Hehe nice 👌

Can you provide evidence to support your statement???

SEAL CYCLE Yes, really.

Indurain Also won 7 grand tours as well as medals in the world road race and world and Olympic time trial. He also broke the hour record and his was one of the last to complete a giro / tour double. Keep in mind he did all this at around 170 pounds ..Talk about a fairy tale🤣

totally agree with you. He is the best ever existed

Yeah I really enjoyed the Indurain years, very stylish rider. In saying that, let's not forget Jacques Anquetil who was a time trial freak also. Nine time winner of the Grand Prix des Nations, most of them 140 km time trials. 140 km. Let that sink in.

It was an era of weak climbers though. And EPO changed the whole sport at the time.

@@Broodkast8 weak climbers... You're clueless

​@@Broodkast8I do not think Indurain would even be top 10 now in the tour, because the Tour back then was much more time trial heavy and the last 15 years, there is not that much time trial. Search Wikipedia on the 92 Tour Route, there could not have been a tour ever better suited for a time trial rider like Indurain, the Pyrenees were skipped that year and only 2 days in the Alps

Armstrong also had a catastrophic position on the TT bike, aero drag like a truck - that was btw also the case in the later years when he destroyed everyone, he only made that up with his "turbo"...

I have to agree with you ☝️

I think Indurain doped like all the GC contenders, but I think he is among those who would have been better off if everyone was clean. He would have dominated more easily.

+jetbute. Very well said! in mind there is no doubt that Indurain did dope to win the Tour de France five times 1990-95 in a time where many top contenders admitted to the use of doping, especially EPO.

And all those riders would be on a 14 kg road bike, that would be an interesting race INDEED.

Is Riis a biological freak for having the highest Hematicrit value ever measured in Cycling. What a clown comment....

@@DarthBane-zf8wv Agreed 100%, my friend...sure, "Big Mig" left the sport quietly after winning his 5 TDF's & never sought the publicity & adulation that the sociopathic bully Pharmstrong did but he was so obviously a doper, which was especially evident when EPO really hit the peloton in '91 & he won 5 years straight from '91-'95!! Also, this guy's completely full of $hit re: the highest VO2 max "ever measured" - LeMond's VO2 max was recorded at 92.5, which is 4.5 ml/kg/min better than Indurain's 88.0.

Um, while I (& virtually anyone who followed cycling 30-odd years ago & knew/knows anything about the sport, both then & now, in hindsight) are completely aware of the fact that "Big Mig" almost definitely used EPO to win 5 years straight from '91-'95, I have nothing personal against the guy. However, re: your unfounded claims re: his supposedly superior "oxygen uptake" capacity, have you ever heard of a certain Greg LeMond, perchance? LeMond's VO2 max was tested at 92.5, which was a full 4.5 ml/kg/min superior to Indurain's 88.0 & when you say "ever measured", BOTH of them were beaten to the bragging rights of best ever VO2 max by a couple of Scandinavian biathletes/cross country skiers.

@@lavielemond according to his total oxygen uptake he was 10kg heavier so 88 is a massive oxygen uptake its measured per kilo..

With the "super teams" forming with like 3-4 GC contenders per team they really need at least 2 long ITTs, and probably the prologue, too to differentiate times, or it's just gonna be the teams picking a winner.

Omerta.

Cmon clean?? Is this even a serious comment

Well he did best Indurain for that rainbow jersey - who was visibly distraught in defeat to Lance.

He had nothing on hinault or fignon for skill and style especially in the mountains. If it wasn't for blood doping and epo indurain would be nowhere near them on the climbs.

So you would prefer to lug "Big Mig"'s rather cumbersome body up über-steep mountains, rather than that of LeMond, Hinault or Fignon, would you?! That was where the EPO came in, of course!!

@@thiscocks Do you think the rest of the peloton were on Kool-Aid only? Everyone Armstrong, Merckx, Greg Lemond, Froome they all used enhancing performance drugs to win the Tour de France

No, it's incredible that some people think he wasn't clear, you haven't run a tour so shut up

Dense much?

They made a competition of who could prepare himself the best.

Anyone who thinks Indurain was clean should educate themselves with books.

@@samuelharo5112 they don't accept somebody so strong and from spain it hurts

shooter7a I remember seeing him in an interview say: «f***. I’m getting dropped.» I think it was after this stage.

yes, american cyclists at the time were light-years behind the curve on doping regiments compared to the europeans.

ceccomyth Lance said he was going full gas. In Lance's first 4 tours he only finished 1, he wasn't a climber, he struggled when stages were over 200k. He wasn't a contender in any way for the overall until he came back from cancer and won with his first attempt.

Yeah his 1993 world championship on road racing meant nothing. You people talk out of your ass 99% of the time on RU-vid. It's worse than facebook

The World Championship is a one day race. Prior to his cancer, Lance was known for focusing on the one day classics, as mentioned above. It wasn't until his return to the sport that he focused on the TdF instead.

I think he was capable up to 550 watts. Guy was a monster

That’s sick if true.

this is what drugs do to you

Armstrong's was allegedly 500 watts for 30-40 minutes. He was also a much smaller guy compared to Indurain though, so his w/kg were equal or better.

@ Farlight - I agree, you're right. Lance was really lucky to win the '93 Worlds, because they let him get away, because he was just a 21-year-old nobody. That's why Indurain was so pissed and wanted to prove a point in the '94 Tour TT and catch him (2-minute man ahead) so quickly and humiliate the brash arrogant punk.

@@creativity.studio4967 lmaoo ain't no gifts in a one day race. Lance was barely 21 bro. If you had put them in their prime together indurain would get destroyed the same way Ulrich used to get his ass handed to him in the mountains.

@@abone2pick I am an Armstrong fan too, I think we are unlucky not to see these two in their prime fighting it out. No doubt Armstrong would have been incredible in the mountains, but with Time Trial performances like the 1992 Luxembourg TT (41 miles at an average speed of 31mph, insane) where Indurain put 3 mins into 2nd place, I doubt Armstrong would have won any TTs.... but, different story in the mountains. From a pure bike racing perspective, and nothing more, I miss watching either of them in their prime.

barely 21?? Omg are you fucking kidding??! He was almost 22

Miguel DopeDurain, one of the best dopers of all time. LOL

BeastAnd71 all cyclist are doped, so Induráin is the best

Bob Gardner demuestralo o calla la boca

The best cronoman Is Fabian Cancellara

you post a video of Indurain ,you get comments on Indurain.Welcome to youtube.

Have you had a look at Miguel Indurain's physical data? May help to explain why he could put out 1000 watts for as long as he could. Hence why he could ride like he did.

Resting hr 40 ,bpm

AXA AXA :)

Indurain was around 170 pounds. I ride nowhere near as much and weigh less then that

@@dansprague2 The Windsor Essex area sometimes hits 45 celcius in the humid summer days!!, there is no mountains or wooded areas to take up the moisture here. As far as winds I am 1km away from lake St Clair winds are pushing 100 km hr in the bad days of weather, we get lots of damage to the roofs here, had already replace one roof hope it never happens again. 25 km hr winds is normal here even on summer days, good days is around 10 to 15 km hr. I was born and lived in Portugal, Southern Europe and up at 2000 meters there is barely any wind, we cycled there all the time from the villages going to the top of the mountains. The only thing you get tired from is the grade of the road and altitude no cyclist there ever complained about the 10 km hr winds. In march you go up to the mountains there in shorts and a tshirt with 21 celcius with snow still on the ground. Seriously there is less wind there at 2000 meters than here in this crazy wind area at 100 meters. No one on this planet would go up those mountains with a 40 km hr head wind, Southern Europe during the summer months has barely any wind, just humidity. The mountains of Southern Europe protect the areas down in the valleys so you get ZERO humidity and barely any wind. I am more tired cycling in the flats here than going up to 1200 meter line in Europe due to the humidity and the friken winds coming out of everywhere here. All cyclists in this area use a wind map here in order to keep the cross winds down, I crashed once already due to these stupid ass winds here, bike was not too damaged, but will not fall for that crap again, using wind map apps to go around these moronic cross winds. This is the reason why you do not see too many people here on Time trial bikes it's just too dangerous with the cross winds. I don't even have super lightweight bikes and at 175 lbs 8.2 kg bike we are barely hanging on here!!

Physiologists have said that on the back of an envelope you can prove that the power means a VO2 max they've never seen in the lab. Giant rowers can do 6.4L, but they weigh 100kg plus, and do 64ml per kg. I'm not saying it's impossible to be like that, get down to 80kg, and keep the 6.4. But some of this seems to mean VO2 at 8L plus.

No the best (with doping) Is lance Armstrong

Optimized doping.

true!

+Kalashnikov Cortez I agree totally..I think it was at that point Lance thought ''Fuck it....doping here I come'' then he got cancer. sadly it didn't give him a sense of mortality, it actually made him think he was a Superman, special..oh what a fool he was/still is!

+Kalashnikov Cortez No, im spaniard and Indurain was doped like his rivals, no more. He just was better with the same drugs.

+Basques AreJesusPeople your a fucking. Idiot man! We would still never know lance did if it wasn't for everyone grassing him. He still hasn't tested positive.

Yes he has Dumbo. In his first TDF win in 99' he tested positive for a corticosteroids violation. Both A and B samples came back positive. The UCI then laughably permitted Fraudstrong and Team USPS to apply for and receive a retroactive exemption for the substance. The only time in the modern era their tests have a caught rider cheating in which they then permitted the rider to evade the test results by giving him a retroactive exemption. Fraudstrong = Dopestrong. :-)