Just imagine if Jeep had the 2.7 Gas turbo or 3 litre diesel General Motors engine . And a head office that valued dependability over profit. We would have the King of off road trucks .
your the first person i've seen take this on something more than a dirt road with small bumps. So nice to see it could actually handle it and probably just needs a lift.
Landrover fitted the ZF8HP to the D4 in 2012 so landy owners are well aware of how good they are off-road, good to see you pushing the vehicle in real world conditions.
Exactly… amazing how they perform. And now, after 12 years toyota boys discovering that there is something cool in ineos that actually works for years not only in LR
@@espkh1549 i was responding to the dude who says to get a new car every 5 years lol. idk anyone putting mods on their rig and just replacing it every 5 years unless they like burning $ or are an influencer lol
This is the most relevant test of the Grenadier I've seen yet (even though Australia of course fits perfectly for it =). And since it's a series, a lot of it lies still ahead. Great and thanks.
Awesome review. Thanks for the extensive test Ronny. Im so impressed that as soon as my lease is up on my current car I'm buying the ute version of this. Wow
Terrific review with real off-roading assessment - not just the gravel road seen in so many other reviews. I have had a Land Rover Defender for 27 years and it is mighty capable when driven correctly and intelligently. It has excellent clearance, the best approach angles, fantastic balance with the weight being low, and because the body is aluminum and light, gets good fuel economy. It has fantastic low range and pulling power, and with locked diffs has gone almost anywhere I directed it over the 27 years. Occasionally an alternate route was sought since its a Land Rover and not a tracked tank. But what to move on to when sadly the time comes to replace her? Virtually any car can drive along a gravel road, so it was exciting to watch this review by a fellow Aussie truly go OFF-ROAD in Australia. I have wondered for over 12 months about functional clearance and 4WD capability, and this footage and commentary has been very helpful. Thanks mate. Rob - Perth.
You’re spot on with the diff locks. They engage and disengage instantly, but… the stupid computer needs to detect different rotation speeds across the axle to realise they are unlocked. I noticed this on mine straight away, its fine if you have space but if you’re in a heavily rutted track you can’t always climb out of the ruts or turn a corner that isn’t there! That said i still love the car, it really is very good. Looking forward to the report with the lift and the 34’s. If you like it I’ll lift mine too.
Can you tell me, is Ineos useable on road for a long distance travel? I have a full spec LC150, want to change to new one LC250 or Grenadier. I will use it most on road, just for long distance traveling.
@@DMEU77 The longest day I have done in mine was 930K from Amsterdam to Lyon. That was a long day! The footrest is annoying but it didn’t cause any real pain or discomfort. I wish it wasn’t there, but it’s not as big an issue (for me) as some have made out. The seats are very comfortable and the driving position is nice. As good as any other car that I have driven. I find that the heated seats are good for easing the ‘numb bum’ that you can get on a long drive, even in the summer I stick it on for 20 mins and then off again it does help. I have fitted an airbag lumbar roll to mine as I do suffer with back issues on occasion. I will drive for an hour in one position and then pump it up a bit to give my back a change of position and then deflate it later to do the same. There are only really two positions that your left foot can go in the grenadier, on the foot rest or with your left heel tucked behind your right foot. Again on a long drive I alternate between the two. The comfort in the grenadier is way better for me than any of the utes that I have driven, and many cars that I have owned. But its all subjective, its like asking “what’s the comfiest pair of jeans? “ What suits me might not suit you. See if you can get an extended test drive….
Ive had mine since October 23. Did the sand dunes you were on and forgot to put on off road or the centre diff. However, it handled it beautifully. Then i did the trip again at the grenadier day but remembered the offroad. Just great, so easy at Lancelin.
@Trebior1 Limiting wheel speed doesn't limit torque, you can flat foot first gear in low range, that would be the most torque the transfer case and driveline could possibly see. Higher wheel speeds could cause shock loads from track obstacles which could be an issue, but 40ks is plenty of wheel speed to do damage if a wheel stops suddenly anyway. My assumption would be gearbox output shaft speed and transfer case input shaft speed, if they're too high they could cause a failure. From my experience with older Jeeps I'd imagine you could happily do 60-80ks in low range without putting the transfer case in danger.
@@TheAusGamer1000 yeah. I get that but the transfers in the Cherokees are known for slipping and if you send it in high gear over a mound on the beach shit can go wrong
Automotive journalists don’t really provide much that you can’t garner from a press release. Especially when the manufacturer is shoving shrimp cocktails and beers down in front of them at the end of each and every day of their initial press “reviews.” I think there’s a ton of value in someone buying their own rig for reviews and hopefully consumers will catch on at some point
Good work🤌 appreciate you being unbiased and also looking at all the details. A review like this is worth so much more than people driving a car for a few hours on a track prepared by the manufacturer 🤝
I think the grenadiers offroad capability is totally real world oriented. Good for about everything you come across while traveling or driving backcountry for whatever reason you might have.
My RAM has ZF tranny 8 speed and they are all usable in low range and it's great. Can cruise along pretty good speed. And it's so nice knowing it's a crazy high quality transmission.
You confirmed my analysis of the rig. Great in many ways, but the clearance is a serious issue for extreme off roading. I’ve had three rigs with the ZF 8 speed, it’s a game changer.
Saw the prototype at the Nambour 4WD/caravan expo 2 years ago. Donny's video is the first actual off road usage I've seen! Looking forward to any futher ones you do.
Being 6'5, I often have my left leg bent and tucked under my right leg when driving, no matter the vehicle. Your next installment will be interesting. It's nice to see a real and honest review 👍
The ZF 8sp is fantastic. In a previous vehicle with ZF, each gear 1-8 represented the km/h speed on hill climb & decent in low range, variable via paddles. Compared to the 6sp the Toyota LC, its like stepping back to the 80's. No wonder these are starting to appear in 70 series conversions.
Great review. I asked the question low range gears pre purchase and was surprised when they said all 8 were available. It amazed me then and also that no one else thought this was awesome. 100% agree on relocking the diffs it's a pia, and yes, they can be fickle. Offroad mode (ORM) also disables the seatbelt chimes (and should allow you to move with the door open) ORM turns off at 80kph automatically
Great Video. As already mentioned here i‘m another Jeep owner who loves the ZF8 for sure. My GC has airlift which makes it even more capable. The ZF8 4Low Paddel Shift as well as HDC does great job towning trailers on rough terrain too. We had lot of great family times out there with our Granny. (@ProdigalOverland shows it in early channel days very well)
Ronny, Land Rover started using the ZF8 transmission in the Discovery in 2013 and you could always use all 8 gears in low range in it. Even in the 2005 Discovery with the ZF6 transmission you can use all 6 gears in low range.
Great videos mate. Having owned a 70 series and now a Grenadier I’m stoked you’re playing with it. Hopefully it will put a rocket up the Aussie aftermarket. Need a bash plate for the transmission and/or sump change. And a protective method for the inline diesel filter. I’ve already snagged and ripped mine off on a branch/stick on the trail. Also install the Brown Davis fuel tank, because I’m just super curiou. Nice work Ronny.
Thanks for putting it through these different off road trials. It appeares to have flown through with flying colors. While like any off road vehicle has it's short comings. Being able to go through 8 gears in low range is crazy. 😮 Wouldn't do it consistently I imagine.
A good honest unbiased review 👍👏to you .I like the grenadier , I get what it is about but just to expensive for me , I just purchased another jeep a gladiator this time and loving it . On another note when taking to Landy guys and the like it doesn't turn into a pissing comp . Again I really liked your review ,thank you 👍🇭🇲
Not bad for a vehicle which was only an idea a few years ago. Looking forward to a few model iterations and aftermarket gear. Will be interested when my fourby dies. Great review too and love the country. Makes me want to load up with camping gear and get out there again. Cheers from Sydney and thanks for the work you put into this review - Dave
@@rodgood looks about the same as most EcoDiesel failures. The manufacture recommends oil changes at 10k miles, need to be done at 5k. It’s a 100k motor, with warranty. Powerful and fun for a small package, it’s no 4bt. Will trade mine in at 80k.
I’m 6’4” and a bit (about 1.95m) and have had a grenadier here in Scotland for 6 months. I’ve done 400 miles (8 hour drive) in one hit with no discomfort and the foot bump doesn’t bother me at all. I’ve got the seat position quite high which I think helps, give it a go 👍
One issue having seen a lot of vids are the front side radiators. I would look to get the front corner bumpers beefed up to protect them. I've seen two videos where the corner was damaged taking out the radiator + pipework. Both cars needed towing to a workshop to get repaired
The tires seem sized more for overlanding rather than off-roading for such a large heavy vehicle. Wonder what the max size would be before you have to lift
I like the concept they have behind the car and why they are making it, love the modernised old style looks, future models I think will improve on the tech and how it performs and engages, looks like good off road ability, and will not take long for aftermarket goodies come along.
If you reckon it's good Ronny, that's good enough for most users. Parts service and reliability are going to be questioned for at least 300,000km. Time will tell
Great review. I look forward to looking back in 10 years to see about reliability. Seems to be missing AHC/Adjustable suspension. Other than that - looks like this truck might have potential!
Thanks Ronny & team, good review. I own an IG with the same spec as yours, other than mine has 17" wheels and the petrol 3L Turbo. My vehicle is 1 month old and I am learning with you & the team. I live in Dubai and I have not used low-range gearing on the dunes yet, so far, I stayed in high-range without the center diff-lock. However, you need to press that ESC button again - vehicle has two ESC modes (ESC Off Road and ESC Off). The former is good for harder terrain, to use brake-traction-control (BTC) to keep the vehicle moving, however, in sand there is to many things going on and it slows you down, this is where you need the latter (ESC Off). I think you eluded to this in a previous video.
@@DMEU77 Oooo... The LC250 has not arrived yet (for us)... I would think that it's not really comparable vehicles in my mind, the target or goal for each vehicle is different. I don't think you can go wrong with either, but they are different. The Ineos is good on road, for what it is. It is big, it is heavy, but it is comfortable. The Recaro seats are amazing, really, it is. this helps with the comfort. This vehicle is build for touring, over landing, as comfortable a possible.
@@fvandeventer Most of test had an issue with steering. Is it that bad? I would like to buy IG more then LC. But I would use my mostly on lomg distance road trips with my family. Every tip / advice you can give me is a help for me. THnx.
@@DMEU77 Its a matter of opinion & perspective. The IG is different from most other vehicle in so much that the steerting wheel does not center as quickly. In cases it does not go back to dead-center at all. Now, it took me about 2 weeks to get use to this. Now, I love the vehicle. Comparing this to my other two vehicles, both these vehicles, to me is twitchy, it moves around the road lanes for almost no steering input, to me these vehicles now are overly sensitive. Compare this to a LC Troopy, LC76, etc, the IG is worlds, decades ahead.
@@fvandeventer I knew about steering, but also know that "Old Man Emu" has smthg for it. I have to choose between LC250 and IG. LC got very soft, more SUV then ever. I am just affraid that it will not suit my familiy for long distance travel on road. I dont drive fast, like to cruise. I need a ship not a speed boat.
After 10 months of ownership you got the review bang on Ronny. Switch selection could be improved. Are you going to look at adjusting the steering bump stops? Or at least a video pointing out if there is some adjustment? You could alter the castor angle? I'm loving mine, it's great for towing.
Great points on the diff-lockers, would be annoying if you only went off-roading all the time. As a overlanding/tourer it would be fine. Turning circle is a bit disappointing, actually a big thing if you are on narrow tracks or gravel/mountain roads here in Norway. 🏔 Great video again! 👍
Good to see a actual proper off road testing ! Watching with great interest not that I can afford it 😂 pretty lucky there Ronny to be lend it and actually test it like it should be !
Excellent review (and I’m not even in the market for one!) You came up with a great idea on the off road mode as the selector (bet the manufacturer didn’t think of that) keep up the good work Ronny
As the devellopment was done by Magna (you know, the guys who develloped and devellop the G-Wagons and many other 4wd vehicles or 4wd systems for most manufacturers) i would be surprised if they hadn't thought of it too, (they got plenty of experience) but probably some regulation somewhere has prohibited that, and so all vehicles have that for ease of manufacturing.
I’m loving the surprise and chagrin from a welded on Tojo driver! The ride on four coils, the off-road capability, the axle articulation has, for decades, been better than Tojo leaf springs, in the real (pre-2016) Land Rover Defender. And all with a 4 pot 2.5 - 2.2. The INEOS has taken over the real Defender mantle. ...It looks pretty clear to me that the INEOS Grenadier is the new King of 4x4 wagons. Even the new Tojo with a 4 pot diesel (in the other videos) goes like my 10 year old Defender with 150hp remap; except my Defender has constant 4x4, a centre difflock, and four coils, all just like the INEOS Grenadier. …playing Defender catch up. ...Finally Ronnie! ha ha! 😇 The next step …when is the EV version of the INEOS Grenadier coming out? (you can play a recording of a V8 on your stereo if you like, while you burn zero diesel and it costs 75% less to run on electric, compared to the diesel used previously). And no need for a complex lithium battery set up to run all your gear, the whole car will be a battery. …the charging network is already playing catch up with the EV boom. With solar potential in the desert, EV 4x4’s should already be a no brainer in Australia.
On the ride character, I have driven series Rovers short and long Toyotas, diesel and gas , jeeps unimogs, Nissan, Isuzu and several others. I did really enjoy the ride in the 110 as the longer wheelbase made it better than the 90. RR Classics were plush , but my favorite is the 91-92 Fj80. Out of the box just an amazing ride, admittedly massively underpowered 3fe.
Thank you Ronny, nice video. At last a good review about Grenadier behavior on real all terrain typical conditions, not only a green laning. Good job buddy! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
I would like to see this vehicle with a 3 -4.5 inch lift and 37 inch tires, with appropriate gearing for that. A front camera like the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon has would aid rock crawling and decents. It need the low gear cruise control that the Gladiator Rubicon has. But I see it was designed for the dunes and the sand like our Gladiator Mojave was. I like how you put this vehicle through its paces, and you actually know why you are doing it, and see the weaknesses and the benefits of this vehicle.
your impressions and test have confired what i hoped and thugh t would be like.I am very surprised that no one else hs commented the lw low is LOW. I had hoped that would be true. I also hoped that it would use all the gears in low range. I thought that its oround clearance would slightly less than ideal. Good work Ronny.I test drove one it was verry comfortable even allowing for the footrest humpThat hump sure feels wired at first. On my test it completely ironed out the corrugations but they wrent bad. It was light years better n coruugations than my Fortuner
I had a 2006 Jeep Liberty which was far more difficult to put in 4low. I had to slow to 2 to 4mph and shift into neutral while still rolling and while still rolling at 2 to 4 mph in neutral shift into 4 low then shift into gear
That thing is truly an expedition vehicle. The inside is such a huge box, it's really made for hauling a ton of gear to the interior of Africa and keeping lions and leopards out. Be cool to see a video of it being used for real work, like delivering supplies to a remote Australian research or adventure outpost. We drove my Xterra into the bowels of the Ozarks to an adventure camp hauling gear for 3 for a week and that's where you can really see a badass vehicle in action - loading one up with people and gear to do awesome stuff in rugged terrain. The road down to the camp was bad enough that one day the camp staff couldn't make it there from town and had to radio in instructions. Grenadier could do what the Xterra did and probably fit twice as much stuff!
Really enjoyed watching you take the grenadier through various terrain and pointing out its good and bad. Next time you put the thing on a lift, maybe you could show how the undersides look a bit and give your pros and cons about that as well. Thanks for the content. very enjoyable. The comments about the transmission in low range were very interesting as well. I had no clue.
I would be impressed if it just met expectations. I actually dig the Grenadier... Whether i ever get one is pretty slim. But i do wish them luck. So this is a great video... Little short, need more rough stuff footage to watch it do its thing. And after watching this, i would say it did really quite well right out of the factory. Thats not bad, not bad at all. With just a couple parts, it would be pretty much good to go for 95% of people. Couple/few inches of lift and some Mud Terrains... Good to go.
I haven’t seen anything about how hard it is to put aftermarket mods on it (bigger suspension, larger wheels, a real snorkel, etc…). Does it look like it’ll allow for mods like these easily?
My 2021 Tacoma TRD offroad does the exact same with rear locker and recirculation HVAC. It is VERY annoying and you will not notice it until you breath in a good diesel smoke inside the cabin. To unlock or lock the rear locker, you have to turn left and right and wait for your luck! getting in and out of 4Lo is a real pain with the electrical turn knob.
Mine needs bigger tyres and a lift, for the places I know I will take it. I just don’t want to take a gamble with my new IG. So now Ronny is going to do all the research and hand it to me on RU-vid. Oh yeah, this is what dreams are made of.
