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Infinite dimensional spaces in quantum mechanics 

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In this video we will explore the issue of infinite dimensional spaces in quantum mechanics. There are some technical and conceptual issue that make the topic... a bit of a mess! We will see how completeness under Cauchy sequences define superposition over infinite states, while also including states within infinite expectation values. We will see that Hilbert spaces for discrete and continuous variables are mathematically the same space. We will briefly see Schwartz spaces and "rigged" Hilbert spaces.
Intro (0:00)
Infinite dimensions (1:13)
Hilbert spaces (2:22)
Cauchy sequences (3:28)
Infinite/undefined expectation (7:29)
Continuous observables (11:20)
Delta-Dirac not in Hilbert (14:46)
Wavefunctions have countable bases (17:30)
Rigged Hilbert spaces (22:39)
Conclusion (27:18)

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1 дек 2023

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@StefSubZero270
@StefSubZero270 10 месяцев назад
Video molto interessante, non avevo mai approfondito la questione nei miei studi ma questi dubbi effettivamente erano sempre un po' presenti, alcuni concetti come la "pseudo-ortogonalità" dove si usano vettori di stato che non sono in realtà appartenenti ad L^2 ma per i quali si usa, in sistemi continui, ugualmente il prodotto interno di questo spazio sono sempre stati grandi punti interrogativi. Vederli ritornare fa riaffiorare molta curiosità!
@Achrononmaster
@Achrononmaster 2 месяца назад
In any case, as Jacob Barandes often talks about, we do not live in a Hilbert space, the Hilbert space formalism for QM is gauge redundant so cannot be physical. In other words, it's just a model. One of many for QM. The algebraic GNS framework is a nice alternative, but still only a model, so best not take it too literally, hence be cautious about demanding that is is "physical". Models do not have to be physical, we want them to be mostly physical in correspondences --- but we do have to know, or try to know, when they aren't.
@arcaynlastname4072
@arcaynlastname4072 7 месяцев назад
great video ! came here as a mathematician trying to figure out the point of braket notation when the only place ive seen it is in quantum computing papers that almost exclusively use finite-dimensional spaces only to come away with a much better understanding of physical principles ! pleasantly surprised by the amount of analysis involved in physics :)
@gcarcassi
@gcarcassi 7 месяцев назад
Very good! In the same way we need physicists to be more cognizant of the mathematical details, we need mathematicians more aware of the physical principles! 😁
@Achrononmaster
@Achrononmaster 2 месяца назад
@16:00 you can make the sequence of gaussians Cauchy by taking the variances to zero so that their ratio approaches 1.
@GeoffryGifari
@GeoffryGifari 10 месяцев назад
Whelp in this case you're right... this did make me more confused. The things I did notice: 1. Can't the normalization condition set the criteria for which infinite sums are allowed? 2. A bit of confusion on the cauchy sequence and distance function: if our sequence is a sequence of orthogonal basis vectors ψ1,ψ2,ψ3,..., then the only distance we'll get is either 1 or 0. How can this be reconciled with the distance after index n getting smaller and smaller? 3. On 7:31 to 9:15 wouldn't it make perfect sense for the expectation value of particle number to be infinite since for the number state |i>, i itself is taken to the limit of infinity? 4. Physically, can't the previous problem be remedied by saying that the theory is valid only to a finite extent? like if expectation value of momentum is infinite then there is a momentum eigenstate (plane wave) with infinitesimally short wavelength... but this can only work if space can be divided to infinitely small parts. I think the same thing apply to harmonic oscillator eigenstates (Hermite polynomials) if we take the angular frequency (thus the quantum number) to infinity. 5. Near the end the term "quantum state tomography" is mentioned. If we can construct the wavefunction from the set of measured operator eigenvalues (experiment repeated many times) would that imply the wavefunction actually being physical? 6. If the Dirac delta is not included in Schwartz (and Hilbert) space, what is the worst implication for physics? I imagine Green's function method to construct wavefunctions could be problematic since it needs a sharp impulse. 7. I got a feeling somehow this will connect to renormalization, and the "field-ness" of QFT Pretty sure I got some assumptions wrong, but not sure which ones.
@gcarcassi
@gcarcassi 10 месяцев назад
As for the connection between these issues and issues in QFT (e.g. renormalization, non existence of measure for path integrals, ...): I have no idea. 2. A sequence of orthogonal states is not a Cauchy sequence (i.e. it does not converge to anything) 3. There is not eigenstate for infinitely many particles. The sequence |i> is a sequence of orthogonal states... and is not a Cauchy sequence (see above). 4. Again, the issue is being clear whether the limit exists and what it is. Some limits do exist physically: the sum of infinitely many small independent contributions is a gaussian, which actually can be produced. It exists physically. The delta-Dirac is the limit of a guassian with zero standard deviation. This is a limit, which exists mathematically (non in the Hilbert space) and is useful physically. But it doesn't exist physically. Then you can take limits that exist mathematically, that do not make sense physically (i.e. a pure state with infinite energy) and then there are limits that don't even exist mathematically (i.e. the eigenstate of infinitely many particles above). The issue is that you have to understand which is which. 5. It depends what you mean by physical. Up to a phase, the wave function (if it is a Schwartz function) represents one-to-one states that, under certain asusmptions, you can prepare and measure. In this sense, yes, it is physical. Whether it "ontologically exists", that's a different question. 6. The implication is point 4: you need to be careful to understand them as physical objects. Mathematically, you have to understand that they are not an orthogonal (Hilbert) basis.
@fabienleguen
@fabienleguen 7 месяцев назад
Thanks ! Do you know if someone already built a mathematically rigorous quantum theory on tempered distributions space ? To be honest I do not care as you seem to care about having a theory where every mathematical object is mapped on a physical object. It is like phase velocity VS group velocity. Phase velocity does exist mathematically in the theories but does not really map onto something physical. I appreciated your video (and subscribed).
@gcarcassi
@gcarcassi 7 месяцев назад
I am not a mathematician, so I have a very narrow view of that literature. The only person I know that works directly on tempered distributions and Schwartz spaces without the Hilbert space is David Carfì. I only had a cursory look at his work, but in a 30 minute discussion he clarified more things about this subject than all the other mathematicians combined.
@areyoushitting5
@areyoushitting5 10 месяцев назад
Great !👍👍👍