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Have you ever seen an indeterminate form INSIDE of an indeterminate form for a calculus limit question? I came up with this very indeterminate calculus limit for my calculus 1 students! Here we will see how to use the square root conjugate, taking the logarithm, and the L'Hôpital's Rule to evaluate this very indeterminate limit challenge! #calculus #limit #blackpenredpen
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@gnikola2013
@gnikola2013 6 лет назад
This is the vilest limit I've ever seen and if I ever become a calculus teacher I'll definitely put it in one of the exams
@jewlez8915
@jewlez8915 6 лет назад
Kiritsu u evil beast
@UltraLuigi2401
@UltraLuigi2401 6 лет назад
Just make it the exam. Or the extra credit that gives you a huge boost.
@giannispolychronopoulos2680
@giannispolychronopoulos2680 6 лет назад
While I have to admit it was quite tiring and time consuming, methodology wise, it was pretty simple. Not even comparable to some monster like lim( n!/n^n)^(1/n) with n approaching infinity. That’s by far the most difficult one I have ever seen
@karinano1stan
@karinano1stan 5 лет назад
@@giannispolychronopoulos2680 yea that one is definition of hard question-simple answer.
@redaabakhti768
@redaabakhti768 5 лет назад
not good not good we need more proofs related questions
@mbossaful
@mbossaful 6 лет назад
To be honest, if I got that in an exam, about half-way through working it out I'd assume that I'd done something wrong and just give up and move on to the next question.
@tcocaine
@tcocaine 6 лет назад
I mean the exam would have to be just that question because you're using every rule in it anyway haha
@landochabod7
@landochabod7 6 лет назад
Ben McKenzie This solution is unnecessary complicated, with all the fraction multiplying. Just collect x, do a MacLaurin expansion of the square roots, stopping at the first term after the 1 in order not to get 1^inf. It's going to be: lim (1 + a/x)^x = e^a, with a = -1/2, which you should know, or if you don't, you can easily find with De l'Hopital.
@KnakuanaRka
@KnakuanaRka 5 лет назад
landochabod7 I have no idea what you’re talking about, and this is from somebody who understands everything bprp’s talking about!
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 лет назад
I thought the same.
@dekippiesip
@dekippiesip 4 года назад
@@tcocaine it would be best to give this as a homework exercise.
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria 2 года назад
The teachers I have had in the past would hate that answer. They'd want to get the square roots out of the denominator, and have (square root e)/e instead.
@ianmi4i727
@ianmi4i727 2 года назад
Perhaps. In Calculus, it's customary to leave the result unrationalized.
@mmmtastyalidzie2435
@mmmtastyalidzie2435 2 года назад
after doing a question like that i wouldnt give a damn about rationalising the fraction lol
@Nonexistility
@Nonexistility 2 года назад
You mean e^1/2 ?
@sirjain4408
@sirjain4408 2 года назад
@@Nonexistility They just rationalized it
@JayTemple
@JayTemple 2 года назад
That's the difference between an algebra teacher and a calculus teacher.
@JohnDixon
@JohnDixon 6 лет назад
If you look up the word "tedious" in the dictionary, you will almost certainly find a picture of this limit problem.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
John Dixon If you search calc2 final exam, then... :)
@skilz8098
@skilz8098 4 года назад
This is an easy one. Next up, find the limit of the needed angles to perform 3 consecutive orthographic rotations in Polar Coordinates using Quaternions while mapping it to a 3D Complex Cartesian plane where those rotations do not change its original orientation!
@skilz8098
@skilz8098 4 года назад
@@kausarmeutuwah8304 Haha! I was being a bit sarcastic! That type of problem with all of the multivariable unknowns and many partial derivatives and multiple integrations would be insane! It would probably take 3-5 whiteboards and about 30 pens and about 15 hours to do it by hand! Let's just open up Wolfram or Mathlab... let it do it for us! Get the response, can not compute!
@luismariabiaggioni8514
@luismariabiaggioni8514 3 года назад
Heavyyyyyy!!!!
@luismariabiaggioni8514
@luismariabiaggioni8514 3 года назад
Heavyyyyyy!!!!
@wristdisabledwriter2893
@wristdisabledwriter2893 6 лет назад
Bursts out laughing when you said pray your calculus 2 teacher doesn’t see this. Thank goodness I already finished calc 2
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
nadia salem (I am actually a calc2 teacher loll)
@wristdisabledwriter2893
@wristdisabledwriter2893 6 лет назад
blackpenredpen I just hope you don’t give this one on the finale unless it’s the only question
@zombiedude347
@zombiedude347 4 года назад
It's been 6 years since I took calc 2, although my teachers covered this type of limit in calc 1.
@PopKa16
@PopKa16 6 лет назад
imagine you want to show this in a perfect formal way. I think the video would go over 1 hour. But a real good problem in which you can check if you really confident in limits.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
namensindüberbewertet yea I know. That's why I just circled circled loll
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
@JakubS
@JakubS 3 года назад
@@pullingrabbitsouttaahat I would see it but you spelled l'Hôpital wrong
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 3 года назад
@@JakubS Thanks For Pointing Out. But I Don't Care Much Useless Things.
@adamkangoroo8475
@adamkangoroo8475 6 лет назад
Square root of e... That's when you know you broke mathematics.
@seroujghazarian6343
@seroujghazarian6343 4 года назад
Or when you find out that a subset has more elements than the original set
@skilz8098
@skilz8098 4 года назад
@@seroujghazarian6343 That's not hard to do. How many integers are there in the set of values in this inclusive range of [0,1]? Simply 2. Now, how many reals are there in that same inclusive range? Infinite!
@seroujghazarian6343
@seroujghazarian6343 4 года назад
@@skilz8098 Yeah, but considering ]0,1[ has as many elements as R (cot(πx) being the bijection between them)...
@skilz8098
@skilz8098 4 года назад
@@seroujghazarian6343 Nice! I like my conjecture... Every single concept of mathematics, all branches, and levels are all embedded in the simple expression (1+1) ... Everything is derived or integrated from it. Just the act of adding 1 to itself, the application of applying the operation of addition which is a linear transformation, translation to be exact defines the unit circle. There is perfect symmetry, reflection, and a 180 degree or PI radians rotation embedded within it. It isn't directly obvious at first, but take a piece of paper and mark a point on it and draw a line segment of an arbitrary distance towards your right. Now label the starting point 0 and the ending point 1. To add 1 to this line segment or unit vector is to take the total length or its magnitude and translate it along the same line in the same direction. The tail of the new vector will be at the head of the original and the head of the new vector will be pointing at 2. By doing this the total distance is from the initial point of 0 to the new location will be 2. This turns the expression of (1+1) into the equation (1+1) = 2. This equation is actually the definition of both the Pythagorean Theorem and the Equation of the Unit Circle that is positioned at the origin (0,0). You see, we went to the right from the starting point and labeled that 1. We could of went to the left and labeled it 1 as well. However, they are opposing directions, and vectors have two parts, magnitude its length, and its sign or direction or angle of rotation. So, we can label the point to the left with -1. Here the starting point of 0 is the point of reflection, point of symmetry and the point of rotation. If we rotate the point 1 to the point -1 with respect to the initial point 0, you will make an arc that is PI radians which also takes you from 1D space into 2D space. Now we have the Y coordinates as well. This is simply due to 1+1 = 2 which is also 1x2 = 2. And this is evident because we know that a circle with a radius of one has a diameter of 2, its Circumference is 2*PI and its Area is PI units^2. We know that the Pythagorean Theorem is C^2 = A^2 + B^2. We also know that the equation of a circle centered at the origin is r^2 = x^2 + y^2... They are the same exact equation. When we look at the general equation of a line in the form of y = mx+b we know that m is the slope between two points and b is the y-intercept. The slope is m = (y2 - y1)/(x2-x1). We can let m = 1, and b = 0 and this gives us y = x. A diagonal line that goes through the origin. This line has an angle of 45 degrees or PI/4 radians above the X-axis. We know by definition that the slope is rise/run. We also see that it is (y2-y1)/(x2-x1) which is also dy/dx, change in y over change in x. If we look closer we can see that dy/dx is also sin(t)/cos(t) where (t) is the angle above the x-axis. This is also tan(t). When you look at the original equation of the line y = mx+b we can see this as f(x) = tan(t)x + b. This all comes from 1+1 = 2! Every polynomial, every geometrical shape, including vectors and matrices, their operations, even concepts in calculus such as derivatives and integrals are rooted in (1+1)! I just love how everything within mathematics is all connected and related! I'm sure you know all of these concepts but was just wanting to illustrate all of their interconnections. Yes, I take a Physical approach to mathematical induction! Why? Because without physics, or the ability to move, or translate, then the operation of addition would have no application or meaning! You can not even add 1 to itself in a scalar manner without treating them first as vector quantities. The number 1 itself is the unit vector, and the unit vector is the number 1 itself. You need physics, motion to perform the operation of addition! And as soon as you have motion, you have, limits, derivatives, and integrals!
@raghavagarwal3468
@raghavagarwal3468 4 года назад
skilz8098 very well written!
@bombardier6033
@bombardier6033 4 года назад
As soon as I saw it, I knew it would lead to 1^infinity What I was not ready for was the bit after. I love your videos and they've genuinely helped me.
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
@playmaker5605
@playmaker5605 10 месяцев назад
@@pullingrabbitsouttaahat this link is probably an add to his content that seems controversial, probably not something to waste time one except if you wanna laugh.
@SN-of5tu
@SN-of5tu 2 года назад
I just failed my calculus test, and after having watched so many videos on youtube on how to solve indeterminates, the algorithm has recommended me this. Never before have I been so happy to never have stumbled upon this equation. I'm pretty sure that it would have broken me if it had appeared in the test. Now I have newfound respect towards normal indeterminates. This right here is the eldritch equivalent of indeterminates. It makes me shudder to think how you even stumbled upon it.
@anastasiskanidis1925
@anastasiskanidis1925 Год назад
This is honestly the best limit I have ever seen, it has literally everything a student needs to be able to calculate limits (when x goes to infinity). Absolutely amazing.
@azmath2059
@azmath2059 6 лет назад
This is truly great maths to watch, and one hell of a limit problem. Thanks for posting.
@NazriB
@NazriB 2 года назад
Lies again? DMP Triple
@LudwigvanBeethoven2
@LudwigvanBeethoven2 4 года назад
This is those questions that you skip without even looking at it
@thibaultfelicite9641
@thibaultfelicite9641 5 лет назад
The evil Laugh at 17:18 x)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 лет назад
: )
@alanturingtesla
@alanturingtesla 6 лет назад
I am really happy to see 20 minutes video. Yay indeed! Thanks!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Crazy Drummer I am very glad too. Thank you!!!
@JBaker452
@JBaker452 6 лет назад
This idea of ignoring lower order terms reminds me of something we call O-notation in rough algorithmic time and memory measurement calculations.
@Latronibus
@Latronibus 2 года назад
You can do this problem with a Taylor approach, which ends up being formally written with oh notation (you need your error in the brackets to be o(1/x) to get the right final answer).
@Joshinthetronk
@Joshinthetronk Год назад
I just finished my calc I final exam and I gotta say I’m pretty excited for calc II. Thank you for such a great rigorous video to end my night :D
@kono152
@kono152 Год назад
congrats on finishing calc 1
@purushotamgarg8453
@purushotamgarg8453 6 лет назад
What a patient guy... I usually edit a step to change it into the next step and this way I save a lot of ink and space. But he is so hard working. Hats Off..
@jwky8295
@jwky8295 4 года назад
Am I the only one that got cracked up when he said "oh, I drew the same box again" I spent 5 minutes plus laughing man
@valentindo
@valentindo 4 года назад
If we substitute x with 1/y , y approaching 0 in the positive area we can jump a lot of algebric steps.
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 6 лет назад
that was süper brütal also, as a christmas gift almost as good as socks.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
AndDiracisHisProphet hahahahahah. I like those dots on the u
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 6 лет назад
that's the second time derivative.
@voltairesarmy6702
@voltairesarmy6702 6 лет назад
Wats wrong with socks? I could use a few pairs. :)
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 6 лет назад
It's like gifting your girlfriend with a vacuum cleaner or an iron
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
@gtziavelis
@gtziavelis 6 лет назад
upside-down thumbnail
@jarmingho
@jarmingho 6 лет назад
Best Xmas gift ever!
@perpetuarealityVODs
@perpetuarealityVODs 6 лет назад
Yo Dawg, I heard you like indeterminate forms, so I put an indeterminate form on your indeterminate form so you can calculate limits while you calculate limits!
@maxhaibara8828
@maxhaibara8828 6 лет назад
I'm glad that you're not a lecturer in my univ, or else the exam will be hellish haha
@jeim376
@jeim376 4 года назад
Max Haibara tbh I think this problem would be fun but it would take me hours at least
@dugong369
@dugong369 3 года назад
By doing a little more algebra on the first limit calculation (that resulted in 1) you get 2x/(2x+1) (which is 1 - 1/(2x+1) ). So the original limit is (2x/(2x+1))^x. By substituting m=2x+1, this results in (1-1/m)^(m/2 - 1/2). Using lim as n->inf (1+a/n)^bn = e^ab, the limit is e^(-1/2).
@yoyoezzijr
@yoyoezzijr 2 года назад
This is the best answer
@digbycrankshaft7572
@digbycrankshaft7572 2 года назад
A great feat of perseverance using various interesting techniques. Awesome 👌
@vidaroni
@vidaroni 6 лет назад
Wow, that was really crazy! Great video!
@hipepleful
@hipepleful 2 года назад
This gave me the idea of an inverse limit. I can't really come up with a way for it to be used consistently. "Lim^-1 as x -> oo of 2" would be the notation. Maybe, instead of a constant, it would help do a function inside a function?
@PixelSergey
@PixelSergey 2 года назад
Do you mean "find a function that approaches this limit as x->inf"?
@hipepleful
@hipepleful 2 года назад
@@PixelSergey I'm not really sure.
@createyourownfuture3840
@createyourownfuture3840 2 года назад
I had that idea too, but then it quickly dawned upon me that the idea of an inverse limit is impossible. This is why:- 1) lim (2x/x) x->oo 2) lim (x²/x) x-> 2 3) lim (x) x->2 All lead to the same result, but there's no way that we can list all possible limits which lead to 2. You will say, we cannot list all the answers of ln(-1), but that's different. There's at least a system by which we can do this. We only have to keep changing the number of rotations. This case is exactly the result of 'there are different types of infinities'. You can say that ln(-1) has countably infinite answers, while the idea of inverse limit has uncountably many answers.
@hipepleful
@hipepleful 2 года назад
@@createyourownfuture3840 is it different to log1(x)? I do admit the inverse is realistically useless. My guess is if it DID have a use, it would more likely for organization (ie. Making sure that you have to raise your "answer" to e in order to fully answer the question. Maybe something with catagorization theory (I heard it's a thing, and I have no clue what it's about minus the obvious)?
@BrutalBeast666
@BrutalBeast666 3 года назад
I saw this video on my recommended today and even though it is late I just had to comment on what I found. Changing the constants by 1 multiplies the solution by a factor of 1/√e As in lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+4-√x²+3)^x = 1 and lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+2-√x²+3)^x = 1/e The other constant also works similarly lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+3-√x²+2)^x = 1 and lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+3-√x²+4)^x = 1/e Basically the solution comes out as lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+a-√x²+b)^x = e^[½(a-b-1)] I would never have guessed that just by looking at the equation.
@Jacob-uy8ox
@Jacob-uy8ox 6 лет назад
one of the most insane limits ever seen! a huge madness..
@shezanahmmed5582
@shezanahmmed5582 3 года назад
An awesome limit I've ever seen. Love it.
@razor2infinity48
@razor2infinity48 2 года назад
Amazing Video! Had a fun time watching because you made it easy to follow
@KwongBaby
@KwongBaby 6 лет назад
I watch it all amazing and very complicated differentiation work thank you
@tusharkaushalrajput
@tusharkaushalrajput 3 года назад
Maths will be interesting if you are my teacher. I remembered that today is teachers day. Happy teachers day
@fellipeparreiras4435
@fellipeparreiras4435 4 года назад
This is more of a hand workout than a calculus question 😂😂😂
@Stepbrohelp
@Stepbrohelp 6 лет назад
I just want to know who drew the house that you can faintly see on the left side of the whiteboard
@CornishMiner
@CornishMiner 6 лет назад
Enjoyed that :)
@crimfan
@crimfan 3 года назад
Oh... my... God. That's some seriously insane algebra. Talk about a test of knowledge of detail! Well done.
@swarupjyotibiswas2940
@swarupjyotibiswas2940 2 года назад
This 22 mins was the best part of my day...
@altrogeruvah
@altrogeruvah 6 лет назад
I've watched so many blackpenredpen videos enough to start understanding what it is I'm watching, I am so happy ~
@arielfuxman8868
@arielfuxman8868 4 года назад
e comes up when you do not expect it. Brilliant!
@smhemant9111
@smhemant9111 6 лет назад
Well you nailed it at the end, a lot of fun watching it.
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
@RSLT
@RSLT 2 года назад
Beautiful proof! Great job
@itamarrosen7911
@itamarrosen7911 6 лет назад
Yo i checked in the calculator and the limit is true!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Itamar Rosen thanks!!!!!!
@badhbhchadh
@badhbhchadh 5 лет назад
Damn, do you have a TI-89?
@inx1819
@inx1819 3 года назад
@@badhbhchadh most likely he didn't use a ti89, i typed it in like 2 minutes ago and it's still calculating LMAO wolfram alpha gives it in 2 seconds tho
@mathevengers1131
@mathevengers1131 3 года назад
It means that you don't trust him.
@YaStasDavydov
@YaStasDavydov 6 лет назад
I believe it would be easier to solve using t=1/x substitution and then doing McLauren series expansion at point t=0
@wahyuadi35
@wahyuadi35 6 лет назад
Hi. You're so nice at math, especially on calculus. Can you do another video about algorithm? I'd like to see if you can do.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
Wahyu Adi algorithm?
@anatomania1126
@anatomania1126 6 лет назад
That was a trip. Bravo
@copperfield42
@copperfield42 6 лет назад
is a Indeterminaception XD
@fitriazusni2655
@fitriazusni2655 2 года назад
I ll have calculus I final exam next week. Thank you for the video!
@paradoxicallyexcellent5138
@paradoxicallyexcellent5138 4 года назад
You should do a follow-up video doing this the right way, with the second-order Taylor approximation of the square root function.
@paradoxicallyexcellent5138
@paradoxicallyexcellent5138 4 года назад
First order gives you 1^infinity. Second order gives you (1-1/(2x))^x
@chsh9686
@chsh9686 3 года назад
I love it !
@mohan153doshi
@mohan153doshi Год назад
I don't mind answering this question in my final exam but only if you are my calculus teacher, for I would then surely know that my efforts would be truly appreciated. Of course no other calculus teacher would even dream of such a vile limit, let alone put it on a final exam paper. Great explanation, great problem and as usual - that's it.
@egillandersson1780
@egillandersson1780 4 года назад
Wow ! Nice work. Not really difficult, but you have to be very persistent and confident.
@sloosh2188
@sloosh2188 Год назад
Sqrt(e)/e makes my calc teacher happier. Great work amazing video!
@davidadegboye773
@davidadegboye773 5 лет назад
I love the way he says square root
@c.j.3184
@c.j.3184 4 года назад
Not sure if this makes it any simpler but since you have f(x)^x as a limit, maybe you could use the limit that defines e^x? Or in this case, e^k? Like so... [sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) - sqrt(x^2 + 3)]^x = [1 + k/x]^x solving for k gives k = x*[sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) - sqrt(x^2 + 3) - 1] but [1 + k/x]^x is just e^k in the limit you still have to work out that x*[sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) - sqrt(x^2 + 3) - 1] is equal to -1/2 in the limit
@SeriousApache
@SeriousApache 5 лет назад
The limit of inside without any calculations should be 1, you can use Murphy's Law for it.
@akinextreme8136
@akinextreme8136 2 года назад
Hahahahah
@sansamman4619
@sansamman4619 6 лет назад
i have a rule made its called de' or eo rule (de)means take the derivative of all functions inside the parentheses and the derivative of the power as well, eo means take the integral ( the second step might not work, but you should try ot if the de step fails )
@RogerLmao
@RogerLmao 6 лет назад
Very clever solution!
@C186400
@C186400 5 лет назад
That was a very clever solution.
@HimmDawg
@HimmDawg 6 лет назад
This thing looks like the raidboss of calculus, but once we know its secret, it becomes easy(er)...... it still looks terrifying :D
@chibimentor
@chibimentor 2 года назад
Thanks!
@MateusTinoco123
@MateusTinoco123 6 лет назад
I think I have a challenge for you... It's a question that was on the test for calculus monitor of my college, here in Brazil. It goes like this: -Calculate: limit when n -> Infinite of ( 1/((√n).(√(n+1))) + 1/((√n).(√(n+2))) + 1/((√n).(√(n+3))) + ... + 1/((√n).(√(n+n))) ). It might be a challenge, or not! It would be really nice to see you solving it in video, if possible! Thanks for all your videos, they are very funny and inspiring!
@CharIie83
@CharIie83 4 года назад
thats just awesome
@comingshoon2717
@comingshoon2717 4 года назад
Eres un crack!!!.... cuando subirás ecuaciones en diferencia ???? (difference equations)
@FuhrerShattercore
@FuhrerShattercore 6 лет назад
Thank god I finished all calculus courses before blackandredpen invented this monster
@JesseBusman1996
@JesseBusman1996 6 лет назад
Awesome!
@workforyouraims
@workforyouraims 6 лет назад
nice video man.really entartaining
@kira-ph5eh
@kira-ph5eh 4 года назад
In India , we have a easy formula for limits in the form 1^Infinity. It is lim x->a f(x) ^g(x) and f(a)=1 and g(a) =Infinity = e^{lim x->a g(x) * ( 1 - f(x) )}
@preetpatil1366
@preetpatil1366 4 года назад
Yaa its right
@hadhad129
@hadhad129 6 лет назад
My calc 2 teacher, I already graduated why am watching these (as in I have seen over a hundred) I guess masters here I come lol.
@11cookeaw14
@11cookeaw14 Год назад
I worked it out with the simple approximation (a+b)^.5 is approximately a^.5+b/(2a^.5) when a>>b.
@surya912003
@surya912003 6 лет назад
Brilliant..
@barryzeeberg3672
@barryzeeberg3672 Год назад
could you expand the 2 square roots using the binomial theorem, get some cancellations when taking the difference, and somehow put a cap on the remainder?
@ehess1492
@ehess1492 4 года назад
At 5:30, when using the x^2 pieces of sqrt to cancel the 2x, how can you ignore the remaining x^1 term, that would give some factor of sqrt(inf) in the denominator, which would send the limit to zero?
@cmorris6875
@cmorris6875 2 года назад
when solving limits where x-->inf , especially with functions that are one polynomial over another, a useful trick is to multiply both the numerator and the denominator by (1/x). keep doing this until the highest degree term is reduced to only a coefficient. then, when the limit is taken, those other terms end up being some number devided by infinity, which makes them zero. this is why he ignores all but the highest degree term; the other terms are reduced to zero.
@gregorio8827
@gregorio8827 6 лет назад
Whats the limit of this expresion when x goes to 0? It is a 0^0 situation
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
omg.....
@gregorio8827
@gregorio8827 6 лет назад
Omg!! I've done it. The answer is 1. I just aplied LH two times and i ended with ln(L)=0 so L is equal to 1. I take a look with geogebra and im right! I can't believe this is the first limit i've solved
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
OH WOW! that's impressive!!!
@gregorio8827
@gregorio8827 6 лет назад
Could you take the limit when x goes to negative infinty and work with complex numbers? I think that would be pretty dificult (Sorry for the bad english)
@Sam-el4hq
@Sam-el4hq 4 года назад
@@gregorio8827 I, using my s___ty math ended up with 0, read my comment to see how I got it
@ScholarStream_25
@ScholarStream_25 4 года назад
Hey black red pen do you practice the problems before coming on the video.If no then 🤯 u blow my mind by such clean mathematical operations with out much mistakes,🤟
@zaidsalameh1
@zaidsalameh1 6 лет назад
Rationalizing denominator for the final Answer?
@alexanderterry187
@alexanderterry187 6 лет назад
ZAID SALAMEH why?
@FranLegon
@FranLegon 6 лет назад
How?
@FranLegon
@FranLegon 6 лет назад
scrt(e)/e still has an irrational denominator
@jeromesnail
@jeromesnail 6 лет назад
ZAID SALAMEH "we're adults now"
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 лет назад
jeromesnail (sqrt(e))^(-1)
@thatoneguywiththatonename
@thatoneguywiththatonename 2 года назад
i have no idea why i'm watching this, but it's so interesting i stayed the entire 22 minutes
@Abhay0505
@Abhay0505 Месяц назад
What a brilliant sum ❤
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 4 года назад
Somehow this video makes me feel like I just bought a used car from a guy who talks very fast.
@JVRD27
@JVRD27 6 лет назад
You are great!
@ununeniy5843
@ununeniy5843 4 года назад
lim x->infinity (1+1/x)^x->e; after we have 1^(infinity)=e
@oximas
@oximas 4 года назад
omg dude you are brUral with your algebra
@juliangst
@juliangst 6 лет назад
After my math exam today, I'm definitely done with Mathe for the next 3 days xD
@waterdragonlucas8263
@waterdragonlucas8263 2 года назад
As someone who is not very familiar with calculus, I feel like bprp is making up rules as he goes to make it look like he knows what he's doing (which he is)
@Impossiblegend
@Impossiblegend 2 года назад
Watched the video twice (and know calc) everything he does is correct I just would have done it differently
@amoledzeppelin
@amoledzeppelin 6 лет назад
Wow, here it's even blackpenredpenbluepen.
@peaceandray240
@peaceandray240 6 лет назад
It's impossible! Well done!
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
@MrCavityMan
@MrCavityMan 3 года назад
What a wild ride
@gooseberry_disliker
@gooseberry_disliker 2 года назад
a very interesting limit indeed!
@Nicholas-gr5pb
@Nicholas-gr5pb 6 лет назад
At 6:20 roughly I get confused; shouldn’t the limit be to 0 since we know both sqrt(x^2 +2x + 3) and sqrt(x^2 + 3) are both >x so the denominator is > 2x and the fraction is
@nicholasjenkins7163
@nicholasjenkins7163 6 лет назад
Nicholas 4321 they are equivalent for large x values. more formally 2x/(sqrt(x^2+2x+3) +sqrt(x^2+3) = 2x/(x(sqrt(1+2/x + 3/x^2) + sqrt(1+3/x^2)))= 2/(sqrt(1+2/x + 3/x^2) + sqrt(1+3/x^2)) as x goes to infinity 2/x and 3/x^2 go to 0 (if this seems non-obvious, think about what happens when you divide something by a really big number, or look at their graphs) so we get 2/(sqrt(1)+sqrt(1))=2/2= 1
@Nicholas-gr5pb
@Nicholas-gr5pb 6 лет назад
Nicholas Jenkins gotcha eliminating x from either the numerator or denominator seems to make it a lot easier thanks 😊
@subramanyakarthik5843
@subramanyakarthik5843 Год назад
This is the one i thought Ramanujan and other math greats wouldn't have solved it
@willyh.r.1216
@willyh.r.1216 4 года назад
Thank you for posting it. This is a good math project. Putting this in a regular math exam reveals teacher' sadistic attitude. So, pointless. Believe me, I learned math in a tough way. Again, this is a promising math exploration project. Putnam competition is a different level.
@adandap
@adandap 4 года назад
Wow - you managed to make this *way* harder than it needed to be! Use the Taylor series for sqrt(1+a) = 1 +a/2 - a^2/8+... for both square roots after pulling out x. Then you get L = lim (1-1/(2x))^x = e^(-1/2) very easily.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 года назад
adandap yup, I like to torture myself with math! You should check out my “extreme algebra” and “100 integrals” videos : )
@Daniel-ef6gg
@Daniel-ef6gg 5 лет назад
An easier way to solve this would be to recognize that x^2 +2x +3 = (x+1)^2 + 2. Then when you calculate the inner limit, keep an extra term. [(x^2 +2x +3) - (x^2 +3)]÷[((x+1)^2 +2)^.5 + (x^2 +3)^.5] -> (2x) ÷ (x+1 + x) = 1 - 1/(2x +1). When you then calculate this to the power x and compare it to the definition of e, the answer e^(-1/2) drops out automatically. To be more careful, you can show that the inner function is equal to (1 - 1/(2x) + O(1/x^2)) for all positive x.
@AlwinMao
@AlwinMao 6 лет назад
Another way, if you happen to know Taylor series, (1+x)^n = 1 + n*x + (1/2) * n(n-1)x^2 + ... n = 0.5 for square root, so sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) = x sqrt(1 + 2/x + 3/x^2) = x (1 + 0.5 (2/x+3/x^2) - (1/8) (2/x + 3/x^2)^2 + ... ) and sqrt(x^2 + 3) = x sqrt(1 + 3/x/x) = x (1 + 0.5 (3/x^2) - (1/8) (3/x^2)^2 + ... ) As x -> infinity, 1/x >> 1/x^2 >> 1/x^3, so we can ignore higher terms once we have a few non-zero terms. Subtracting the two, term by term: x (1 + 0.5 (2/x+3/x^2) - (1/8) (2/x + 3/x^2)^2 + ... ) - x (1 + 0.5 (3/x^2) - (1/8) (3/x^2)^2 + ... ) =x (0 + 0.5(2/x) - (1/8) (4/x^2 + 12/x^3 + 9/x^4 - 9/x^4)) =x ( 1/x - (1/2x^2) - (1/x^3 terms and smaller, which can be ignored)) = 1 - (1/2)(1/x) - (smaller terms, which go to 0, taking x -> infinity) The limit is then quickly (1 - (1/2)(1/x))^x, which we know to be e^-(1/2). Solving it this way means thinking of a few less-tedious steps. 1. A few terms of Taylor series, plugging into a general formula we already know 2. Subtract the two parts to see what is left over. 3. Make sure what is left over is not zero. Add more terms and repeat step 1 if it is zero. In this case, I expanded to 1/x^2, ignoring 1/x^3., and the components of the power series were (2/x + 3/x^2)^n, so I knew I needed Taylor series terms up to n = 2. If I used only n = 1, I would have missed the contribution (2/x + 3/x^2)^2 = (4/x^2 + ...). If I didn't expand to 1/x^2, I would have been left with (1)^infinity, which is indeterminate. I knew this would happen because I had something that looked like x sqrt (1 + ... ) - x sqrt (1 + ... ). 4. Use definition of e. The time-consuming part is repeatedly adding more terms to the Taylor expansion. Intuition and practice will help you figure out how many terms and what order to expand to. Most of the time the answer will only require n = 1 or n = 2, requiring multiplications instead of derivatives, and usually requiring only 1/x or 1/x^2 terms. The point is: Taylor series can do the derivatives for you, so all you do is multiply terms and keep track of the ones that are large enough to matter.
@AlwinMao
@AlwinMao 6 лет назад
Doing it this way helps to see what would happen if the numbers were replaced with other numbers. lim ( sqrt(x^2 + 2x + a) - sqrt(x^2 + b) )^x = e^((a-b-1)/2) for any real a,b. The 2x needs the 2 because of the square root. Hope you make a cube root (x^3) version next >:)
@ForerOneSA
@ForerOneSA 6 лет назад
Hi, you can solve this differential ecuation in terms of tanh? I solved in terms of ln but I'm interesing in the another result. (dv/dt)=g-cv^2, v= velocity, g=gravity and c=k/m, k is a constant and m is the mass, the initial condition is V(0)=V0 (V0 is the velocity initial). Thank you :)
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
@maurocruz1824
@maurocruz1824 5 лет назад
Amazing.
@Nerdwithoutglass
@Nerdwithoutglass 3 года назад
e^-0.5 is a famous guy, I also found him while doing limit x goes to inf of (xln(1+1/x))^x
@spontidakisnikolas3313
@spontidakisnikolas3313 3 года назад
10:40 yeah because the other part was really easy to think of
@nathanielb3510
@nathanielb3510 4 года назад
9:39 "because of the Chain Rule" ... the what? Is that related to the Chen Lu?
@godson200
@godson200 4 года назад
No because of the china flu
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat
@pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 года назад
This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3vAvpeqJkEs.html​
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