@@No__feelings one unblockable low, he doesn't have more than one it's also 26 frames, requires full crouch, has an audible sound cue, can be sidestepped, and has so little range you can backdash it you're telling me this is the low that makes yoshi's lows top tier?
@abirneji Saying its 26 feames is downplaying. If you want to punnish it you have to react 6 frames earlyer since it takes 6 frames for hopkicks/orbitals to start lowcrushing. Making you have to react in 20 frames. If you want to interupt it you have to use a mid since the move highcrushes so interrupt has to be inputed 13 frames earlyer meaning 13 frames of reaction time.
Things like the Sourpiggy Vs Arslan match are exactly why it's always been so surprising to me that Tekken doesn't have some kind of pick/ban system for stages, rather than just randoming.
Yoshi is definitely top 5 he can heal, has tons of unblockable setups, tons of gimmicks, and a guard break. With all of these tools at his disposal in the right hands he really can dictate and control the course of a match better than any character in the game.
It's because Yoshimitsu is finally viable in Tekken 8 after being shit for so many games. I think the core issue is Namco's rush down philosophy in Tekken 8 that they imposed onto every character that traditionally would not be a rush down character. Yoshimitsu being a prime example who has always been a trickster had to get solid fundamental tools, or suffer worse than his Tekken 7 counterpart. Yoshimitsu had an identity crisis back in Tekken 6 where Namco bloated his move list with so much unnecessary gimmicky bullshit. He had solid fundamentals in Tekken 3 with only a few viable good gimmicks. Tekken 3/TTT Yoshi was a solid character which had tools to counter some of the biggest bullshit characters like Ogre/True Ogre. Tekken 7 Yoshimitsu was a joke but finally got better during the end of Tekken 7's life. It still was not enough to make a difference in serious tournament level play. Tekken balance comes down to a dick waving contest where people downplay their mains, and they always want other characters nerfed. I say this as a Yoshimitsu main who is in blue rank. I'm happy that he's finally viable. Is he overtuned? He's definitely strong and I think he deserves his moment in the spotlight. The balance in Tekken 8 is not final, and I am sure that there will be plenty of more balance changes that will change Yoshimitsu's stance in future balance patches. Everyone is freaking out because people are not used to Yoshi being good from the previous Tekken games.
@@Arnuld15Governator it's a lot more than Yoshi being good. It is that he is excellent, while also having his BS. He has more viable offensive and defensive options than the overwhelming majority of the cast, and that's before talking about flash being the fastest combo in the game starter that is barely punishable.
@@Arnuld15Governatorhe's not a rushdown character in Tekken 8 he's the opposite, which is what alot of people have a problem with because he can shut down alot of offense with great defensive tools
@@TK-evhis defensive options are top tier but his offensive options are easily among the worst in the cast. Flash is launch punishable and only starts a combo in heat or NSS, it's good but not as good as people make it seem
Because is pretty simply to any Yoshi player that the majority of people just don't know the match up. They are complaining about stuff the character had last game. Don't get me wrong he got some serious help in this game there is no doubt about that but it still pales to what others have, so it's even more hilarious that the VAST majority of complains are from the core indentity of the char and not really "broken stuff" that he got this game (Besides idk unblockable setup), is clear these people would rather see him unviable joke char again than to learn the match up.
First off, I'd play yoshi even if he was the worst character in the game. I dont care too much about buffs and nerfs, but I dont think kaneandtrench downplayed at all. Everything he said was factual. Yoshi is a top 10 character. Drag, nina, feng, shaheen, claudio, reina, and maybe law and king are all arguably better. Does he have unique ways to get out of situations? Yes. Are his lows not great? Yes. Most people complain about the sweep, but it's only good at the wall. Yes, it becomes an S tier move at the wall, but if you're getting hit with it in the open, idk what to tell you. I didnt see downplay at all, I saw a pretty fair analysis tbh.
In my opinion kaneandtrench right, Yoshi is not my first main but I try to use him, (i'm lee player) he has many weak points, one above all the poking and the extreme linearity of the latter does not draw almost anything to his left so SSR you can evade any type of pressure (and I have met players who are already kishin bushi who do it perfectly so I don't dare to imagine at high levels) so for me he's not top 5, but top 10 100%
Saying the characters lows are either - on hit or risky on block is insane downplay? That is factually true, damn Tekken 8 is really exposed the "high level" players brainrot recently. The narrative pros are pushing is that there are alot of top 5 characters, so some are just not gonna be top 5 to certain people.
It is not actually factually true as there are many charcaters in the cast who suffer with way worse lows and way worse weaknesses than yoshi ever could, why as a yoshi player do you even need to rely on low damage pressure when you can just flash or unblockable setup into a full combo, and yoshi’s range is absolutely cracked anyways (something that 100% wasn’t always a part of his character) he still has the same knowledge check setups that are bs to people who don’t know (any cancel into soul grab setup deserves to be on here, or sword windmill setup)
everyone is in their “endless complaining” era rn. this game will never be good enough, the character balance will always be wrong, and everyone’s main will always be so honest, and in need of help, while the characters that they PERSONALLY hate, will be the “problematic” characters. this community is a meme
yeah people just seem to not get that stance and setup lows are not the same as neutral lows, the latter being yoshis weakness. you can't just run up to someone and use one of yoshis situational tools like its a hatchet kick, even less now that all three of his most infamous moves, swordsweep, flash and unblockable swordspin got nerfed with the new distinct sound effects on the first two and startup frames on the third. swordsweep used to be completely silent in tekken 7 and even then it was just an oki setup in high level. they even indirectly nerfed his low game by nerfing the generic D4, which was really good on yoshi due to the threat of flash, making it a pseudo plus on hit low in tekken 7. yes yoshi is strong now, strongest he has ever been, but he still has abusable weaknesses just like any other character, and i don't get how pointing those out is downplaying
Dude who said "nobody beats ulsan until drag is nerfed" I think doesn't understand that nerfing drag is hard, and even then, ulsan is an overall good tekken player
I do still think overall nerfs are needed. Tekken 8 needs to reward learning and not oppressing. Or maybe they can just increase HP so that 2 combos won't be enough to kill you
Nerf string pressure and buff movement. Don't touch juggle damage as it makes Tekken what it is but remove strong tailspin or limit them to once per combo. We already have recoverable health. Juggle damage is like a dissapointed asian parent telling you that you f**ked it up and need to do better. It makes tekken what it is. If you get launched twice in T8 were magic 4s got nerfed and there is no akuma you truly f**ked up and deserve your L. Make heat and rage mutually exclusive similar to Kazuyas devil transformation in T7 which was essentially proto heat mode. Alongside nerfing counterhits this would make T8 overturn T7.
Poor guy. Only said his opinion and he was almost took to court. This community have no mercy. Reminds me when I got death threats because I said Devil Jin wasn’t S tier. Now who is bottom 3 B****.
Because he is not being honest. Its not his opinion, he is deliberately trying to create a narrative that stops Tekken dev to nerf Yoshi in the next patch. KaneandTrench never had any tournament success until Yoshi got super buffed.
@cryforyes9441 no dumbo, Kane said he is gonna get nerf like every other but he is pushing not to get nerfed super hard. Remind me one tournament Kane and Trench won in recent memory??
he has to downplay his character or else he gets nerfed he knows yoshimitsu is stupid but he has to downplay to not get nerfed 😂 Ulsan was the only who wasnt a bitch and didnt try to downplay.
All the people saying Trench is downplaying just shows how gentrificatied the community is right now. So many new players think they know what they are talking about. Its funny😂
Kane was pretty speaking the truth, the top 6 right now are 1. Dragunov 2. Nina 3. Jin 4. Alisa 5. Feng 6. Yoshi #3-5 can all be moved around, but what makes them all excel over Yoshi is the fact they can just play small tekken much better than him. His small tekken is pretty mid in regards to rest of the cast, that's why they gave him Flash.
Yoshi shuts down Eddy Gordo’s entire mix up game and nobody is talking about that cause Yoshi is strong against the entire cast but seriously somebody needs to release a video to show how much of a hard counter Yoshi is to Eddy Gordo, it’s so atrocious that it can’t be by design choice it has to be a mistake/oversight!
yoshis weakness is that he is complicated. The top tier characters should be hard to play. We always have super easy characters that dominate fighting games. How about lets have the complex characters have a turn. No need to nerf yoshi. Lets wait until yoshi actually wins something. But no people just dont want to learn the match and want yoshi to be a shit character again. lets ignore how easy it is to use dragonov and how much that character has been winning.
Lool. What a miserable take.. When T8 came out all the pros were crying about Xiaoyu was too OP and crying about her AOP that it’s something that she always done since ever.. And Xiaoyu never won a tournament in her existence.. So.. Yoshimitsu suffered the opposite path of Devil Jin since T8 came out.. Buffs after buffs after buffs.. This guy is just trying to deflect the direction of the nerfs that everyone knows he really needs..
yoshimitsu should be the main character anyway. his story line is basically captain hook. Anyway his kit is lore accurate. He is strong but has some weaknesses
This is why I have given up on the Tekken community. Nobody is being honest. Every Player is trying to downplay their character, so that it doesn't get nerfed. Tekken has such a massive balance problem now.
“Insane downplay from legendary tekken pro” i thought phidx was talking about himself until i noticed it said Legendary cuz that couldn’t be him since he never wins anything
If he was top 5 Arslyn ash wouldnt have switched back to Nina . Also, yoshi hasn’t won any anyyyy big tournaments And he’s not an S tier character . Dragonuv and Nina have way better lows and damage . Yoshi is risky asf
Not having better low doesnt mean its not S tier though. But honestly he has unblockable low and most of the time everyone got hit by it in tournament and his lows and pokes are not that bad
@@nabedesu7708 no offense…. But you’re wrong. I second main yoshi and his lows are mid.. not bad but they’re definitely not good. Most .. if not all of the tools yoshi has that people complain about are his unblockables or his gaurd break but they’re all slow.. like really slow. If you see a Yoshi trying to do an unblockable sweep … then just hop kick. That’s how you punish it. He’s got one counter hit low launch that I thinks pretty good but it’s launchable like everyone else’s is. Yoshis real strength isn’t his unblockables… it’s his mind games. If we know our opponents already made their mind up that they’re not going to block low they well go for an unblockable sweep. Yoshis punishes peoples habits with his unblockables and flash and its apart of his mind games. But if you can react to that stuff then .. it’s really not that big of a deal.. Also.. his flash doesn’t give a full combo like it used to in tekken 7 unless he’s in his no sword stance or heat… but since people don’t the match up and didn’t no it back then.. they don’t know that flash is already nerfed .. but I’ll admit , his flash hit box is bigger when he’s in heat by a lot My honest opinion is that he’s about A tier . Or between A and A+.. but he isn’t “broken” . He’s about as good as reina
"Dragunov and Nina have way better lows and damage" My brother in christ Dragunov has 2 lows that are also risky why is yoshi getting a pass for this but Dragunov can't?
To anyone complaining about flash, learn that you can delay your offense a few frames in situations yoshi can flash, and you'll be able to get a full combo, which is half the lifebar in this game usually.
Gotta downplay. I been yoshi main since tekken 6, I’d play him if he was good or bad. Either way he needs some adjustments and nerfs..spin should hurt more, but other strong chars can’t be ignored either. Drag is beyond broken. You watch these tourneys and it ends up drag v drag. I will say once I reached yellow ranks lots of my bullshit stopped working and I had time to restructure my entire play style. If your blue or below there are lots of strong punishers and counters.. as well as matchup knowledge that can help you consistently beat a yoshi or make it close. If they nerf yoshi into the ground I’ll still play him so I don’t dint care what happens
The yoshi focus is a good example of how sheep mindset works. There's genuinely only 1 thing worth changing which is the guard break which other characters have as well, but no one mentions that.
Turn this game from FT2 to unlimited rematches, and yoshi will fall a whole tier. You can't really balance a gimmick character in a game where you don't have enough time to really adapt to your opponent. Most yoshis I see overuse their gimmicks, and they actually have bad fundamentals for their rank. Watch yoshi get nerfed, then we get back infinite rematches, and all of a sudden, yoshi is gonna be B tier. The reason I dont think Kane is downplaying here is because as you can see he rarely used the notorious 3 moves of yoshi (swordsweep, flash, spin), I think he didnt even use flash once. Yet he did manage to win. He overall played really well with limited gimmick use. You can't deny all that and just say he is downplaying yoshi. The guy played like crazy and all people can think is that his character is OP diminishing his efforts. Also, he said he believes yoshi is just outiside of top 5, not that he is B tier or something. I'd say just outside of top 5 is still pretty damn strong.
Surprised you ain't off tring to run and get some more of that SF6 Money (Trying to convince people a 2D fighting game in 2024 is acceptable) telling us how fun it is because any 2D fighting game can't have 1/100 of depth any 3D fighting game can 😅😂. Just kidding......weeelll not really.
