Inside the Nautilus of Jules Verne: an internal arrangement for the famous sub 

funny thing is this is over a hundre years old and they still can't make it work, comnsidering also that what the books tells is actualy possible.

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec it doesn't work because it is physically nonsense. This is science fiction, not real science.

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec The energy density of the system wouldn't be high enough to meet the requirements of a ship the Nautilus's size.

@@Jacky-zt5ch but the method is possible and works, just ignored for over a hundred years.

That's not actually what he was describing; the most common English translation botches it. It's explained better in the French, and the U.S. Naval Institute translation. They were batteries, with the sodium having to be replaced, which is why the Nautilus' homeport is inside an extinct volcano.

Given how much the Nautilus used electricity, I think steering by wire (electricity) is the most likely.

At least low in the hull so that one can walk out on a short ramp not very steep.

The best reason to have an airlock in the bottom of the hull is that the air has the most room to be above the water when transitioning and the pressure on the hatch will be uniform instead of variable as in a vertical door. With enough pressure on the inside to counteract the water pressure, it is possible to enter or leave the water without much water entering the interior of the sub.

The Nautilus has significantly more detail in the sequel novel 'Nemo Returns', where it is described as not only having 2 decks through the full length (So the dining room and lower level of the library are on the lower deck, and the upper deck of the library goes through the kitchen to the command deck), but also behind the organ is a hidden laboratory. And the airlock does indeed open down. Doesn't go into detail with the boat on the top, which seems to have been either damaged or removed during the Nautilus' refit by the daughter of the secret villain.

@@NikkiTheOtter you should make this a top level comment so he sees it!

@@PetesGuide I don't know how to do that

Nemo was anything but maniacal. Obsessive, and driven by vengance, but methodical and analytical.

This music played on organ please: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fPLs2te49nA.html

you do know that Captain Nemo saves the guys from Mysterious island, right? More than once.

@@grigturcescu6190 Yes, rather my point. He's no gibbering evil madman, but a cultured and rational man. He has a vendetta against a particular country, but has no issue rescuing people.

@@stainlesssteelfox1 Or financing revolutions. But I was replying to The comment, not to you :D

So like a solenoid motor, then? That would be an interesting approach...

@@camojoe83 That's what I got from the description. Like a reciprocating steam engine, but with solenoids driving the crankshaft.

They were not mature, but by the 1870's commutated electric motors had existed for four decades, and had propelled boats for three decades.

agreed!

I am right with you there buddy.

I agree, that jangling noise drowned out the speech and I gave up within five minutes.

it was my understanding that would have to be a retcon developed after we developed nuclear power. I have seen versions describing it as a radiant energy drive, but earlier versions claim sodium mercury batteries, so the radiant drive too would be a post nuclear age retcon.

What radiation, the nautilus was battery powered, using sodium and Mercury.

Excellent show.

"Decompression sickness", is originally called Caisson disease because it first showed up when building underwater bridge piers/tunnels.

Audio is very muddy. No "presence". Sounds like you're wearing a balaclava.

I had to give up on this, poor audio and too loud background. A wase of an otherwise interesting video :-(

Disney's Nautilus is entirely different. The Nautilus from the novel can not fit into your memories.

The color plates I believe were by N.C. Wyeth in the hardbound versions, both Leagues and Mysterious Island were at my local library. A superb illustrator and designer, I think his work was superior to the contemporary B+W engravings.

@@bernieschiff5919 ...thank you...between my high school and public library I prolly read every hardback edition of Vern's books...20,00 Leagues, Mysterious Island and Micheal Strogoff for sure...those illustrations obviously made a huge impression on me...prolly read them during classes I had little/no interest in (algebra, geometry, grammar, Latin etc - I SUCKED at math) usually had the book that I was reading under the text...I was also prolly the only student banned from the library during class hours...that ban didn't last very long, though...kinda fun to look back at Verne's novels and see how his view of the future was influenced by the discoveries of the late 19th century/Victorian era

Ictineo II was a great design, air independent propulsion with use of peroxyde. Very beautiful submarine!

I agree. I remember the pilot house to be sort of on the foredeck about 1/4 of the distance from the prow to the stern with 2 round windows of thick glass to be able to see and were just above the water surface when on the surface. There was a strengthening ridge along the center top of the hull.

Nautilus was armed with torpedoes too. In "Misterious Island" Nemo sunk pirate vessel whit a torpedo hit...

Disney's production designer addressed all of these issues and created a brilliant solution, all the while staying true to Walt's vision of the 19th century. Above all, everything had to be practical for live action filming with real water and create dramatic visuals that worked with the story and would be accepted by a contemporary audience in the 1950's. Note the viewing windows in the Disney film are not round, but segmented flat panels with metal framing to protect them. The iris opening and closing is inside the glass, and just acts as a curtain. The movie had the largest budget in it's time for a fantasy film, in today's money it would probably be north of 150-200M.

Disney certainly hinted that it was nuclear.

If the Nautilus was nuclear, it would need boilers or steam generators which the book claimed it did not have. Also, the reactor would use super enriched fuel or else the Nautilus would need to be huge to accommodate a reactor using less enriched fuel. Furthermore, if the Nautilus was nuclear, Nemo would need access to a uranium enrichment facility whether his uranium fuel was used in the Nautilus' reactor directly or in a land-based reactor to produce transuranic elements for use in the ship's reactor. If the Nautilus used thorium, Nemo would still need an enrichment facility to manufacture fuel grade uranium to produce neutron producing elements (such as plutonium) as a neutron source for the thorium.

Probably not. Simply because when Jules Verne wrote the novel nuclear energy was not discovered yet.

The USN USS Nautilus was named after the Disney version; Disney's contribution to the story that the Nautilus is nuclear powered.

@@iasimov5960 all true. but it certainly would look like it to a modern person. Of course most are influenced by Disney's classic movie. Perhaps he found a way to use something else. No matter; what Jules Verne though of cannot not in any way shape or form be considered anything less than extraordinarily visionary.

Everyone likes it, it is dramatic and unusual. Unfortunately it bears little resemblance to Verne's descriptions, in it's size, arrangements or layout, but of course since millions of people watched the movie and also failed to read the book, all assume it is an accurate representation. It isn't.

@@AncientEgyptArchitecture Disney's production designer needed to create something practical the modern audience could accept as real and concepts that would work in live action filming, for example the airlock, the boat, the wheelhouse, and how the submarine attacks other ships, all while having a 19th century look to everything. It was a brilliant piece of work and creativity; it has not dated at all and is still accepted by many as the best interpretation of the story on film. Jules Verne was not an engineer; however, he built a story around what might be possible in the near future. I understand he formulated many of his ideas and wrote chapters of the novel while traveling on The Great Eastern, parts of the interior such as the machinery spaces and the Grand Saloon, appear to be inspiration for several of his descriptions.

Very true and interesting points, I had read both books as a kid, Vern’s and the Disney adaptation after seeing the film.

The Seaview.

Seconded. I love the Martian war-machines

He actually goes into plenty of detail about them. So much that he inserted a segment in later editions, roasting their depiction on one of the early cover arts. So we at least know what they didn't look like.

@@VadimKaz2001 well perhaps the version I read didn't. Then again it was fifteen years ago I last read the book, so my memory is probably pretty hazy😅

@@pyronuke4768 He very vividly describes both the tripods and other martian machines. He makes a particular point of how nimble and organic they look and move. Describing that they are moved by artificial metal muscle bundles and that overall they look more alive then martians themselves. All part of his overall message that martians are what humans would become if we devoted ourselves completely to technology.

Exactly.

Long ago, I read an article in a Sherlock Holmes fanzine that purported to prove (very tongue-in-cheek) that Nemo was actually Professor Moriarty. Part of the author's 'evidence' was the extreme cruelty of giving the crew such cramped quarters.

@@jamesbarrett9466 I somehow love that theory! 😁

@@MatthewCaunsfield As if Nemo’s timeline isn’t already confused enough; maybe he’s also the Master from Dr. Who.

@@jamesbarrett9466 That's the thing about time travellers, they could be anywhen!

Captain Nemo was NO villain. It was a hero and commander for his men. A villain for the fuck'n english occupants, a hero for local indian people. For Jules Verne, who was french ( archennemy of british !!) Nemo was a personification of a freedom fighter , not a villain...

I wouldn't count Nemo as a supervillain. His morals are maybe somewhat questionable, but he seems to have both wicked and noble traits. Now where it ultimately balances out is a good question. As to your question, as it applies here, there are any number of disaffected men who would gladly leave society for the promise of something better under the sea. Some might desire revenge, like Nemo himself. Others might just be curious. Still others might be stuck in a poor position and wish to get out. Since Nemo isn't a straightforward villain, this is a lot easier to imagine.

And causes the submarine to nose dive into the same scenery, as in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea?

1. Unlike modern submarines, Nautilus seems to have ballast tanks internally. All the bottom part under engine room, dining room, drawing room and so on was divided between batteries and ballast tanks. 2. It seems that captain Nemo invented some sort of batteries that could be recharged by simply replacing some chemicals in them. AFAIR, in the book they are described as Natrium batteries. 3. Also, AFAIR, in the book, Nautilus had to surface every day a couple of hours to refresh its internal air. And there was no air purifying system. It was considered enough air for the crew a whole day. In the book, when Nautilus was trapped under ice, they struggled with air, especially CO2 contaminated air. Airlock was simply a device to leave the submarine while submerged (of course, using a diving suit). As they did when hunting around Crespo Island.

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In the book, he generates electricity by trailing wires of different lengths. You may have a copy of the early American translation that omits all of the technical details.

@@thhseeking ... no, I had a Romanian translation that had all these details. In that book, Nemo describe to prof. Aronax that he could get electricity by trailing wires at different depths but this would hampered his moves and would be also too weak for any meaningful use. In the same chapter, Nemo say he use sodium / mercury batteries, which generate electricity as long sodium is not depleted, but they are "recharged" by simply adding sodium. Which was produced on his "secret base" (mentioned more detailed in "The mysterious island"), by using coal heat.

That sub would have been uncontrollable. He probably based it on one or more contemporary French submarines, which had one set of planes amidships. He probably didn't know that those early subs were almost uncontrollable because of the one set of planes. They tried adding extra sets, but I don't think that they were movable. They made no difference.

Tesla wasn't ahead of anything. His work in induction motors was original, meaning that he didn't copy anyone, but it had already been done by others.

I rather like how it's depicted in the Disney movie. Though I can imagine they fudged a few measurements of things to make for a decent set. I'd be interested in him running that design of it, and correcting it to make it work.

@@cobrag0318 True, in the Disney version it looks cleaner and a bit more of a fantasy thing mixed with a bit of modern reality. A also agree on the measurements. I mean...he didn't give us an exact design blue print. My one difficulty is that in no case did Jules Verne make allowances for torpedo type capability...only the ability to ram the victim and the Disney Nautilus just does not look like the "monster" it would be. The version in the video clip actually looks like some sort of sea creature from the depths. I too would love to see the design revamped to be functional at the ramming concept.

@@meme9492 I mean, Disney's looked more wicked than the one shown here, as well as looked more steampunk. I'll admit, the example shown here is just a very basic example for visualization of a possible interior plan. But to see him figure out how to place an interior plan over the Disney version would be neat. Also, there was like 2 versions done as made for TV movies in the 90s. 1 was as expected crap, but the other was quite well done iirc. I think 1 was a SciFi channel movie, before they rebranded and became crap, and the other on TNT maybe. It's been a while, but I think I recorded the good one on VHS. I shall have to dig it out and watch it again. That version of the nautilus was wicked looking too. And while not book accurate, the iris instead of shutters for the windows was an excellent use of license.

What you're describing is *not* the original version of the Nautilus. You're describing the Disney version.

Nope. Electric storage batteries.

You are apparently thinking of the Disney movie, not the Verne novel.

@@brianb-p6586 I will read the book again just to make sure.

@@onetruekeeper frankly, I have not read the novel... but it was published decades before physicists developed the theories that allowed them to develop nuclear power. The concept of an atom's nucleus would not have been known to Verne.

@@brianb-p6586 Verne’s books were considered ahead of his time. He predicted time travel, journey to the moon in a spacecraft, submarines powered by nuclear energy and so forth.

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How would you explain it, then? I don't see this as being particularly constructive or relevant if you don't have an explanation yourself. Now, it's been a very long time since I've read the book, but I think that one possibility is that the pilot house does not retract at all, and is protected by an iron fin. The Disney version seems to take this route. Now, if retraction is mentioned, then there are a couple of different possibilities. In the case of this video, where there is a compartment under the wheel house, I think in this case the wheel house doesn't have to be watertight, at least when retracted. The compartment is watertight, and has a hatch that can be sealed. After this compartment is sealed, the compartment is pressurized using compressed air, to a pressure equal to outside water pressure. At this point, the wheel house is retracted, and the air pressure keeps the water out, even if there is no seal around the wheel house. I don't know if the wheel house could actually be sealed with a sliding seal, as while those do exist I'm not sure it would work on something that large, or if such a seal would be available figuring the time period. Now, after the wheel house has been retracted, the opening in the hull might be sealed with a hatch. But, I don't think so. Considering the wheel house only needs to be retracted for short periods of time, keeping the compartment pressurized would be perfectly fine. But, what about sealing the wheel house when it is extended? Now, this is something I am not sure of. I think the wheel house is locked into its position by some kind of screw lock, not unlike the breach of a naval gun. There are other possibilities, including locking bolts and an inflatable seal between the hull and pilot house. But these are just some quick ideas.

It looks pretty much as described in the book. Forget movies.