My friend died while roofing his friends house. He was such a nice and funny guy. He bent down to ties his shoe and rolled over then rolled right off the roof. He fell two stories. He was laughing as he rolled and then yelled shit when he went off the roof. Still miss that dude.
Durn, sorry to hear that. I really appreciate Essential Craftsman focus on safety. Was going to leave a separate comment regarding the roofers using jacks and harnesses.
Vamos ManUtd , learn to stick up for yourself. If you have a conviction that you know for absolute certain is the way things should be DO NOT back down. Your sanity and healthy life is worth way more than some ‘old timers’ giving you grief. There’s absolutely no room in construction for ignorance or bullying. I’m sorry you deal with that. Be you and don’t let anyone change that. 💪🏼🤨
@Vamos ManUtd not sure how the laws are in Ireland but I'm in England and thought it was law that over a certain height you require scaffolding and safety equipment as standard... if you're concerned phone acas about the issue, they will help you 👍 but if your boss thinks it's ok to joke about you're safety, I'd look for a job with somebody who does... your boss won't care or visit you when you're 6 foot under....
Good to see the building industry recognizes the high quality of this channel and are stepping up with support for it. Essential Craftsman is today's equivalent of all the PBS building shows we used to watch 15 years ago.
lol you ever wonder why a company would advertise on a channel for DIY? because they expect homeowners to either buy and install it so they wont know whats good or bad either-way since they will do it once and that's it. or to give the lowest bidder (TAMCO) contractor a leg up. this install is 20% up from the low end in terms of quality everyone knows that this is going to be offloaded and in 10 years no one will call back...
Tamko makes great products made right here in the heartland of the good old USA. Thank's Tamko for the good work!!! Scott, I'm with you! There's two things I won't do anymore, roofing & concrete. Leave those tasks to the younger guy's that have the equipment & know how for getting it done safely & effectively. Hiring them can be some of the best money you spend on a project like this one.
Ha! Mike and Brad were my neighbors in Glide, OR. I’m pretty sure they put the roof on our house. Love your work here Nate and Scott! Watching you guys build this house takes me back to that pole barn you let me help build with you, Scott, back in 2000. I learned a lot of great lessons from you about life during that project. One that stands out was when you told me, as we were picking up hot metal roofing, that ‘a pen and paper won’t burn your hands like this, Triston’. And they never have.
Here's me worrying about the life left in the heritage slates on my 215 year old roof in the UK. I highly regard the quality of your tradecraft, videos and the honesty in your narration. One of the stars of RU-vid.
I remember my cousin and I doing a roofing job with our 72 year old grandfather. We looked up and the old man was carrying a bundle of shingles up the ladder. We told him papaw we will carry the shingles to which he replied “ If I wait for you two this job will never get finished” we were 27 and 28 at the time. Still makes me laugh to this day, They sure don’t make em like that anymore. I miss him every day!
Just created my construction LLC here in WI. Going to be doing ICF homes. I just wanted to say your channel has been a huge help and inspiration over the years. Thanks :)
Been a super 25 years, this is a top notch roofing crew. Top of the line in their safety, consistent execution across all workers. So well trained. Well done job boys!
I built my first house in 1979. I have enjoyed your series on this Spec House. Good job and a quality build. Also I've used Tamko products since 1979. I am to old to build anymore, but have enjoyed the series.
well now that you enjoyed watching some workers, care to watch some professionals that their product is art and not simple work like banging nails and even that questionable? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-32XKHWIaIzs.html
I have those shingles on my house, I'm pretty pleased with them. Looks nice, didn't peel up in high wind storms, and not much loose aggregate in the gutters after three years.
That's a really good point about the loose aggregate. I have Certainteed shingles on a 5 year old roof (50 yr warranty) and I have a few pounds of the stuff that I washed out of the gutters last Fall.
40 yrs contracting and one thing i couldn't do was shingles for some reason i cant keep them straight tried everything you can think of to fix it never did always did what your doing get the roofer to do it another great video guys
I read every comment because of my concern with the roofing problems I noticed. Tamco first off is a low grade shingle, but since it was free who cares? These companies that advertise on RU-vid by giving products away should be scrutinized about product and business practices. Now for the install. For a short video there were too, too many mistakes shown in such a short clip. No ice and water membrane in North Western climate, nails spaced improperly over and over. Nails going through shingles. These architectural laminated shingles are two parts ( thus two parts, top and bottom held together with a sticky material, tar, rubberized membrane, to hold the two parts together during installation. Then the proper amount, properly spaced nails go in the critical nail line to hold the two parts together. There's no compromises when nailing these shingles. I've seen too many laminated shingles slide down the roof or be blown off due to improper nailing because it cost too much for labor to half-ass a roof. I've not been impressed with roofers, still like your channel but you support these roofers when the mistakes they made are on video and unacceptable.
The tar paper was my clue. BUT , they are getting it done. It seams like 90% of roof failures are related to poor shingle installation. 15 year - 30 year - lifetime it doesn’t seam to mater , 10 years after installation a new one is needed because of installation flaws.
The nail pattern defiantly struck a nerve with me. Didn’t c any drip edge going up the rake either. Depending on state and town code it may or may not b necessary for ice barrier and it may or may not b necessary for a 6 nail pattern due to a wind zone.
I roofed houses for about 10 years and I really enjoy watching actual professional roofers work. They aren't racing or putting 10 nails into each shingle in the blink of an eye, while missing the nailing line half the time and improper nail spacing. Just by this little video, I can tell these guys do great work. There are times I miss roofing, but definitely not the sore back, feet, hands and packing those bundles up a ladder. lol
a way to get the ladder in a good angle is to put its feet against yours, standing straight up, arms parallel with the ground; gripping the ladder arms should be completely extended.
Being in electrical construction I have found myself in a harness numerous times. I understand its importance and have a respect for its need, however, seeing the roofers have so much slack in their safety ropes so that if they were to fall would either swing like a pendulum over the edge or fall to the ground completely makes me wonder if the tripping hazards that the ropes cause is worth the trade-off. Like you I am for the safe execution of everyday work and finding that fine line of it being a help or a hinderance is a struggle. I hope you catch what I am saying, not critisizing. Another great video.
On steeper roofs, the rope isn't as bad as If you're on a lower slope. The line tends to run down to the edge of the roof and gravity forces it down as on lower slopes, the rope doesn't really get pulled down so it just bundles up if it is pulled slightly. So on lower slopes it is kinda a hassle and tripping hazard but you gotta work safely nonetheless
@Vamos ManUtd don't risk your life for a job, especially one that laughs at your safety. You can get always find different one, probably one that'll care about your life and pay better, if they're to cheap to buy you a harness they're probably cheap on wages too. You cant come back after busting your neck, or splitting your wig. And no one wants to look back and think, wow being paraplegic sucks, I shouldn't have done that.
Josh work safely, I agree. If its a lower roof the rope is a hazard and no help. The steeper roofs i do (metal roofs), the harness becomes a tool so i can use the harness like a mountain climber to screw off the R panel
I didn't notice at first but you are right their harnesses are not making them safer with that much slack. At my job I have to wear a harness on occasion. On one occasion we threw a rescue dummy off of one of the structures I climb on using the harnesses I wear. on every occasion the dummy swung into the side of the structure and knocked his hard hat off. On on drop it broke his ankle and his foot went flying off. On all of those tests the dummy was using the safety equipment as per the regulations. These guys are doing everything wrong if one of them falls they are going to be in a world of hurt.
You have to account for up to 16' of stretch in your safety equipment per my province safety guidelines. Harnesses on a single story home are purely to keep people in suits happy.
Heck Yeah... FALL PROTECTION... LADDER SAFETY!!! Can't stress those enough! Falls Kill!!! Had the owner of a painting contracting business fall off the 6th rung of an 8 foot stepladder and die in the doorway of one of our City libraries.... very, very sad!!! Great video Scott!!!!!!
Every time I watch one of your videos I wish I had a teacher like you in my trade. I'm a machinist and when I was a young apprentice none of the more experienced guys wanted to show me anything even though I was super eager to learn. All of the machinist I worked with were grumpy and had ego problems. Thank you for taking the time to explain the detail of your trade. God bless!
I don't understand the nailing pattern I saw being used. I'm in aware of any tamko installation specs that call for this type of nailing pattern. Maybe it was supposed to be a 6 nail pattern and the camera angle made the nails in the middle seem to close together.
I agree. I didn't wanna be that guy, but the pattern is pretty suspect. I wanna see more nails on the greater slope too. EC says they do all his roofs so, I'll leave it alone.
I have to agree they missed the nailing strip quite often from the shots shown and it’s a lot different in Florida hurricane zone but still doesn’t seem correct at all and haphazardly shot.
@L F pretty spot on. Id hate to seem the guy ever doing a cedar wood shake roof. Gotta have your shit right there or youre in for one hefty repair or full on replacement.
ladder safety is a must been climbing them for years as a electrician. and climbed one i wasn't familiar with about 6 months ago it slid and i fell about 9 feet right onto my knee and broke it and my big toe. still recovering from it. always double check the ladder and make sure its safe or you stand a chance of getting injured.
@@mattglatt9769 no perhaps you been brainwashed by the USA construction bull shit but incase you have an open mind and want to know how a gutter is properly installed..... always before the roof. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qb7jWo091Do.html
Similar here. What people don't realize is that it doesn't take much height to do damage. Luckily I only had to watch my dad break multiple ribs rather than almost die, but his fall was only 3 to 4ft onto the corner of a planter box. It really doesn't take much and people need to realize that.
Very true, I generally prefer to put up scaffolding. Takes a bit more time perhaps, but makes the work so much easier and safer, and in the end, on the total cost of a project it's negligable.
Hardly anyone ever does, but I recommend that you just read the instructions printed on every bundle. Basically it is this: four nails per shingle except for extra steep slopes, which takes 6 per. But there are lots of other details, it's worth reading, that's why the company prints it on the wrapper.
I havent read the directions on the package of shingles before... but I see no reason why they only nail the left side of the shingle before covering it with the next... or one on each end, and 3 close to each other in the middle... I do 5 and space them equally across the way. Unless its steep or near the edge or whatever and needs extra nails.
The comment towards the end about filming tradesmen was appreciated. I know from experience that it's not just filming, but watching, can feel intrusive.
In Germany we use almost exclusively tiles on our houses, mainly clay with a few slate roofs here and there. Shingles only get used on small stuff like garden sheds.
There are areas that use tiles in the US and some people do choose metal but people like the look of shingles. Some even use cedar shake wood shingles.
Metal roofs are loud in rain, and clay is brittle to hail storm , these are quiet great grip under foot and insulating and sound deadening also they can be overlayed with metal or clay in the future when metal is over the old shingles it is a lot quiet than a basic metal roof
@6:26 I know he is trying to avoid what is considered a golden eye or a roofing nail that can be seen between where the 2 shingles meet on edge but this is a poor nailing pattern
I think that it is wonderful that companies get involved and contribute their products without cost. As to the ladder warning, I can attest to the dangers. Two months ago I was standing on may step ladder (light aluminium) while building my carport here in Australia and all of a sudden it went sideways and I fell about four metres landing in my trailer. Now I am undergoing medical treatment for a torn muscle and squashed nerves in m hands and arms. It happened so suddenly and in the couple of seconds it took to land, may mind was able to tell me that this was going to hurt - and it did! So be careful up there!
I used to work for a roofer in my early twenties. The man I worked for, his father had also been a roofer and fell off a roof because of not taking necessary safety precautions. He spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair because of a broken back. I knew another guy who slipped and fell off a roof. He landed on a wrought iron fence and was impaled through the leg. The fire department and paramedics had to come and lift him up off the fence before going taking him to the hospital. Wearing a harness can make a difference. Make sure roof jacks are nailed into rafters were possible. Tie off ladders, especially on aluminum gutters. The coefficient of friction of aluminum on aluminum is such that ladders slide very easy, in particular when getting on and off the ladder. The moral to this story is that safety isn't about being macho it's about being smart and trying to anticipate the unexpected. Glad to see these guys doing this.
I agree that it is important, but they have a lot of slack in many cases. Which means that they will either hitt the floor before they get caught by the rope. Or they will experience severe trauma after they have fallen for several meters and the rope catches them. Safety equipment needs to be used in the correct way to help.
Let me start by saying i have never left a comment on any youtube video i have ever viewed. After retiring from being in the roofing business my entire life owning my own business for 35 years in southern California i had to stop watching the video after the first few minutes of watching the guys installing the new shingles. Don't know who taught them how to shingle buy they wouldn't last a day without some serious instruction on shingle installation. Normally i really enjoy your videos but this one not so much. Good luck with your project.
Just got off a long day of roofing myself. That story that Phil was talking about is priceless. I couldn't even imagine having that happen. Lol. As always thanks for sharing.
First time I realized there is a road just up the hill behind you...Not as remote as I had envisioned. That's very hard work doing roofs. Your entire body is tense during the entire day. Great video as always. Shout out to Tamko Building Products! Jim.
I am a retired gas passer and I learned that for men to break their hips, they have to get up on a ladder. Women just fall over from the ground. In this town we had a neurosurgeon ended up retiring after falling trimming his trees and hitting his head, and another retired ortho guy who turned his head into a giant melon after falling off a ladder. Men over sixty should sell all their ladders and step stools. Remember. Gravity is not only a good idea, it's the Law.
I worked in a car dealership when I was a kid. We had a family buy a car one week and sell it back the next week after the husband died falling off a ladder putting up Christmas lights. We confiscated my buddy’s dad’s ladder after we caught the 86 year old on it cleaning gutters. He was caring for his wife after her hip surgery. We didn’t need two patients.
A workmate and I priced up a tree job locally once. It was only small but overhung a fence, a road and the pavement (sidewalk) so needed climbing and dismantling. They didn't like the price and instead got an old boy to have a go with a bow saw. He fell off a ladder onto the pavement and died. The very next day we got a call to say _they_ had tried to cut the tree down and realised they couldn't do it, luckily we'd already heard about the incident and refused to touch it..
I'm a few decades shy of being sixty years old and my rule is that I won't get higher on a ladder than I am tall. It's not that I'm afraid of heights, it's that the risk just isn't worth it for me. I'm happy to pay trained and experienced professionals to do anything up high; hiring someone to clean the gutters is cheap compared to falling and breaking a bone or worse.
One of my cousins has made more money than he can handle out of ladders. He's a retired radiologist although I think they're called imagists these days. Thanks for the wonderful videos.
6:27 what kind of nailing pattern is that? How wide is the double layer on those tamkos and shouldn't the nails be within an inch of the ends then uniformly spaced in between?
I was wondering the same. If the wind blows like it does where I'm from those 50 year shingles are gonna last 6 months. Especially the ones that only got nailed on the left side
You're going to have so many blow offs... Everyone was nailing way above the nail line almost the entire video and not even following the proper nail pattern. There is a white strip on your shingles for a reason. There is about a cm space along that white nail line where the shingle is two layers thick, basically the width of the head of a roofing nail. If you nail above that line, you only get the single layer which the nail can easily pop out of. I've been shingling for well over 10 years and I've had to replace so many roofs just because of people using lazy nailing habits in attempt to do a job faster. Hats off to the guy working at 13:00 in the video though. That's the nailing pattern you're looking for.
Red Neckerson If you want the best job, hand nailing is superior to using guns. Labor is more intensive, but you don’t have nails penetrating through the shingles or some not set all the way.let’s be honest, with multiple guns being used and the compressor cycling on and off the pressure to the guns is going to vary. Roofers don’t want to be setting nails that don’t go in enough , so the compromise is excess pressure.
@@blueslurker1 Or you can just have a small holding tank on the roof that stores pressure. Sort of like a capacitor for electronics which makes it less of a load on the main power source. Makes for equalized pressure. As for hand nailing... I would actually like to complete jobs in a reasonable amount of time and hand nailing is not the way to do that. Do you still drive a horse and buggy around? No. Obviously it's a motor vehicle because times change and technologies improve. It's really not hard to hit the nail line. I do it for 10 hours everyday haha. If you nail too high and miss, shoot another nail in the right spot. Pretty simple. People just don't bother.
That's why I exclusively use Malarkey shingles. They have a 2" nail zone to nail through both laminated sections of shingle. So you can absolutely fly nailing them down with that huge nailing zone. And they have great adhesive. If you use 6 nails per shingle you receive an enhanced wind warranty of 130MPH. Only shingles i have used the last 10 years.
@@Artuso720 if you use the highest spot on that two inch nail line your shingles will flap in the wind. Best to keep them as close to the bottom without leaving a shiner. That's my experience with doing repairs on Malarkey shingles with that two inch nail line
I fell down a wet plywood ramp about 6 feet tall that had no stops on it, onto my outstretched arm onto the dirt 15 years ago. I had a 2nd degree sprained shoulder joint. Could not use my arm or shoulder for about 2-3 months. Took about 1 year to heal.
Nice to see you feature a roof job. I am a roofing contractor and I have been a fan of your show for a few years now. Roof top deliveries cost $200 in my area, I have always humped them up for the most part. I am only 36 and I am paying for it. In negotiations to buy a steel panel roll forming machine from another contractor, hopefully it comes through and my shingle days will be behind me. I will strictly do portable roll forming and install of 24 gauge double field lock standing seam, best roof money can buy. I might be the only one to say it, but I do enjoy slamming on some shingles. You can get into a great rhythm and the hours feel like minutes. It's just the tear-off, dry-in, and staging, getting yourself and material on a roof that beat a guy up over the years.
I've said for a long time roofing is one of the only jobs I'm not interested in DIY (Concrete being the other.) This video made it look so easy I was thinking "Maybe it wouldn't be so bad..." LOL. Glad you brought be back to my senses.
Ladder safety IS important. My grandfather, GOD rest his soul, fell off a ladder when doing some painting. He hit his head on the concrete. He got up, cleaned up the mess. went home and collapsed onto the kitchen floor. He was rushed to the hospital and during his brain surgery he died. The doctor said that with so much brain damage he didn't see how Bob could get up off the concrete much less clean up the mess and drive home. So when it comes to getting onto my roof several times a year to clean out the gutters I ALWAYS practice ladder safety out of respect for the tool and its operational characteristics. I sure do miss grampa. That was 1971.
@@steveredenbaugh9058 If it holds more than 10 nails at a time, doesn't have a trigger disconnect, has a pistol style grip, or comes in a scary black color, the People's Republic of California considers it an "assault nail rifle" and bans it, right?
So much knowledge on this videos it is just amazing and perhaps this project is only the beginning of something even bigger ... as a tradesman i can tell that if you dont learn something out of this .... oo boy ... you have to be really "slow" ... but God loves slow people too .... thank you for so much effort and work thank you
“You don’t have to drive every nail to get the satisfaction of building something.” This is something I need to learn and struggle with every day. I have a large dislike of professional services due to bad experiences and the large cost.
Wow, so much wrong...nails shot above the nail line, improper horizontal nail placement, nails overdriven, incorrect nail quantity and consistency(I saw as few as 3 nails per shingle in places), no drip edge flashing on rake edge (yes it's code in Oregon), no asphalt sheet or ice & water shield at roof transitions (yes, Oregon code), no valley linings, no roof drains where roof slope does not continue over the eve, improper roof anchor installation, and a lot that we probably didn't see. And Tamko shingles are one of the worst you can buy! Possibly worse than IKO. I've installed thousands of squares of shingles, that wouldn't be an acceptable roof installation.
Anon, I have to agree with your comment over all, I was just as confused as you about the flashing, drip edge, and no ice and water membrane. Tamco is a low grade shingle like you said, and most importantly is the nail line being perfect. Most positive comments are from those who probably know nothing about roofing with asphalt shingles.
I’m amazed by the different building codes throughout the country.here I n south Florida you’re required to overkill the felt underlayment paper with galvanized nail and tabs . Still rips right off in a hurricane. I tell inspectors all the time it doesn’t matter how many anchor points you installed on the roof. When Mother Nature wants to blow your house down nothing will stop her.
A friend of the family lost his ring finger falling off a ladder when his wedding ring got snagged... Might have slowed him down enough to save him from a worse injury. He seems to enjoy showing off his stump to the kids, but I bet he enjoyed having all 10 digits more!
You know what sets your videos above everybody else's your narrative skills plus craft men skills keep up the good work I'm learning a lot thanks to you👍
Congrats on the sponsorship. I'll be happy to get your follow up thoughts several years from now. I've been skeptical believing an asphalt roof can last 50 years. My old houses lasted about 100 years with their original slate roofs, so I felt obligated to stick with that. The dealer tried to sell me on these asphalt architectural shingles, but I wouldn't budge.
I also want to add that I absolutely hate it when some people (sometimes fellow tradesmen) treat roofing like easy unskilled labor. It's difficult dangerous work that not only requires extensive knowledge of construction, but constant awareness of your surroundings. It's simply not a job that just anyone can do. It's very satisfying to see you giving them the respect they deserve in this video.
they will fail here in miami dade county south florida but again different weather conditions and our building codes are subject to what works best around here so a minimum of six nails ( ring shank ) per sheet of shingle is mandatory in order to comply with code.
calevel florida interesting to hear that it must b ring shank. They did a study on ring shank going into OSB and they say that the penetration of the nail destroys the wood in which it pierced and overall a smooth shank actually had the better grip when it came to OSB. Is it required by code for u guys to have a synthetic underlayment as well?
I have Tamko and Roseburg Roofing on my list to check out when we build our home on the North Umpqua near Roseburg (about 20 miles from the build in this video). Thanks for the lead.
Don’t use either. Tamko has a reputation for warranty work and that roof job was not good. I suspect if Scott knew enough about roofing he’d be finding a new crew. Lots of bad habits, nail patterns, valley work, no water and ice. Cheap hacks that aren’t even working fast enough to excuse the sloppy work.
Tamko is my favorite shingle. That is all I used when I was building multi family housing. ($120 M in projects over 2 years) I put the 30 year Tamko weather-wood on my house and I have the best roof on my street!
Can you go into detail on why those shingles in particular? And different options you went through too? Tile, slate, metal, quick pros and cons etc? Sorry if you've done this and I've missed it, but some extra info and even tech specs on the chosen shingle would be awesome. Thanks!
I was told by the Steeplejack who came and worked on my chimneys when they needed repairing that the majority of falls from ladders occur when descending the ladder and having to cross the join on a sectional ladder.
I was up on my roof this weekend because our home builder and the contractors they used were bottom of the barrel. I am going to have to redo the entire chimney chase, including flashing, shingles, siding .... everything. House was built in '13 ... by hacks.
Asphalt is such a $ grab, such a waste. Will be replaced in 10-15 years, more than likely. $10K+ literally washed down the drain 2-3 times before the homeowner dies. We refuse to install shingles for this reason. Just a waste for the customer and it's back breaking work - if they want it, they can shop elsewhere. But great job anyway, always love the videos!
I'm from Canada and our "metal" roofing products are Galv-Alum as actual Steel roofing is 2-3 times the price. It is inferior to asphalt shingles in every way in our climate. The metal is cheap and deteriorates quickly in the sun and under our heavy snow loads. It also always causes many issues in the winter time with snow and ice run-off. The shingles they are installing in this video are 50 year shingles. Make sure you listen and understand the products before you make public comments. Though they may not be for you, I've installed over 300 roofs in my time and would never recommend a metal roof to any of my customers.
Great video. Tanko is just about 30 minutes from me they are a good company. Know a man that was a boss up there for a long time. They make some good roofing.
Got to be drip edge on the gables, that is standard just about everywhere. I would have liked to see ice & water guard on that whole roof instead of felt. Also would have liked to see the ice and water or felt in this case run long up the wall and tacked a foot or so up from the top of the step flashing.
There is none. This isn't roofed to code. drip edge should be installed up the rake edge and over top the underlayment. A wood strip no longer conforms to code, it needs to be a metal flashing.
I fell off a 1 story roof (standard height roof with a 3 foot crawlspace) 20 years ago and did not seriously hurt myself, just some minor bruising. I was sitting on the edge of the roof cleaning out the gutters, when I thought I was sitting on the roof and I was sitting on the gutter area and it collapsed and I fell onto some plastic garbage cans which cushioned my fall. I was lucky I did not hit the edge of a 6 foot fence, some concrete stairs or hit the ground. I could have been seriously injured or killed.
I thought the shingle "commercial" was well done and totally appropriate. The company contributed a huge cost item and should be thanked. EC didn't shill or BS. It was a straight thanks, some words on what was given, some information on how it's used and off we went. Well done.
