Installing Five Rarely Used Vintage Operating Systems Rapidfire (ft. Cray mainframes)

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An operating system is an essential piece of software that every computer uses to control its base functions. Most of us are familiar with Windows, macOS, and/or Linux, but there are some so obscure that most watching will see them first hand. For example, did you know Microsoft released a copy of Windows for Legacy PCs? Or that Apple simply slapped the Platinum look and feel on NeXTstep, and callled it Mac OS X Server 1.0?
In this video, we're going to install five operating systems that are so obscure, you've probably never heard of them before. They are, in order:
* Dell UNIX - gunkies.org/wiki/Dell_UNIX)
* Windows for Legacy PCs - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...
* Mac OS X Server 1.0 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_...
* Sprite - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_...)
* Windows 11 for ARM
* COS
Music used in order from RU-vid Creator Library:
* Jeremy Blake - Heaven and Hell
* Huma-Huma - From Russia With Love
* Patrick Patrikios - The Awakening
* DivKid - Icelandic Arpeggios
* Kevin MacLeod - Five Armies
* Jimena Contreras - Hopeless
* Huma-Huma - Hydra

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@sonic2000gr 4 месяца назад

I am really (unpleasantly) surprised that a machine as iconic and important as the Cray has been lost in time. At least some brave soul managed to recover parts of it.

@zh84 4 месяца назад

Sad, and extraordinary. The Cray X-MP was famously used to create the graphics for "The Last Starfighter". All the ray-tracing code and the models that it was fed must once have existed, and no doubt now is gone forever.

@sundhaug92 4 месяца назад

@@zh84 Hopefully it's still one some tape somewhere in a closet

@zh84 4 месяца назад

@@sundhaug92 "The Last Starfighter" computer graphics were made by a company called Digital Productions, who also worked on "2010" and "Labyrinth". They were bought out in 1986 by a company which went bankrupt in 1987, so heaven knows what became of their intellectual property after that. I can discover only that they did it all in FORTRAN, which given the state of the art at the time is not surprising.

@ReallyBadJuJu 4 месяца назад

I've been a Cray nerd since I read Jurassic Park as a kid. I own a small piece of a board an IC from the Cray 1 originally installed at Lawrence Livermore. They've always been fascinating machines to me.

@thej3799 4 месяца назад

@@ReallyBadJuJuI have a cray 1 piece in a mini museum. Pretty cool 😎

@The_Boctor 4 месяца назад

I hope that whoever stuck "D E L L" in that X root menu got a raise.

@michaelpelley2815 4 месяца назад

Floppy and tape installs - yep, back when I didn't have gray hair. I managed to read a whole BUNCH of novels during installs (and collected overtime) 🙂

@NextMomentOnEarth 4 месяца назад

I'm a little jealous

@pikaporeon 4 месяца назад

My grandfather worked for Control Data for like 35years love seeing CDC and Cray stuff

@artofnoise5013 4 месяца назад

Was I the only one surprised and humored to see MSN Messenger included in the XP install? They stripped it down to the bare essentials but still included MSN Messenger. Oh, Microsoft!

@LonelySpaceDetective 4 месяца назад

Being able to PM your buddies was _really_ important for businesses that were still running NT4/98, okay??????????????

@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 4 месяца назад

It was a part of the system components probably they forgot to took it out

@MegaDevice3000 4 месяца назад

That was an optional component that could be turned off during initial installation

@Kwpolska 4 месяца назад

Windows FLP is not actually the final release of the Windows XP codebase, that would be Windows XP Embedded POSReady 2009. That release actually got patches longer than plain XP did, so many people applied a registry hack to convince Windows Update they’re on that version.

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

I thought POSReady was a service pack to the existing XP Embedded vs. an actual new cut.

@Kwpolska 4 месяца назад

@@NCommander The original XP embedded was a DIY build-your-own-Windows thing, POSReady was a normal installable OS and its installer experience was similar to FLP’s.

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

That might be worth a look in and of itself, I wasn't aware of that.

@cameramaker 2 месяца назад

I still have and use XP in a VM (qemu/kvm) with word/excel 2003. It had that POSready registry patch, to pull updates a bit longer. This is my "SunPCi" equivalent for office and accounting work, I never got along with more modern office releases with the ribbon UI, nor I could migrate to other office tools - the best I have is google sheets, but for DOC files I need a total control over the creation process (not that it has no bugs, but I know all the quirks by now - no surprises and pulling my hair). The rendering is decent, using MacType on it. The Firefox is a bit struggling with modern sites though.

@TravellingTARDIS 4 месяца назад

Not too sure if you know this but Apple did release beta versions of Mac OS X Server under the name Rhapsody that not only supported PowerPC but also x86 computers too. iirc it's one of the only times Apple made an operating system for typical desktop computers and pre dates Apple's transition to Intel processors by around 5 years.

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

That's essentially just a continuation of NeXTstep for x86, but yeah, it was.

@AlexandruVoda 4 месяца назад

Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PC was awesome. A decade ago I set up a Pentium 3 with it for text editing with AbiWord for my grandma. The system worked like a champ for years. Very light and very stable. I think it still works but it's been sitting in the attic for a long time.

@lvl90dru1d 4 месяца назад

but can it work on 66 Mhz 486 system?

@AlexandruVoda 4 месяца назад

@@lvl90dru1d IDK, probably not. Official minimum requirement are Pentium 233 MHz and 64 MB of RAM. But maybe it can be persuaded to go lower than that. Edit: apparently people got XP on a 486 so in that case it should be possible to do so with Win FLP.

@lvl90dru1d 4 месяца назад

@@AlexandruVoda thanks

@gregorykhvatsky7668 4 месяца назад

I've been daily driving FLP for a pretty long time, as I had the EEE PC 701 as my main laptop. It was actually pretty popular among people who used these laptops, at least in Russia. I moved to better laptops and proper Windows / Linux not too long after though lol.

@leetaeryeo5269 4 месяца назад

The Cray segment reminds me of the MVS Turnkey System emulator that emulates an IBM System/370 machine. I’ve only messed around a little bit, but the sheer difference in how you interact with the mainframe system vs modern computers is wild

@killingtimeitself 4 месяца назад

the entire philosophy of OS design originated from the idea of "batch computing" most likely because it was annoying, time consuming and took up a lot of system time. There's a good bit of material out there and OS's are quite complicated these days, it's quite the technological innovation really.

@mieszkogulinski168 25 дней назад

@@killingtimeitself for supercomputing applications, the idea of "submit a job to be processed" still makes sense

@killingtimeitself 25 дней назад

@@mieszkogulinski168 kind of, except for the fact that batch computing is very much "you are doing this one task" which was fine back in the days of punch cards, because you would just hand the operator a stack of punch cards, and they would feed them, running the program. But ever since remote terminals became a thing, it doesn't make any sense, even for super computers, because with an OS level breakout, you can dynamically allocate the supercomputer to any number of tasks. Without having to start or stop them.

@AlejodelosReyes 4 месяца назад

Its amazing how many pieces of software were out there. Being able to see all of this from the screen of a cell phone is amazing in many ways by itself. Great job!!

@douro20 4 месяца назад

SUPER-UX and its cousin ESOS are likely to be lost to history. SUPER-UX was a UNIX variant used on NEC's SX line of vector supercomputers up until Linux was adopted. ESOS was the operating system for the Earth Simulator and the Earth Simulator 2. Many older Cray systems- and this included the CDC 6600 and 7600- ran the operating system in the I/O processors to allow the main processor to be free to work on computing tasks. This was also true of many CDC CYBER systems.

@oscargoldman85 4 месяца назад

The hyper floppy install reminds me of installing OS2 in 1993. I believe it was 103 disks all up, which at $149 retail was cheaper than buying that many floppies, and those IBM ones were good ones..

@tcpnetworks 4 месяца назад

We were dealing with Crays for a few years at the department I worked at. They were a shit of a thing to work with. The VMS machines were a peach comparitively.

@salan3 4 месяца назад

So good to see you back.

@truckerallikatuk 4 месяца назад

At my college, my class built a very basic MUD in the Harris minicomputer JCL. Plusses and minuses. Plus: That game got popular and got its own user ID via the sysops. Negative: This was because it was the last year for the Harris, which was scrapped the next year.

@mndodd 4 месяца назад

Awesome that you tried SPRITE. I remember running it on Sun and DEC hardware back in the mid 90s.

@ArchaeanDragon 4 месяца назад

It is almost like Cray borrowed a lot from CDC's NOS. I remember some of that. That would be a fun project. Bringing back the Cyber Network Operating Systems (NOS and NOS/VE). That was a cool OS and machine series.

@durrcodurr 4 месяца назад

Whenever you have a tape in hand that was created on a UNIX machine, you can safely assume it has been created with TAR, the Tape ARchiver. So, the only thing you need to do in theory is to read it with a TAR program on any platform (provided of course, you have a tape drive that can read the tape and you have drivers for that tape drive on some host OS). I used TAR even on OS/2 for making backups. Tape drives were also common on MS-DOS.

@jhj22 4 месяца назад

17:40 I just realised, that in Max Payne 1, when you have to disable Nicole Horne's office security system, you have to destroy Cray super-computers.

@readmorebooksidiots 4 месяца назад

I wonder if the guy who did that Cray recovery contacted the Chippewa Falls Museum Of Industry that collected a bunch of Cray stuff to see if they have any tapes

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

Do you have more information on this? I haven't heard that before.

@readmorebooksidiots 4 месяца назад

I guess my reply got filtered because it has a link in it, it's a small volunteer run museum in Seymour Cray's hometown that collected a bunch of his notes and hardware examples

@readmorebooksidiots 4 месяца назад

I have no idea if it's a glitch or if my replies are being removed, I'm really sorry

@killingtimeitself 4 месяца назад

the simple fact that COS is terribly unfriendly to the user, and not existing in any modern capacity is quite poetic

@kallistene40 4 месяца назад

Hey, hey ! ncommander is back !! yay ! And with more pain and suffering than ever, obviously ! :)

@warthunder1969 4 месяца назад

I love watching his streams

@creeperlv6668 4 месяца назад

For Windows 11 on Arm64 part. I actually have 2 ARM devices that natively runs Windows 11. I used UUP Dump to create Windows 11 ISO. One device is a notebook from Xiaomi, that device actually uses UEFI and Windows 11 preinstalled. The other is an 855 phone that uses WoA Project that their Mu implementation to replace stock Android. To be honest, currently, only EAC protected and Vulkan games aren't working. Even Warcraft 2 is playable!

@SidneyCritic 4 месяца назад

32 + 43 floppies, ouch. Isn't there something like a Floppy Emu that you can copy the disks too first.

@legiran9564 4 месяца назад

About the Cray software. So this is what extinction feels like.

@amigalemming 4 месяца назад

Still it enjoys copyright protection until 70 years after the last Cray engineer passes away.

@Graham_Rule 4 месяца назад

I had to port some C software to Unicos and was instantly made aware that word addressing wasn't the same as byte addressing that I'd got used to. Lots of assumptions needed revisited.

@tekvax01 4 месяца назад

X11 needs the x86config file (at least in the early Linux kernel and Slackware distro days. You need to figure out all of the dot pitch, and H and V timing parameters to be entered. I did it a bunch of times back in the mid-90s, but have forgotten how most of it works now... Might need to pull all the old readmes! but you probably knew that already... :)

@andycristea 4 месяца назад

Out of space on the last disk... damn! Welcome back! Edit: I used to daily WinFLP on main PC (dual p3 @ 1ghz). The only thing missing that I needed was tape drive support.

@nanothrill7171 4 месяца назад

this makes me wonder what's on the CDC disk pack i have in the garage

@douro20 4 месяца назад

Dell UNIX was sold with their PowerLine Workstations like the elusive 433DE+, which oddly took a CPU which plugged into a mezzanine card on one side of the mainboard, and had a 4-character green alphanumeric LED display for system status.

@sjzara 4 месяца назад

I run Windows 11 for ARM using VMWare player on MacOS Silicon. There are hacks to get around the “connect to Network” issue, as you show. It didn’t crash, and has been very stable, and runs x32 and x64 windows apps seamlessly.

@JackBender 4 месяца назад

+1 for UNICOS in a future video!

@OctoomyYTOfficial 4 месяца назад

btw some computers in box86 supports tape. Mostly the 8086 and 8088 computers.

@D0Samp 4 месяца назад

The homecomputer-style cassette deck of the IBM PC and Jr. are meant to use with ROM BASIC and unrelated to actual magnetic tape drives.

@singletona082 4 месяца назад

I actually used windows FLP back in the day in my Pentium 3 back in the day. I forget what if any problems it had but it was after id given Linux a few test spins and I remember it being an overall fun time.

@SD-xu3mz 4 месяца назад

"An effort to remove unnecessary bloat" *MSN messenger is running*

@slowlymakingsmoke 3 месяца назад

Enjoyed the Cray section a lot. I doubt a lot of this has been lost. They will most likely be locked behind company, military, scientific and other propriety archives. The nature of these machines meant most software was most likely custom code and generalised computing outside of the OS would be rare.

@DOSdaze 4 месяца назад

I was just looking at your channel last night and hoping you were doing well. Made my day to see another video come up! 😃

@jamescarson578 4 месяца назад

Recall installing various versions of AT&T Unix that used a similar number of disks. Oracle RDBMS was another enthusiastic diskette user. Building BSD Unix on a PDP was also lots and lots of fun, configuring and messing with the various setups of hardware that were available. BSD on Vaxen was relatively simple.

@Blzut3 2 месяца назад

Microsoft has actually started to offer prebuilt ARM ISOs for MSDN subscribers. The 23H2 IoT Enterprise image (which allows either Enterprise or IoT Enterprise to be installed) is available and works fine under Parallels. I believe I've heard there's another program Microsoft has that has offered ARM images (beyond Insider), but only used MSDN myself. Of course as other commenters have noted Parallels has streamlined the process of installing from public sources for awhile now so mostly just trivia that the ISOs exist.

@DenebTM 4 месяца назад

nice to see a new video from you! always a treat

@CaptTerrific 4 месяца назад

14:45 dude where were you just 3 weeks ago when I had this same exact issue with my supermicro board? that was HOURS of research :D

@kanalnamn 4 месяца назад

The Dell disks... they could all be treated as block devices, and if they are you could just smack the images together into one large image and run tar/cpio on that.

@emiliocespedes3685 4 месяца назад

New video! Thank you very much! Hope you're doing well, glad to see you back 💞

@swordofkings128 4 месяца назад

Love all your vids! Happy to see a new one, thanks for posting!

@georgH 4 месяца назад

COS was the epitome of user friendliness :)

@georgH 4 месяца назад

Unexpected and yet AMAZING video from NCommander! I'm speechless, thank you, thank you, thank you!

@SnepperStepTV 4 месяца назад

I actually genuinely want to reconstruct a Cray to use off to the side on a Unix workstation network. They just don't make Computer Graphics, art, and CAD software like that for modern computers. I love everything about these old systems.

@Raketenclub 4 месяца назад

oh yeah i remember installings unixes from scsi tape and even boot from tape. that was neat.

@drmick2506 4 месяца назад

Yes! New NCommander video! Thanks.

@kami-kun_va 4 месяца назад

Omg NCommander is back! It's been a whole year what happened?

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

I've been livestreaming but uh, its been bad. I have a summary on Patreon.

@pavelvrasskii1359 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the new video!

@danielktdoranie 4 месяца назад

Amiga, Atari, Apple, Microsoft, and now Dell… all had a Unix System V release but all killed it pretty quickly, why?

@tschak909 4 месяца назад

The C in COS actually stands for "Chippewa"

@teekay_1 4 месяца назад

Really great job all around. I used to fuss with putting old versions of windows into VMs. It was great fun, but after it's all said and done, you realize you have something that isn't terribly functional. It would be great to create all of these OS's as VM's so everybody could play with them on their own PCs.

@Madman-8287 4 месяца назад

Maybe you could try looking at beta versions of Windows? There’s some interesting stuff floating around in those like the fact early versions of Chicago have the unused ability to use explorer tabs the Windows 8 start screen esque activity centers from Neptune and beta ME or the variety of weird things from longhorn like Microsoft MAX or WinFS (which interestingly near the end got a separate installable beta release for Windows XP sp2 before being cancelled)

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

It's been on the list for awhile, but life has been beating me up as of late.

@sadmac356 4 месяца назад

Really hope backup tapes are found

@fra4455 4 месяца назад

Great video✌

@djksfhakhaks 4 месяца назад

Any virtualization that can forward a device through can support a tape drive. Just forward the scsi card in and boom

@scooter4196 4 месяца назад

Welcome back my guy!

@mnoxman 4 месяца назад

This sounds remarkably like SCO install around the early 90s.

@tekvax01 4 месяца назад

very impressive sir!

@mjdxp5688 4 месяца назад

Very interesting video!

@TheErador 4 месяца назад

@4:50 now that's a smart customisation there Dell...

@kwisin1337 4 месяца назад

I loved flpc. Was fun to play with.

@Veso266 4 месяца назад

You are still alive yey

@calebconnolly7807 4 месяца назад

so happy to see a new video from you! i guess the windows 11 on arm64 stuff sucks at least partially because of the Qualcomm exclusivity agreement...

@tonyblairgaming 4 месяца назад

the legend returns

@i_lost_my_bagel 4 месяца назад

Great I was going to watch this and then go to sleep but now I'll probably be up for 4 more hours reading about COS

@LesKingBNE 4 месяца назад

I love this!

@bartlomiejm0 4 месяца назад

Windows FLP installer was taken from Longhorn

@asanjuas 4 месяца назад

Five vintage operating systems using legacy? What? I put a notification to watch this stream.

@AlsGeekLab 4 месяца назад

Would be great to have a table of contents if you could!

@rkars1 4 месяца назад

Wow, I genuinely though I was fucking dreaming, new NC video 🎉

@kathrynmarks9419 4 месяца назад

Welcome back.

@le9038 4 месяца назад

7:05 "many bits and pieces from Windows such as fast user switching in an effort to remove unnecessary bloat." Whaaaaat??? No way! Microsoft knew there was unnecessary bloat in their operating system???

@davidew98 4 месяца назад

I'm surprised you chose that method to install windows 11 arm. I have a mac m1 running Parallels that automatically installs Windows 11 arm and it runs beautifully! I have also worked on throwing every x86 app I can at it and it works!

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

I had UTM handy, and it said it supported Windows 11 ...

@davidew98 4 месяца назад

@@NCommander weird thing is Parallels pulls down an actual install iso from Microsoft site

@theburlapchap3644 3 месяца назад

The Cray Story is really sad, like a dog waiting for it's owner that never came back.

@tivvy2vs21 3 месяца назад

Nice video, i might enjoy that discord server

@xmlthegreat 4 месяца назад

Hi I don't know how you process your voice over but it seems to me that your noise gate is a bit too agressive. A dB lower might give better results, right now it just sounds as though your voice is being clipped off on certain syllables.

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

This isn't my usual setup so it might take some time to work out the settings. Thanks.

@alabamacajun7791 4 месяца назад

Was looking for the 1 foot (1 ft.) Cray. 💡

@zc32-official 4 месяца назад

4:11 Future livestream idea: Try porting OAM (sysadm) from System V to Linux. It is a part of the UNIX SVR4 source code.

@jaut-76 4 месяца назад

I have a few CDC disk packs which may contain cray software and am currently restoring a suitable drive. Unfortunately the disk pack likely to have a OS is crashed and isn't recoverable

@yjk_ch 4 месяца назад

4:11 So can OAM be described as Dell's 'We have SMIT at home'? (though idk if it predates IBM SMIT, actually)

@tankgrrl 4 месяца назад

UNIX PCs of this era would include DOS so that they could market a PC that could run DOS apps but also natively talk to their UNIX networks. So DOS would run on top and UNIX would handle the interoperability. AT&T also did this with their UNX PC line.

@andresbravo2003 3 месяца назад

Gosh, I knew Windows Fundamentals really meant for me.

@Roxor128 4 месяца назад

I was surprised to hear that there was a lack of emulated tape drives in PC emulators, especially given the prevalence of them in emulators for various home computers, and the extensive track-record of tape being used for backups. Wonder if there's any possibility for reusing code from those to make virtual PC tape drives?

@D0Samp 4 месяца назад

Home computers recording data as encoded audio on compact cassettes has little to do with actual magnetic tape data storage. Even with modern hypervisors, the best we have is generic SCSI passthrough (maybe even over iSCSI) of physical tape hardware.

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

Tape drives were never super standardized on 90s x86. There's a bunch of floppy controlled based ones, and others that were SCSI based. However, most emulators for x86 mostly deal w/ Windows and DOS where tapes just weren't common.

@Roxor128 4 месяца назад

@@NCommander Ah, lack of standardisation. That explains a lot! Which of the 50 different parallel-port tape drives are you going to emulate? I suppose the SCSI ones might be a bit better, but there was probably still a lot of variation. Oh, and let's not forget the outright proprietary ones that would have come with their own ISA controller card. Ouch.

@danmar007 3 месяца назад

43 disks. That makes me feel better about installing the Windows 95 Preview from 27 floppies!! Luckily I was getting paid to do it! When I was done with that, I installed Slackware to compare the two. :)

@weepingscorpion8739 4 месяца назад

Very interesting. I'm kinda tempted to make a USB stick for a GoTek with the Dell UNIX OS and try to install it on actual hardware. Though 1) I don't really know the first thing about UNIX and 2) do I want the potential hassle? I dunno, but could be an experience either way.

@rascalwind 2 месяца назад

those are the best days every.

@matthewpaulsen1344 4 месяца назад

I'd love to see a demo of GRiD OS

@rururururuj 4 месяца назад

Too late for Ireland but looking forward to watching after

@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 4 месяца назад

I saw info about wffp about around when I was trying to get back in use my old pc, but I never tried nor the thin client version. It would be interesting to try this os on real hardware except sadly not the cray one. It's sad how those mainframes went from innovation to vanish

@knot126 4 месяца назад

A new N video :D

@lucyinchat 4 месяца назад

Strangely, My Favorite nonunix os, 9front, didn’t make the cut

@NicholasHubbard 4 месяца назад

I actually have used the Windows 11 for ARM64 on my Mac machine. It’s definitely hard to install if you choose UTM, but I elected to use Parallels instead, because it’s actually a supported way of running it. The performance is genuinely not bad, and I now own a unique Windows 11 Pro for ARM64 product key. Additionally, Parallels fully automates the annoying download and install process for you, making the installation completely painless. Regarding the experience: it’s not bad! Performance is acceptable, but I haven’t the opportunity to test any unusual apps on it. The x86 compatibility layer is much better too, since it finally supports 64 bit apps. Overall: 6/10. Pretty good experience running Windows only apps on my M1 Pro MacBook.

@NCommander 4 месяца назад

That was my general experience once I actually got it going. I mostly included it because it fit the theme of everything I was doing.

@LunaticEdit 3 месяца назад

I run Windows for Arm64 on the daily on my M2 Pro Mac mini using parallels. It runs like a dream. I can run a ton of x86 and x64 games on it, and it runs things like visual studio _faster_ than my high end windows work laptop.

@mstandish 4 месяца назад

Did you happen to save these hard drive images?

@njspencer79 4 месяца назад

Hmm Parallels on my Mac will automatically download the ISO and install Windows 11 ARM64. It does so in a few clicks you just add the key or buy license from MS store.