Intel’s In A Bad Spot 

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Lisa Su is rubbing her hands together at this exact moment

Intel's new slogan. Intel - if your cpu doesnt work, its your fault

If you went back 10 years and told people intel cpus would be crashing and struggling to keep pace with AMD, i don't think they would believe it

You are wrong, i7 13700k and 14700k have instability issues too

Imagine you're a indie game dev and suddenly out of the blue your engine randomly crashes or there are inexplicable performance issues cropping up exclusively on a select number of developer or testing machines but not on others in identical scenarios with identical code. That's what happened to some clients of mine. They called me in to help diagnose the issues with their programmers .. turns out there was neither an issue with the code nor their toolchain. I've honestly never seen such a wide spread of seemilingly unrelated issues that could all be fixed instantly by a CPU replacement 🙄

Intel's issue has got be from a bad production for the 13th and 14th gen, most likely their testing and fault tolerance from their manufacturing has dropped to ensure that they don't lose their market position and spot as the "Best/Fastest Gaming CPU". They already lost in terms of efficiency, thermals and Socket support. Intel kinda has a bad track record on owning up to their mistakes. At this point they are probably riding from their high horse where AMD flopped in the Bulldozer Era.

A replacement can't fix this problem since it shares the same design flaw. They need to bump people up to the 15th gen when it comes out and count their losses.

With Intel instability problem, you still did not cover the fact that these issues are also happening on the W680 server motherboards which are made for stability in mind, they are not meant for overclocking and boosting behaviour at all, they are meant for providing as stable of an experience as possible and even there, these CPUs are still unstable. At this point, it seems like this is really an architectural problem with the 13th-14th gen (they share the same architecture) because Wendell from Level1Techs also said that 12th gen is not suffering from this issue. Brian from Tech YES City had been talking about these issues since when the 13th gen was first launched and its really starting to look like he was really onto something even in his first video on this topic.

Asus, Samsung, Zotac, Intel.... I mean, there is a very bad corporate trend happening lately : The compagnies that worked so hard to gain a trusty reputation for their brand just gave up for a short term profit. Its like if they just lost long time perspective. Which should teach us a lesson : speculation and shareholding are bad for long term business.

Warranty in America blows my mind. How can they just deny it?!? It's broken because of a fault, so you have to fix it.

Intel's answer has always been "more mhz" and muscle your way through. It isn't working anymore.

Wendell's testing is wild. Looking back at 90 days worth of rolling logs from vendors, seeing the number of errors is over 1000+ on the I9 vs less than 20 on any AMD CPU. That's a wild margin. If you're a vendor and you are using either of these for a game server, that's not anything you can deal with. You shouldn't be using these for gameservers; but there is no way you can take the financial loss. You'd go with a 7950X or anything else to avoid the loss.

ATTENTION!! My 14700kf is having same severe issues too. (vram errors, crashes every 2 minutes or every 2 hours depending on the game, even chrome errors, blue screens) Thank you for your attention

It feels like Intel is trying to push the issues aside until they release their new chips.

Not the NUHVADA

Never forget how predatory Intel corporation was when it had the top of the hill position.

I presume Tesla couldn't get the rights to the name "Johnny Cabs"... 😂 #TotalRecall

I brought this up in a video in 2023, people couldn't believe there were issues. Happy to see people like Wendell and Tech Yes talking about this.

Steve at Gamers nexus hinted he is going to come out with a piece soon on the Intel chips and that it is a LOT worse than Intel has led everyone to believe, he hinted that the issue is unfixable. So we may end up with another Intel FOOF bug where they have to shitcan the whole line and if Intel doesn't refund the customers? i could see a huge class action lawsuit in their future. I know for the foreseeable future I'll be sticking with AMD for all my builds because if Intel is shafting users with RMA denials and blaming the mobo makers on this what other issues do their 13th and 14th gen chips have?

It used to be that _Intel Inside_ was a source of confidence. Now it feels like that horror scene: _Intel system calls are coming from inside of the house_

Be me: buys budget intel cpu (12100). Height of 30 series being scalped. upgrades to 14900k. ;(

Huh the car that removed the lidar from its cars. Setting its AI self-driving back years. Isn’t ready for robot taxi’s. Who could’ve seen this coming. :(

The problem with saying that the i7s are fine, is that we dont have the data to really know that. Depending in what it really is, it could be that the workstation setups are most impacted due to their consistent use, then the end user i9 because they are stressed. We could be in the verge of i7s starting to show the problem after more time being stressed, we just dont know. Until intel comes out and presents some facts I i would be suspicious of all 13th and 14th gen.

They need to make new revisions of the bad CPUs and send those out.

Gaming Vegas Sphere with 360 Surround Sound 😂😂

Note: For 13-14th K issues i7 13700K is affected too. I already sent my CPU to Intel and the RMA was not denied. They sending me a new one now since they concluded that it was CPU problem. This probably much rarer than i9 BUT it still happens, if anyone of you start having problem and Intel 's bios settings don't work send them an rma ticket.

So glad I went with an AMD CPU when I bought my new system.

To be honest, the i9, i7, etc, and now the ultra 9, ultra 7, etc, are redundant. I was never saying those anyway. It's not like we have i7 14900k so we need that part to differentiate it from a lower powered i5 14900k... So just don't bother saying the i (ultra) part altogether.

I work in the IT industry, sometimes its not the fact that somethings not ready, its more the red-line😅😭 caused by paperwork that delays a lot of things

Cult 285k? This whole AI thing sounds like a cult anyway.

I switched to AMD since the first gen Ryzen and never looked back.

Why does it feel like Intel corporation must have hired on former Boeing executives?

Intel has been making comsumer 8(P)-core cpus for what a decade, near two decades now? (aside from the 10900K) It's like they forget how to make them lol

You realize we the "non-Americans" are not enjoying breakfast when we see This video 😂?

13700 and 14700 having issues too.

This is absolutely awful for Intel. Holy moly

Thanks to all the talk about issues with intel processors I finally fixed crashing on my PC which has been happening to me for years by slightly underclocking my 13900k and setting max throttling temp to 90 instead of 100, haven't noticed much of a change in performance if any but it completely got rid of the daily crashes. Still this should in no way be on the consumers to fix these issues and these stability issues have been unacceptable!

As someone who lives in Las Vegas, I feel concerned that our orb may suddenly come face to face with the blue screen of death.

My Las Vegas hotel had a great view of the sphere from the rooms on one side. The other side has a great view of the airport. Before The Sphere, the airport side was the most popular. Now The Sphere side is the most popular among guests. I hung out in my friends room and was able to watch The Sphere for a few hours. It's amazing. The content was never ending and there were few repeats. The view was slightly obscured by another hotel but that made it all the impressive thanks to the scale it provided.

AMD ftw. I run a 5600 with a 6700xt. Fairly inexpensive system that does exactly what I need it to do.

Glad I learned about these issues now. I was about to build a workstation with an i9.

I have a 13900k and had two crashes. Game performance has been ok 99% of the time with some stutter, which could be Windows 11. I guess I have been lucky.

Stockholders don't seem to give a crap about any of the issues with the Intel CPUs. Stock is going up like we haven't seen in a while! 😂

AMD in a couple of days: Hold my beer 🍺

my 14600k also has this issues

There are some reports on some sites that i7 and i5s are also having issues. If that's true, this isn't good for Intel at all.

Thank you for clarifying the issues roughly pertains to the I-9 section and not fully the I-7. I just recent bought an I-7 14700kf and Ive just now have been seeing all this information about how it is prone to bending because of the heat as well as this recent news. I am aware is still has a chance but it feels a little better knowing that its less of one.

0:25 awhhh you said it correctly. Thank you :D

It is affecting i7s according to the stats, just not as fast.

The display stuff for nvidia is not following existing display trends. 4k is 3840x2160 we agree right? If we do 4k displays in a 2x2 array, this would give us a resolution of 7680x4320, so that is 8k not 16k. 16k would have to be 16 4k panels in a 4x4 array.

He tried REALLY hard not to say I really don't need a virus when he was saying he doesn't need a AMD GPU in his personal rig.

This is why I tend to buy a gen or 2 behind, that and clearance deals. But this one covers TWO gens.

It blows my mind Intel is actively driving the market to their competition.

Intel are in a good long term position. There's new fab machines will be picking up momentum.

*Hears voice, closes vid in 2 seconds*

Didn't Linus do a 16k gaming rig with like two Nvidia cards?

I'm glad the 3770k was the last Intel chip I've bought.

At the studio we use AMD CPUs cause they're a bit more efficient on power.

The problem is: the CPU are NOT getting ENOUGH voltages! The Power AC and DC load-line settings in the Bios are changing the voltages that the CPU gets, thus not providing enough voltages at certain frequencies under high loads. I can run the 12 gen CPU on Load line calibration LLC 1 fine, but the 14 gen needs LLC 8 to achieve higher frequencies because there is too much V droop at lower Load-line settings, and the CPU does not get enough voltages under higher loads.. 14 gen needs more power and voltages under high loads.. So Intel and Motherboard manufacturers just need to fix their Load line CPU Microcode and Bios settings ... And it is cool that intel lets us change the load-line settings so that we can under-volt the CPU, but if the under-volt is too aggressive crashes, errors, or instability happens. i tested this, and even the "out of video Memory" error was not present when i just was sending a bit more voltage to the CPU, but it was present if i was sending to little voltage. Apps and games were not starting or crashing with too little voltages, but not crashing anymore with a bit more..

So who is going to raid the orb with me like it's National Treasure 2024

7800x3d

Intel did the big brain thing. pretending they still have the best CPUs on the market they basically did a Boeing and are selling chips they know are faulty.

I have an Asus Z790 Hero motherboard with an Intel 13900K processor. After applying Intel's recommended BIOS updates, virtual machines on VMware became almost unusable. Everything moves extremely jerkily. Also in multithreading, performance dropped by 11%. Intel no longer exists for me.

I keep thinking for the last 5 years that the next GPU generation will be the same performance as last gen but with half the power draw....PLEEEASE!

I've been having crashes on my i7 12700f if my computer is on for too long. I was suspecting it was my 4090 gpu so I switched it back to my 1080ti recently. Currently letting my computer run and waiting to see if I'm still getting crashes.

But can the sphere run Crysis?

14700k and even 13700k is affected, just to a lesser degree.

Intel has been making comsumer 8(P)-core cpus for what a decade, near two decades now? (aside from the 10900K) It's like they forget how to make them lol.

I noticed the microcenter near me no longer has bundles for sale for 13 and 14 series intel processors for a few months now. Probably has something to do with them failing.

Hi guys I got a 13900k on opening retail release week in Canada. I don't have my lot number or whatever they call it at hand at the moment but I have had no stability issues even at 5.8G all P core e cores on at 4.1 all core. Perhaps I was lucky. I do use an arctic liquid frzr 420mm AIO?

14700k rock solid. Pass occt right now with 0.080 undervolt.

Hmmm... Imagine playing games on the sphere...

Are people completely unaware of Intel's long history of anti-consumer behavior??? Why are you still giving them your money? 😢

can't replace cause the whole lot is Bugged ~ till solutions are out then RMA can continue

yay for having older hardware

that cort guitar looks siick

"Intel is committed to making sure all customers who have or are currently experiencing instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors are supported in the exchange process. We stand behind our products, and in the coming days we will be sharing more details on two-year extended warranty support for our boxed Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen desktop processors."

Listen here I may be able to drive.I'm really good at driving in a parking lot and parking.lol

If it's any consolation, in many countries here in Asia they go by YY/MM/DD so July 12 is fine. And the Philippines follows the American date formatting so it's July 12, 2024 as well.

I have the 13700k so far no issues. My next cpu is AMD.

Possibly they are denying RMA because they don't have enough good binning for replacements.

Did you see the Autonomous Driving Indycar at Goodwood festival of speed? drove the lap just fine, it is possible.

12th of July 🤤 - sweeeeeeeet

I got frostpunk 1 with the steam summer sale and it's quickly become one of my favorite games

intel crashing on the W series motherboards prove that the whole is the Mobo fault is a lie. The Chip has a hardware issue and there is degradation going on likely due to voltage.

I just got a Dell Vostro 3520. It would benefit from undervolting (the thermal throttling is really bad otherwise), but of course that was disabled because apparently you have a security vulnerability by being able to undervolt. Intel chips are simply peak, you all don't understand

Intel is about to have a massive layoff at the end of July

When I first started building PCs, I've used all non-Intel stuff (AMDs + a smattering of Cyrix), coz I could not afford the Intel premium. Many many AMD systems later and now it's so good to see AMD on top, and not as a "value underdog". I hope this will continue for a long long time.

So Bret, does Reese know your talking mad crap in his driving skills? Lol

Just goes to show, even when you're top dog today, doesn't mean that you're gonna be top dog tomorrow ... ain't life strange :D

really makes me rethink buying a i7 14700 if this is a normal thing for that model. i have very little money to spend on pc parts so at 400 bucks it's not something i can pay for twice.

Side note. Reese drives on the left side of the road

Apple doged a cannon ball

Can all that computing power in the dome run Cyberpunk at 60fps?

I limited my 13900K at 215W, 5.5ghz p cores, vcore 1.35, max 1.38 , from the first day I bought it and I didn't had any problems, the temps are very good

the bigest issue is us us laptop intel users i have the i9 13980hx no way to adjust anything in bios or get a bios update i do have some issues in some games

who else would be able to power that huge sphere display other than Nvidia.....So glad I bought a 12900KF this year and skipped 13t and 14th gen

As a game developer, I'm having similar issues with my i9-10900K. On my older intel machines or AMD machines I have no issues whatsoever.

Intel is replacing my 14900ks. It wasn't too hard, they just ask me to try the bios settings first, sent a few pics, and now I'm waiting on the warranty team to finalize a cross-shipping method. Mine has a defect on the IHS lid, though. It has a really tiny bubble that popped up over time, like a pin-head piece of metal sticking out. I'm not sure if it cause my 2 turbo boost max cores to fry themseleves. System works fine with those cores disabled, even plays games fine still with the old cpu. Using it to type this comment rn.