Intel and AMD are in TROUBLE - Qualcomm plans to dominate the PC market 

Yeah I dont think this is going to amount to anything. See videos like this rather frequently. I remember when Apple launched the M1, Intel and AMD were going to be over in a year or two and X86 gone. They're still here.

As much as I'd like to see useful ARM desktops and/or laptops, I unfortunately doubt Qualcomm will provide a desirable solution to that. Qualcomm tends to be as closed, proprietary and integrated as Apple. Expect the same kind of non-modular SoCs, no external GPU support, no sockets, probably soldered RAM in all configurations, and so on. I wouldn't even be surprised if the bootloaders are locked.

Few years ago Qualcomm made Server CPU's that were on par with Xeon... Then fired the team.. Then bought Nuvia for Billions... While they had a World Class CPU Design team in house 😅😅😅😅

My imediate reaction to this is, how is this helping the consumer? The answer is it isn't. If Qualcomm was designing this architecture around Open Source, then the consumer would have options that would tie the big tech corp to a base line that is always in the consumers interest, however it's not. Instead we have MS, again. This company is like a giant evil octopus with tenticals in every pie. I really do fear that the future will only look bright on the surface, while the foundations are being shifted in the background so the masses don't see it. It's the typical frog in the pan situation.

They had the opportunity to enter the discrete GPU market if they wanted the last two years.

In the early 90s IBM was competing against the burgeoning MS Windows with their OS/2. The main strategy to gain larger user share and attract more developers to the platform was to make OS/2 run all Windows apps as good as possible, thus reducing the transition friction. The unintended consequence of that strategy was that there wasn't' really any compelling motivation for the software developers to spend double the time and resources supporting two OS platforms, if their existing code base was already running on OS/2 out-of-the-box. This also didn't compel the users themselves to make the transition from Windows, since there was little reason to do so, if everything already worked well on what they already got used with. As a consequence the OS/2 project survived (for a while) only in few niche market applications and Windows got to rule the world. Now I don't believe history repeats itself, but it defiantly tends to rhyme in mysterious ways. The x86 has survived many murder attempts, including from Intel on several counts and here we are, all rocking the same old patched, extended and upgraded x86 horse.

Oh, its Qualcomm this year. Its almost every year i hear the "The new x86 killer" thing. For like 20 years...

The Windows ecosystem doesn't attract me but I already run a PineBook Pro running Linux. ARM or RISC-V? Yes, please! Maybe something else lighter and more trim in the future to give my Linux system a boost!

Qualcomm Windows on ARM devices are very few and very expensive while noticeably behind x86 Intel and AMD solutions. Not to mention software problems and more locked down hardware platforms (problems getting Linux running on some devices, soldered RAM, and some even storage).

High end PC gamers will not switch to any CPU with either a different instruction set or a built-in GPU, and definitely not both. As an example, nothing Apple makes can come anywhere close for gaming to a high end *86 PC with a top of the line NVIDIA graphics card, and that's with games in each case targeting the respective native instruction set. When you add in backwards compatibility (a lot of people have large Steam libraries, for example) alternative instruction sets are dead in the water.

Various companies and industry analysts have been saying the Year of the Arm Desktop is right around the corner for 5+ years. I wish they'd shut up and actually do it. Otherwise RISC-V is going to beat them to the PC market.

They need to make a leap forward in performance for it to matter. No one is going to buy a CPU that benchmarks games 60% lower because it is translating x86. The consumer really strongly pays attention to reviewer-influencers these days. If they say the price/performance is bad, the sales crater. It will probably take Qualcomm a lot of iterations to get it right, and Intel and AMD will have a response. Perhaps chiplet designs with both native ARM and native x86 cores.

For me it's not if x86 will die in the future, it is very much when. And given the number of times it has seemed imminent then not happened, I'm at I'll believe it when I see it. If ARM succeeds in this soon. Cool I guess. I'd much rather see a switch to RISC-V to make processor competition take a massive leap in the pro-consumer aspect.

I honestly see ARm as Jobs did, a temporary solution as Risc-V matures. A huge issue is like Arm has already shown with increasing their ISA lease costs, a 3rd party still controls the product. As for AMD, they have and still make ARM chips for other applications than user computing and remember their arm laptops?

Its gonna be interesting times in the next few years. Previously no one was interested in Window on Arm. Even Qualcomm's efforts were mostly recycled phone chips. They weren't confident Microsoft were serious about WoA or if it was another Windows RT. But their upcoming Oryon will finally have desktop class specs (8+4 instead of 4+4). Also MediaTek are also interested in WoA now too, which will shake up the market too. Especially at the low end and now they've got a partnership with Nvidia for iGPUs. Although that being said, we shouldn't count out Intel or AMD yet. The software divide is still a massive gap, which unfortunately we are relying on Microsoft and software companies

As long as there would be some decent legacy support, I wouldn't mind switching. It would be fantastic for laptops, although I'm 99% a desktop user.

I still wait for a common ARM-specified desktop platform that all of their licensees compete on (just as back in the Socket 7 days) with a whole range of motherboard designs from micro-ATX to E-ATX from known brands. On the hardware side, the transition is a chance to introduce the SFF-TA-1002 connector and other innovations which would make x86-based PCs with PCIe look like motherboards from the 90s today in terms of capabilities.

I don't think Intel or AMD are in trouble, there is nothing stopping them doing an Arm's chip or even a hybrid chip. What surprises me is that it's taking so long for Arm's chipmakers to enter the PC space as an alternative for what AMD, Intel and Nvidia are offering on cpu's and gpu's, and there is a big opening on the gpu market, especially at the low and mid-end, with how greedy AMD and Nvidia have become. The PC is so successful because it's open and nothing holds it back, AMD and Nvidia are doing the PC harm in the gpu market and to a less degree, cpu market, that is inviting rivals to enter that space and usually it takes time, but AMD and Nvidia are more or less handing it on a plate, especially in the gpu market, now it's just a matter of when that rivals show up to eat their lunch, assuming Intel doesn't do it in the gpu market, but we've not seen any signs of real change in the gpu market since Intel entered the arena, so clearly, more rivals are needing in the PC space. Unfortunately for AMD, they could pay the highest price here, they don't have the mindshare or market share, and yet they are acting as if they do with how greedy they've become, they are primed to being squeezed by Nvidia at the high end gpu market, maybe even ARM's at the high and low end, Intel and ARM's could squeeze AMD at the low and high end over the long run. The truth is, AMD needs to build a better reputation for its self, it needs market and mindshare and it's really doing a poor job of it, especially in the gpu market, their gpu prices are poor, and they only look better because Nvidia is really getting greedy, but they have the mind and market share and can get away with it more than AMD, whereas AMD needs to be more aggressive on pricing if it's to win us over, something they did in the cpu market in the early Ryzen days but lately have got greedy there which is helping Intel out, as for the gpu market, their market share keeps shrinking, how far does it have to shrink before they wake up. At the end of the day, AMD is the little guy in the dgpu market, they should be prioritizing market and mind share over profit, a lot more profit will come about once you win users over, something AMD isn't doing even thought Nvidia is really messing up, which indicates how poor AMD is doing in the dgpu market when Nvidia is more or less handing it on a plate but AMD isn't taking advantage of them, and if AMD isn't careful, Intel is going to swoop in at the low and mid-end, AMD will then get squeezed by Intel and Nvidia at the low and high end, and maybe even ARM's if they actually enter the race.

How does the ARM lawsuit against Qualcomm impact these plans?

Never going to happen, not until both Intel and AMD decide to ditch x86 and its instructions, even though both of them would love to do that, they are not doing it, since there is A LOT of stuff used daily that is dependent on x86 instructions and that would also mean inviting new competition on PC market if they ditched it. Not even going to mention how many people would simply ignore new CPU maker as long as x86 exists because of the compatibility issues, and none of the new companies making CPU`s could include those instructions because Intel and AMD are the only right holders to them, which even any of them two could lose, if someone bought either Intel or AMD, that would automatically mean loss of license to those instructions, then only one company would be able to do it, and everyone would choose that one company, because like I said, compatibility, you can still run stuff from late 80s, 90s, 2000s on modern CPU`s just fine, not even going to mention gamers, which are the largest consumers, that would never give up on compatibility since that means losing the ability to run older games.

Both AMD and Intel use an x86 to RISC like microcode translation layer of some sort as an optimisation. What happens if they can support instructions other than x86? Say a RISC ISA like ARM or RISC5...

No way ... current CPU generations have already shown that ARM loses it's efficiency edge when it comes to high performance. So there's nothing that could compensate for the immense disadvantage of losing compatibility to a huge library of software from decades without any emulation needed.

x86 isn't going anywhere we see ARM improvement a lot cuz we went from 40nm to 5 within 10 years now ARM won't have big leap in performance anymore

There are interesting times, indeed. Just a couple of questions: 1.- You previously stated that ARM would have a transitional role, because de future aims to RISC-V. Intel is betting on that one, aiming to leap-frog the ARM transition. Any news on that front? 2.- Linux-based system is still a small fraction of the desktop pie, but devices like the Steam Deck are giving it a good momentum. Even now, there are Linux distros that run on ARM chips better than what MS have now... not to mention the server space where the AWS Graviton 2 has given the Linux croud a good workbench to adapt to ARM. Do you see the Linux landscape change or grow in this transition? 3.- Do you see a space where X86, ARM and RISC-V coexist at the same time? Will we see some WINE-based trnalation layers for every platform in irder to have cross-compatible apps?

Let's see. Intel has already pproposed X86S architecture development. And if Intel makes it liscensable, llike Arm, which they most likely are going to, then I bet Arm's market capture strategy will die, as X86 has a tonn of software written and well-optimized for itself. RiscV may be used only by the largest firms having the capability to spend on developing their own chipsets. But for anyone else, it makes more sense to go with liscensable X86S rather than liscensable Arm or RiscV designs.

No. We have been hearing x86 is dying for more than a decade. I think it's not going anywhere. CPU based on x86 will be getting various accelerators, the only segment where I can see ARM (and maybe RISC-V) is extreme battery life laptops.

They simply will not by the mere fact that there isn’t a great amount of software for these chips and emulation layers only bring you to a certain extent a viable usage of these tools. Also not a lot of companies seem to be interested in moving over there software stack..

i have really loved my qualcomm chips on my androids i think their architecture scaled up to desktop would provide a great competitor and i hope youre right

TBH, a lot of people inside the industry have been ticked off by arm increasing their ip prices and are looking at other solutions, be it either their own custom or risc v. currently they take 2% cut of the entire product value, and isn't contact based, which is quite ridiculous cuz if u include even a barebones cortex m0 processor like in $0.05 microcontrollers, they still take 2% of the money cut from that. Arm is gonna be used for accelerators for a while but all the chip manufacturers in the designs & verification conferences always point how it's gonna last for 2-3 years at max because even risc v is catching up, with it's tooling having improved greatly & support from major companies too. Plus with the scalability, like in bl808 chip, it can be used quite a lot. High performance is still tbd as SiFive is showing but there are already hute amount of small cores in parallel at a low wattage (dont remember the name or specs at all, but was like 100+ cores with 25W)

Didn't you make this exact same story like 3-4 years ago?

I fear ARM coming to desktop would mean abandoning universal installer images as currently made possible by x86 and UEFI. There is ARM SystemReady, previously ServerReady, that specifies baseline requirements and enables universal installer images. But most ARM chips currently floating around in mobile phones, SBCs and other devices don't follow any of these certifications and need custom boot images crafted for every single chip and device tree combination.

there are rumors that even Arm is considering to join the Arm race (pun intended) and "build" CPU (of course, virtually, they'll still be fabless). But also their steering to a new business model seems to drive companies away to RISC-V ISA. However, it won't be easy, having so much invested in the Arm ISA, currently, but since Apple managed to transition in just a few years, it might be something that can be pulled off in face of a greedy Arm. Because they are also greedy :)

Nope I will stick with x86

Until at least 20% of the Laptops for sale on the market are competitive ARM systems I don't see any change happening in the consumer space. Server, sure, power density has been an issue for years, so getting similar performance from a 1U ARM servers compares to a 2-3U Intel Server will make a big difference in running costs alone. The whole linux ecosystem is already ported to ARM for many years. Regular consumer software, think the office/accounting/legacy software running everywhere today will take at least a decade to rewrite and port to ARM and until there is at least somewhat competitive hardware there is very little motivation for any suppliert to rewrite, let alone consider rewriting their code to ARM.

Wake me up when I can actually do my work on an ARM CPU. I don't just mean office, I mean all these CRM and Engineering software. Also real games, not just mobile phone game. I guess that might be in 20 years time.

Can you imagine a Snapdragon Oryon based phone in 2025. Originally ships with Android. Has Display Port out. And can potentially run Windows or Linux natively when rooted to do so.

RISC-V will get there sooner than Qualcomm's ARM processors

Wait for the AMD Ryzen Mobile 7040 chips as well as Intel's Meteor Lake. These will make ARM chips seem inefficient. Also, why would a $3,500 VR headset from Apple explode with software developers? We've seen ARM on Windows before, and we know how badly that worked out. ARM's future will be nothing good for the users.

What about backwards compatibility?

im hearing about that from 15 years

If microsoft forces people to move to win 11 , linux could become a great contender!

Windows need a similar thing to the Rosetta translation layer.

Same story as Windows RT but with much better hardware. People don't buy cause only good SoC are the top end that are found in really expensive laptops with no apps and with no adoption nobody makes native ARM apps. Is like trying to overhaul the market only with the top end.

So if it's not Wintel anymore but WARM or ARMdows. Is it AMtel or IntAMelD? IntAMelD vs ARMdows!

I can totally see Apple’s A/VR headset being super useful for work. You could wear it around in the office… it would be goofy af at first, but we’d get used to it, and then just go about our (work)days. You now have extra virtual screens you can see on top of your real monitors. So much productivity. If you wanna cyberpunk/sci-if it, add the worlds most comfortable massage-enabled, ergonomically designed, medically & chiropractor approved, cost optimized, lazy-boy style chairs, and you can work while you’re comfy; and if you need to stretch, the screen comes with you. It’s black mirror y’all!

Great video

The fact that AMD and Intel are able to make such a flawed ISA as x86 competitive on efficiency with Apple Silicon and much better on performance (if they ignore efficiency) tells me that if the PC space switches to ARM, they will be just fine. AMD and Intel will simply switch to making the best ARM chips.

the laptops you mention will be expensive af with shitty arm gpus that barely run asphalt and pubg on lowest at 720p 20fps, real power users will remain on x86 for a very long time, gamers wont even look at those things if there is a company willing to abandon x86 if necessary is amd, ceo herself said that arm doesnt yet have the core processing power to replace a x86 core on servers to me that means they have been testing and evaluating the possibility of a sinking ship and a plan b intel will eventually try something with arm or with risc v to make a hybrid design i bet

good we need more players in the market these prices are crazy right now rtx 4090 should be 800 dollars 7900xtx at the most 700 dollars

The market is the market for phones and games. If Qualcomm can provide powerful chips for phones and games, then it will certainly be able to provide chips for the computer, in cooperation with Microsoft and Windows 11.

This ARM takeover has been a thing for a long time now, but it's different this time around. First we have AMD and Intel charging vast amounts for their CISC CPUs - likely several hundred percent to over 1000 percent markups on the hardware, so there's a huge opening for competition. AMD/Intel's top offerings (paired with vid cards) are at or near the max power draw feasible for PCs, so increasing performance by adding to the electric bill is coming to an end. Microsoft has had Windows for ARM for about 6 years, but never had a well known/respected partner like Qualcomm, so the adoption of Windows on ARM should increase with these new hardware offerings. Another huge difference is Apple's ARM offerings. They have proven that ARM CPUs can work extremely well in the desktop (and soon workstation) space - there's no more "ARM could...", we know it can. The last item that kind of seals the deal is the fact that Nvidia saw this coming, and tried to purchase ARM. If they had been allowed to do this, ARM offerings would have been drastically more expensive, and had a much tougher time entering into the desktop/workstation market. Now we just need MS to make an X86 emulator that's efficient enough to run legacy apps (GAMES...oh yeah and other apps) while devs learn to master RISC.

@4:50 I agree that the battery isn't that. But the form factor sure is hell is. And it sounds like the displays are.

I recently replaced my 2019 Intel i7 MacBook Pro 13-inch with a M2 MacBook Pro 13-inch and jump in performance and power efficiency was amazing. I also use a Chromebook with a MediaTek Kompanio 1380 ARM processor which offers excellent performance for Chrome OS, Android and Linux apps. The desktop PC I use every day is a Microsoft Dev Kit 2023 with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx gen 3 processor which also works well when running native arm64 apps (i.e. a Microsoft Surface Pro 9 LTE in a box but with 32GB RAM and 512GB NVMe PCIe4 SSD). Even the Intel x64 emulation is better than I expected. The other great characteristic of these three devices is they all sip power and run silently, i.e. no intrusive fan noise in the case of the MacBook Pro and Microsoft Dev kit, and Chromebook doesn't have or need a fan. Windows 11 ARM works well, but what frustrates me the most with the Qualcomm 8cx Gen 3 processor is poor graphics driver support. The current Windows driver only supports DirectX 12. OpenGL / CL is via software compatibility layer supporting a much older OpenGL & CL versions, and there is no Vulkan support. So, though I could envisage a future world with ARM powered Windows Laptops and Desktops competing with the likes of Apple, if Microsoft and Qualcomm want to be taken seriously in this space, they need to significantly improve their graphics driver support. Qualcomm already do this for their Android and Chrome OS devices, so why can't they do it for their Windows devices?

I'm very keen on seeing mobile and desktop architecture converge, it opens up so much possibilities.

New Intel and AMD APUs will be super powerful next year according to "Moores Law is dead" on RU-vid.

Intel has the foundries. They are best setup for the long run

a short but sweet video; not too short but not too long. is there anything about Linux support for these ARM platforms? Also what is a @4:02 "non-instruction set CPU"? That sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Microsoft backed Nokia and Windows Phone... Backing isn't much if you can't use the ARM processors with all the apps you want to use. I imagine many of us PC users have good old games we'd want to play today. Or some "legacy" app that won't get an ARM update. So unless the ARM solution can run x86 apps and games, they wont' make much of a dent in the market. Not for a long time at least. Intel and AMD are definitely not in trouble yet. If anything spells worries on the horizon, it's RISC V for the old giants. And I think they're also part of the RISC V consortium.

x86 has been a dead man walking for some time. Especially since Apple's M series SoCs. You say AMD and Intel will be in trouble. They already have their own strategies for this eventuality, no? Why didn't you speak to AMD's upcoming APUs? Intel will be focused on leapfrogging TSMC and moving forward with their 1.8 node production next year, where they'd actually be providing fab for nVidia, AMD, and even Qualcomm in competition with TSMC. They'll of course still be focused on releasing their own IP, but they're expanding their fabrication services as a matter of US national security. Where was the discussion about that? Instead, you focused on Qualcomm. Sorry, but you've raised serious questions and then provided a joke of an analysis. You're better than this.

I actually think you're quite wrong about the Vision Pro on everything but the price. The path that Apple is starting down coupled with the fact that its Apple doing it is going to end up creating this market, both for themselves and for their competitors. The launch of the Vision Pro is the vest thing that could have happened for Meta and everyone else trying to make this a thing, it gives them a kind of legitimacy that they would NEVER have reached on their own. It will take a couple of years but I truly believe this will be a solid product category making tens of billions in revenue within 5 years.

A few points after reading the comments: 1. Many claimed ARM would replace x86. They weren't wrong, just premature. 2. This time it's different. Now ARM can power a desktop without needing a bulky tower. 3. New form factors will create new eras of computing. 4. Current phones already have enough power to run a desktop. 5. AMD and Intel are doing a valiant job keeping x86 alive. They probably have another 10-15 years left. 6. ARM's secret is performance-per-watt. When x86's headroom (heat generation) is reached, ARM will be able to easily take the crown.

Finally.. im getting tired for all these years Duopoly of Intel and AMD in CPU markets and AMD & Nvidia in GPU markets. It's time we have a revolution in PC markets like what we have seen in smartphone markets.

This has been looming over for a long time. With the advancements in code translators, hopefully legacy support will be good enough for power user's software. And we're seeing all the big players betting on SOCs, looks like the shake-up is finally starting to materialise.

I would prefer replacement of x86 by RISC-V in Personal Computing, we could have many more manufacturers of processors. ARM is not open source.

This will probably be an apocalypse for anyone who wants to install whatever OS they want on their devices

I prefer compatibility over all else. If a CPU does not support x86-64 it will not be in my PC.

Yknow what's more efficient and faster than x86 emulation? Running x86 natively. Yknow who already has gpu drivers in windows? Amd, intel, and nvidia They've been making claims like this for over a decade now, and it has never happened. Now nothing meaningful has changed, but suddenly arm is the future again? Smells like bullshit. At best, arm can hope to carve out a small niche in chromebooks, sbcs with windows embedded, and a couple linux devices.

will there ever see another Socket 7 situation again? I hope so!

Didn't you make the same video 3 years ago. ARM is great but so far every windows for ARM has failed I also think this isn't the first time Qualcomm made its intentions to take pc market share clear yet everytime it doesn't really seem to amount anything.

Adreno 740 GPU already had 18 cores running at 680mhz on TSMC N4P node. It scores 3700 in 3DMARK WILDLIFE EXTREME and uses 8.3 watts in the same using LPDDR5 8533 at 64bit bus. With this GPU IP, 24 core GPU with 3 times clocks on laptops would already be matching 3050 desktop with a GDDR6 17000 at 128 bit bus. Although RDNA 2 NAVI 23 if manufactured on the same N4P node would also score over 17k in wildlife extreme under 70watt. Not to mention RDNA3 is an performance/watt downgrade and only performs better due to 5nm advantage.

Microsoft's last arm consumer systems were..... Well lets be generous and say not very usable...we had several at work and they were all replaced with x86 laptops or ipads in a very short time .... Time will tell if this is rinse and repeat...

As I love the idea of RISC-V cpus becoming more mainstream and in the desktop market, I think qualcomm have a long way to go and like before this wont be a game changer for microsoft. The thinkpard with ARM cpu in was kind of lack lust and lately seeing Apple managing to make Windows run better on ARM based chips than Microsoft is kind of ironic. I am also sure that I read somewhere intel is ditching x86 and will emulate it on certain cores etc. I'd like to see AR become more into play with qualcomm, but lets face it. The locked ecosystem apple has allows full control and optimisation and its going to take some times before other companies catch up. However I think RISC-V is the way forward and it does appear now that CICS based CPUs do all the processing just to pump out a RISC instruction any way.

Intel+AMD will probably build RISC V cores to compete with ARM.

"x86 is over!" is the cpu version of that deshevelled guy standing on a soap box and screaming "the end is neeeeaaarrrr!" sorry, but qualcomm has about as much chance at "dominating the pc market" as microsoft has of dominating mobile phones.

I'm more interested in an Adreno GPU seeing how well those snapdragon 8 gen 2 SOC can run game at 15 watt.

laptop? maybe PC? I don't think so. One of the reason of buying PC than laptop is modularity. It means you can upgrade parts of your PC. If Qualcomm is soldeeing their SoC to the board... it might be DoA

Both Intel and AMD have more than a decade of experience developing ARM based products. It's mostly chipset and pci controllers, but I'm sure both of them have high performance ARM core designs hidden away. Since the latest x86 low power designs scale so well for mobile devices (looking at all of the x86 gaming handhelds like the steamdeck) I'm not sure x86 is done yet. I'd be more concerned about Microsoft's Windows becoming irrelevant.

I worry this would locks us all down on Windows. I run Linux on my own computer, so I'd not be too happy to see "WinComm" succeed

not in our time.

I sill use my old x58 systems. Not much changed for me

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Intel and AMD make the overwhelming majority of their income from churning out 40-year-old microcontroller and glue chip designs, not from high-end consumer tech. Those products are sold mainly for prestige, aimed less at sales and more at their stock price. The x86 CPU market is only abut 2% of Intel's income, and maybe 5% for AMD. Hell, given that the top-tier consumer chips are sold at a loss, their bottom line would probably improve if the x86 market died. Their market valuation is what would take a hit, not their income.

Integrated SOCs aren't going to work for the desktop market especially. I know Apple did it, but let's be real, their high end uses multiple chips bridged together and cannot compete with just one. The problem with doing it this way is that it's nothing like AMDs multiple chip designs, where things the the I/O, cache, and cores can be separate and the performance loss is minimal. This is more like dual GPU or CPUs. The fact that Apple does it this way is partly due to the reticle limit for silicone chips, and also partly because ARM would lose a major advantage in terms of energy efficiency if they were to make everything separate. IMO, ARM is going to have a hard time in the desktop space, and will likely coexist with x86 in the laptop space and in enterprise.

Oh, it surely will... First time I hear this - I was in my teens, late 80s... DEC Alpha1 and stuff... RISC rules, will rule them all; because RISC cool, others are not... Applies not just to x86, but to IBM and whathaveyou for 100,000,000g - no matter, RISC takes it in 4 years... It repeats in 5-years cycle since then, one time I ask a friend who is deep into that stuff (CPU architecture, not ruling) - he says the x86 is RISC in aspects that matter already, also being true to ARM being CISC. Never matter, I couldn't understand what he meant either. Yes, NUVIA - it's out there for a reasonable while, isn't it? This is its second wave of ruling them all, not the first, then... I'll believe it when I see it - my days of blind belief in wonder-architectures are far behind me.

Other than Android, what is going to run on it? Qualcomm's lackluster perfomance with Windows on ARM made Microsoft fall facedown in the poop tench with their foray into non x86 notebooks. Microsoft may not be highly enthused about another go at it with them. However, the scariest thing ever might be Microsoft teaming up with a consumer version of Nvidia's Grace APU. That'd be like Sauron getting a hold of The One Ring again and wielding it. All would despair before the dark might of MordorSoft.

My pc will be vintage 😢

It’ll never happen. The apps that are productive and run the world in every industry are all on x86/x64 intel amd. Real gaming happens on amd intel and the previous productive and good stuff are all on Windows. All of “apps” on ARM (snapshit and m1m2 or whatever) are little shit trinket apps for mobile entertainment more than anything else. ARM isn’t that power savings either when you consider its weak processing power and aggressive power savings it’s devices and os supporters configure on it. That crap is dimming and sleeping and turning off it’s networking and other things every moment it gets. Really annoying.

Snapdragon? who are they? never heard of them.

very much doubt it

Finally new competition

Your videos are legit. I wish I could get most of my tech news from this channel.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years, people will come back saying "this video aged well"

even with M2 like chips from qualcomm and an emulation layer from Microsoft, there will still be space for x86.

What I don't fully understand about the x86 CISC versus ARM RISC is that both types of instruction sets were seen as having their own pros and cons. Nowadays, it seems that everything can be better and more power-efficient with RISC CPUs. How come? Is (x86) CISC more generally useful for huge data processing or something?

X86 is very stable. ARM ain't replace x86 ever

Maybe ARM will eventually replace x86 but it hasn't happened yet.

You crazy, x86 is not going anywhere

M$ tried again and again enter to the arm ecosystem and failed every time. They are company, that is rich, because they are rich and could buyout startups with potentials. They cannot develop something revolutionary by themself. They can't ever develop good of windows version anymore. Qualcomm could have great visions and great products, but software today is everything and without compatibility with software developed for 20 years or more for x86, then project will have very rough times. For most companies it is simply to expensive to change every program they use.

Amazing video! I would love to see that happen, for real ;)

dispite i dont like MS, but this is a good move to speed up cpu developement

Microsoft Windows has been originally designed for CISC architecture, so its performance on ARM will always be poor