► TIMESTAMPS / TOC 00:00 Intro 01:26 Specs and basics 05:27 Testing setup 06:39 Benchmarks! 18:31 Benchmark results summary 21:52 Overclocking!! 24:10 Closing thoughts Also, correction -- several mistakes in the chart at 2:11. The 3900X is listed with 24 cores and 48 threads. This is incorrect; the 3900X has 12 cores and 24 threads. The default base memory speed for the 10900K is 2933, the 8700K is an i7 (not an i9), and TSMC fabs the AMD chips but not Intel's. 😅 TY to everyone who commented on these errors, that chart was one of the last things I made for this video and it was pretty late at night. Thanks for watching everyone!
Nice Test. Nice to see increase of performance in comparison to 9900K. AMD CPUs are at now almost 1 year old, I'm curious for the comparison against Ryzen 4000 series.
You always have the most comprehensive and easy to understand format. Thanks! I'm waiting to see what the 4th Gen Ryzen's bring later this year, but I'm definitely doing an AMD build this time. I haven't upgraded since 2015 (Intel, 4790K), but I honestly haven't had a need too, either. However, that's going to change this year and everything AMD is offering fits my needs compared to Intel. Especially, the price per compute performance. I game, but I'd rather have more cores and better efficiency, overall. Plus, some of the upcoming games I plan to play... Like the new Flight Simulator... Are going to leverage cores more than traditional games. Thus, multithread compute power is what I need versus raw speed.
@Pauls Hardware I am very interested in the non-k i9 cpu this time around. I saw in their slide that it does 5.2 all core turbo? If that is true then it should be an awesome gaming CPU also and cost $70 less than both the 10900k and same as what 3900x goes for now. Can you cover that?
@@GameRetro lol maybe. I just feel like if you believe in your content and you know it's good why "sell out". You or I would still watch his videos without the cringy thumbnails. Kyle's getting there too.
@@ClanBez I think he just tries to put what he needs to get out there and does it. No gimmicks no flashy camera angles. I don't need all that to keep me interested. I watch loads of informative videos from science, home remodel, tech, and random curiosities. At some point, in my opinion, it gets old. Like everyone still talking about Linus's beard and him dropping stuff. I guess I'm just getting old lol I am 32.
@@GameRetro I come from Linus' review. He really messed up. To me, he seemed like he was shilling for Intel. Didn't even include a 3950X and claimed 20% difference. Didn't mention cooler specs and game settings. And this came after his "questionable" video about why he loves Intel.
@@xynostasos9022 I haven't even watched it yet. It just comes down to it Linus is a business man and looks out what's best for his business. From my perspective he should have not made it grow so big where he constantly needs sponsorship to support every single channel where people are questioning his integrity, but it's his business and have no say what he does.
Huge compliment on the setup of your charts here. Clearly marked (relevant) data that shows the important information. You don't have to look at the graph, then the legend, back at the graph again to still not be quite sure what you're looking at. I noticed that back in the 3100,3300X video aswell. Excelent work!!!
I unsubscribed from Linus last night...did you see the horrific video last night? He tried to defend Intel treating it's greens like utter cr@p...just because AMD embarrased him yesterday..
@@robertoliver8289 ain't what? you mean he wasn't annoyed that after defending AMD and getting slated for it, AMD then turned round and supported B450 anyway? He completely overlooked the fact Intel are stripping the company of Blues and treat Greens like proverbial dirt....
Theres no reason to have loyalty to either amd or intel, they both just want your money end of story. Go with whichever product meets your requirements at your given budget.
Yeah I know. People seem to want to absolutely destroy Intel where even if they made a processor with ten times the potency of any AMD product people would just ignore it.
@@AdiiS ya but i dont use a single "single-core" application. I had to return my 9900k too before cause it was literlaly 10 mins behind a cheaper 3900x in rendering videos for college :'(
@@AdiiS I had a 1080ti too, and since its not the fastest gpu out there, whenever i play games or soemthing, there was barely any diff. Sigh intel what r u doinggg
Thanks for a great review Paul! I bought the Asus ROG Z490 Maximus XII Hero today along with an Intel I7-10700K for an upgrade my Son wanted to do, since he is still running DDR3 and Older I-7...yes he skipped a Generation. Your reviews, as well as Kyle's are always well done...thanks again!
Intel: - gives you 5 years old architecture - makes you to buy new platform for it (lmao) - is toasty AF - is watt thirsty - is much more expensive AMD: - silently giggles with Zen3 at the corner (compatible with current boards), knowing even Zen2 is wiping its ass with Intels "new" CPUs
Intel: - 5 year old architecture that amd is only just catching up to with 7nm (thats embarrassing for amd) - wdym toasty AF? Its cooler than the others - its more expensive since the brand is more reliable
@@ShadowDev6969 "Catching up" you mean at 1080p gaming on 2080ti right. In other tasks AMD wipes its ass with Intel. Not to mention they are going to release refresh CPUs in a while and Zen3 is still to come. Intel is dead with its current platform as many big HW RU-vidrs already stated
@@Fanati_XX we're not comparing to 3900x - which is a much slower CPU overall. I9 is about 20% faster than 3900x cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-10900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X/4071vs4044
The worst one so far I have seen is Paul's Hardware. Hardwarecanucks and HardwareUnboxed are easily describing the real picture of that catastrophe. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I656fTow6Ow.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1O1nhAd7V9I.html
@@evalangley3985 Those 2 channels (and others) have their heads so far up AMDs butt it will take surgery to have them removed. Those AMD shills wouldn't give credit to Intel even if it was 10x faster and used half the power as AMD. AMD must be sponsoring them. You can watch anything you want, sucker. I don't give a shit!
I thought I would go with Intel this year for an upgrade, but was unimpressed when I got their bloated pricing. I just this morning grabbed a 3900X for $389 from Microcenter, so I guess it's AMD for a few more years for me. I'm sure my next upgrade will involve DDR5 and an AM5 socket. Good work as always Paul!
Sweet price you got 👍. Yeah I was kinda expecting this when the specs and price were leaked/announced and pulled the trigger on a 3900x 1 month ago when the price hit an all time low in my country.
To see the 8700K still being able to trade blows with current AMD offerings in GAMING makes me feel more relieved about not upgrading yet... I will wait for Intel's 11th Gen to see if they decide to reduce the nm process and support PCIe 4.0 and maybe finally DDR5. My delidded 8700K at 5.1ghz still holds its value for gaming in 2020. Thanks Paul
No regrets on my AMD Ryzen 9 3900x build I did right before this Corona crap storm hit.Thank you Paul for your content. As always, your delivery of content is unmatched. Thanks!
I'm sure the demographic of computer people who are doing only gaming, and 1080p gaming at that, is quite large, so your continued catering to them is always appreciated.
Currently rocking a 4790k, so I'd be looking at buying into a new platform either way. An upgrade path has never really meant much to me, not since the days of the P4, so new socket vs old socket doesn't matter to me. If I manage an upgrade this year, it's likely to be >5yrs before the next upgrade.
Intel wins 👍 picked up10900k can't be dealing with slow AMD ! Best combo is always Intel + Nvidia - and yes Paul desktops computer are for gaming only no one cares about compute workloads and if you do due to work then you build a boring workstation and watch workstation benchmark vids. Simple Intel for gaming /fun and AMD for boring render applications only.
I cant even guess how many comments iv read that equate the performance of these cpus with the amount of cores they have😂😂🤣like efficiency and speed are irrelivant😩
I love AMD 3900x, I don't own it but I like how it performs. But to be honest, if Intel 10th gen performed like this on 14mm chips, My guess is when Intel reaches to 7mm like AMD, they'll crush AMD chipset like paste. I'm bias between the 2 so, I like the competition, the customers win.
AMD is near to launch the next gen Ryzen CPU's. If Intel is bleeding so much in this generation, it will be a totally massacre when the next gen is launched.
I pre-ordered an i9-10900k with a Gigabyte Aorus Master. All the reviews Ive watched today on performance are pretty much what I expected, so Im content with my purchase. Only thing that surprised me were the thermals - they're actually better than I expected, so thats good.
Recently had my admittedly amateur first build PC crap out on me within the past few weeks and your videos have helped me be informed on what I'm buying and also start getting into this kind of stuff on a hobby level. Super informative and easy to understand by someone with very little knowledge such as myself!
I was finally ready to jump ship from my X99 machine and build a new system, then covid threw everything out of whack. And now, we're so close to the 4000 series, I think I'll just sit and wait and save a little more. Though seeing the 3900X at around $400 is super enticing.... Edit: Btw Paul, if you happen to see this. My friend surprised me yesterday with a 2017 Goose Island Bourbon Barrel aged stout, and also a 2019 one! I was able to do a side by side, absolutely amazing. Super thick bodied, syrupy, absolutely amazing.
Same. I've been AMD for a long time now because of cost/benefit. However, I've always kept a consideration for Intel and Nvidia when purchasing new hardware. Especially recently, when my comp tanked and I needed a new one. In the end, with new tech in consideration as well, still wound up going AMD, even though the cost difference is coming down. Now... the numbers just support that decision. Intel's new chip barely edges the outgoing Ryzens marginally, and only in some aspects. In a weird twist, it's main counterpart (the x3950) is more costly. But the X3900 still competes with it, and is less costly, so... wash? Either way... new chip is just competing with outgoing chips, and the new gen Ryzen is on the horizon. So yeah. I'd rather just spend to drop a new CPU and put that motherboard money toward the new GPUs... maybe splurge for a Nvidia this time. At least those deliver the performance that matches the price tag.
@@floppa5032 the 3950x is the best for gaming on amds side. All that unused compute performance makes it great and futureproof. i plan on using it for 10 years, lets see if it holds up. with the current core trend im sure i will get huge gains in the future.
Of the hardware channels, yours is the most relevant to regular people and presented in a human readable format. Thank you. It seems like most reviewers chase the algorithm and forget what it’s like to watch news/reviews, especially on a frequent basis. GN is thorough, but unintelligible. I gave up on Linus forever ago, and HWunboxed seems like they always have an axe to grind. Excited to see the 10700 next and how it compares to the 3700x as I’m in the market.
I would love to see a blind test between an Intel system and an AMD system for gaming to see if people can actually tell the difference between the two since both of them can perform very well for gaming
Paul, you have always been a favorite, because you get to the point, no fluff. I would love to see you testing shit in proper cases. I know, it takes a bit more time and effort. But it would make you the only source worth listening to. Test beds don't really show off cooler performance and how well a motherboard can run. And in head to head stuff, you only really need two cases, one for each brand (intel/amd). Motherboards can be swapped out decently easy. You can also lay the cases down, they don't have to be on their feet like usual.
Great video as always! I really like the "simplicity" of your charts - all you need to know in one place. Only the colour choice could be better - it's quite hard to see the difference between light blue, blue and dark blue :D a little bit more contrast would be nice (like red, blue, white or something alike).
Thanks for the review Paul, excellent as always. As I'm finally contemplating on building a new PC (current is a i7-6700k/Z170), I'm thinking for the mid to high range, that I'm still about a generation away (Ryzen 4000 series/Core i7/i5 Rocket Lake). i5-10600k/i9-10900k are defenite improvements on gaming and the R7/R9 Ryzens are definite improvements on production (I'm a 60/40 Gaming/Production workload), I don't feel that the pricing and availability and instability in the current market is worth upgrading/building new if your current is more than adequate.... As for pricing of the CPU itself, very competitive against its current competition, but not sure I'd buy it over a R9-3900X.
compare, ark.intel.com/content/www/es/es/ark/compare.html?productIds=126684,186604,190883 and of course compare with the similar AMD. here and a lot of reviews and benchmarks compare different products (furthermore the hiden marketing) , it is not reliable compare 12 vs 10 cores, 16 vs 10 trheads as common in youtube. Both brands will offer the best to you, just trust and go for the one you like .
I was able to finally make a trip to the Micro Center in Tustin, I picked up an x570 board for 154.99 after the cpu bundle promo and a 3900x for 389.99. I don’t regret it one bit for that price. one day in and I love the 12c/24t. It’s quick and responsive and chews through pretty much anything I do.
I wish I had purchased the 3900x when I was building a new AMD pc, but it was unavailable, so I got the 3700x which seems to do doing rather well considering. As always, thanks for the awesome tech videos, and doing the extremely hard work of gaining these CPU's to show the benchmarks!
Thanks you for the clear and detailed review Paul! I had actually pre-ordered a 10900K motherboard bundle to replace my 3770K. After watching this video, I had all the information I needed to cancel that order and get the 3900X with a X570-F instead. The overall productivity performance is clearly better and offers more value. Also, the equivalent ASUS board for the 10900K has lower specs such as no PCIE4, USB3 Gen2 header and limited SATA bandwidth sharing. Thanks for helping me make the right choice for my needs, keep up the great work!
I find the bars on your charts hard to read when the green highlighted rectangle overlaps the bars because it changes the shades of the colors. So the colors no longer match the other entries or the legend. I can still figure it out by looking at the other entries and seeing which bar is which color, but it would be nice if it was a bit more clear.
I think both these companies are in an interesting place right now. I actually just received the 10700k in the mail and am really excited about it. I was going to order a 3900x for the price to performance, but the x570 motherboards are all out of stock or over priced compared to what they are supposed to be. If this non-availability causes more permanent increased prices for AMD, can you honestly recommend them at that price point over intel?
Just finished upgrading my desktop with a 10900K yesterday. Bought it because it has the best single core and gaming performance. If AMD had the best CPU for these two things, I would have bought that instead. It's fast, for sure, but it runs ridiculously hot. Reminds me of the old AMD chips I had. My Noctua NH-D14 along with my Corsair Obsidian 1000D case can barely keep up with cooling it during benchmarks, without it throttling. Goes a touch above 90C, bone stock, with 100% CPU load for a little while. Guess I won't be clocking this one unless I buy some kind of insane AIO cooler.
i have the same cpu since yesterday, with my aio cooler and using a cpu stress test, everything hit 100oC on 5 cores! in just 5 minutes! this is without any overclocking set up other then whatever asus or windows 10 does automatically without changing bios settings.
Really, this Intel launch is better than I expected. This is the generation that 9th gen should have been. At this point it really feels like a stop-gap, but it's not a bad platform. AMD's contribution here more than anything is forcing Intel to compete on price per core. It would have been unthinkable a few years ago to have 8 or 10 cores on the mainstream Intel platform. Competition is good!
Great review, test and explanation. The main problem I see for someone crazy enough to buy the i9 10900K is the Core i7 10700K . It will be pretty lame if the Core i7 10700K shows to be equal/faster in games, like what the Core i7 9700K did in the past vs the i9 9900K. And what about the i5 10600K? I wonder if that "little" (cores wise) cpu can be overlocked a bit to surpass even the i9 10900K. Then again Zen 3 is just a a few months away too.
I’m thinking about purchasing a new laptop. Alienware m15r3 4k oled / 2080 rtx super mxq/ 32gb ram/wim 10 pro Will use it for: Marathon gaming content creating VR Questions: Which 10th gen CPU should I take i9 or i7 ? Should I buy a laptop from another “brand”? Thnx 🙂
How big is the PC building gaming enthusiast market? How big is the PC building Application Performance market? Low mid end gaming and productive workloads (except PS): AMD. High end 1080p 1440p gaming: Intel.
It's unreasonable to run the 10900K without at the very least removing the long-duration power limit on any board that imposes it. It's not even overclocking, it's just letting the CPU boost another 400-500 MHz all-core (technically still stock) and the difference in performance is massive vs. forcing it to 125W. Still may not be worth it vs. the 3900X, especially with the higher power consumption, but the gap is much smaller vs. what Paul showed at stock.
To be honest the numbers are better than expected (especially power draw and temperature). Not gonna upgrade, but it's impressive how Intel can keep up with AMD despite still being on 14nm.
the 3900x is also using the same cooler, what´s ur point ? that amd has an included decent cooler, when does that matter, tehwn ur spending 400+ dolls o na cpu, surely ul get an AIO tto cool all thsi cores kek.
Pedro Carneiro Batista as my comment says, the point is price to performance. The price of a cooler is the difference between a 2070super and a 2060super. Not to mention the difference in price of a b450 vs z490
@@pedrocarneirobatista9242 Add the $150 for the cooler you'll need to keep it from throttling. The AMD chip can run well with the included cooler. Let's just be real about the situation, by the time a 10900k is actually usable in a system it costs nearly what the 16 core 32 thread 3950x does. And Every tech reviewer is going to completely gloss over that objective fact
moddedimlose Very True, plus I don’t understand why they don’t use the memory they themselves recommend for Ryzen, 3600 cl 16. Using slower memory doesn’t affect Intel but hurts AMD (while marginal) and using faster memory only helps both? Oh well. Waiting on Zen 3 before I build regardless
Great comprehensive video, Paul. One thing that struck me is the 3700X is $290 (Amazon and Walmart) now and it seemed to hang around quite well for the price/performance aspect. (edit: added where it is $290)
I want to see how the new i5s perform. I am running a 9600KF which is a really good value and I have it OC'ed to 5.00 GHz. Really happy with it for gaming anyways. Hard to beat the price as well. So throw that performance in with hyper threading and I am really excited what kind of value we can get at that price point.
+Paul's Hardware the 3900x is currently $420 on Amazon and the 3950x is $720, the i9 10900k is about $600 from most retailer's. The 3900x is the best overall.
without the stupid limitation and programmed threat of PRICE, the fanboyism and youtubers and ignorance would be a different story in this shit of CPUs reviews
Interesting to compare how an Intel 14nm ++++ design with 10 cores on the i9 10900K can come close to the AMD Zen 2 architecture at 7nm with 12 cores on the 3900X, also how much more they were able to pull ahead from their own i9 9900K while still refining 14nm technology. If Intel could get their 10nm HEDT going it would be really an interesting competition
I'm trying to get my man pants on to build my first PC, mainly for CK3 and 2077 coming out later this year and I'm so torn between AMD or Intel was leaning towards AMD with more bang for buck but this didn't help at all lol. Actually it was a very informative video but I'm still confused damn you!
Good stuff! Personally really looking forward to the 3900X vs 10700k matchup. I've seen pricing on the 3900X that puts it right in the 10700k ballpark.
Hi Paul, great video as always 😜 I have a two questions about the way you do your benchmarking. 1. Why not all 1440p benchmarks? Which I believe is more likely the resolution someone with an i9-10900K will play at. 2. Why no 720p/480p benchmarks to really show the difference to the extreme if that is the goal. Would love to hear you explain a bit about how you benchmark and the reasoning behind settings and combined components. Thanks for the content, always a treat 😉
Hi, i apologies, reading the Spec comparison, Memory Type/Default for i9-10900K is DDR4 2933 not DDR4 2666, and like you said AMD Ryzen 9 3900 have 12/24 Core/Threads, I apologies for this message, but watch your videos since Newegg time. I would like to write this in private not here so i will delete this comment within 48 H. It is nice to watch your videos. You were my first teacher. Thanks for that.
Awesome review as always Paul keep up the good work!! With regard to your graph at 22:45, I'm curious to know what the stock i9 10900k's power draw (avg & peak) is compared to the other cpu's listed when the CPU is idling and when you're gaming? Please can you also make a video of the i9 10900k indicating the power draw on different mobos as well as how to restrict the watts the i9 10900k is allowed to use? Thanks Paul
Really appreciate the well put video and timestamps in comments. Seems like like 6600k is still very much enough computing power for me, as I only game and don't need newest AAA games that much.
Paul, I'm building a desktop for photo editing with Photoshop, Lightroom, etc. I'm not into gaming. Based on these tests, I'm thinking I should go with the AMD 3950X or 3900X. What are your thoughts?
The 3950X and even 3900X are a bit overkill for this kind of workload. I think you can achieve the same level of performance while spending half the price with a 3700X or 3800X (both 8c/16T) However, if you plan to also use After Effects and Premiere Pro in your workflow, the 3900X and 3950X are good choices !
@@GirdHerd no problem! For the 3900X you need to go for a good X570, you will get PCIE Gen4 + Zen 3 compatibility. The MSI X570 Tomahawk is a good mobo for it's price point. You can also look for an Asrock x570 Taichi if you are not looking at the price tag. But you may need to scavenge a bit for good motherboards since X570 mobos are hard to find right now
