Intel's 12th Gen E-Core Gaming Is Surprising!

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@buggerlugz6753 2 года назад

E-Cores have been designed by Intel specifically to handle all the bloatware included with Dell PC's.

@chrono393 2 года назад

Fr tho lol

@Dark.Shingo 2 года назад

I have no proof but also no doubts.

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

Haha!! They should have called them bloatware cores. 😂

@viztiz316 2 года назад

Those will probably ship with the CPUs without e cores(i3 12100, i5 12400, etc) lol

@number1salesman-1997 2 года назад

@@DawidDoesTechStuff b cores

@DrearierSpider1 2 года назад

8:10 This is a well known quirk of GTA V's engine, which Gamers Nexus discovered years ago. When you hit a certain fps threshold (187.5 fps IIRC), it causes major stuttering. If you cap the game to 180 fps using RTSS, the P cores will Hulk smash the E cores.

@AllanBorch 2 года назад

Oh... shit... i never found a solution to that... Thanks man!

@The117th 2 года назад

This! it makes it a pain in the ass to benchmark properly due to having to limit it

@starnoelle8248 2 года назад

@@The117th yeah you cant once you break the game from all ur fps

@gavwrecker 2 года назад

I guess this is why you always benchmark multiple games.

@coccoborg Год назад

I guess when rockstar originally coded it for the PS3 they never thought people would be trying to run the game at over 180fps 😂

@colddripgaming 2 года назад

Other RU-vidrs: “I’m going to test the E cores but i’ve got a scientific method for the most accurate testing” Dawid: “IDK zip ties i guess?” Never change, you glorious zip tied bastard

@raven4k998 Год назад

microcenter the place where nerds dreams come true🤣🤣🤣

@connorphares8157 2 года назад

I feel like Dawid honestly just does Linode sponsorships because he loves saying Linode....

@masterswords7202 2 года назад

Same

@dbunik44 2 года назад

remins me of Jayztwocents Ifixit videos

@roxymigurdia-t5p 2 года назад

LLLLIIIIIIINNNOOOOOODDDDEEEEE

@connorphares8157 2 года назад

@@roxymigurdia-t5p 🤣😂

@bedroxzbass4706 2 года назад

LIN OOOOOODDDE

@IcebergTech 2 года назад

E-core sounds like a genre of music I'm not cool enough to be into

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

Just a bunch of bearded dudes with hats singing in whiny voices. 😂

@CaptainZombeh 2 года назад

I'd listen to chiptune emo.

@somecuntxxx Год назад

@@CaptainZombeh shut up right now

@koldan5892 2 года назад

I think that the gta v 1% being so low is because you were near the engine's maximum fps, if it gets close to them (160+) the game stutters a lot

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

For sure! I was also thinking that while doing the testing. Not sure why I didn't mention it. Thanks for the comment. 😊

@M7xle 2 года назад

GTA V when you go over the limit engine (188 FPS) it stutters A LOT so you need to lock the fps, that’s why the 1% low was much lower with the P-cores.

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

For sure! That's what I was thinking. I also think that may have been the case with BF V.

@mordacain3293 2 года назад

Came to say that - basically all of Zen 3 and even the older i7 / i9s can encounter the same issue when the framerate bounces off the engine limit.

@Zhuurgen 2 года назад

I was really hoping for the legendary 2500k as the grandpa intel cpu, but i guess that the venerable 4690k is getting long in the tooth aswell, great video Dawid!

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

Thanks! I happen to have the 4690K, but the 2500k would also have been an interesting test. 😊

@chriswright8074 2 года назад

@@DawidDoesTechStuff e cores are just Skylake

@eclipsegst9419 2 года назад

@@chriswright8074 well. give or take they have Skylake level IPC. i would like to see the Passmark numbers for 4c4t Gracemont vs 4c4t Skylake at the same frequency.

@annurissimo1082 2 года назад

People are forgetting that in this case efficient = bad is not true. These E cores are literally i5 6600 cores And you get 4 of them, just like the i5 6600. So you basically get a great, modern, hexa-core processor, and a skylake i5 as an extra.

@tukunstudios 2 года назад

Este comentario está infravalorado, estoy totalmente de acuerdo xD

@alilokhd4638 Год назад

Since they lack avx 512 instructions it's gonna be a broadwell cores

@DrearierSpider1 2 года назад

Performance is surprisingly good, and prices are very reasonable. Microcenter already has the i7 12700K down to $370, which performs very similar to a 5900X. AMD has been lowering prices a bit, but I think they're going to keep them relatively high, as they know there's a huge amount of people already on AM4, thus willing to pay more for Zen 3 CPU's if it means a drop in upgrade over full MOBO replacement.

@buggerlugz6753 2 года назад

Not exactly great value for money at $370 though, is it? really?

@DrearierSpider1 2 года назад

@@buggerlugz6753 Even at the most discounted retailer in the US, the 5900X is $470 (again, they perform very similarly). So yes, Alder Lake is currently king in price to performance.

@BonusCrook 2 года назад

2x16 kits of Ddr5 sell for $2000 on ebay definitely go with D4 motherboards

@jablue4329 2 года назад

@@buggerlugz6753 Tbh, i7 and R7 have always felt like a dubious value. If you really need a higher core count for real work, why not go i9 or R9? If you just game, why go past i5 or R5?

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

The price wars have begun! I think the biggest problem with this platform is the mobo prices though. Even DDR 4 z690 boards are hella expensive.

@dauoddoesstuff 2 года назад

I like the look of that cpu cooler, thanks for the funny video Dawid!

@AnnaDoes 2 года назад

Agreed! It's a Cool Deep Cool Cooler XD

@roxymigurdia-t5p 2 года назад

Wait, I thought it was pronounced "Coorel"? 🤣

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

@@roxymigurdia-t5p That's what I was thinking. Not sure what this "cooler" is everyone is talking about. 😅

@KANATADOMPIZ 2 года назад

DerBauer did this too. Good video sir

@mstrwil73 2 года назад

The board has LGA 1200 and 1700 holes drilled in it. Hence the two sets of drill holes on the board.

@mstrwil73 2 года назад

@NikA he may not have had the 1700 standoffs because the 1200 standoffs are too tall for sufficient pressure.

@LawrenceTimme 2 года назад

@@mstrwil73 depends on the cooler, my air cooler and ek water block are both fine. Artic aio didn't though

@mino4258 2 года назад

@@LawrenceTimme My MSI AIO works just fine with the lga1200 hardware since it takes them a month to send out the correct mounting hardware

@LawrenceTimme 2 года назад

@@mino4258 yes one some coolers the standoffs are too tall so even though it fits the coolers doesn't touch the cpu

@brucethen 2 года назад

Me: buys AM4 when it was brand new, hunts high and low to find a cooler that fits. Dawid: gets brand new 12th gen CPU "I'm just going to zip-tie this cooler in place"

@Stevenzao 2 года назад

Hey Dawid! I'm still impressed at the older i5, it sure held its own against the much more modern e-cores. I'm very curious to see a 2 "gamers" 1 cpu virtualization build with these CPUs, splitting E-cores to one user and P-cores to another. Just throwing it out there Best regards!

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

That sounds really interesting! You can have like a virtualized baby gaming PC running off your chad PC. 😁

@Amerikanskis 2 года назад

@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah im gunna need a hustle on that video Dawid. make the GF play the sims on the baby gaming rig. not for any specific reason I might be interested in just for a completely random example.

@cptwhite 2 года назад

@@DawidDoesTechStuff I bet an 12700K, with 8 threaded performance cores and 4 efficiency cores could easily handle 2 instances of any game with a 4C/8T P core + 2 E core setup per instance.

@spooky2.043 2 года назад

@@DawidDoesTechStuff could you split a single gpu’s power between them or would you need to have two gpus with one routing to the virtualised pc?

@bradhaines3142 2 года назад

@@spooky2.043 windows programs dont split single GPU very well, LTT found that its just easier to get a 2nd GPU but you have watch out for the board. lot of times a 2nd GPU will force both to run x8 instead of 1 x16 and the other x8

@Tomazack 2 года назад

I had an old motherboard and cpu without the bracket for the cooler that I was gonna use for a project, so I found some angled aluminium and cut it into a couple of pieces which I drilled wholes in, to use as mounting hardware for a heatpipe chipset cooler I had laying around. zip-tied it all down , zip tied an old 80mm fan to the thing and the temperature was actually decent. Too bad one can't post pictures here (or maybe it's for the best) I'd love to show my work of art to you.

@busterscrugs 2 года назад

Derbaruer's video shows the 8 e-cores in the 12900k performing as good as a Ryzen 1700x in cinebench! Pretty impressive!

@extraglutenplz3758 2 года назад

Microcenter is the absolute chad store for computer hardware.

@Balbazack 2 года назад

That Lenoooode!!! Entry is so epic!

@TrusteftTech 23 дня назад

I haven't tried it in years, but it should be easy to change the affinity for any running application just through task manager. You don't need a special third party program. The only problem is that you have first to start the program you want to change the affinity for/of/from/whatever.

@TC_here 2 года назад

This is the exact thing i wanted to see someone test.. and it did go better than i expected. ..

@joeschmoe5009 2 года назад

Please keep doing videos like these and not like the other youtubers who are acting like detuning the cpu should p4ovide better results and then being upset when they dont. I genuinely appreciate your content, and fun demeanor

@roamintheslums4851 2 года назад

I had an i5 4690k before upgrading to a 10400F. Major difference in gaming. That i5 was awesome. Held up great.

@eclipsegst9419 2 года назад

yep. my wife still has one. I think ill give her my 3300x and nab up a 12500 when they release. I'm done with unlocked chips when they have such little headroom nowdays.

@roamintheslums4851 2 года назад

@@eclipsegst9419 Glad to hear someone else is rocking one! As for the unlocked chips the asrock z590 phantom does boost the 10400F. Can't remember what mine pushes but I think it is around 3.9-4.1GHz. Im gonna wait a few years before upgrading, as I recently did this upgrade and hate to shell out $ for new mobo and ram.

@eclipsegst9419 2 года назад

@@roamintheslums4851 yeah that's the thing. If leaks are correct 12500 should have stock boost of 4.6 and that's what I ran my 2500K and that 4690K at back when they were in my rig. So if I can enable XMP on a B or H board and possibly get a hair extra boost to boot, I really don't feel the need to spend extra on a 12600K and Z490.

@roamintheslums4851 2 года назад

@@eclipsegst9419 I'm more than comfortable with my setup... for once. I neither feel the need to upgrade for years to come. I don't rely too heavily on overclocking. Makes me uncomfortable lol. I rock a 1080 ftw 2 with the 10400.

@theophilusthistler5885 2 года назад

3:20 Likely acable mgnt strap. Asrock used to use them back in the Ivy Bridge days.

@davapod 2 года назад

I'm gonna wait a couple of years. I have two rigs, a 3700x with 32gb ram and a gtx 1060 6gb gpu. The other a 10850k with a 1080 ti and 64gb ram. The bottle neck for me is purely gpu related.

@Mountain-Man-3000 2 года назад

That PCIE release button is mankind's greatest achievement.

@grari135 2 года назад

Would have been interesting to see the difference in cpu power draw.

@viztiz316 2 года назад

The board has mounting system for LGA 1200

@nooby_pops2672 2 года назад

hands down funniest most entertaining tech channel, u even make me laugh while doing sponsors!

@jodiac 2 года назад

When the cooler part came up I was just so incredibly happy we still got to see some of the great old Dawid Jankiness even despite Dawid pulling out all of the sponsors for this video. This was incredible ¡I’m so glad you got your hands on these fancy things so quickly!

@karma9007 Год назад

Chad cores damn son,thats another level.

@startedtech 2 года назад

2:59 I knew that was coming, I recognize the microcenter price sticker from a mile away lol. (And since you don't have a microcenter in Canada)

@87crimson 2 года назад

those E cores run circles over my FX 6300. I am happy with my PC but once I upgrade the leap should be massive.

@samljer 2 года назад

Pretty sure i read somewhere a 12th gen E core would be equivalent to like a 6th gen core for performance. So 8P4E is like having a 8 Core 16thread CPU, and a 6700K added in (with no HT)

@martythestines 2 года назад

You always seem to make the better videos with new product reviews. Well you and DerBaur. You both think outside of the box. I watch Gamers Nexus for the stats and charts, I watch LMG to see if Linus is gonna drop the product and I watch you an DerBaur, to see what interesting things can be done that it was not designed for. Which is also why I only watch one GameTuber, GreyStillPlays. He plays the games like me, by trying to break them with things the devs never thought somebody would try.

@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 года назад

My thinking is, I can't compete with GN's charts so why even try. 😁 Thanks for the nice comment and watching the channel.

@metrotechguru5863 2 года назад

Linus will always drop the product, metaphorically if not physically, so why bother?

@eclipsegst9419 2 года назад

You should also check out Lets Game It Out he is also a legendary PC abuser

@IsaardP 2 года назад

Ooooo that RAM kit is something else, so much fancy.

@bubleman2196 2 года назад

7:8 Fun fact, you can do that in task manager aswell

@giserson2 2 года назад

This gets me hyped for a potential E-core only laptop/mini PC with 6 or 8 E-cores, as it would draw very little power while performing much like a lower clocked version of a skylake CPU with the same core and thread count. Just imagine if they did a new computestick with 6-8 E-cores and some half decent Xe graphics.

@kgb3209 2 года назад

Just a heads up Dawid Asus puts LGA 1200 mounting holes on their Z690 so any LGA 1200 cooler can still work

@romevang 2 года назад

Its been stipulated that the E cores on those CPUs you have tend to have similar performance to the 6th gen skylake cores. Also, always fun to see more people discover process lasso. =)

@ufoisback5088 2 года назад

Everyone: we used this chunky AIO to cool 12900K and it beats AMD! Dawid: I zip tied an air cooler to the hottest CPU alive, no problems encountered. Reminds me of the RTX 3080ti review. Keep em coming, Dawid

@ianbenn1 2 года назад

He did the thing!

@AnnaDoes 2 года назад

Little baby cores ❤️❤️❤️❤️

@buggerlugz6753 2 года назад

Was that a "we need that family discussion Dawid" comment? :)

@AnnaDoes 2 года назад

@@buggerlugz6753 hahaha lil baby cores are the only babies on my mind 😆

@EmTekTube 2 года назад

3:28 "What is this for?..." My thoughts exactly with a random strap on your motherboard haha

@joeschmoe5009 2 года назад

I appreciate you showing benchmarks of everything and even a stock benchmark, everyone doing these type of comparisons are disapointed when the e cores dont work like p cores, and provide lower fps. Showing hey you can game like this if you want, but you shouldnt, instead of, wait how is this not working so well with less p cores enabled?!

@HC-Alfred 2 года назад

Was watching somewhere else for a while, when i heard "strapon" at 3:25

@JayBuccola 2 года назад

I'm loving the 12600k so far. Stays below 60 no matter what i put it through.

@mrhassell 2 месяца назад

Crestmont Low Power Efficiency cores (LPE), reappear in 15th Gen Intel, Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake as Crestmont Gold. Shiney!

@gumikacsa526 2 года назад

On Wikipedia it's actually disclosed that the Gracemont E-cores have Skylake level performance, so I'd have tried it with a i5-6400 instead

@foch3 2 года назад

I want one of those alder lake promotional die shots.

@playerofgames7916 7 месяцев назад

5:50 "There is always seven more then you expect" And THAT WHAT SHE SAID! i know you sow it comming😂

@pu239 2 года назад

5:58 "There's always seven more than youe expect" lol

@keeperofthegood 2 года назад

Oh whoa, an Intel CPU! Blast from the Past: thanks for the memories Dawid!

@shadowwsk3507 2 года назад

The e cores is named to be efficient, but how efficient is the cores? Its sad that you didn't cover that

@St4rtPl4yer 2 года назад

It would have been interesting to compare it to a DDR4 i5 7400 as they have similar turbo frequencies (E-core) although maybe the result does not change

@garbage100 2 года назад

He really likes those sound affects

@GhostTurtleYT 2 года назад

What you should have also included was whats the power difference between the old i5 vs the modern i5 with the E-Cores enabled. I wonder how they would compare on that front.

@WaylandGaming Год назад

3:14 Dawid: It reminds me more of like a Formula motherboard than a Strix The F in ROG Strix Z690-F: bruh

@RarestAce 2 года назад

The E-Cores were impressive but that 4690K with DDR3 was I think the most impressive showing. This is why I love your channel you give us the content we didn't know we needed.

@2009numan 2 года назад

that motherboard has oval holes so you can mount a old style lga 1200 cpu cooler Dawid

@TheGameBench 2 года назад

As I understand it, the e-cores are equivalent to Skylake 6th gen cores.

@crossleyr 2 года назад

Asus must be sending that motherboard out to everyone. Greg Salazar used it as well on a build he did this week. He also commented on the PCIe button as well.

@philtkaswahl2124 2 года назад

Strix: Hella Featured They should use that as an official marketing tag line.

@mattparker9726 2 года назад

Can we get a 10 minute loop of Dawid saying "bebe" and "thiddy"? PLEASE??

@takeshi7 2 года назад

That motherboard has standard socket 115x mounting holes. No need to resort to zip ties to mount the cooler..

@timg6930 2 года назад

Doing what Intel and any other sane person would not attempt. And this is why I'm always happy to see a new Dawid video post.

@mattsparks3546 2 года назад

I think that velcro that was on the board near the pcie slot was there to help with the gpu sag issues that the RTX 30 series has been having

@brarautorepairs 2 года назад

I like how Linode can handle any size load you throw at it.

@BarryTGash 2 года назад

Next test: how long can you game using E cores on a Jackery vs normal core distribution. You know, for when the inevitable apocalypse comes for tea...

@micobugija6284 2 года назад

Half the cooler manufacturers send the mounting hardware free of charge as long as you got a proof of purchace. Noctua usually just asks for a picture of their cooler + cpu + mobo, sometimes not even that

@bits2646 2 года назад

It'd probably make more sense to test with the games that depend a bit more on CPU itself, like Anno, F1, Age of Empires or similar strategy games?? I don't game and don't know many games, but that's my two cents on that topic...

@WouterVerbruggen 2 года назад

Dawid... That motherboard has mounting holes for 115x coolers XD

@markkoetsier6475 2 года назад

1:16 Oh dear, looks like the long-awaited die shrink didn't go well.

@JimmyZeng 2 года назад

CPU affinity could be set using just task manager.

@mattyspage 2 года назад

Eugh I just knew you were going to use my CPU as a reference for slow cores!

@nivea878 Год назад

i have the 13600k, but next cpu upgrade will be quantum cpu @ 50 ghz with optimus prime laser dots

@tomferguson9250 2 года назад

i5 4690K was a solid CPU, I upgraded from that overclocked at 4.5 to a current Ryzen 5800X @ 4.7 about a year ago

@thejollysloth5743 2 года назад

I'm still sticking with my 9600k overclocked to 5.3ghz. It's incredible. It beats the 9900k, 10600k, and 11600k in many games. None of those CPU's can overclock to 5.3ghz. Maybe I will upgrade to Ryzen 6000 or Intel 13th Gen....see what is better.

@JohnADoe-pg1qk 2 года назад

I don't know how time-consuming these tests are, but "just for fun" a test run with only the P-cores would be nice to compare.

@DBimo 2 года назад

now this is what i want, i always ttrytofind people use e core for gaming!

@thejollysloth5743 2 года назад

I have a feeling you would have got better 1% lows with the E-cores if you had a DDR4 RAM motherboard. DDR5 doesn't like Windows 10 in quite a few games.

@paalpet 2 года назад

Cool video! Don't think the cores itself is the biggest issue here, BF5 don't like just 4 cores. It runs a lot better on 8 threads. Would be cool to see same test with just E-cores on the 12900K.

@TheOriginalBruh 2 года назад

6:50 processor affinity is a setting build into windows which I think does basically the same as process lasso, I think at least 🤷.

@nap8187 2 года назад

Yes, but process lasso lets you set up profiles and automate many things in regards to affinity. It's a nice program.

@TheOriginalBruh 2 года назад

@@nap8187 ok, didn't know that thanks.

@paulfox4636 2 года назад

I bet the janitors at Linode use Vileda gloves.

@zvexevz 2 года назад

So many people say things like "you can't game on four cores" or "four core processors are basically obsolete," which is obviously not true, and probably won't be true for a good while yet. There are some new titles that push them to their limits, and I'd say that four cores without SMT is not enough for some very demanding games, like the new battlefield. But for the vast majority of games, I have little trouble getting good visuals and stable performance with 4C8T.

@exturkconner 2 года назад

Just in time for no one to care. Sounds like the story of my life.

@dogit1840 2 года назад

You know it's a funny thing you know about the B2 bomber that only means we have something way more secretive You Don't See

@kovacspis 2 года назад

Dude, ASUS Z690 boards literally have oval holes for CPU coolers having both LGA1700 and 1200 holes. You can see them in the video. You should have used LGA115X/1200 retention kit.

@ChristmasCrustacean1 2 года назад

Intel be like "we're taking the fight to AMD" oh waow... "by doing the same kind of launch we've always done and releasing only high end motherboards and cpus"

@anothersiguy 2 года назад

Well with those E cores performing that well perhaps there's still hope for mobile Alder Lake-based parts. The power consumption was making it look dicey.

@legitscoper3259 2 года назад

Oh yes. I've been waiting for this. Thank you so much Dawid! Like, if there is something janky that hasn't be done by LMG (LTT) you and this other guy "Jays Tech Vault" will absolutely take care of that xD ♡

@jrose-xp6tf 2 года назад

I've wandered into an Intel-bashing session it seems, Happy Thanksgiving!

@MandoMTL 2 года назад

I feel like this video also serves to highlight just how good Devil's Canyon was and still is. Would be interesting to see if the good old 2500k is officially "dead". I'm confident in saying C2Q is for AAA gaming, but I have a hunch overclocked Sandy can still push 30+ @1080p (low) in anything when paired with a proper GPU (780ti-ish).

@CursedKeyblade1 2 года назад

I just went all out and have no regrets. the 12700k runs so quiet it's unbelieveable.

@LawrenceTimme 2 года назад

You do know the Asus boards have both LGA 1200 and 1700 holes for the cooler mounts so you don't need new mounting hardware

@kieran8137 2 года назад

You know you can change the affinity in task manager for selected programmes? 😉

@saricubra2867 2 года назад

Is that Windows 10 with Alder Lake? Now the frame pacing issues make sense.

@hampopper3150 2 года назад

You can make it as deadly as a gun with a high voltage capacitor bank.

@GroundGame. 2 года назад

King Dawid has spoken! 🙏 👂 Zip-tie powered

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

You should call them Dude and Guy cores! :D

@illdoitlater4208 2 года назад

Honestly with some work I'd be interested in high Ecore cpus Like a low power cpu that's like 8 Ecores and 1-2 p cores Wouldn't be great for gaming (who def capable of it) but it would be good for pretty much all average user uses