Intel's 13900k Faster AND cheaper?? Oh my... 

4090 is a huge leap in performance, super excited to see the "cheaper" gpus

Same, seeing them so close in performance is great news for consumers. Competition makes for better products all around.

@@AlyxSharkBite-2000 won't stop them to keep raising the prices on us

RIP my peasant 5800x3D 😥😥😥

well I'm happy to see intel won again / still winning

Well said

@@okdarius hmmm capitalism XD just melts my heart....

the beauty of capitalism. remember that when the marxists are running for office... they re currently in the white house...

Nah, all i see is Intel dogging AMD in everything at the momment.

@@Nobody-su9km some people see the glass half full. some half empty. some miss the point entirely and don t even see the glass.

@@BeAShepherdNotASheep They still have the deal going. I am surprised. You get even get a 7700 with the DDR5-6000 2x16 G. Even more of an insane deal with that processor. They don't always have the memory in so I had to watch their website on Tuesday/Thursday (those are the days my microcenter gets shipment apparently) to pick up the memory at a later date but sure enough a bunch of memory came in that last Thursday and I was able to pick it up for free :)

Did the same deal, but I'm tempted to build a second rig with Intel 13900K. Could go for 4080 FE and 7900 XTX. It would be neat having both Intel + NVIDIA and AMD + AMD.

You're so lucky there, we don't have such deals in Europe

i got the r9 5950x for 500 (supposedly 800)

How do you like that bad boy by the way? I’m patiently waiting for the 7950x-3D. I’m very excited.

LTT lost any credibility long time ago. If you don't know why something happens it's usually money

Arm

Pentium Silver N6005 is probably where you want to look if you want x86 architecture with decent performance and minimal power

I'm not interested personally in CPU's over 65w. Between my giant mid range GPU and 65w CPU my computer room already gets hotter than I like. Really not interested in buying GPU's either that are going to draw much more than my current one.

AMD: Low Power consumption Intel: *Very* High Power Consumption

@@Ren_1106 since when is AMD low power? Have you seen the 7000 series?

You know who to thank for that!

@@johnnykeener3727 Yep, the Fed. You flood markets with that much cash... there's gonna be problems. Should've started pulling back 12-18 months ago. Hell, practically every central bank screwed the pooch on this one, infinite QE never works for long term economic health.

@@friedpickle9828 It's a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation. If the fed didn't do what they did. The recession/inflation would be worse. Just check out European countries.

@@johnnykeener3727 inflation is everywhere. Not just the fault of the current administration. Let’s not forget the initial push of cash was under the former and the gears and levers pushing us to this point were in motion long before now. It takes longer than 2 years to crash an economy. I’d say the deregulation and abolishment of Dodd-frank had more an impact on our current economic situation.

@@mrthesquid yes, I have to agree with you on the dodd-frank issue. Also, what about the repeal of glass-steagal? Such a horrible move to repeal a law that was a PILLAR of core financial regulation. Who in their right mind thinks its a good idea to allow commercial banks to participate in derivatives markets with consumer deposits?!? Like.. what? If it wasn't so stupid and dangerous, I'd be laughing.

For the love of God, compile some master material shaders in Unreal - that's where I want to see what is faster

I'd like something like that as well. I'm not really much of a gamer. I run photogrammetry software, namely Agisoft Metashape, pix 4D and things like that. It's basically 3D modeling and rendering.

That's why more competition is always better for the consumer. And why I hope that the Intel VGA cards are success as well!

We respect Intel much more now, but i will go with AMD this year because as a SFF builder, power consumption and efficiency matters…..

plus you can use some AM4 coolers on some of the AM5 cpus if they fit and have enough cooling power.

@@shadowwolf2608 you can use AM4 coolers on ALL CPU's, but it depends on the cooler. Sometimes the cooler interferes with the backside mounting hardware for the socket.

Yeah it sucks. If you want to upgrade it's basically a new system

Ryzen r9 7950x uses a heap less power. Over time you'll end up with a higher power bill with intel. That 20% to 70% extra power intel uses will add up.

It can actually be cheaper if you buy a new motherboard later. The same motherboard and memory might cost 3 times less in 3-5 years. AM3 and AM4 made a lot of sense because those boards were already cheap when they came out. That isn't the case with AM5 and DDR5 memories.

It would be such a bad move to make an x3d rn, it would make some other products almost obsolete for the price

@@john-paulhunt6943 I have not seen that anywhere. Do you have a source for that? All the news I have seen points to Zen4 3d V-cache coming q1-q2 2023

@@john-paulhunt6943 there is already a leaked AMD slide. It's in their roadmap.

I'm not buying the 7000 until the x3d comes out.

@@vmarcelo49 The 7000s are already suffering in sales, all things considered an x3d version might actually not be a bad idea sales wise. But I doubt they'll release it within the year (as in 2022)

I’m still rocking my 8700K, but I feel like it’s starting to be my bottleneck with my 6900XT.

@@X3Andy same especially with my 3080 but I got the shit end of the silicone lottery, my 8700k has been shit the whole time

Same, I still use my old 8700 rig, which I recently put a 4700 in with to replace the 2080 ( which I gave to my GF to replace her 970 lol ) and yeah definitely feel the bottlenecks there. My new 7900X I paired with a 4090 ( should of went with X3D really, but I do do some productivity stuff sometimes ) and although might feel it later on, no real CPU bottlenecks yet that isn't well over gsync range that I experienced quite a bit with the 8700, even with the 2080, and now 4070. I don't think you can really do wrong with what you pick anymore at the higher end.

People upgrade on 4 to 5 year cycles or even longer. By the time they upgrade they will need a new MB anyway, so backward compatibility of sockets is irrelevant.

Lol gamers nexus and hardware unboxed have shown there is no back and forth. AMD is 25% more power efficient than raptor lake. And 13900K can draw near 500 watts.

@dj Kplus Yea this is a good idea.

@@zeitgeistx5239 people don't care about power efficiency, they care about how fast the processor is.

@@zeitgeistx5239 Just that the people who are in the market for a $600/750€ CPU probably do not care for power efficiency.

And your socket isn't at its end of life, you're good through 2025 which reviewers seem to not talk about.

@@crittybity yep! and with x3d variants coming out eventually I'm good to go

@@crittybity AM4 isn't at end of life, plenty of reviewers have spoke about it, AMD have said AM4 is gunna run alongside AM5, this literally has been the topic of this summer when they said all of this at Computex.

@@lamartrey I was referring to the 1700 socket when I said end of life, I should have specified. But I didn't even know am4 wasn't at end of life! That's awesome news too me too!! I didn't watch the computex presentation, maybe I should haha

@@crittybity ohhh I get you now yea haha no worries! Yea it's staying for a few years, not sure how if they mean just by bios updates or if they're releasing new chips, but it will deffo have support! I'm torn atm because I'm on 12th gen and I feel like it's just been knocked out of the park with this gen 😂

already done that with my nephew and its great. both of us very happy.

Yeah me too but i go for the i9 13900k trust me it is also a beast. But it's really disappointing that there are no unreal or unity benchmarks

THIS! Especially for gaming. The 5800X3D still holds its own quite well on a lot of gaming benchmarks, even against the 79xx processors and the 13900 series. So give the 7000X3D a better base processor to work with and maybe even increase the 3D cache over last year (there IS physically more room to work with given the added height of the 7000 IHS to match the AM4 geometry...and you could have an insanely performant chip. Also, IF (big if) you are the type of person who upgrades the CPU often, you have longevity with the AM5 platform that you won't get with 13th gen. Not the consideration for everyone but imagine being able to use an 8000 or 9000 or 10000 series X3D chip on a motherboard you buy today....

Watch Hardware Unboxed's review, they include 5800X3D data and have more indepth thermal testing which covers issues JayZ didn't mention.

LinusTechTips released stats that show the new i5-13600k ($330) is overall much better than the 5800x3D ($400-440), except in specific games that can utilize the higher cache.

zen 4 3d will be roughly 20 percent faster than zen4

@@torporvasflam8670 I'll wait for the HU review (and GN), LTT doesn't exactly have the greatest track record as of late, especially with their end recommendations.

I've got a 13600k it's a bloody monster with DDR4 and slightly better with DDR5. Probably the best value cpu in years

Tested it on ltt, no difference between ddr4/5. Ddr5 is waste of money.

@@Topper_Harley68 it's slightly better nothing more nothing less as I said.

Gamers are funny and idiots. They never cheap out on CPU's or GPU's, but when it comes to their motherboard, they cheap out like crazyyy. Most errors and faults and blue screens are related to the...you guessed it, MOTHERBOARD.

@@xPhantomxify in my defense, I just use a 12100 CPU. I'm planning to upgrade in the future, hence the H670 board. I chose the board basically because 600 series ITX boards from the manufacturer I like is still out of my budget, so for the mean time, H670 is my choice. But yeah, I partly agree with you.

Owners of those will see insane numbers on power bills, I can guarantee you that.

@@Dancing_Riot 😑….with the energy “diet” the gouvernement want to impose on the population…

Especially when it comes to power draw and temperatures...

@@Dancing_Riot It will literally make the smallest of difference vs the last generation ultimately. Likewise they aren't that expensive to run if you take into account the fact your not (or shouldn't) be running your computer 24/7 period, certainly not at full load. This is for the average gamer and those that do things such as modelling and whatnot.

Regardless of who wins ????? Let me get this correct did intel not just win ???

yes, I got the 5800x3d a week ago and it's amazing! it's the best cpu i've ever had out of the box even with the potato ram i have. (the main advantage of the ddr5 over ddr4 is the bigger memory capacity for those that need a ton of ram, other than that, it's a no deal.)

same here, but im worried that they only release a 7800X3D and no 12 or 16 core Version

bought the 5800x3d 2 weeks ago .... so happy with it saved me loads of $$$

@@unbekanntername2023 they have said multiple times over multiple different interviews that there will be a whole range of X3D chips coming, the reason there was only the one 5800x3d was due to it being proof of concept, so i fully expect them to have a range of chips coming that are fully expanding the current range to completely dominate the gaming space.

Do u love huge Wang?

I’m in the same boat waiting for the new X3D chip as well as 4080/RDNA3 reviews. I don’t have any particular allegiance to either company, so if the X3D turns out to be the new gaming champ, that’s what I’ll buy. Hopefully, it launches by year end and doesn’t get delayed.

@@PowerPunch360 if it gets launched soon, earliest would be January at CES

@@JM-kn9dh You’re right, Wccftech confirmed it. CES isn’t too far off from December, so should be good.

@@PowerPunch360 X3D is a chip for 1080p it’s weak at 4k, 5800x3d performs the Same as 5800x at 4k when intel 12 gen beat both of them, if u don’t game on 1080p, or if Csgo is not the only game in ur life. Then don’t go X3D, it’s not a chip for 4k but for 1080p 1440p

@@zihechen3111 Oh? I didn’t know that. Thank you for the tip. According to Wccftech, there are two X3D SKUs coming out this generation; a midrange and a higher-end. Will be interesting to see how they compare against vanilla Zen 4. I’m not really in a hurry, so waiting for reviews should be a solid bet.

Yeah I’m running a 10900k and 3090ti. Really want the 13900k just can’t force myself to snag that plus a new MB and ddr5

I would wait till 14th gen. I also have a 10900K and think that the wait will be well worth it.

Same here, running 10700k, just wanna upgrade,, but i run my system in NZXT H1 so i need ITX board and these new boards in ITX form are hell expensive.

I upgraded my 10900k with the 13900k and ddr5 5600mhz. On Timespy(normal) i doubled the cpu performance from 11000 to 22000 points.

10850K here, really like how it can be tuned for low latency on high speed DDR4... 2080Ti should hold me over longer still due to DLSS so I might jump on a NEW GPU in 1-2 years from now, and will see how the 14th gen fares against 13th gen, or AMD for that matter given a couple years down the road.

There are barely any canned benchmarks for a lot of pro applications, that's what I specialise in and I had to make my own Autodesk (Inventor) benchmark tool to get stuff tested. I can test 3DS Max but with what scene, the results mean nothing to anyone as the scenes will be custom with no historical or third party testing data to compare with. The SPEC tests aren't all that valuable either as they're just viewport tests which at this point is testing how much faster than already fast enough does it orbit a scene. The likes of CFD is so niche that again nobody has created a standardised test for it, and on what suite, there's tons of them with little to no demand. It's a nightmare doing reviews in the pro area because of this!

This 1000%. Was going to say the upgrade I'll see is from the CPU, not from the RAM. I can always upgrade to a different RAM platform later on when it makes a difference worth paying for. Right now, it honestly isn't.

💯

With a phone & simple editing. You can still build a foundation on off time instead of watching videos. Create videos.

X3D/3D V-cache yaaass 👍

They are already out. It’s pretty much a equal or better than the 7700x for cheaper

Agreed! I currently have an older i7 9700 and have been considering switching to the 12600K since for gaming it seems to be plenty. I might hold off for the 13600K at this point and just keep that as long as possible.

@@zaka8315 well of course dude

@@zaka8315 and literally double the price

13600k is more than enough for gaming. 14 cores 20 threads in an i5. I remember days when i5 was mingling around with 2 cores 4 threads. Now, even the i3 will get 6 cores. All in all, 13600k will get the crown as the best CPU (not fastest).

Nice mid build

This doesn't need to be the cheapest alternative. Boards get over time cheaper and better. So if you want to upgrade in 5 years, it makes no sense to buy the most expensive system now. I really wouldn't think with future compatibility. The board you are buying now will be extremely cheap in a few years.

you are looking at something that may or may not happen. its better to just go for the cheaper option today

@@LaserXP101 AM4 lasted from Zen 1 until now, that's a pretty good track record..

They have to do something quickly. X3D and motherboard price drops need to happen quickly.

@@MakeSh00t And how important is blender? LOL unless you use your PC for only that. Intel owns AMD

@@anthonylong5870 intel most definitely does not own amd. yes intel wins 6/10 times but i wouldnt condiser that owning. the 3d will come out and stomp all competition so id still say amd wins overall plus am5 is brand new and will be used for the next 5 plus yaers sooo...

@@bobbycasler8370 And that will last for about 1 month until Intel drops it's next chips lol...

@@anthonylong5870 to me** sorry

Definitely not for intel since it performs better for the price. And definitely for amd the price inc is huge just because of huge performance jump over 5k series ryzen and over 12th gen.

@@gamertechlive1780 not really the 7950x is only $40 higher than the 13900k when you look at the actual retail price for the 13900k at $659. I do hope there are price cuts around the board though.

@@MrShad3s you also aren’t considering the prices of the platform. You can buy a z690 board with ddr4 and. It’s going to be a decent bit cheaper

@@StrixWar oh sure, but if you want full potential for gaming you need ddr5 with 13th gen. Hardware unboxed tested both and saw a good difference in several games. I also wouldn't buy a 13900k if all I did was gaming, seems like a waste of the performance it has. The 13700k or 13600k or 7700x seem more logical choices for pure gaming.

@@MrShad3s Even my 5600x is never going above 50% usage when gaming, though I do suppose that might have to do with the fact I have a 1050 Ti XD Maybe I'll upgrade to a 3060 ti, or maybe like the incoming 4060, or even amd might win me over with rdna3

People don’t know that because of the power draw people going for amd but they known for shuttering In games and Intel much smooth In games , u have to tweak the cpu to get more efficiency out of it

I think the choice is simple. This time around if you are the type of buyer that buy a system to hold on to it for 4+ years then go Intel, it is the better choice. However if you are the kind of buyer that always want to get the latest and greatest and upgrade every 2 years then AMD will be better due to the new socket being future proof for the next 4 years whilst the Intel socket is now on it's last generation so is end of the road, no upgrades in the future.

What I do is I wait for second gen of a new tech before buying. It can round out prices and increase stability. DDR5 and all that right now is first gen atm, so it's best to wait for the next generation of ryzen or Intel equivalent. On the Mac side for work I'm waiting for an M2 Pro. Same idea.

@@Danielle_1234 I have the same approach. Got burned before with first gen on almost any platform.

@Jetblox me to. same idea. I bought the rog gene for future proofing as well with the 6000 expo everything is ready to for the new 3d variant. i just wish they clocked higher than the 7950x i feel they throttle performance cause they want more people to buy the higher tear. but the less cores should allow for higher clock speeds or maybe not just my thoughts id love to have all 6ghz 7600x. less cores higher speeds i mean thermals are not the problem cause my 360 keeps it cool at 60ish for long gaming sessions no issue and is super easy to undervolted via curve optimizer shame really.

That is a BIG jump for paying for basics in living

I'd like having both intel and AMD systems

I never think i Need to upgrade until i remember how good newer gpu yield fps per watt..and how quiet they can get with a frame cap like 120 for single player/pve hack n slash n loot type of games. Ill probably wait until the AM5 X3D cpus come out to see how great they are at gaming, potentially going to be expensive. With hopes it may lower the price of the 13900k to 500$ when the X3D chips come round. Im not too vested into socket generation/support bc i have full intent on selling the system after 2-3 years...the same way im plotting with my current 5900x build from 2020. Either i sell my gpu and use that cash for a 4k gpu this q4. Or i sell the entire build and save up for a full 13900k or X3D am5 build when the time comes. Since i have a laptop and spare parts lying around that i could rig up as a temporary build/solution, if gpus are still hard to find in 6 months or so. Then when the new intel socket comes out i can look into that years down the road and sell the ddr5 build then; or double down on the 5900x and just stick with gpu upgrades. In your case you get to give the "old build" to your loving wife. Nice to see a family so passionate and into the same hobbies A gaming family sounds like a hoot. Kids growing up watching mom help rig up pcs for you. Great to hear it GL with the hunt on that upgrade/build.

@@anhiirr That's really awesome for you to say that. Thank you. And, you've got a really good point. Jayz video about the power plugs catching fire on the new nvidia cards has been hyperaware as well. It may be good to wait out the year and see if the industry does a big shift. I can't imagine people jumping on board of anything if the GPU' power connections are frying.

@@chrisrigas DLSS 3.0 Has my attention for warzone and cod DMZ though. Which is the tough part with those GPUS. Being able to play those games on a monitor then jump to a 4k tv with dlss 3.0 and a controller sounds pretty nice when the hunched/monitor posture gets fatiguing. And i want to bypass owning a console

AMD is expected to release the 3d cache versions of 7000 series so if you can hold out I'd wait for that. The gaming performance uplift was MASSVIE with Zen 3's 7800x3D

Looking at power consumption vs cost is an interesting metric. Good idea going to take that idea.

@@acidlaek I'm doing that too, but in reverse: I'm in the southern hemisphere, so my a/c cost is going to go up either way - which hurts less is going to be a deciding factor.

This year THAT is a really important thing to consider my friend! NONE of these testers (Jay, Linus, GN, Unboxed) have done an indepth of real costs in electricity for this performance. Maybe my 65Watt Ryzen5 2600 stays right where it's at.

The problem with letting your electricity bill decide mean you either shouldn't build a high performance rig or or you can't afford to. For those of us the are building a high-end rig then electricity cost is not a concern and seen for as the you have to pay-to-play situation. So we just accept that as we want to have the power available to us whenever. There's nothing wrong with keeping a lower budget. But if your electric bill is a concern then maybe you need to reevaluate weather or not a high power machine is truly for you.

@@davidd.234 or we earn our own money and spend it responsibly and pc gaming is not a priority? Trust me I have more than the budget but a computer equipment is not a high priority especially if what I have is still enough for my needs. I don’t understand why people have to combine the idea of spending responsibly with poverty lol.

Lisa sue stated AM5 will be supported beyond 2025, this means there should be 3/4 more CPUs for AM5 so 8000/9000/10000 series of AMD CPUs.

I always buy a new motherboard for a new cpu. Socket compatibility is nice when I'm doing budget builds and scraping together parts.

@@MrAkaacer That's fine for you but you're in the minority.

@@MrAkaacer idk man, someone could've gotten a modest AMD CPU years ago and today upgrade to the 5800x3D and see MASSIVE performance gains about on par with 7000 series for gaming. That's some serious value but it also isn't "scraping together parts" for a budget build. If you bought a good mobo in the first place you're not going to see a performance difference unless you're LN2 overclocking....

@@OGPatriot03 I'm kind in that situation now. Sitting on 3600 so considering my upgrade. 3600 --> 5800x3d --> 7000 doesn't seem worth it. 3600 --> 7000 makes more sense. I can upgrade to 5800x3d now, or wait maybe 6-8months for 7000 upgrade. For me, 3600 will hold for another 6 months or so for a 7800.

Makes me wonder about the technological advancements frankly. They release new CPUs every 6-12 months that are just 10-15% faster and edge out the competitor until the competitor releases something to eclipse it. I'm wondering if they release the new CPUs like that just to keep the revenue stream flowing and they actually have the technology now to release a CPU that's 3-4X faster than what's on the market.

@@rogersmith7808 I worked in the semiconductor field for 36 years, 10 years of it in R & D. We were working on 2 plus generations ahead of what was out to the consumer at the time. Like Jay and all the rest of the YTer's talk about TSMC 5nm processes, we were close to completion on 7nm and moving onto 5nm back as say 2000/2001. This was not on "CPU" product. It was more towards the auto industry with some cell phone applications thrown in.

@@ervingoss5442 Right, but were they just working on 2 generations ahead because that was the plan to milk consumers or did they already have the technology to be building 10 generations ahead if they wanted to?

yes it feels fast

on every new system, things load fast and very responsive, once you start clogging the O.S with too many crap and installations, things get slower, but it will still be fast enough for everyday use. Intel or AMD, both are great with this release.

VR "gaming" hey. Don't worry, VR porn will work fine on any system bro.

yep i think amd will kick intels ass once they release a new x3d cpu for sure cause thoes things kick intels ass i hope they release one soon and intel will be foreced to make a new cpu to compete with it im not using intel anymore cause amd is more about consumer minus the issue of them killing the standard threadripper cpu

@@billyhatcher643 yea but amd won't release a xx3d now . Q1 2023 possibly . And meteor would be bigger gen leap from Intel

And so will the price. 🤯

nah, they wont do it, otherwise no one will want to buy their flagship chip or people will make fun of it saying it cant compete with previous generation chip bla bla which backfire

Yeah. I'm going into wait mode on the new X3D SKUs to see what comes of it. Especially if I go with another custom loop system.

Just dropped a 5900x on a x470 motherboard, set the voltage to 1.10....and still is blazing faster (CAD drawing and 3d rendering ) compared to my 2700x. So you are correct ; )

Between cars and PC’s, yes they are.

save the money, wait for x3d before you pull the plug. 2 reviewers are saying you're gonna loose more on your electric bill going intel atm seeing they pull more power than an overclocked 6800xt

Yah 12th gen runs hot so I’m not surprised 13th gen runs hot. My 12900k with a 360mm aio hits about 90-100C

Might also consider a 13700k

@@StrixWar Watch HUB review of the 13900K. Even with a 420mm liquid cooler, it still thermal throttles!

But it's "tech wars" on a higher budget. It's not like either of these cpu's are cheap in price. Hell, you would be spending close to a thousand for just a cpu and the mobo alone.

@@spankbuda7466 the new 13 gen i5 is like 400 euro and its actually really nice value if you can snipe it at sale for like 330-350 your set with a really good bang for the buck

@@spankbuda7466 i would actually recommend saving up doing a i5-i7 becuse i it would still be ok in like 4-6 years imo

Dude I got a 7950x with a balling asus board and damn it's fast

I was thinking about the exact same but I'm probably just waiting for a 7950x3D before making the jump!

Yes! Competition is always great for us 🙏🏻

Nah ur set wait 5 years and buy the best cpu you can for dirt cheap and get nice boost in performance and new life to the system sale the old cpu and be more then fine for years to come

No complaints here with the X3D.. I can play any game with full settings. I play Civ6 a lot and wow what an improvement against my i5-4760.

having 1060 6gb and 2600 also looking to buy 5800x3d for me tho i dont money to build new am5 setup

Very wise. Even a 5600 or 5600X would have done the job as well depending on what you do.

Love my 5800x3D the cache is great for 1% lows keeps those higher & great for badly coded games like pubg as well you will love it as well happy gamming.

You people upgrade your gaming PC's way too fast... You can easily go 7 +/- years with each gaming PC cycle. Stop worrying about not being able to run Cyberthrash 2077 on 4K max settings anymore, just for your a e s t h e t i t c s needs. Stop undervaluing your CPU's. Stop this fear of missing out or the need to have the newest "toy" (CPU) or close to the newest.

5800x3D is what you need, not a new platform. Plop it in and away you go.

imo the insane power-hungriness of Intel's CPUs make it an instant no for me. AMD's zen 4 is a decent upgrade to zen 3, and seems to be the most consistent CPUs, not throttling at all

Newegg says out of stock, so likely a placeholder. Even if the price doesn't drop right away, still cheaper than 7950x. If intel's poor value at that price then so is amd.

Intel never releases the retail pricing. They release tray pricing (the price to purchase 100 CPUs without packaging). I am surprised that no one publishes this anymore. It is just one of the tricks they use to make their products look better than they actually are.

@@mattk6827 nope 660 is the price the price jay lists is tray price. so the title didn't age well. 40 bucks lol

Yeah that would be interesting to see if they have any.

I imagine when AMD will pull out a 7900x3D it will demolish Intel

I don’t think that Intel has anything that can beat the 3d series. The 5800x3d is able to trade blows with current gen Intel so I imagine that 7000 series will crush the ks series easily

They won't they are in finance trouble

@@fs5866 Yea but then Intel will just release 14th gen 3 months later lul

@@haskell3702 don't care 🤷🏻‍♂️

Agreed, they seem to be doing this to compete on leaderboard performance, but the high energy use is going to hurt..

I don't understand all this power consumption whining, at least about the CPU. If you want lower power consumption you just put around 80w limit and still get around 95% of performance. Is it that complicated to do? Or is it just laziness? There were many videos and information about how efficient the new CPUs are and how much faster they are at the same power usage. For now I don't care how much power it draws, I want absolute maximum performance. But when I will care I can set limits and problem solved. On the other hand, if AMD / Intel will design next gen CPUs for lower power usage, including motherboard VRM and all other tech, you will be happy, but I am not because I can't force CPU to use more power and get max performance, it's not designed to do so. I hope it will stay the same and the manufacturers will just spend some time and money to teach people how to set lower power limits in a few clicks.

I will pick Intel 13th gen (probably 13600k) because DDR4 RAM and Motherboards are cheaper. For me value is a big positive.

@@Torrrero You're going to to have to explain to me where I was whining. I merely said I wasn't thrilled at the prospect of the industry pushing higher power consumption to get higher performance given the ongoing economic situation and that I'd much rather have a stronger focus on efficiency. Nothing I said should warrant such a defensive and at points confrontative attitude. And you should probably also take a moment to reflect that such concerns don't have to be apply stringently across the whole portfolio. Nothing says CPU manufacturers can't strive for as power efficient as possible CPUs in the low-, mid- and high-performance tiers and STILL offer CPUs with greater powerlimit tolerances for the enthusiast consumers/OC afficionados. Me and you getting what we want isn't a mutually exclusive zero-sum equation.

@@Torrrero AMD Zen 4 is what gives you near 90% of the performance going all the way down to 65W ECO mode. But this misses the point really. The point is these CPUs, other than the 12900K and 13900K use only a fraction of their all-core load power during gaming. The 12900K and 13900K are pushed too much, and while that helps their gaming performance it hurts power consumption during gaming, so if that's your main workload then yes if you buy THOSE CPUs you probably do want to turn them down. For any of the AMD CPUs you only need to use an ECO mode if you're running all-core loads or you just don't like the idea of how the CPU works even though the design is perfectly fine, which is a ramp up in clock speed until some temp sensors hit about 95 C. However that doesn't bother me because it doesn't add up to much heat in the room, because a SINGLE sensor or two hitting that heat is a trivial amount of die space. You take a hunk of metal that's a 1 cm cube and heat it up to 95 C and you don't notice it heating up a room. You take a hunk of metal that's 1 meter cube and heat it up to 95 C and now your room is an oven. In other word if I don't notice it heating the room I don't care. AMD is using TSMC N5 which has about 2X the transistor density of Intel 7A, so a single core heating up to 95C isn't as much area. If AMD would add more ECO modes I'd probably use it. Like for their 105W TDP parts if they had an 85W ECO mode and 65W ECO mode that would be nice. And for their 170W TDP parts they should have 150W, 130W, 105W, 85W and 65W. If AMD did that I'd buy the 7700X3D and set it at 85W ECO and be quite happy about it.

theres not much difference

i was about to say that this has already been done but AM5 is brand new so id like to see it too

There isn't. But of course it's never smart to put a i9 CPU on a very budget motherboard. The power delivery would probably overheat.

I don't think it's worth it simply because the results would be microscopic, what you'd be probably be looking foward to a motherboard is "Features", how the motherboard responds to eletrical failures, safety features, better CPU management features, acessibility, and over all that the price, at the end you'd have results like "well, X for intel is the best one, while really expensive it's worth it, and any AM4-AM5 mobo is pretty much the same but the cheaper it is, the less protection you'd have against some problems that may affect you in the future"

So long as it's the same gen, there is no appreciable difference between motherboards unless you're planning on overclocking. More expensive motherboards are capable of overclocking and doing it well, while cheap motherboards sometimes are not capable of any sort of overclock.

Changing platforms is often cheaper. For the money you pay today for AM5 and DDR5 memory, you can buy in 3-5 years 3 of them for the same price. Future compatibility is only cheaper if you change your cpu and ram frequently. Most people wait 5 years before they buy a new computer. In that case it makes no difference.

340W is absurd. It's time for ARM CPUs to show up

thats nothing :D ive pulled 400w :D

How hot did it get? Cpu and mobo?

@@schtickmangaming2264 There's a full review on my channel showing graphs. Motherboard was a MSI Z690 Force Wifi

@@CVLova I think it could ever go higher, the 340W was delivery to a completely stock CPU with zero overclock or manual voltage bumps. But I think we're possibly about nearly reaching the ceiling there on what even 360 AIOs can handle

I have a 1080ti from evga!

@@TheHippypimp well had one as well. Sold it in the big GPU crisis to a friend of mine because he needed one. Loves the 1080ti FtW3 silver one. But at the moment I own a 3070 XC ultra and a 3080 ti FTW3. So all good for now but with next gen after ada it's time to upgrade again.

@@aqulex84 i wanted to get a 3080ti but I'm short on cash. So looks like I'm waiting for the 5th gen or another 3 years or longer. Well see how well the 1080ti holds up

@@TheHippypimp yeah. I'm a Simracer so I'm always short in cash because of that hobby 😅 but at least I always have great hardware. Can't pay bills or buy food but hey. At least something I guess

@@aqulex84 im into a little bit of everything! Lately its been season 27 on D3 or foxhole

on my side of the world and how importing works, it always is whatever is not taxed to heck and its available.

Same… “what does Best Buy have that I can put together today and be gaming on a new system by tonight “ is my mentality sometimes 😂😂

swear to god, it's going to be 2024, and we're STILL not going to find good reason to upgrade to win 11

@@AC3handle Intel alder lake and above is a pretty good reason tbf

@@AC3handle yeah cause one update is the reason..

@@AC3handle I tried 11 earlier this year, after a month I switched to Manjaro Linux. Last week I needed to use a Windows machine, so I formatted and loaded 11 again, after 1 day I formatted and loaded Windows 10.

I have a Dell XPS 13 9310 laptop with an Intel i7-1185G7 CPU and 32GB RAM. This last Windows update slowed down my system as well. It became noticeably slower right after the system rebooted after the installation. For the life of me I don't understand what these guys are doing with this system. They take something that's already reliable and works well and with which everyone is satisfied (i.e. Win10 after many years of bug fixing and stabilization) and upgrade it to a new half-baked UI and move the settings to some new absurd location... and to make matters worse, as a bonus, they make the entire system slower. They already did that with Win7 (which was a great OS) after launching Win8 with that avangarde UI (that no one asked for), and they're doing it again with Win11. After 3 more years of stabilization, when everything finally works well and everyone gets used to it, they will launch Windows 12.

Same. The difference between my old CPU is wild! Last time I upgraded it was back in 2014-5

You made a good decision for that price. You won't need a new CPU for a few years unless you're really trying to squeeze out a few FPS and you don't give a sh** about the cost. Lol

That's a steal

I did something similar. When the 5000 series were on big discount shortly before the 7000 launch, I replaced my 5600X with a 5950X. That system is gonna last me a good long while now, I think.

I got mine for something like 500 CAD$

Yea it's good to see people like you to remind me that I don't need the latest and greatest. I always get caught up in it every 2 years upgrading. I'm running a 5900x /3080ti which will realistically last me for another 3-4 years.

The rat race really has become too expensive to keep up. If you bought a 3000 series video card a little over a year ago for twice the marketed price, then the new video cards are a slight. And although the combination of the effects of the pandemic, scalpers and crypto miners hoarding the cards as well as the big generational leap in performance is unlikely to happen again soon, chances are that the 5000 series cards are going to bitch slap the 4000 series cards as well. It's just not worth spending 1000 to 2000 dollars on a graphics card that might be obsolete in two years time. And the same can be said about 500-700 dollar CPUs. As a 1440p gamer I'm also at a point where while I think the performance of all this new hardware is pretty cool, I have zero interest in upgrading because my current computer runs everything more than fine. I might think about it when the games I play start becoming problematic, something I don't expect to happen the first 3 to 5 years.

i agree i just got my 3900x for 220 used on the market and i love it man, i dont plan on upgrading for anytime soon, but hey if i can snag a 3950x or 5950x and get 16 cores for a decent price i will upgrade because i do game design and video editing but hey i dont need it but i can sure use it, but i dont plan on switching from am4 anytime soon!

I'm still on the R7 1700 and RX 480 (8GB) for my 1440p rig. Probably going to upgrade to the R7 5800X3D (my motherboard supports it just fine and it saves me a ton in memory etc) For you though that CPU would be a side grade. More cache will help in spagetti code, more cores in multithreaded heavy execution code, and higher frequency/IPC in anything else. In your case I suggest just waiting and upgrading to AM5 when prices comes down a bit. There's no rush.

@@Mustang1984 Running the same. Going to the i9 13900k just to build an intel rig then chill for 6 years or so lol. Gonna be my 1st custom loop too.