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Interpreting Rachmaninoff's most radical music for piano (ft. Alexander Kobrin) 

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Celebrated pianist and Eastman Professor Alexander Kobrin joins tonebase Head of Piano Ben Laude for a look inside Rachmaninoff’s enchanting, electrifying, and enigmatic Études-Tableaux, Op. 33 and 39. Be part of the conversation and submit your questions about these “study-pictures,” among the most radical works Rachmaninoff ever conceived.
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Комментарии : 83   
@josephgranata13
@josephgranata13 Год назад
I was so thrilled when this conversation was announced last week. As a pianist I’ve probably spent more time thinking about/delving into these etudes than all the rest of my repertoire combined. I’ve come to the understanding that these etudes constitute a “third testament” of classical music (in the framework where Bach’s WTC is referred to as the Old Testament and Beethoven’s sonatas are referred to as the New Testament). It’s a lot harder to find insightful literature - whether academic articles, forum discussions, master classes, or expert talks - about these etudes than it should be, considering their musical value; it’s so wonderful that this conversation, which really does cover all the bases, is now part of the permanent record and so widely accessible.
@zamyrabyrd
@zamyrabyrd Год назад
Maybe the Apocripha is a better term than 3rd Testament.
@ulysse__
@ulysse__ 9 месяцев назад
Just look up « rach op. 39 scholarly articles » on Google and you’ll find a dozen of 100-page articles delving into the details.
@khangmapiano
@khangmapiano 5 месяцев назад
@@zamyrabyrdIt's the Qur'an of piano literature lol
@darkstudios001
@darkstudios001 Год назад
That Rach etude is certainly a gold medal performance
@benlizon
@benlizon Год назад
such a illuminating conversation. we’re very lucky to have access to content like this
@Cardstacker
@Cardstacker Год назад
Well this was perfectly timed, tomorrow I travel to Charlottesville to hear Alexander Malofeev play the Op. 33 set. I have been listening to it dozens of times in preparation and have grown to really like these etudes, more and more with each listen. Thanks for the outstanding presentation, tonebase!
@AldenHardaway
@AldenHardaway Год назад
Oh whoa, I might be going to that concert too! I'm not Ben but I work for tonebase too :)
@Cardstacker
@Cardstacker Год назад
@@AldenHardaway awesome 😎
@christopherdew2355
@christopherdew2355 Год назад
The incomparable Alexander Malofeev! Let us know what you think of his performance.
@MyPianoArchives
@MyPianoArchives Год назад
@@christopherdew2355 I’m sure it’s safe to say it’s going to be exhilarating. A young giant of pianism.
@christopherdew2355
@christopherdew2355 Год назад
@@MyPianoArchives I'm sure it is safe to say. And lucky you to be going. Enjoy!
@jleung728
@jleung728 Год назад
Wonderful! Please do more of these ‘deep dive’ sessions!
@daffyduck4195
@daffyduck4195 Год назад
4:30 To stop along the way to smell the roses will only end up missing the departing train.
@SherryGrant
@SherryGrant Год назад
Extraordinary! Thanks for streaming this. So beautifully played… love all the comments in between pieces. Many thanks from New Zealand!
@earthheaven101
@earthheaven101 Год назад
Murray perahia’s op 39 no 5 is sublime. The pp section!
@organicmangos
@organicmangos Год назад
Nice video! Kobrin is a great performer of Scriabin, looking forward to a video discussing him!
@jbg_music
@jbg_music Год назад
This was awesome, thank you so much!
@jeremygwynn
@jeremygwynn Год назад
Just when I feel I couldn't possibly love Rachmaninoff even more...
@mvmarchiori
@mvmarchiori Год назад
Great content, as always. I'd love to have asked him what is his favorite recording of the two sets :/ Thank you tonebase team and Ben and Alexander!
@barney6888
@barney6888 Год назад
I take my hat off to anyone who can play through these works at half speed, never mind interpret them.
@evezhang2076
@evezhang2076 Год назад
Thank you so much for the excellent presentation ❤ love Russian piano poetry
@eldanizalakbarzade883
@eldanizalakbarzade883 Год назад
Thanks a lot for the video! It was an absolutely amazing journey through all Rachmaninoff's etudes! Btw I always admire the fingering written by Rachmaninoff in op.39 no 3:)
@msh1348
@msh1348 9 месяцев назад
I attended his concert in feb 23 in dallas Texas. He is a player beyond belief ❤❤❤❤
@Torebordalpiano
@Torebordalpiano Год назад
I think it's safe to add that Op 39 no 7 is based on the theme of Op 33 no 3 no? Sounds so similar, and is in the same key.
@BjornHegstad
@BjornHegstad Год назад
opus 16 no 3 is the piece Kobrin references.
@jeremygwynn
@jeremygwynn Год назад
It's very interesting because the musical seeds are almost identical but they go off on opposite directions. Whereas the op 33 is ultimately hopeful, the op 39 is firmly rooted in despair. I've always seen the op 39 no 7 as rachmaninoff looking back on his homeland with sadness-- even though he wrote it before his exile. A funeral March, then the Russian choir, the steady beating of the rain, then a climax of Russian bells... poignant but heart-breaking
@jamesmccombe6269
@jamesmccombe6269 Год назад
What a wonderful tour and generous teaching from the Maestro. I’ve loved these Etudes since I was a young boy
@BrassicaRappa
@BrassicaRappa Год назад
I love these pieces. I've never been completely happy with a recording, but it's such a wonderful adventure discovering something new in each interpretation. If only I could just magically be the best pianist in all history so I could figure out exactly what the full potential is here. lol
@josesouza9820
@josesouza9820 10 месяцев назад
Informative, dry and technical discussion.
@edithgarcia1966
@edithgarcia1966 Год назад
Tonebase is the best piano 🎹 program that I know
@remuspierre7573
@remuspierre7573 Год назад
good performance
@nandovancreij
@nandovancreij 2 месяца назад
still returning to this video monthly as im learning some of op. 30 :)
@jwilliams8210
@jwilliams8210 Год назад
I was struck by the line "I was always trained to have a perfect idea of the tone before you touch the key.." One more reason this gentleman plays so well! As for Opus 33 #3 I believe that section is actually in the same key as that section right before transitioning to the 3rd movement of Opus 40.
@ThePainist
@ThePainist 3 месяца назад
That's why he didn't publish it, he wanted to use the theme in the 4th concerto, hence the reduction.
@PM_ME_MESSIAEN_PICS
@PM_ME_MESSIAEN_PICS Год назад
can't wait to hear him live playing the op 39
@alexanderh9569
@alexanderh9569 Год назад
anyone else hear a tiny bit of the presto from chopins 2nd sonata in the op 33 no 5? Especially the very end
@TomD67
@TomD67 Год назад
Is there any way to re-edit this to make the sound and video come more into sync?
@nandovancreij
@nandovancreij Год назад
i feel that but i cant think of an easy way
@TomD67
@TomD67 Год назад
@@nandovancreij I think most video editing software has separate tracks for video and audio. It _should_ be possible to shift the audio track to match the video better. But the original recording needs to be of a nature that supports that... Anyhow, the lack of sync is distracting from the very good content of this video.
@nandovancreij
@nandovancreij Год назад
@@TomD67 i mean yeah obviously u could download the entire thing but i dont expect anyone to do that
@TomD67
@TomD67 Год назад
@@nandovancreij I was hoping that Tonebase might see this comment and consider re-editing the video.
@nandovancreij
@nandovancreij Год назад
@@TomD67 would be very helpful
@MyPianoArchives
@MyPianoArchives Год назад
Love this video. I’ve listened to all the Rachmaninov etudes, hundreds, if not thousands of times and they still each hold their value to me. Every person see a different shade or voice differently. Giving endless possibility for artistic taste due to the multiple voices/ lines that aren’t always brought out. Piano is so badass.. and Rachmaninov is simply the king (and Liszt is God of Music.) I’d say Chopin would be the prince haha (not the artist, but an aristocrat.) The perfect trifecta (all in my opinion, of course.)
@ttrons2
@ttrons2 Год назад
The energy of youth.
@dreamsdreams9493
@dreamsdreams9493 Год назад
What would be the picture behind op 39-1??
@lucajack007
@lucajack007 11 месяцев назад
I've seen multiple say they hear "the crashing waves of the ocean" or a rough sea of some sort
@zamyrabyrd
@zamyrabyrd Год назад
Question, if I may - in what language did Rachmaninoff write to Respighi? Thanks.
@paulybarr
@paulybarr Год назад
Good question. Rachmaninoff may have had some Italian, but Respighi was a brilliant polyglot who could speak and write in eleven languages. He had also studied and played principal violin at the Russian Imperial Theatre, also studying briefly with Rimsky- Korsakov. So I think we can safely assume that Respighi spoke Russian!
@zamyrabyrd
@zamyrabyrd Год назад
@@paulybarr Maybe in English?
@javiertw89
@javiertw89 Год назад
Am I the only one who thinks about a train in op 39 4? At the end I imagine the train arriving at the station and stopping.
@musiclassic1
@musiclassic1 Год назад
I can't find the painting op. 39 no. 8 was based on, anyone else found it?
@Sujkhgfrwqqnvf
@Sujkhgfrwqqnvf Год назад
what is the name of the painting?
@musiclassic1
@musiclassic1 Год назад
@@Sujkhgfrwqqnvf road through weeds supposedly
@alexanderkobrinmusic
@alexanderkobrinmusic Год назад
The painting is “Road in the Rye” by Grigoriy Myasoyedov. The painting for no. 7 is “Self-immolation” by the same artist.
@musiclassic1
@musiclassic1 Год назад
@@alexanderkobrinmusic Super, thanks very much! PS, where did you find out it was based on that?
@alexanderkobrinmusic
@alexanderkobrinmusic Год назад
@@musiclassic1 I don’t disclose my sources :)
@MichaelClark-zc7ht
@MichaelClark-zc7ht Год назад
UGH the sea and seagulls is sublime, I’m working on it now
@theflyingphilosopher
@theflyingphilosopher Год назад
What edition is he reading from?
@AlexAlguacil
@AlexAlguacil Год назад
looks like Dover
@DougMaverickTube
@DougMaverickTube Год назад
Dude, the E minor prelude was awesome. I’ve always heard Chopin as ‘sung’ even playing it on piano. Maybe all music is meant to be heard as ‘sung’?
@drgongspiano7839
@drgongspiano7839 Год назад
beauty
@markmcmillan4233
@markmcmillan4233 11 месяцев назад
1:38:00 1:41:00
@sualee890
@sualee890 5 месяцев назад
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@lilskrrtyeet5528
@lilskrrtyeet5528 Год назад
1:26:30
@dreamsdreams9493
@dreamsdreams9493 Год назад
I have been practicing Op 39-1 for five months, and I have achieved little progress. I feel frustrated because my hands are not big enough to cover the jumps. Any suggestions??
@lukeehrkepiano5061
@lukeehrkepiano5061 Год назад
I've been working on that one recently too, and here's what I've found out: - try out many different fingerings. Some fingerings will feel great when practicing slow but totally unreliable at proper tempo - If you have smaller hands, don't even attempt to use finger legato in the right hand (It's kind of a waste of time anyways, since that the pedal will be used most of the time). There are some places where most hand sizes can get away with finger legato (for instance, the 7-tuplets on the 3rd page). It's really not necessary however, especially when the R.H. pattern requires finger crossings. - Forearm rotation is essential in the R.H. in order to avoid exhausting your fingers. In fact, most of the R.H. motion should come from forearm rotation and lateral forearm movement, with relatively little finger action. Be very deliberate about how you use your elbow, shoulder, and arm weight. ***For clarity, by forearm rotation I mean the turning of the forearm from the elbow, as seen in this gif: i.imgur.com/5yUSfzU.gifv I hope this helps, good luck! Send me a message if you want further explanation or other advice :)
@dreamsdreams9493
@dreamsdreams9493 Год назад
@@lukeehrkepiano5061 Thanks for your wise suggestions. I quit the piece...it just didn't fit my hands and it is bloody difficult. I will focus on preludes Op 32 in Bflat minor and in Aminor. Although they are quite challenging and intricate, they are not as complicated as Op 39-1. Have you ever played those preludes?? What could you recommend?? Thanks a lot.
@lucajack007
@lucajack007 11 месяцев назад
​@@dreamsdreams9493op 39 no. 8 is the goat
@rogercarroll2551
@rogercarroll2551 Год назад
The E-flat minor of Op 39 is Wagnerian.
@tobiedavis8841
@tobiedavis8841 Год назад
Not at all! 😳🙄
@samaritan29
@samaritan29 Год назад
nah more like scriabin
@bethany3242
@bethany3242 Год назад
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