INTERVIEW: Bishop Stephen Zondo refutes allegations of power abuse

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From allegations of sexual abuse to financial exploitation against church members. These are some of the harrowing allegations against the leader of the Rivers of Living Waters Church, Bishop Stephen Zondo. A number of former members of his Evaton-based congregation in Gauteng approached the CRL Rights Commission with grievances. The Commission held hearings on the accusations that include rape and murder. But the accused church leader Zondo says he is innocent. Saying his church has been targeted by the commission and former members. Zondo spoke to our reporter Maageketla Mohlabe at the church office in Evaton, in the Vaal.
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@siphenathimanyaba1910 3 года назад

A true pastor would never deny the existence and definition of a cult.

@nompumelelothwala6573 3 года назад

There is no way he doesn't know what a cult is...

@pakalithanqephe6149 3 года назад

A bishop, with brunches internationally? He do not know a cult?

@justinamusyoka4986 3 года назад

He simply admits he doesnt know satan is in churches,so why is he a Bishop in the first place ? Aren't christians in warfare !

@deeptalk4557 3 года назад

I agree, that really threw me off

@esahm373 2 года назад

Christianity started as a cult offspring from Judaism and Islam started as a cult offspring from Christianity and Judaism!

@kingdomqueensministries6603 3 года назад

I like the interviewer is very proffesional and he is allowing him to expose himself. The body language speaks volume.

@spmavimbela7094 3 года назад

He is So Arrogent this Bishop Man,I'm judge not But their All about themself

@beckyphala5436 3 года назад

People need to stop expecting every interviewer to present a feisty approach. It's the probing that matters

@thembinkosiluwalala5518 3 года назад

In this case editor is over powered by this guy eg when he ask question he hardly look at his eyes thats what makes him so arrogant

@nonelemakubalo7907 3 года назад

I like the interviewer, he allowed him to talk, when a person talks too much there's so much revealed about him..

@nompumelelothwala6573 3 года назад

That's so true.

@slindilengema2212 3 года назад

True

@seimela 3 года назад

That's what I have noticed

@keisengramagogodi5369 2 года назад

He said he doesn't know what a cult is...but on the other hand he says Rhema church is not associated with cult because the leader is a white. "LIES"🤣🤣🤣

@Thukza82 3 года назад

Send Malema to interview these Pastors then you will see flames....

@voyimzimkhulu9138 3 года назад

Lol Politics and church how do they meet

@Sylvester826 3 года назад

🤣

@ntsiki_badela1451 3 года назад

Or Leanne

@lungelofoxxy8038 3 года назад

Search 13 feb 2013

@williamkwake274 3 года назад

Malema must depose the ANC

@jannychissico3852 3 года назад

When he said he doesn't know what cult is, that was a big fat lie. Even if you do not do cult but you will still know what is it. And as an old African man you know a lot. after this I didn't trust anything he had to say.

@mosesntsieni9607 3 года назад

Deflection, Arrogance, Playing Victim, Body Language. He knows!

@Tebz47 3 года назад

Body language? How does this work

@andanengahassani4155 3 года назад

True...he seems restless

@lady_sits 3 года назад

Spot on!

@tshepisomaduwana4611 3 года назад

You said it much better. Just the body language, and arrogance, yoh! Haa!

@suemoganedi9354 2 года назад

I like the interviewer, calm and collected. He acts very professionally and maturely. Listening is a skill, especially, listening to a person who controls the minds and emotions of the masses. The idea is to let the guest speak.

@thulisaninyathi8860 Год назад

You do have facts Zonò

@phumelelakhawula2796 Год назад

brilliant

@francklesha3400 2 года назад

Really the way I see this man is very much proud and arrogant. We need a spirit of discernment in our days many deception around

@bongekasenatle2816 3 года назад

This guy was not the right person for this interview. Zondo overpowered him

@ngwanawamobu8990 3 года назад

he was scared😂😂

@simphiwemasiza932 3 года назад

@@ngwanawamobu8990 He looked very uncomfortable, remember Zondo uses snakes, and a lot of dark things, and you can not interview such people without being strong. Poor SABC anchor was made to look weak, nervous and he was made to look like a lightweight.

@everydaywithtebogo7515 3 года назад

Right..... What a poor interview. I think he was scared.

@victormkhaliphi4991 3 года назад

Nothing about snakes and phony powers here. The interviewer is simply inexperienced. You can tell because there are no proper follow-up questions to dig deep into this guy's answers.

@thembinxesi3091 3 года назад

The church is under persecution

@bitsangabi9785 2 года назад

He is not serious. He thinks he is clever but he knows in this heart that whatever is being said here about him is very very true

@preciousnqula 3 года назад

This is what is sad in South Africa... Who has bewitched you... Listening to this man I can see the agenda of those that hate the Church.

@IshmaelSokabo-uz4rg 2 месяца назад

People indoctrinated in these cult churches always speak like this because they have not seen the light

@Visiblem99 3 года назад

No this is not a race issue its a moral issue

@hendrinahaikwiyu8149 3 года назад

Do you think someone will admit that they wrong? Of course not

@gabriellamula 3 года назад

This guy is being defensive . We can already see he is guilty

@DuchessofKuvuki 3 года назад

This guy is a crook. He's lying.

@wisdom7119 3 года назад

Any man.. White, black, yellow??? You are in it for the money... Just admit it!!!

@mojakijohnylesupi472 3 года назад

You are really lying we are not doing for money

@fluidgang9720 3 года назад

you go start yours and eat money like them ,,or don't you want

@evaforever7026 3 года назад

Where is Debra Patta!!???

@sunshineyears 3 года назад

eva tshabalala poor interviewer this guy,

@mihlayonkephilasandejele8627 3 года назад

Debra woulda dismantle this Zondo guy

@thandukwazipeterlukhele9899 3 года назад

he's guilty he's guilty and his time is up!!!!!!!!!!!!he's body language speaks volumes!!!!Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin!!!!!

@AudioBibleinaYearPlan 3 года назад

He says "the one that I follow!" Doesn't the one he follows have a name?

@TimothyOtengMokoka 3 года назад

That also raised eyebrows for me. He didn't even mention the Holy Spirit as the one that causes congregants to fall or manifest when being laid hands upon. All he did was play victim and deflected questions by racialising and politicising this interview. Conducting this interview was pointless, makes one to wonder why he even agreed to it anyone, why the SABC only and why not afford Newzroom Afrika, eNCA and other news outlets the same privilege? I'm glad Solomon Ashoms has covered him extensively through his exposés of "charlatans"

@Lynnmots 3 года назад

Exactly.. Am shocked.

@saviourj1 3 года назад

The man just suddenly changed and became angry. It's like something took over😂😂😂😂

@ernestmudau2004 3 года назад

He's lying and he doesn't even know how to lie. Bishop noo man

@poppymoiloa9890 3 года назад

🤣🤣🤣

@lukholoranelo7551 3 года назад

But between your statement and his he can win 😂😂

@watchingthehawks355 3 года назад

Now he know the meaning of cult but he disputed not knowing what's cult.

@jekwuchukwu1121 3 года назад

What do you expect an acult and stark liar to say when caught in the act

@karebulouws4379 3 года назад

Anyone with common sense who listen to the questions carefully itself, can be sure jealousy and gossip is the reason for this insults or the root of the nonsense.

@curiousk4083 3 года назад

He's not my Bishop nor l follow him. Jesus was betray by his own fellow man. Now he is the only one who is wrong? Amen to his members and church, why now? I hope this will end well and his testimony in Christ.

@gistorndlela3548 3 года назад

Bring the Lady and the Bishop in the same room..ask the questions you will see a different side of the story. this people cannot just tell such shameful things done to them for no reason.

@sasonelben-ahdam6292 3 года назад

They can ...

@MatebaneWilly 3 года назад

No Smoke without FIRE

@tonderainebvuma7030 6 месяцев назад

that is a clitche' favoured by weak minds

@gabenza854 3 года назад

What kind of pastor does not know what a cult is?

@HellenR70 3 года назад

He is full of himself

@AMINAH5916 3 года назад

Exactly my question

@watchingthehawks355 3 года назад

If he don't know cult why did he preached about devil?

@maryjaneswartbooi2447 3 года назад

He was running away from having to answer more on that topic.

@watchingthehawks355 3 года назад

@@maryjaneswartbooi2447 but he will not run away if ask to discuss about offering tithes and sawing seeds.

@folashadethomas5568 3 года назад

Even the man doing the interview didn't believe him

@mancobamabuza922 3 года назад

I hate it when we use the race to debate on biblical principles. If Zondo claims to be the Bishop that he says he is, he ought to know that racial segregation doesn't exist in Christianity. SABC must respect us next time, don't bring immature "investigative" journalist for this type of interviews

@thegreatdimatteo5481 3 года назад

There can't be a conversation without pulling a race card? And this is becoming a norm when we want to shy away from accountability. The way he looks agitated and uses that to scare the reporter away. He's tactically composed I must say

@imasinnerwholovesGod 3 года назад

Wow i liked it when he explained about RDP, its true we dont need to only wait for the gvt to sponsor us. As for other allegations angazi solinda i court.

@eudymakgamatha8136 3 года назад

You are going down Bishop, we know your operation.

@thapelolengana 3 года назад

But this has nothing to do with black and white church

@nalamaq5777 3 года назад

Believe me it does

@tebohomotaung5987 3 года назад

It does

@Sarah_M84 3 года назад

This Zondo is a fake, there is no truth in everything he said

@fullnessoflifeinchristbibl6093 3 года назад

You are doomed sir

@isaiahxaba3489 3 года назад

Eina!

@YIked807 Год назад

Our people have this pull me down mentality, they will do anything to see everyone struggling.

@nicolendlovu1140 3 года назад

When he said I'm not from Heaven then this was it.

@nathanaelbartholomew 2 года назад

even Jesus was from Nazareth

@theghost8011 2 года назад

@Nicole Ndlovu are you from heaven?

@thabileradebe751 3 года назад

His lying you can see in his eyes and body language

@motloungsasha5579 3 года назад

"Come on, use your kop"😂. That's Bishop for you

@staffmashale8468 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂😁

@thabsilengcobo4880 3 года назад

I smell percussion and South Africans needs to pray like they've never prayed before

@justinamusyoka4986 3 года назад

Persecution or awakening?

@cleodontina1 3 года назад

Persecution or prosecution? He is being held accountable for his crimes. Huge difference!

@sam_llungu8461 3 года назад

Formula One....why did you take someone's wife to a hotel? Cheat!

@vthomas2482 3 года назад

😂😂

@mahlodielesbie798 3 года назад

He said mosadi wa jewa

@refilwelegae4575 3 года назад

2020! What a year! And all its fake pastors!

@tonynze7346 3 года назад

This interview calls for a spiritual minded person not a carnal one. He was simply hypnotized and defeated.

@ronniemasamba4801 3 года назад

He is a narcissist who likes to be in control .You only need to see the duplicity exhibited by his body language which is contradicting his words .

@gloriakapfu 3 года назад

See the anger speaks

@muziwesley5250 3 года назад

That little smile after the question'have you ever have sex with persons in your church,says it all

@bitsangabi9785 2 года назад

Yes it also shows pride and arrogance. He enjoys so much when he is asked that question

@sam_llungu8461 3 года назад

He does not even believe in what he practices.

@erisherm.8451 3 года назад

True. Maybe Samkele Maseko

@gospelallthewaymlilo5783 3 года назад

@@erisherm.8451 Samkelo is very weak, maybe NewsAfrika journalists

@iang.pinetownkzn8489 3 года назад

This meeting needs to be held on neutral ground... not in this man's building... civil hall... meetings...

@velibrown7904 3 года назад

I do not see a point of this interview, they expected him to confess to say that he did do these things that he is accussed of, I just think it's a publicity stunt on SABC part. There are enough witnesses to take him to court and possible be arrested for his alleged crimes. Interviewing serves no purpose.

@nataliefelix8706 2 года назад

It does because u can tell alot by his body language

@velibrown7904 2 года назад

@@nataliefelix8706 And then what, body language cannot be used in a court case to pin somebody.

@tonderainebvuma7030 6 месяцев назад

what body language is that yu trying to talk about

@mabhodlelajj1195 3 года назад

he keeps pulling race card to escape crc allegations he is facing.

@siphelelemthembu8379 3 года назад

But they are alligetions they haven't proven otherwise

@happymokonyane5492 3 года назад

How is this interviewer doing the interview..?

@sasonelben-ahdam6292 3 года назад

Cult ... 1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.... The word cult can be broadly defined as "formal religious veneration," "a system of religious beliefs and its body of adherents," "a great devotion to a person or idea" as well as "persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure ... .... If this is what Cult means ... What's wrong with it ?

@tebogogladystladi7129 2 года назад

The interviewer ask about the oils What about the oils used by the catholic churches?Most of the churches use other things and it is Normal. We will not live the church. Respect our religious as well as our cultural beliefs.

@kegomoditsweeniodunmo8410 Год назад

We give willing, Pastor

@thembyn686 3 года назад

This man is very rude he needs a very strong interviewer oky

@yimina_uqobo 3 года назад

He needs Malema😂

@mphaemaserumule8163 Год назад

He only needs Jesus

@RealTumi 3 года назад

I think the journalist must tell us how ke felt during the interview.

@lady_sits 3 года назад

Yes please 😂😂😂😂😂

@andanengahassani4155 3 года назад

If only Xolani Gwala was still alive Zondo was going to be cooked by intense questions....May h8s soul rest in perfect peace but these are times when we need such inteviewers who are unapologetically factual...

@kgomotsoramasodi4527 3 года назад

Gary Nel please intervene

@andileluvuno4988 2 года назад

No pastor in his right mind does not know a cult or the meaning thereof, it is only those who are apologists and participators thereof. The Bible says we must be beyond reproach.

@shayizandlamamba530 3 года назад

The oldman outclassed the kid. He was an apprentice

@gaolatlhesegaetsho2208 3 года назад

Zondo hypothesized this interviewer and took over. Look at the eyes- spirit of anger takes over. What is that Zondo double at 9:08? No mention of Jesus. Motlhanka wa Modimo must quote Jesus as his advocate

@mimimini5643 3 года назад

I noticed that too..with black and red glasses🤨

@SallyTabs88 3 года назад

Lol yall know too much

@kuhlemragala9745 3 года назад

Yhoo am hurt.. I was church goer in his branch here in East London.

@gloriakapfu 3 года назад

He is possessed. Can you his reaction

@pastorbdlamalala6428 3 года назад

Bishop zondo I like ur respond nd I hear you very well

@DEEDZ135ify 3 года назад

There's no black church or white church...There's only one Church, the church of Christ

@somnandizwidetv 3 года назад

Really, r u telling mi u dont get what Zondo is referring to or u r stack on yo belief that he z running a cult, in this world even Jesus is not the same in christianity

@sunshineyears 3 года назад

Where do they get this interviewer though?

@kgomotsoramasodi4527 3 года назад

He need Gary Nel, Zondo not this young guys

@mightylove 3 года назад

They should have asked Solomon or Ricky to interview this guy. It was such a weak interview.

@magorata2355 3 года назад

So true ..Ricky in particular.

@gabriellamula 3 года назад

Ricky should have done this interview

@marcostacosmphepo4610 3 года назад

Ricky and Solomon doesnt kn anything about spirituality ......

@magorata2355 3 года назад

@@marcostacosmphepo4610 Then you have never listen to Ricky on his channel if you have such a mentality. Yes Solomon i can agree. Not Ricky...Ricky shoots with scriptures

@MalindiN223 3 года назад

No the should have asked Lean the white lady. She was going to nail this..

@apostlepetrosmunyoro6416 3 года назад

I just question why all SA church leaders are being accused ! Let this Bishop be.

@AudioBibleinaYearPlan 3 года назад

Nope, not ALL SA Church leaders are being accused. A few but certainly not all.

@namhlatetyana7737 Год назад

Certainly not ALL SA church leaders are being accused. Certainly not ALL!!!!

@quantumforexsa88 3 года назад

This guy doesnt know how to conduct interviews, this interview needed someone BETTER & INTENSE.

@hendrinahaikwiyu8149 3 года назад

True, he is supposed to do a better job

@thabangmolebatsi6682 3 года назад

Indeed

@funananitshivhase2984 3 года назад

Bishop Zondo is not arrogant, that is how he is 🤣🤣🤣🤣,the interviewer just turned a discipline, ke Matla ntho ena🤣🤣🤣🤣you must watch he's preaching then you will get an idea of how to ask questions to the Bishop, Bishop is serious comrade guys🤣🤣🤣, #zondonotguiltytillprovenotherwise

@lucritiamathumo5199 3 года назад

Zondo is not a pastor if so he could have told the interviewer what a cult. He can't deliver people from evil not knowing what a cult is ,it's sounds very funny a pastor saying so.

@sinqobilesthenjwa6898 3 года назад

But the question should have been "have you ever had sex with a church memember" not sexually use.

@loveyours4685 3 года назад

He is not the Zondo I know. He has pride and arrogant

@bulelwahlongwa6284 3 года назад

Bishop ♝ zondo you are talking sense

@cleodontina1 3 года назад

You mean nonsense 🤣

@LephotoAlbert 3 года назад

People who're judging aren't even spiritual but they could see wrong and bad.....like I don't really understand how people get to that point.....but lemme shut up.....

@rubzatrytry8459 3 года назад

Evil man ever, you can even see his attitude

@apostlentokozo8484 3 года назад

"Use your kop"🤣🤣🤣

@gaolatlhesegaetsho2208 3 года назад

He was hypnotyzing the interviewer

@mathapelomamkhonto4975 2 года назад

This man if u could look him through his eyes his guilty straight his just denying the truth

@enoughnow9169 3 года назад

What makes me sick is these kinds of self appointed churches and prophets claim to be godly just because they drop the name Jesus how sad,

@thembinxesi3091 3 года назад

I here this self proclaimed, self appointed terms, who appoints in the church.

@emilysopeng9577 2 года назад

@@thembinxesi3091 can I ask what about traditional healers or sangomas who appoints them to be...

@gilbertmadondo1452 3 года назад

@10:00,the CRL must be held responsible for breaking families and pain to children of embarrassed parents.

@thembinxesi3091 3 года назад

That has been the purpose of creating CRL from the beginning to go after evangelical churches. The other big evangelical churches are to follow, you will soon hear them questioning Tithes and riches in the church. The mentality is that the church must always stay poor to be a real church. Oooh CRL let's see where you will end. I amm still waiting to see the you bringing the Mainline, catholic, Zionists, Zcc to CRL.

@maitelebepakoma167 3 года назад

It is obvious he will deny.Its a rule deny deny deny!!!

@ernestmudau2004 3 года назад

Body language says it all

@lesediprincebanda3925 3 года назад

So Zondo hypnotizes congregants and inhales them🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣? This guy

@keshebileonekbmorwe3163 3 года назад

He says he wants to be inhaled too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@gloriakapfu 3 года назад

He need an anointed interviewer. His eyes are threatening. He said is your choice.

@thembajusticechabalala4085 3 года назад

I see Satan against christenity in the world. Taking the world or rulings people life.that is why intend of guiding our pastors the whole world .not a particular group but every person's in the leadership. Let's avoid to detroy others in name of freedom. Placing traps to leaders regardless from which organisations they belong. All this interviews for me are true reflection of how certain groups of people were raised.

@msizimlu6861 3 года назад

We need to investigate Nana Poku now he thinks he is a bully.

@alicemamogethimamokgethi6266 3 года назад

Ohhhhh yes that Ninja😂😂😂😂😂

@loratomothudi4985 3 года назад

"In the bible those were the church practices" .... he said in the bible he didn't give specific scriptures. Stay woke.

@Fhhdvhfghgfhtrdgrd 3 года назад

Stop this madness. Such arrogance, people need to stop putting these men on pedestal. The power given to them defies logic.

@tsokho_tube 3 года назад

No one will touch this man he is the only one who can beat himself devil will never sellout himself he is gentle man!

@tebogogladystladi7129 2 года назад

People can be jealous. The Rivernites will not live the church because of the hear say

@bhekadlamini575 3 года назад

There's is a lot of bushuris in this country bt ke qhubekani niye emasontweni alabantu nizobona bese nibuya nizosbangela umsindo la ngathi kukhona umunt owaye nithumile yeses mani

@luciateffu9608 2 года назад

I would like to know what is red, yellow and green oil used for in his church

@msawenkosisam1279 3 года назад

South africa journalist are always running after south African prophet. You should deal with boshiri, Nana. All this people need to be investing

@msizimlu6861 3 года назад

Yes Nana Poku is Next we need to knw what's app with that guy.... He also thinks he is a bully here.

@wilsonmaiwashe3430 3 года назад

Yes is true I'm verry cross

@mahlodinorah487 Год назад

Inconsistencies that I never came across even if it can be said it's in a black church. But when Jesus was praying fr pple, they never fell. He never even interrogated the demons.ore will still be heard

@Lynnmots 3 года назад

"The one I follow without a name" am crying now. With the wisdom how could a pastor doesn't understand the word "cult" My house is my church

@dineotshepomcklein5673 3 года назад

I just hear Emmanuel Makandiwa style in his voice...but then his body language fails to send a message in his desired way. " Music in the background is hypnotic"

@SindiLebajoa 9 дней назад

Yah ,ba mofihletse,Amen

@fullnessoflifeinchristbibl6093 3 года назад

I stand with you zondo south africa is the nation from the devil

@mutalegym4655 3 года назад

You right bro

@mablemkula4016 3 года назад

Ai this country maan this is very sad

@faniemonteiro317 3 года назад

This Crooks existe because the people makes that possible

@110enockkhoza8 3 года назад

Where in the bible does the holy Ghost says use oil to heal or pray for water to heal the sick?

@khoaremonica1692 2 года назад

You just exposed yourself that you dont read your bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 read the book of James then will take it from there

@thandowadada9067 3 года назад

I don't understand bishop....he said he does not know the meaning of cult...not even a sotho meaning...I see only defensive and arrogant...maybe I'm wrong