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I am also proud of this person improving themselves. but then reality hits when you see how much fear they have inflicted upon these idols. from poisoning, kidnapping, tracking phones/locations, stealing belongings, hating/bullying, excreting, hurting, assaulting, stalking etc. its so easy to say 'i was a saesang', but so easy to forget what the description entails. truly horrific acts were committed that have permanently scarred idols. we don't forgive haters, but how easily do we forgive the ones that take hate/obsession/love to a whole new level. saesangs perform crimes and normal people would be jailed for years. is it enough for a saesang to switch off one day and for people to praise them?
Yeah honestly like with the amount of information they can find and just dig up is very interesting to me. Sure, it's bad that they can find so much info about idols, but it's like a decent skill that can help out in investigations and shit like you said.
Y/N be like : Oh oops just met their manager- Ooops! I slept with a member whoopsie daisy.. Oh no I live in their apartment for some reason hahaha! I'm so bad at this- Oops I got married to all of them....
@@tamannie2175 I think they meant not being able to interact with them clearly, or even be their friend. I get what you're saying and I'd also feel that way if I wasn't so broke :')
y/n stands front and center of the audience, undoubtedly gaining the attention of at least a few members. however, despite spending hundreds of dollars to go, she looks disinterested and pushes her glasses up and tucks her hair behind her ear and she turns the page of her Harry Potter book, of which she has almost memorized by now due to reading it so many times
I know, it really scared me how much she sounded like me in the beginning 😲 Just someone who is attracted to idols and wants to find out more about them, and then spends more time looking at videos of them than studying...it sounds like a slippery slope
yup. also easier to see with airport crowds. they all say they'll be respectful and give their idol space, but as soon as they spot their idol they lose control, run towards the idol and form crazy mobs
- We are broke - If we ask our parents to send us to korea, I will get a slipper (imma asian) - International fans are mostly multifandom - We love our bed - We are broke - We dont get obsessed Never a saesang
It's making things worse actually.. They would take things to higher level like they had been injected with chicken blood.. Sasaengs think that they've a chance to be with their idols..So they'll do anything to make their idols notice them.. Maybe they would stalk their idols' partner and threaten them.. In the worst case,a murder will be attempted.. *somehow,I just wanna pull them into a room and lecture them for hours until they learned their mistakes..but if that doesn't work, IMMA BEAT THEM WITH A PAN TO GIVE THEM SOME SENSE*
Of course she is lol. You don't need to analyze her body language to figure that out, considering she was completely anonymous, had her voice changed, etc. etc.
About the dating thing, there was a reason no one got mad over One Direction members having girlfriends, because they only see them as normal guys allowed to have relationships
True as a directioner I can confirm but then again I saw so many fans hating on their gfs and comparing them to the girls they wanted the boys to be with
Hum, no, I heard about a lot of teens going crazy with the news. K-pop industry has more obcessive fans, that's true, but don't pretend that in the west that didn't happen. There was that movie star who comitted suicide and the next day the number of suicides among women raised by a lot in the XX century. I don't remember who he was, but I actually talked about that in a History class, so it must have been a big deal. Justin Bieber with Selena Gomez... Etc...
That's mostly true. Right now, entertainment companies have built the image of their idols being just for them. Which makes these fans really possessive and they might feel entitled to control their celebrities choices. If entertainment companies stopped branding idols as perfect dolls and started branding them as humans there would be way less sasaeng fans and probably a better educated fandom.
They do, that's been confirmed by 2nd gen idols who are talking about their dating lives. But they are supposed to keep it private and act single and devoted only to their fans so that fans can become obsessed, spend a lot of money, and think they might have a chance. (International fans less so of course, I think that's why a lot start shipping...)
I almost became a sasaeng fan. My information obsession was getting bigger&bigger. I wanted to know more, and it felt like you never stopped feeling hungry. So I realized it's wrong. It really is. I left the sasaeng community and I just want to say that: Most sasaengs are incredibly insecure. They have issued in their life this makes them obsessed. I am not proud to come out with this, but at least I changed.
These saesangs should become investigators or something. I just feel like they have a way of getting information without being too obvious if the reasons. They're just smooth with talking and can read a person just by looking at them. Ya get what I mean.
That would depend. I mean, they may be that good at finding stuff about this particular idol but they may not be inclined to find stuff about another person. Though if they're that good at gathering info, they rlly should consider being an investigator and just get motivated by money instead of "obsession" (sorry for lack of better wording)
@@shrutis as long as you are happy, money is not everything... goodluck to you... And becareful for living alone... I've been living alone since I was 19... Don't trust anyone easily... take care
Anyone else who isn’t romantically attracted to their idols?? I think they are talented, beautiful. I am physically attracted to some but I don’t have any actual romantic interest for the them. . .I just like their music and personalities
When I first got into kpop I was solely into it for the music and really didn't find anyone attractive. Over the years, I have found some idols physically attractive but I don't want to date them.
Yeah me I love them like a fan loves their idol - not more I don't want to date any of them, I don't mind fan service (like showing abs, I'm like: "c u t e") and I don't just like them because of their looks (what I love most about them is their personality and talent) (I have something like a celebrety crush on an idol but that's it, I don't want to date him) All I want is them to be happy:D
Finally found some people who think like me.....I'm so happy about it that I'm not the only one... I cant even imagine myself sometimes and some dilusonal fans literally comeup with thier theories and fantasy.... Like man how u do it????
The idol industry itself is so problematic. Companies objectify idols as imaginary boyfriends/girlfriends and exploit fans for lots of money. Idols are never considered as humans but layers of personas for fantasy. Stop the dating ban simply won't help, because it doesn't sell well. We should criticize companies/capitalism more than judging possessive fans (except that saeseng is illegal) Thank you for this video!
@Alexandra Ledesman bullshit. They dont live in war torn third world countries run by militant tyrants. They dont know the definition of miserable. They're just entitled.
@Alexandra Ledesman I totally agree with you. I personally know people who are addicted to K-pop merely bcoz they want a form of temporary escape from the problems they're facing in life, mostly emotional issues. I even had a friend who was extremely addicted to K-pop bcoz she used to feel very lonely in real life.
@@choutzuyu8915 actually the josh dude would kill her because quote unquote 'i love her and she knows that, but if she disregards that and dates some other guy i don't have another choice but to kill her'......it's just going to propel his rage and jype really really REALLY should take more action, this guy is really scary
@@violetissleepy oh i commented that before he said those horrible words... the whole situation is so dangerous and scary. I cant imagine how Nayeon feels like, we must protect her at all cost the best we can
I know a fansite owner, and she told me that she was surprised at how accurate the drama Her Private Life portrayed the fansite life (except the whole "working with your idol" part ofc)
I know a top seed. She's not crazy, but definitely obsessed. It's a pure hobby out of their own time and A LOT of money, but they get recognition for it in the end, and are MUCH closer to the idol than any other fans. The idol even gives presents and makes requests to them.
@@Uatemydoodle that is true! They dedicate all their time to the group, but the idols definitely know who they are. I remember she told me that when a member hadnt uploaded a selca in a while she would write in the fancafe 'i wish *** would post a selca' and they would almost always post one right after. Many fan site owners know about comebacks and tours before theyre even announced too
i wonder the same thing! People tend to think that fansites are the same as saesengs. But i'm really curious tho, what's the thin line that makes the difference, and like do they have a job? If so, how do they follow them around to every country and stuff? Idk it seems so difficult to have a personal life and being a fansite at the same time
reasons to never be a sasaeng: -firstly they literally hate saseangs -you cause the stars that you apparently love so much stress -huge waste of time and money -realistically it’s very unlikely you will date or befriend them ever. In conclusion love them from a distance like the millions of true fans, its not that hard.
It’s not impossible to be friends with them and it’s fine as long as you don’t go crazy other them, treat them like humans too without putting them high up on a pedestal
If you really wanna get to know them THAT much, why not just volunteer your own contact info instead? It's loads better than doxxing and stealing their private info.
If the “top seeds” love their idols so much then why do they give the idols information to a sasaeng knowing that the idol would not approve of what they are doing
I'm a fan, and a little obsessed, but I don't become a sasaeng. I think that most of us have that mental line that we don't cross. We know that we won't become girlfriends, etc... with our biases. We know what's real, and what is a daydream.
We are all humans, I think the most of us on the earth have addictive personalities. Whether that be obsessing over someone and some things. People. Substances. Food. Fitness. Anything really, it's possible to fall into that hole of obsession. Some can control and have stability. Some can be really stuck into it and don't have stability in there life/mental state
Flavored Potato chips I agree. I honestly think it can hurt a person in either positions. But for those who are into that deep state of mind... I hope that one day they can realize that they are doing something very wrong and possibly want help. I hope they get the help that they need and strive on into the right path. It’s never too late to change for the better.
I think she's talking about kai from exo man. I remember watching exo dance practice for Mama and wolf. Kai really stood out. And they were all wearing name tags. And he dated krystal from f(x).
Most sasaeng are really rich, that's why they are able to be one in the first place. Just imagine having to commit to being at certain places, be it concerts, fan signs, fan meets, travelling and so on. Just hoping that these sasaengs will be snapped out of it and will not cause harm either to the artists, the people in their surroundings or most importantly to themselves. Thank you for another interesting content!
I wonder how rich you have to be to not be one of the sasaengs who have to work for their stalking money, but not rich enough to have the connections to get a parlay with their objective. Are we talking "0.1% but not 0.01%"? I wonder where the distinction is.
Watch a short documentary on saesangs (saw it long time ago on youtube). These saesangs, some which are underage actually prostitute themselves. They're not "rich", as in they come from money. In fact few truly do come from upper middle class and above. Yes, sometimes prostitution makes "a lot of money", but prostitution is prostitution (taking in mind the sever side effects on one's mental health & happiness) and that's not being rich . So, there's nothing to be jealous of.
This made think like they can "have everything", they need something that is actually hard to get. For me normal people we need to work or get education but maybe those thing aren't that important because is not that hard to have. I dont know if i making any sense but wanted to comment that 😅😊
Not true most of them Have a way of manipulating or bullying to get what they want. There was a famous story about how some underage sasaengs would do dirty stuff to cab drivers so that they could follow these celebrities around all day without having to pay the cab fair.
@@sugakookie6130 in general. Im always watching body language and here it is focused on her hands and you can see when she feels uncomfortable, etc. Her hands are very honest. If you are wondering I believe she is telling the truth.
imagine being an idol, having to face these fans. knowing someone is watching you, following each of your moves. they are already working so hard to make us fans happy, but in the end there are those fans.
i'm smelling kai. _nametag_ tHey had nametags in their past performance my brain cannot remember _dated a girlgroup member_ could either be jennie or krystal _really great dancing skills_ aIGHT.
@Berfin Y. it can't be daniel because this was posted 6 months ago and might have been filmed months before that. the news of daniel and jihyo dating was only 4 months ago
Wow this words "no matter how much money you spend following that person, nothing changes" 😂🔥 edit : omg thanks for like, and why in this coment people get in fight, chill dear.
Bangtan Bae yeah its true tho! To me, listening to their music, purchase their music on itunes, buy their albums, go to their concerts, app votings and support them would make signifincant changes rather than being a sasaeng 😉 also it doesnt do harm to the stars hehe 😃
Amy Yasmin That doesn't make any "significant" change, either. At least not to *your* life. I'm not saying we shouldn't support our favourite artists, after all, it might bring you a lot of joy to do all that, or allow you to make new friends. But let's be real, these idols are the ones benefitting from whatever time and money you spend on them, not you. You help them make their dreams come true. But what about yours, if you have any?
Mari have you ever attend any concert? Not just idol’s but music classic concert, other bands, and so on. The people attending will have benefits too. Thats why they spend their money in the first place. To be entertained. Just like you watching some tv channel. Pretty sure will benefits the actors as well, but you wouldn’t mind right?
1768ALFA As I said exactly in my comment, "I'm not saying we shouldn't support our favorite artist (...)". I do buy albums, attend concerts, etc. My point is that spending all our time and money buying albums and merch, streaming music, increasing the views, voting constantly, etc... is definitely more positive than being a stalker, but it's not going to improve as fan's life that much. It's like having the possibility to drink soda or apple juice with your lunch every day. Sure, apple juice might be the healthier choice, but the truth is, the healthiest would be to have water most of the time, and only drink that juice from time to time. But I'm not here to judge, I'm not doing better than others. I'm only talking from experience and from witnessing other fans, and I definitely have wasted my time/money/energy pointlessly at times in my fangirl days. It's important to invest on oneself.
I'm a fan like a superfan of EXO. When I was still studying. I am that obsessed fan who thought she can marry her bias. But along the way while stanning EXO for so long, I started working and face the reality. I've been having a hard time in my job and choosing careers. I realized I've been doing nonsense things and spending money too much on KPOP, not that I regret it, I love EXO and they've been part of my childhood and the reason why I was able to get through life struggles. But I just realized that its been too much already. And I think I need to focus on myself already. While your idols are having the great life and career they dreamed, I realized I'm still right here. Eventually, your idols will lie low to the industry get married and have family. And thats reality. so right now as I aged, I'm not that kind of fan anymore whose world revolves around them.I have my own life too and will continue living my life while having EXO as my inspiration. 💕
Well said. Buying all the merch and constantly trying to be a great fan is draining. They keep getting successful and living their dreams and we're out here trying to pay bills and move up in our jobs. No one is cheering for us the way millions do for them honestly. Not to sound rude. I agree with you.
I'm glad you realized that. I don't know if you listen to BTS at all, but they have a song telling the fans to live their lives and stop being so absorbed with them (Pied Piper). I wish some people in our fandom actually listened to that message, sometimes they go overboard. Good luck with your jobs, I'll root for you! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Thinking its baekhyun around 2017, I remember a korean I was watching who talked about sasaeng behavior in kpop that exo and bts are the most popular in korea but exo has more another level sasaengs than them becuz bts appear as cute boys to the public and fans, the reasons they dont have as much crazy sasaengs.
sozayas yeah, and if you decide to spend your money on a celebrity, that it’s to support them as an artist. Not to try to get them as some sort of twisted entitlement
Hearing about how she became a ss fan is actually quite scary, I always thought that they were like that from the beginning. I think this type of video is something all Kpop fans should watch as a way to make sure that we never cross the line and to recognise the warning signs of it.
I think people can use anything as an escape from reality or their own lives....drugs, sex, video games or fantasy of being connected to a famous person. It's all an escape route into a better world in their heads. It's not like this world is a wonderful place these days...so a lot of people escape through fantasy. People want to be important and loved. We should practice more love towards everyone.
This is pretty much what I said, but judging by the difference in likes, people prefer your more relatable layman's way of putting it xD while I throw out scary words like "mental illness" "psychological" "obsession," etc. 😅 Although in the replies, I did say that it's possible the ridicule they receive pushes them further into their escape, their fantasy world. I can relate to that. When life gets tough, I have to fight myself really hard not to give in and avoid my problems in books or video games or both. Unfortunately, these people don't seem to be able to distinguish fiction from reality and the lines between right and wrong are blurred for them...
"Money was never a problem to me" Sana all. Edit: woah. Napasana all na lang talaga kayo no? Hahahahaahhaahah. Edit2: salamat sa like mga lods hahahahahaha. Sana all talaga no. Sana all may pambili ng albums, sana all may pambili ng skins hahahaa
@@choutzuyu8915 "Sana all" is an expression commonly used by Filipinos nowadays. Its direct translation means "hopefully/wish everyone was", but when used in a sentence, we kind of mean "hopefully/wish I were too". We use it in situations wherein we adore/envy something/someone. For example: Red Velvet's Irene breathes and is praised for her beauty. When I say "Sana all", I mean "I wish I was as beautiful as her". 😊😊😊
Right when her voice came out it freaked me out XD thank you for such an interesting interview. Some interviews performed wonky but I like your after-commentary inclusions too
Her before becoming a saesang : I enjoyed watching a lot of youtube videos when i was bored. Meanwhile me : Spend all day watching youtube videos.. *Nervously sweating* WELL DAMN ° ^ °
When I'm bored(every day cause of quarantine) I draw on apps watch bts run eps on vlive watch there performance on mubeat roblox or watch Logan paul chases by fans in vidcon-
wow ... i really love what she said at the end about what she learned from being a sasaeng , or her advice for all current and new sasaengs.. i guess this sasaeng experience even made her a better person from that point on.. btw i think i can guess which celeb she was chasing after from all her description hahahaa.. anyway thank you KScouter for this interview , love your work as always !
Repeat after me IDOLS DON'T OWE U ANYTHING. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL LIFE. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE IT'S THEIR LIFE. WE CAN'T BE "FRIENDS" WITH THEM ACCEPT THAT.
I completely agree with you except for the last part, since celebrities are people like us they obviously have friends (just not with obsessive fans) and I have 2 trainee friends, but I get your point
even using the word "idol" to describe them is questionable. like, it puts them on this pedestal and makes them seems superhuman in a way, when really, deep down, they're just like us.
No no, you got it wrong, we CAN be friends with them, they’re humans too and we shouldn’t think they’re on another level than us even if they’re famous.
I apologize for not being more clear in my comment. I was pretty pissed when I wrote this😅 I meant we can't force anyone into being "friends" With us.. Be it anyone and that includes idols.
*When a celebrity has a dating scandal its a reality check for everyone, that idols in fact do have personal lives that we are completely unaware of . And although we are happy for them, it's still comes as a shock because we basically built this one sided friendship/ profile of them and think we know them in an out. I'm glad she had a wake up call, and this was a positive side affect of the news. Although in many instances fans start boycotting the group and fansites start to close and the idols start losing support. She wanted to be the idol's friend/girlfriend and many fans fantasize that, and this goes to show that it's not all that healthy. Some fans even develop this want into just getting attention or recognition, whether good or bad. This then leads to sasaengs harassing their idols. If you really do love someone don't hurt them this way*
I think it's slowly changing. For example, now media says "dating NEWS" instead of "dating scandal". Step by step, it's changing. When it was revealed that TWICE's Momo and Heechul are dating, a lot of people started supporting them. I think that's a good sign. Also, Momo's fansites didnt close but started showing her lots of love and support. I think that's a real fan, when you enjoy their music and like that person but you know the limits. I hope more dating news come out so idols dating gets more normalized!
This is why I hope kpop stars become more open towards relationship with their boyfriend/girlfriend.this could atleast stop some delusional fans who think the celebraties can be their boyfriend/girlfriend
Agencies don’t allow this because they’re suppose to be “pure, innocent, idols” like they’re suppose to be untouchable, which is why the kpop industry is pretty toxic in and of itself.
@@AlvinaYunoa yes and even idols say that they wanna date their fans and their fans are their gf . These kinds of things encourage a fan to think that their idol is their bf which is really disturbing. And i think it's the reason when any idol date. fans start to hate their partner. I am also a kpop fan but at a point of time i start thinking that its too much. Thank god i came to my senses and stop watching too much videos related to kpop😅😅. Its just too much. Kpop agencies always try to show how pure their idols are, when in reality they are just like every human. No need to think that they are the only persons with good personality. Apart from this when fans say that this x idol wife/gf will be so lucky... This thing really pissed me 😬🙄🙄
One fan tried kissing BTS suga, another tried leaving an airport with BTS, another hit suga. You say Sasaengs don't harm idols, but it terrifies them. That's literally harming their privacy, and personal life.
I'm from first gen kpop fan, and definitely multifandom. One thing I've notice that most kpop group sell illusion of boyfriend/girlfriend- that perfect doll-like boyfriend/girlfriend image. To people that live often away from reality that's feeding their fantasies that one day their idols would see them and marry them. It always cringes for me to hear idols saying that their fans are boyfriend/girlfriend or say that s/he only need fans' love. Stop feeding those crazy people with unrealistic dream- and actually being honest that they actually need a private life.
confirmed. the company often uses image like "boyfriend image" to appeal young teenage girls, who isn't able to differentiate reality and fantasies. the company, the show like vlive, fanservice, hitouch, etc etc continuously feeding girls' illusions as if they (or we) can marry him. that's why companies put dating banned for idols in the early debut. it's the company who actually disgusts me the most, the idols can have a life he wants. he was trained for years and even suffers anxiety/depression after boosted to be mega star. idols at least deserves to made up the time life they lost as trainees
@@jjongwol the worst of it, because those fans spend so much money on their idol, they actually believe that they own that idol. lately i started to think kpop become so stale because idol becoming cookie cut roles. the silent mysterious visual, 4d alien, sweet angel, matured leader, the savage ones, the happy virus and the bratty maknae. Why every group composed by premade concept characters? Where the individuality?
I think anyone with a bad mental state can become a sasaeng - it's an obsession and an escape from reality at the same time. Kpop, with the amount of content and some of the practices, makes it really easy to get sucked in and then you add in the community aspect to it. I'm pretty sure that a good percentage of international fans would be sasaengs if they had the opportunity, even the ones that look down at people. These people need help and a firm hand - it's literally stalking.
"The biggest problem in the idol industry is the objectification of the idols" As a business student, I know that the main objective of a company that is not an NFP(not for profit) organisation is to 'earn profit'. But most companies tend to ignore the values of ethics in business. Idol agencies objectify their artists by portraying them as imaginary boyfriends/girlfriends with their dating ban and all. This gives the opportunity to 'fans' to fantasize about their fav idols which is unhealthy and leads to what we know as 'sasaengs'. And in turn, companies don't allow their idols to date because once they're taken they are no longer 'desirable' to certain populations of 'fans' and that means less money. The best solution would be to give their artists more freedom and respect their private lives. Yes, there will be backlash at first. They will lose lots of money, but if it goes on it will become the norm and people will eventually stop caring about it. That way, 'fans' will stop looking at them like a piece of meat. You see, when you judge an idol by their looks, you were never in it for the music. Anyway, this will filter all the obsessive 'fans'. And people will actually start caring about their music and talents. The things that actually matter. This is for all the idol industries including J-pop, C-pop, etc., not just Kpop. I remember when former AKB48 member, Minegeshi Minami shaved her hair as an apology for being caught dating. That was really upsetting and I actually liked her. At the end, it's all about the money. Idols are money-making machines as viewed by their agencies. We should all realise that celebrities are humans too. Thank you for listening to my ted talk. Lol... P.S. This is a serious topic.
People tend to undermine this!!!! I see alot of people thinking that demonizing (even though well deserved) saseangs instead of understanding the deep rooted issues that the industry perpetrates itself will make this issue go away its better to understand what are the factors that goes into making a saseang than to spew the same stuff each time : 1. Companies capitalizing on idol's private life, there's plenty of example to give in my opinion the industry is built on making the listener feel like they have this steong connection with the idol which results in $$$ so items and events like photocards fansigns,ect..directly profits of of fans delibartly being severely emotionally(and financially ;)) in idols (notice how they always have a fresh and hot lawsuit for hate comments but never for for all the saseangs aka the people buying thousands of dollars worth of products and albums). 2. the cultural aspect of Korean society makes it even easier for this type of behavior to happen,most of saseangs are korean teens (usually), and when we look at how high the teen(or overall) suicide and depression rates are in south korea it becomes more understandable how, to saseangs or regular fans , other peoples lifes begins to feel more valuable than theirs and how absorbed they can get into this stuff(this is actually pretty sad). In conclusion, with the way the kpop industry is headed i don't see this stopping anytime soon, they will start supplying their fans demand and make idols lifes even worse if we don't wake up and start pointing our finger at the right person. thanks for listening to my ted x talk.*turns to an empty room*
So truee....But No one wants to talk about the real issue.Everyone out here will be criticizing the sasaeng rather than talking about the real issue which is OBJECTIFICATION OF IDOLS.This whole notion of showing the idols in the Persona of ideal boyfriend/girlfriend is the real thing messing with the minds of vulnerable youth especially in this age of technology when people turn towards the virtual world to escape from their real life problems. Sadly,I don't think this issue with kpop is going to end anytime soon.Kpop is not about actual talents or music otherwise why would there exist the so-called "departments of visuals in the idol world".It is really sad that money is being made by these companies using such cheap tactics.😶😶
The kpop companies are not actually there for the music, nor are they there to support the idols' own mental well-being. They are here, like you said, simply for profit. And it's a cold harsh reality that the kpop industry gets a LOT of cash out of the dedication of the fans. The most intense sasaengs and fans are those who buy hundreds of copies (meaning thousands of dollars worth) of their albums to get into fanmeetings. They are those who buy all their merch in BULK to give it out to other fans. They are those who have better cameras and better angles and better photoshop skills than those of the official workers inside the entertainment agency itself. The kpop idols are MEANT to be looked like pieces of meat. It's kind of naive to even think that the music is the main product being sold here. No, this industry is simply training professional entertainers, and it's their "personality", charming looks, group dynamics and availability (not just as in being single but also as in giving away all your time) that sells. You can't remove that factor from this industry to just focus on "talent" and "music" because those things are at best tangential stuff. There's a reason to all that: it stems from the unique history of Korean entertainment industry (basically the fact that it was born in television and not in radios) and the ways how Koreans wanted to promote themselves to foreign audiences who at the time did not know a single thing about Korea. The kpop industry is just one factor Koreans deliberately and carefully planned and used while trying to rebrand their own nation. The actual Korean music industry exists underneath this inflated entertainment industry and its biggest agencies, and it has very little to do with it. Having said that, I don't mean to imply that the idols themselves cannot be artistically motivated and highly trained musicians who are seeking opportunities to show their musical talents, but just that that's not the goal of the industry itself. So demanding the kpop industry to transform to such a degree that they would let their idols freely express themselves and do whatever they damn please is basically asking the entire industry to destroy itself. Which is, yes, it needs to happen. But it's most likely not something they themselves would initiate on doing.
Sasaeng: his dancing line were so beautiful and he was so handsome Me: kai? Sasaeng: the celebrity i liked started dating a girlgroup member Me: OKAY IT MUST BE KAI 😂😂😂😂😂
I think Jennie and kai incident was revealed during early 2019 but the girl said she was a saesang for like 1.5yrs and this video was uploaded on June 2019 so I think it's not Jennie, maybe krystal
i read "josh" and i got so mad, my poor baby Nayeon doesnt deserve that. But then i read he doesnt have nice nails like the girl in the video and i started laughing lol thank u
And now Mina has a stalker too.... He got Mina's private information and went to their hometown! He tried calling Mina to which she answered the call but she eventually hung up. Then, that freaking stalker left a love letter to their mail. He must've read an article or something and it made him angry. He talked sh*t about Mina and her family on how they were afraid of him when he was only showing his 'love' for her. Bruh.... Mina went through a lot and is getting ready to come back after a long break due to her severe anxiety. Why can't this people like him just leave them alone. Edit: if y'all wondering where I got this from, here's a link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nsAVW2oKv6E.html
I’ve heard that sasaengs can get information from the staff and management that work directly with the groups. It does make you wonder, what could a young adult girl have to offer a (probably) middle aged person in exchange for revealing such personal information.
It's kinda sad to know idols can't even relax around their staff & management coz they can never know if some staff will expose what they talk about, their views on politics, personal life etc or take pics and sell it to sasaengs.
unless the idol(s) are very popular, i doubt that the staff and people behind the scenes make a lot of money from their job. like what this girl said, money is not a concern so others like her probably offered money or luxury items that can be sold for money in exchange for the idol's personal information. and if the sasaeng fans don't come from money, really dedicated ones tend to make a lot of money from selling fans fanmade merch and making a business out of their 'activities'. you'll be surprised by how organized this whole thing can be.
The staff must be so bored and stressed out from work, also I'm sure that most of them aren't really personally close to the idol itself................... so they don't care talking about them I guess And the sasaengs are likely to have different sources so they just have to combine all the little hints i guess
I've heard that sasaeng is a big community. They work together and help each other to follow their idol. That's why money is not a problem for them. And in such a big circle, with them supporting each other that ended up "brainwashing" Each other, they fell deeply and deeply into their own fantasy. This girl in the video is lucky she snapped out of it so soon before ruining her own life.
I can see why some fans would hope to know a celebrity, but once upon a time, I was friends with a very famous person, and believe me, there were difficulties I never could have imagined. Secondly, the celebrities really should not date fans. It starts the relationship with a total power imbalance that can really create a disaster in the long run. I thought this young woman was awesome to consent to this interview, thanks for talking with her. 😎
@@trina397 It shouldn't matter, and yet it was not that long ago when a celebrity was accused of sexual abuse because he dated a fan and then they broke up. The fan said it was easy for him to "take advantage" of her because of his fame. I can't help but think that was probably a warning to other male celebs out there.
@@WhereShallWeGoToday you never know might be true wasn't long ago that some male celebs were involved into prostitution scandal or his ex is just looking for attention.
@Josie B. Literally who? Not to be rude but the only people I can think of that were famous in their time, dated, married and stayed married to their fans are the Hanson brothers.
on a serious note, i think this discussion is so important and what modern fans especially should know. people get so wrapped up in their idols and i think it's interesting that she says "oh it's so pathetic, could never be me" and then says she didn't even notice when it happened. a lot of people think they just love their idols and are being passionate fans and they don't ever draw lines of where that becomes too much and too intrusive, and i like that she called them "symptoms" because to become so obsessed like that is definitely an illness, it's almost zombie-like. To ruin your own life because of an image of a person sounds so frightening to me. thank you for this video, it was very informative and interesting. it's bad and it's not okay and they do a lot to hurt the people they think they love, and even still it makes you feel bad for the people who fall victim to these feelings.
Hello, things to keep in mind please! 1. Could you please refrain from trying to find out who she was following and so on? She's anonymous and the precautions are there for a reason, I honestly find it a bit disrespectful. Respect her privacy, it's the least you can do on a video that's literally about disrespecting the privacy of others and learning from it. 2. Comparing international and korean fans and saying only korean fans are sasaengs is immature and false. The number of international sasaengs has steadily risen and the sole reason there are more korean sasaengs is simply because they literally live in Korea where K-pop gets more exposure and most K-pop idols are from. The culture there surrounding K-pop is much different from our own and K-pop has only recently begun spreading rapidly internationally. It's not simply because korean fans are more obsessive or have more money. It's not fair to them to think this way and you should certainly not bring down other K-pop fans like this, or anyone for that matter.
Based onthe comments on this vid I can assume that the only thing stopping MOST of these international fans is the fact that they live on a totally diff country and have no money
Oh no... There are a lot of international sasaengs... Best example for me would be that German guy... John something... Who was following nayeon... He followed twice on the planes they took, he went to the places nayeon did v lives and also said that he would have to kill nayeon if she dated someone other than him
I will never understand how some people really believe that they could date their idols. I don't even see the appeal of y/n fics, I think they're the cringiest type of fan content lmao, sorry.
i mean some idols actually say they wanna date their fans + it's just like a normal crush so reading the ffs is just like imagining scenes w/ ur crush if u've ever liked anyone it's pretty understandable tbh
btw you can read thoses and dont think on ending being the girlfriend/boyfriend of your idol. I mean the fics are fantasy and is like reading a romance book but with the image of your idol as the main male. People just have to learn to see between a good story from reality.
i mean one of the reasons, how or why the fan’s obsession increases is by reading fanfics as well because they’re feeding themselves some fantasy that makes them delulu, unless you have a full control of yourself.
Scary, but true.. I am sure that 98% of army are this type (no one will say that they are obsessed with only their music and dance, i am sure)their crazy fans are all obsessed with them, not their music
@@pooja-ik8po 98% out of millions huh? that’s unfair for you to make that assumption. being a saesang isn’t right and i’m sure bts has saesangs as well, but that doesn’t mean all their fans are like that. for you to say that all their fans are obsessed with them is really wrong. generalizing a whole entire group due to other people’s actions isn’t okay to me. there are lots of fans out there who don’t live like that and are actually normal. this comment really annoyed me and i had to say what was on my mind so if you don’t like it then 🤷🏽♀️.
@@lmao7596 Even if 98% can be an exaggeration, I do believe most Army is way to hostile for BTS´s good. BTS´s members are amazing, sweet people, they are trying to make the world a better place, but the general don´t care cause of Army. Like, even if someone metion them, they will be attacked automatically, for ¨using them for clout¨ or whatev, the hate TRENDS. If they make a simple joke, they´ll get insulting comments on their deceased friend photo. They do this stuff without thinking how can that affect BTS, cause it does. People refuse to actually listen to them or know them because they rememeber the fandom, they insult BTS because of the fandom. Artists will be afraid to collab with them because of the undeserved backlash they can get. I think that´s already the case. I love BTS, I swear they changed my life for better, I will always support them and str45m them, but I don´t wanna call myself an Army.... I KNOW there´s amazing Armys on the international side, but just look at the trending topic when someone just refers to them, all hate...
I became a “sasaeng” I never followed idols but I have their info i stopped since its not what my idols like...I can say it’s really interesting on getting info and idols numbers but I thought of it and was like I should stop,But right now I’m pretending to be a sasaeng to know who they are and report them to companies I’m just trying to help Atleast a bit.i have deleted every thing on my phone to move on cause when I was a sasaeng I noticed that I’m so toxic that’s why I stopped, I Hope Sasaengs will stop. And I’m sorry for being a part of them
I have a question. I have always wondered how you get their phone numbers cuz it is every private so someone from the "inside" must help right. And also why don't idols change their phone numbers immediately after they realize saesangs are calling ?? Ps:I don't mean to offend anyone in any type of way 😄
What I learned and what I know All the sasaengs are rich and actually are quite intelligent people with some crazy and different thoughts than a normal person
she also said that being a sasaeng for one year and a half is not a long period of time. it feels like her feelings about what is normal and what is not are just so skewed?
The problem is that kpop is literally created for us to be emotional dependant of it. And it kinda works tho if i was Korean (and if i had money) i would have problably make the same mistakes. You know that feeling? of loving your bias so much but like so much that sometimes you can't help it but crying? imagine that feeling but with a chance for actually meeting your idol, insane but is just how it is. Kpop is made for turning us into sasaengs, and the more popular it becomes the more dependant we will be, like an addiction
with all due respect, we can use the money in a good way. like going to every concert, fan meetings everytime they held it, in that way i think the idols would recognize and remember you in that way instead right? i’ve seen so many interactions with fans and idols who remembers each other.
I love this comment because I hate how many people hate on the saesang's themselves without figuring out why they're like that in the first place. I saw my friend almost become a saesang so I know it isn't just some 'delusional person thinking they have a chance'. Kpop feeds this idea that idols are 'reserved' for their fans and the way they call their fans their girlfriends/boyfriends is just weird. I love Kpop but it feeds into fan obsession way too much. You start to wonder why Kpop has so many of these stalkers when you don't hear the same happening to western artists.
@@beingamultifanisnotacrime2508 tbh fansigns can feed into that too though especially with the way some idols tend to interact with fans. when you look at western fan meets for example a lot of times its literally just a picture and then a small convo if you have time but you're barely ever allowed to touch the person. with fansigns people are always holding the idols hands, giving them personal gifts, etc
gurleen well you’re not wrong though. i think it’s the kpop industry culture. i think it also needs to start with our idols as well, they need to be brave and stop feeding fans with sweet words and all. also i wish that they’re brave enough to express their annoyance towards sasaengs, treat them like one so they will stop. i also heard that some company forces idols to do such fansigns like holding hands or something (idk if that’s true)
BIG RESPECT TO THIS GIRL FOR SHARING HER STORY!!! Thank you so much. Hope you enjoy your life even better from now on. BIG CLAPS FOR THIS CONTENT👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
from the video i learnt: - you can become sasaeng at any stage, even if you hate sasaeng at first... :)) - other kpop fan friends can be the reason you become a saseang... :)) - most kpop fan girls think that the celebrity is their destiny love...? :)) - money is not a problem if you speak english in korea? i don't feel related... don't go there after hearing that guys :)))) well this is a very educational and nice video... thanks for posting... i totally agree about the part that a fan girl should not miss her chance of love because of her idol.
Wow so money is not a big problem for someone that know how to speak english in korea huh...i guess i need to srsly improve my english starting from now
I mean she also said that her parents gave her a lot of money so she could live abroad so her rich parents were probably most or at least half of her income cause the saesang life is wayyyy too expensive to live of off part-time jobs
Most sasaeng are teenagers (Teens are all about hormone lol). I'd blame the parents as well. Most of sasaeng are underage. Where are the parents??? How could they miss all these??? Why don't they be more curious of what their children do to spend time? Who are the friends he/she hanging out with? Those kind of stuff. Lack of parental engagement could leads to poor behavioral outcomes in children. tsk.
9:16 a celebrity is just a normal person that's popular. everyone's human. even if you're completely utterly obsessed with a celebrity, it doesn't mean you should invade their personal space/life. they're also normal people. you just see them differently because they're popular
I really liked her advice from 9:47-10:21 and I feel like it can apply to anything "unhealthy" you use to escape from reality. Her advice really hit me because I was in a very toxic and abusive relationship and literally everything she said in her advice was basically how I improved my situation. The solution is to start loving yourself and treating yourself right instead of living for other people. Once you have that realization, positive and valuable life experiences will come to you naturally rather than when you were trying to force them from happening.
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