Interview with Jane Gleeson-White: Capitalism, our Values and our Need for new Aquarian Paradigms 

Absolutely wonderful interview. I am sooo encouraged and inspired by this conversation. I am 81 yes old, a retired English prof, with a passion for story. I have become a hypnotherapist who guides the retrieval of personal, individual stories for release of trauma. And release of thought habits associated with trauma. I have always been fascinated that the words used by traditional economics are the words of psychology, e.g., depression, inflation, . Jane's ideas answer in detail what my mind has left in general questions!! Wow!! Thank you, you next generation women!! I remember my strong resistance to teaching writing as "goal and audience." How can you set a goal for your soul?" I asked!!! Yet I taught it and it can be very effective. But is effectiveness all we want? How about curiosity? Mystery? Imagination? . There is so much wisdom in this interview that I cannot single out a statement.....in other words, I cannot pick a "take-away" ...... lol!! Is this inability an example of defeating bad competition, scarcity, double line accounting???? No takeaway. I have to listen several more times to learn this language which is falling on very fertile ground, to absorb all of this. ❤

Delighted to see you addressing this issue so often ignored when discussing spiritual topics. We often wish to pass off problems to "psychopathic" leadership without looking at how the values we take for granted shape us all. Learning to "break the habit of being yourself" is, as Jane says, the most difficult intervention of all. We are spiritual beings having a material experience. Going as far away from our connection to wholeness is our journey. We are never really lost. Everything "conspires" to bring us back to oneness while retaining our invaluable uniqueness. Each unique experience leading to greater wisdom enriches the greater reality.

As a forty plus year accountant who has worked for one of the giant corporations, I found this incredibly insightful. Jane put into words things that have been niggling at the edges of awareness and now want to be shared far and wide. I’m still in that world and I’m excited to start shining light into some of its cracks. Thank you both!

This is so amazing and inspirational! I love how Jane talked about getting into astrology in 1992. That was about the time I got into astrology and tarot reading shortly after graduating from the Harvard school of Public health and being trained in health policy, epidemiology and related fields. Since that time I’ve spent my life mostly raising money for nonprofits and doing a lot of nonprofit development work, and accounting and doing a lot of work as an indigenous person in promoting native spirituality and worldview while also trying to make change in the concrete world around . I’ve always struggled with integrating the more metaphysical things I did with the more practical and I just love the topic here! It’s so timely and so important. It has motivated me to start focusing more on the concept of “ institutional privilege” that I talk about a lot and probably drive some of my friends and colleagues crazy going on and on about it. Thank you Heather for continuing to have these amazing conversations. It’s so important to get these concepts out to the world. You have so motivated me today!! ❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽

thank you both for this wonderful conversation and indigenous cultures offer so much wisdom for us!

I am lost for words. I shall have to listen again. Blessings to you both, Heather and Jane. Blown my mind!

Thank you both for a fascinating conversation which confirms - and so clearly articulates - what I have felt to be true for a long time. Numbers are limited unless supported by qualitative analysis ... the story lines which speak to history, context, relationship and help us to properly understand what the integrated whole is telling us. Looking forward to more of the same 😊

Wonderful inquiry into valuation and something any artist is concerned about!

That was a very interesting conversation, thank you🙏 The nature of corporation is a gold nugget😊 thank you Heather💖 Much love, light and blessings to you, and all🙏❤

So timely. Thank you so much!

Great conversation! Many thanks.

Thank you both. It makes so much sense what you're saying. It's our disconnection from ourselves which ultimately disconnects us from the natural world, which we are a part of. All rooted in trauma. It SO needs to be healed. We would never treat the Earth the way we do.If we healed and remembered we are made of the stuff of stars and we belong to the earth. I've been having the same thoughts about capitalism, for years now.It's out of control. Unsustainable growth in the natural world is called, "cancer." So glad to find this chat so validating. 🙏🕊🌳☀️🌱☮️💜🌎

What a fascinating conversation. Thanks so much! ❤

I so am always so happy to see all your interviews Heather. Inspiring to my life. I can see how Civilization is evolving and the up coming generation is more inovated towards the need to be more efficient towards our environment healthy lifestyle. Like the Damns in British Columbia Canada, they are all getting so old that they will be dissembled and therefore the fish will beable to migrate as they did before the damns placement. The down fall is that they will be replaced by mini-nucuar plants that if they break down the impact will be small. Such an example of everything else that is focused on profit; Such is the fella from China who build a industry around creating plastic. It will all fall aaway as we, the people, stop buying anything plastic and seize from being consumers and become more self efficient. I do believe that there will be a shift once Uranus enters Gemini; the higher octave of Mercury. We are already moving to more community since Covid impact inspired us towards the importance of community standing tall against a government propaganda. It was all towards the benefit'evolution process.

Love this wholistic conversation and perspective... If we truely embody our sacred feminine, healing trauma - collectively we WILL change the world - standing in truth brings such clarity and direction. Thank you both xx

This is a magnificent and important discussion that really, two women can have for best outcome right now!❤😊

Thank you...this is so enlightening and explains my deep disquietude as an accountant (now retired) inside the corporate world. I will never forget hearing an "outside, independent" CPA saying, in a financial meeting, "Tell us what number you need and we'll get you there". Many brilliant points and fundamentals explained here. Money/business/psychology is my area of fascination, so hearing you apply DSM IV definition of psychopathy applied to corporations: wow! and the relationship to trauma/safety/survival.

Thank you Jane and Heather. You have added energy to the opening of my body portal. Much knowledge coming my way points to my divine feminine connection. Mahalo!

Thank you Jane and Heather for a truely inspiring and thought provoking interview. Economics is very rarely discussed in spiritual circles apart from money being the root of evil. This interview brings wisdom, knowledge and a feminine perspective on e-commerce. As an Australian, so lovely to hear another Australian being interviewed and acknowledge. 🙏✨

The truth prevails and that brings us in balance. Love the conversation ❤

Thank you both for putting so clearly in words what is happening and what is needed. The tapestry is having big holes in need to be repaired by healing the trauma in ourselves and society. ❤❤❤🙏blessed be

Enjoyed listening to you both Heather and Jane, combining your separate fields of work and passion for rewriting the system. I too found Vicki Noble 3 decades ago who inspired me in my 'change' years with her wisdom even though we are the same age!

What a profoundly unexpected and powerful conversation Heather and Jane. I learned so much. Thank you both for the history of accounting and for your reflecting the breakdown of what’s going on including our complicity and complacency in the destructiveness our fears and trauma for safety, thereby allowing this devastating entity that is corporate values of profit and greed over all, to suppressed what are our lost innate values in ethical natural wisdom. Bless the indigenous peoples, their origin stories with the Cosmos and their wisdom for leading and reconnecting humanity back to the Earth’s natural cycles and place in the Universe. I’m part of the post WWll US 1940-50’s generation which felt dominated by materialism and repression that sparked youthful ideas of advocating communal values of: nonviolence, healing the earth, tolerance, peace, love (the Age of Aquarius) and liberation in the mid-1960-early 70’s. I would have heated discussions with my father(who worked for an international corporation) about social welfare change and being anti-war. He regarded my ideals as unrealistic and thought my joining marches was radical. He was afraid of all the movements that, that time sparked: The Native American, the Black, and the Chicano Movements and the Women’s Rights Struggles : from restoration of land grants, to farm workers' rights, to enhanced education, to voting and stopping the political and ethnic stereotypes of Black, Hispanic, Chinese, Mexicans, Native Tribes and Women in mass media. It was a time of trying to raise the collective consciousness. 2024, Here we are again. We are waking up to hard truths again and our own complicated trauma based complacency and complicity. This is has been 60 years of the corporate lobbyists, an ever present financial marketing influence and undercurrent for political corporate corruption for profit only. It has killed so many wonderful creative alternative ideas for supporting a healthy Earth by actually working against the earth’s wellbeing now in for centuries: not investing in clean air & pure water policies, spraying chemical contaminates on the soil and into the ground water and environmental deforestation, ocean pollution, damming rivers for power, suppressing alternative energy sources, fracking for fossil fuel, heavy metal contamination, killing social help for preventive and alternative mental and medical healthcare for all etc. There is great positive hope because of Shamanic Teachers, Astrologers like Heather and Authors, Astrologers and History Truth-Tellers like Jane because we can understand, recover and reclaim the will of the I Am choosing to be part of the Divine Cosmic Collective Consciousness shift going forward. ❤Gratitude and honoring you both for your loving service to the transformation of us all and these generous free podcasts. 🌎🙏🏼🌍🙏🏼🌏

Amazing the both of you 💜true wisdom collaborating with heart connection 💜we are understanding we are feeling the essence 💜thankyou Heather 💜

Fascinating conversation😃👌🏻 Thank you so much 🙏🏻💜🪷

Thank you so much Hearher and Jane, for this lovely conversation.❤❤

Thank you Heather and Jane! Such an enlightening conversation! 🙏💕

A wonderful, rich conversation. 🧡🧡🧡

I so appreciate this enlightening and beautiful conversation today. I found it to be fascinating and so helpful. Thank you much Heather and Jane. I hope that many people see this hugely important video. Please - do have more conversations, many many more!

I could listen to you too forever. This was what I so needed and I've always felt what's coming but didn't have words to explain. Makes so much sense! Thank you 😊

I love this video so much! This is a very important, even vital, conversation right now. When I taught in a high school, I saw every day the trauma and damage done by the competitive system we have created. A large percentage of my students suffered from anxiety and depression and extremely high levels of stress. There is a huge need to find ways to mitigate this damage now, while we simultaneously bring in the "big picture" change we so desire.

This was a great and much needed conversation. I fell into accounting and have felt that this has been missing! Thanks!

Amazing. We didn't even get into socioeconomic status .....❤❤

The video stayed with me. I loved Jane's depiction of how human to human transactions-and their stories!-were transformed in "objective" numerical tasks using the language of mathematics. Thanks again.

So amazing to understand this. Just love the way that Astrology can be a guide to heal so much🙏💗🙏

As usual a VERY INTEGRATIVE interview and approach to understanding how to function and to be in existence here in this left brain realm :) Thank you :)

Thank you so much for not only validating so much of what I have long intuitively embodied about the nature of our out-of-control economic model but for bringing it into a larger context and giving me more "fuel", so to speak, for my conservation policy work. I was taken aback the first time I heard a student tell me that she had learned that economics was all about scarcity because I couldn't conceive of the Divine creating scarcity in our world. That definition of economics clearly comes from the '50s and '60s, Cold War ERA mentality, like so many approaches to "natural resource management" - as if we can manage Nature. I want to point out that the word "economy" originates from the Greek root for how you manage your home. I will definitely look for this book.

Thank you Heather and Jane for such an engaging conversation revealing the historical, psychological and cultural underpinning of corporations such that they shape the global economy to exclude their impact on the human and natural world from their economic calculations for profit. Loved your connection to the development of accounting to the Renaissance and materialist expansion, correlations to Darwinist theories of survival of the fittest and not enough; the correlation a narcissistic psychology associated w corporate behaviors, etc. So rich, to correlate this economic evolution w the astronomy, astrology, and consciousness of the last 5000 years and to look for more expansive, unifying paradigms of our interconnectedness in more ancient traditions. I am really excited by the potential for you and all of us to co-create collective economic systems rooted in our unity in consciousness with the earth, one another, the stars, and the galaxies beyond. Thank you for an inspiring conversation. Blessed Be.💙

Abstracting accounting from place certainly speaks to humanity leading from our minds, exploiting and becoming further adrift from community. Collective revaluing of our interconnection with Earth's living systems is key now. Time to lead from our hearts.

Great conversation! The idea of the commodification of human suffering and creation of giant corporations dictating how we approach healing in the US is so troubling. Both the healers and patients are suffering. A real head scratcher and too hard to fight for change when the those harmed are too sick or burned out to try

What an insightful video! Thank you so much. 🙏

Stunning content! It made so much fall into place for me. Thank you so much!

Valuable conversation!

It reminds me of the mincer in Pink Floyd’s The Wall except it’s every living moment and every living thing that is being pushed through the mincer to produce cash Mind numbingly horrific!! And our value system is mentally hijacked into the idea that only material value is worth pursuing, constantly viewing the material world like the mincer!!! Chopping ourselves up to give up one thing in favour of another Sometimes food, sleep, well being for cold acceptance of the need to acquire cash!!! Thank you ladies for translating this so beautifully It’s a great confirmation for many people that the odds are so unevenly stacked that they can now afford themselves some deep compassion and feel strengthened and renewed to walk further in a more solid truth 🙏🏻xx

I loved every second of this interview! So fascinating! Thank you both so much❤️

Brilliant conversation! The entire system needs to fall and be rebuilt. A new foundation to clear that which is not working for the benefit of all consciousness on the planet. (animals, plants, water, and humans.) Corporate design is faulty. Nature has a much more cohesive plan, let’s follow her.

We had a business ( company ) making dairy free artisan cheeses. It was growing and well loved here in NZ but we were mandated during covid and we ended up closing down. We are now looking at setting up again and upscaling and B Lab looks great for us and we will definitely be looking into it more. Thanks for a great conversation.

That was exceptional Thank you ❤

Thank you both! This was so inspiring & fills me with Hope & excitement ❤

Thank you Heather ... a really really important conversation ... the fraud inherent in double entry .....a most deceitful behaviour and anti spirit too ... Im hoping it will ,like the Ouroborus, eat itself ... Bless you both x x x ...co-creating our new reality 💛

The fundamental pattern we all have is deference to hierarchical authority. Master-slave, Lord-Peasant, Employer-Employee. All top down, command and control, undemocratic economic structures. Solution: worker co-ops in local and regional businesses. Worker managed businesses aren't likely to pollute or destroy the environment they live in, cheat their local customers and ruin their reputation, or outsource their own jobs. This would be a major real world paradigm shift, and it will go along with the new Aquarian consciousness.

Thank ypu a sooo much!!!❤

Would be interesting to hear a conversation with Heather, Jane and Robert Edward Grant

Thank you and fascinating ❤

We need profound consciousness shift that can take our values, our laws, our implementations with it.

Thank you both for such an enlightened conversation. It has helped me understand on a personal level how my creative process is interfered with by this economic process of quantifying productivity. Specifically answers the question why does my singing consistently improve but not when I put paint to canvas? Because the intention to sing is for my personal growth and pure self expression whereas with painting theres an underlying thought will someone want to buy this? Comparison competition and scarcity act as gatekeepers preventing connection to source and authentic expression.

Oh, I wonder if those will ever realise what they have created 😏 People really need to see this for what it is and start looking for ways to heal those old deep seated and conveniently embedded beliefs. Thanks for this wonderful opportunity to hear this 🙏❤️🙏

Every moment is sacred 🙏

Oxfam (NGO)held an international conference about futures economy ,a lot about values ,feminist aproach and activsm -fx we can (many of us )buy a cheap plot of land and letnature take over ….allow pause -here in Denmark at least …

I'd love to hear some grounded examples of living in right relationship. Really a potent theme as we're moving toward Libra eclipse!

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Heather, is there really any clinical intervention for psychopathy....at the level of disconnect that has happened in our oldest corporate structures?

How can you reconnect with your body when your body is unsafe after being destroyed?

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Giggle. I was unable to skip over the introductory "offer" by the ultra right-wing Hillsdale College to teach me about the power-over capitalism in the U.S. Sometimes the Universe tells you where humans are through RU-vid advertisements sent to your algorithm. Giggle.

Your guest is very negative. Capitalism allows us to spend our money on whatever we like!

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Thank you Heather & Jane for an insightful conversation you have shed light and such insight on the economic value and money trauma. So enlightening. Thank you

Yes I Am Resonate 💯💯💯. For mee I got scam on All my money in life, 69 year. The Big minds changes my mind🤔. Big Namaste 🌹🙏🌹