17:05 The funniest part about all this is the fact that everything that comes out of Lestat’s mouth is really just LOUIS’ thoughts. lol So, LOUIS made up the lyrics to that song. 😂
Lestat was made in the 1700s, so Armand began leading the Paris coven in 1556, but Lestat came in 200+ years later, and shook everything up and that's when the theatre started
just one thing i realised you guys misunderstood: when armand calls the coven his children it's just because the coven's name was 'children of the darkness' and he was given the task of ruling them, not because he turned them!
This season gets crazier and better each episode! It’s a good call to not believe the things Armand says or told Louis about Lestat, he seems a very bitter and jealous guy
Hey guys👋🏻. The reason some vampires who are very old, do that is because they don’t understand the new era, or they way the world has change since they were human.
When you guys mentioned why all vampires end up k1ll1ing themselves it reminded me of Anna Rice's (Author) vampires being a metaphor for lost deemed souls; i understand that the vampires feeling lonely, depressed, angry is really a representation of them being heavily lost inn their own sorrow and pain. Anna used to be hella religious and writing about vampires when she left the church gave her a chance of portrait the "lost souls" under a fantasy lense; thats why the book series and the movie (both from the 70s and 90s) struggle to fairly portrait Louis and Lestat as a couple but their love as 2 man is also an extension of the "sinfull life" these vampires live based on the shame and fear impolsed into them. the whole show is a beautiful metaphor at feeling alone, abandoned, wrong and disgusting to society/morality/dignity
Yeah I mean Ann seemed to really struggle with her Catholicism throughout her life. She left the church and started writing about vampires but then felt really guilty and not good about writing about "sinful" vampires and went back deep into Catholicism for a good while... Wrote a couple of books about angels and stuff... And then eventually resurfaced and started writing about vampires again.... So yeah, it seems like religion had quite a push and pull for her over the years. I mean Lestat is a pretty clear Jesus character as well. So yeah, it's just kind of interesting to see how religion has coloured certain aspects of her writing, as a life long atheist myself.
@@AnxietyRatI could kinda tell that she may have gotten back into her religious beliefs when she wrote Memnoch the Devil. The books before seemed to have more of an atheist attitude in them. I agree with yours and the original comment that there was a theological conflict in all of her books, but the main characters (especially Lestat) never seemed to buy into the heaven and hell, and existence of god religious concepts. The supernatural elements were more like spirits, and not judeo christian ideas of God and Satan, or angels and demons. The very cause of vampirism didn't have anything to do with god or the devil, but spirits and witches. The Queen of the Damned didn't involve any christian ideas of vampires being created by Satan, or even mention the idea of the judeo christian god. It even said that people believing in god were being fooled by spirits pretending to be gods. In Memnoch the Devil, she seemed to be saying that Atheists have it all wrong, and that Christianity is true. I tend to pay attention to these themes because like you, I'm an atheist, and it's clear when religious themes are present in stories.
@@cullenarthur8879 yeah, I haven't read all of the books but seen snippets and have listened to book readers talking about the religious themes within the books. That's really interesting, though! I haven't heard too many people talking about Lestat's view on those things. ( And yeah, I know Lestat drinks Jesus's blood but I still kind of see Lestat as a Jesus/Mary Sue figure🤷♀️) Very interesting. And yeah... My parents both grew up religious (my father was Catholic and my mother a non-denominational Christian) and became atheists in young adulthood before they met each other and then raised me and my siblings as atheists so... Certain religious themes are very easy to spot!
@@AnxietyRat Lestat was an atheist before and after being made a vampire. I don't know if you have seen the 1994 movie, but he alludes to his disbelief of religion when Louis said to him "You've condemned me to hell!", and Lestat replies "I know nothing of hell." And then when they end up in the cemetery after Louis burns their house down, and Louis says "we belong in hell." Lestat asked him "what if there is no hell?" That's all they put in the movie, but Lestat talks about his non belief more in the books. Louis always seemed the one tortured by Catholic guilt. Lestat was more of a free thinker, being brought up in France during the enlightenment. Like I said before, things kind of changed in Memnoch the Devil. He actually gets approached by the devil, goes to heaven and hell, and witnesses creation and Jesus' existence. The devil wants Lestat as his partner, and wants to convince Lestat that he's the just one, rather than god. Lestat turns from an atheist to actually knowing that the christian god exists. I think it was Anne Rice coming back to her Catholic beliefs.
I really don’t trust armand at all I’m not really sure of his motivations and love for Louis also agree with you rob on Claudia not liking that role in the theatre loving the reactions can’t wait for more
Since you guys are watching 2 vamp shows, I really think you should try out True Blood sometime. It's the best vampire show I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of em.
Claudia's about 40-45 by now, trying to live her life as a woman, trying out chic fashion, etc. So the coven making her embrace the roll of the little kid is pretty shitty for her, and definitely intentional.
I wanna say Rob and Bryce are missing the fact that Bruce was a real vampire (who ofc did not turn Louis and Claudia but it's clever to use a real vampire in the lie) that assaulted Claudia. What she was describing in her coffin was what she went through with Bruce. Remember when Claudia went to school, ran into the vamp that rode a bike? Him
@@12chapingood question. He said he was made in Copenhagen. I don't think there's any such thing as just a random vampire. Lestat said there was probably around a hundred vampires in the world, so it's a small population and community. They all kind of have to know each other and are connected. I kind of compare it to the Mafia. A secretive society of killers who go by their own laws and code. They even refer to making a new member as "being made". Like the Mafia, just being a made member is significant.
@@beatlesnqueen Yup. The character of Claudia is based off of Anne Rice's real daughter, Michele. Who passed away from leukemia when she was 5 years old... So that's why Claudia is 5 years old in the book.
So glad you guys are questioning everything. “No way that’s the whole story” is the attitude you should always come at this show with. Craziest way I’ve seen unreliable narration done in a while.
Love yall’s reactions to this! Im sure someone mentioned maybe on patreon but the timeline was a little confusing. Armand was sent to Paris in the 1500s but he didn’t come across Lestat in the theater until the 1700s. Armand was also definitely embellishing a little bit haha. Can’t wait to see the rest of the episodes!
The introduction of Raglan James is an important part of the Vampire Chronicles. I love that we get Lestat in all of his preening glory! Please keep in mind that Armand and Louie and even Claudia are unreliable narrators here. The Theater of the Vampires is very important to the story and they're doing a good job adapting it for tv. The next episode is a banger too!
You misunderstood the time-line. Armand was head of the coven in the 1500's. He met Lestat in the 1700's. Notice the costume changes from medieval to Baroque/Rococo period. Armand had lived in squalor with his coven until Lestat appeared in the 1700's and proved to the followers that they need not live this way and religious symbols were not to be feared.
Armand meeting Louis in the park that night was intentional. He knows who Louis and Claudia are, and the invitation to the theatre was planned. They already know what happened to Lestat, and the coven has been watching them since their arrival in Paris.
In one of the scenes last season we see Lestat in the junkyard eating rats after Louis and Claudia tried to kill him. He's still alive. At least in the forties, I'm not sure about present day.
If you think about it, Armand and Louis broke the law about not revealing their vampire nature to a mortal and letting that mortal live right there. They were openly talking about them being vampires, and he obviously overheard what they were saying. I guess Armand figured "I know him! He's cool with it."
They talk about not making a child a vampire because mentally they can’t handle it and eventually they’ll break and take themselves out. My humble take is creating that part in the play for Claudia was Armand was trying to break her because he wants Louis. Another thing to remember every narrative you get is unreliable. Louis is speaking out of a lot of trauma, Lestat and Armand are two sides of the same master manipulator coin and have no problem lying to your face when they decide it’s necessary, and Claudia was coming from a place of anger and bias. But I believe Claudia’s narrative is closer to the truth because she was documenting practically in real time.
When Armand says Lestat tasted like vermouth and annihilation, I’m pretty sure that’s a compliment. Basically saying he was sexy and irresistible lol. Vermouth is tasty, and vampires like annihilation..
@@cullenarthur8879Oh, absolutely! I should have explained better. I read it as he was trying to say something negative, or like you say, that they couldn't work out - the annihilation part. But in my mind he was accidentally slipping up by saying something that sounds kind of sexy. Like "tasted like vermouth and annihilation," saying that about someone, it sounds like you're still pining for someone and trying not to.
Do not trust Armad or anything he says. He’s a liar and manipulator. He was obsessed with Lestat and Lestat wanted nothing to do with him. Also, Louis is a very unreliable narrator. His memories have been altered.
In Re: Mid-1500s vs Late 1700s -- you are misunderstanding the time-contexts. Armand is saying that the CoD was formed during the 1500s; it's then *later* in the late 1700s that he meets Lestat, who was at that time a vampire for only so many months or just a few years. (Lestat was born in 1760, as he noted in season 1)
