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Intro to Compression Endmills for CNC Woodworking 

Winston Moy
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Upcut, downcut, Up/Down (Compression)... what's the difference? I take each endmill for a spin through some of my favorite (not) materials to machine.
Check out Harvey Tool's line of compression endmills: www.harveytool.com/prod/End-Mi...
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@wjb1060
@wjb1060 6 лет назад
Who could down vote a short, very precise, informative video like this. This was new information for me since I've never heard of compression end mills. Thanks for taking the time to inform us all.
@nfvisuals
@nfvisuals 6 лет назад
Hi there!!! As you, I also learned the cnc “things” by myself and after some years of wood and metal working I concluded that I have to use ALWAYS appropriate tools for the material I am cutting... wood mills for wood, aluminum mills for aluminum, steel tools for steel and so on... for wood try the straight wood mills, they are awesome and always give you the right finish.. I know that having several “collections” of tools might become expensive but it pays off after you mill your pieces. Never go cheap on tools because they last much less and you spend much more time finishing your pieces by end when they can come out finished from the machine... what you spend on manual working over time pays lots of expensive tools Time is money!!!!!
@HarveyToolCo
@HarveyToolCo 6 лет назад
Great video Winston! Thanks for giving our tools a try!
@ManCrafting
@ManCrafting 6 лет назад
Thanks Winston. This helps me decide what type of endmill to use on different materials.
@AngieWilliamsDesigns
@AngieWilliamsDesigns 4 года назад
Super helpful. I was just trying to find out how to get better cuts on my plywood projects. I thought it was just a dull bit. But I need to also check if I was using up cut or down.
@createdbycay8704
@createdbycay8704 6 лет назад
Very informative! I didn’t even know compression end mills existed before this video! - Cay
@justourbina12
@justourbina12 6 лет назад
The only time i use a 3 flute compression bit on plywood is when the cuts are not gonna be seen, otherwise i use both straight plunge and insert straight bits. I really enjoy your videos, keep it up.👍🏻
@Stephen8454
@Stephen8454 6 лет назад
haha I love the ending humorous portion like a pharmaceutical company :P
@TimeWasted8675309
@TimeWasted8675309 6 лет назад
Another great video Winston.
@FriedrichKegel
@FriedrichKegel 6 лет назад
I had the same problem before and came to my solution to combine straight cut endmills for the "Top" oparation 1mm depth or so with up cutters. The result the dust/chips get cleaned easily. Followed by a pass by pass cutting down (0,5mm offset from the contour) with a up-cutter and a final cleaning pass of 0,5mm sidecut to not stress the top of the parts too much. Or if your spindle can do it, try a full depth - slow movement with a straight cutter.
@thehamlinwoodshop
@thehamlinwoodshop 6 лет назад
Thanks Winston. Great video as always.
@RichardCournoyer
@RichardCournoyer 6 лет назад
Niceeeeeeee video Mr. Moy, but where is the straight flute cutter comparison (PS Not an end mill but a straight 2 flute router cutter)? PS Love the ending!
@Thepriest39
@Thepriest39 5 лет назад
I have never seen these types of end mills before. I am a machinist so that might be why. I am trying to get into CNC wood working so I will try one of these out.
@mreightytwenty8709
@mreightytwenty8709 6 лет назад
Great video mate
@Ninjamstrboy
@Ninjamstrboy 5 лет назад
great presentation.
@MarcelDiane
@MarcelDiane 6 лет назад
Great info Winston, thanks for sharing.
@doglao1236
@doglao1236 3 года назад
nice tips, thank you.
@AlexanderMuravyov
@AlexanderMuravyov 5 лет назад
Good result with corn bit for top 1-2mm and then change tool to up-cut.
@Metalbass10000
@Metalbass10000 3 года назад
Roughing with up cut, coated carbide with very sharp cutting edges, and aggressive positive rake, variable helix and variable pitch. Finish with down cut. Very high rpm, with coated carbide meant for high rpm, high heat, and low fpt. This works sometimes, and sometimes doesn't work.
@Sergio-uv1he
@Sergio-uv1he 6 лет назад
Thanks for sharing.
@ScottMoyse
@ScottMoyse 6 лет назад
Haha. Great video Winston.
@car.diac_arrest
@car.diac_arrest 5 лет назад
Pro tip! Consider using a down spiral tool, but leave an intentional skin on the bottom of the part, and then use a router table with a flush trimming bit to achieve a clean edge on the bottom face
@funkstrong
@funkstrong 6 лет назад
Could you share the feed and speed settings you used for these tests Winston?
@FlyingZonda
@FlyingZonda 5 лет назад
Great video! I have one recommendation as a trained public speaker. When doing technical presentations, if you slow-down the pace slightly, you allow the audience more time to process the information. Not trying to be negatively critical, just a thought to improve your already awesome video! Thanks again 👍👍👍
@peniku8
@peniku8 4 года назад
While I watched the video at 1.5x speed (which I usually watch all informational videos at), I tend to agree with you. Slowing down a video butchers the audio quality, but you can speed it up to 2x just fine. Anyways, nice comparison, this compression bit is pretty interesting. What advantages does it have over using a simple straight bit?
@FlyingZonda
@FlyingZonda 4 года назад
@@peniku8 Agreed. He does have some good videos if you're into small scale CNC jobs though. I don't intend to take away from that!
@portland97211
@portland97211 2 года назад
try a layer or 2 of painter's tape on the top or bottom of the plywood to cut down on veneer chipping.
@sheaweston
@sheaweston 6 лет назад
What are the work holding clamps you show in this video?
@evankenison588
@evankenison588 6 лет назад
Thanks for your trainings. Interested in receiving any of your prizes
@viktortulbya2107
@viktortulbya2107 4 года назад
Hey thanks for the video, i also use fusion 360, only issue i have with it is it doesnt have a axiom cnc post processor, i have asked people at autodesk to make one, someone there took some time and made modified one of them, but its still not perfect. One question more along your video, i really want a bit that can run much faster than these spiral bits do through wood, any ideas? I recently purchased a 4 flute bit, seemed better, but options are limited beyond that
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 4 года назад
That's up to the endmill manufacturer and your own judgment. Try some tools from a reputable manufacturer like Amana, Whitewide, Harvey Tool, etc and see what they recommend.
@chhmansukhna5107
@chhmansukhna5107 6 лет назад
Hi Winston, I really enjoy your videos. I want to cut 3mm ply in one cut can you recommend an end mill? Newbe
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 6 лет назад
Downcut would give the cleanest result, but I have never tried pushing a cut with one that deep in one go. I'd probably just say try using any 1/8" endmill or larger at a more conservative feed rate than usual. Only way you're going to find out is through some experimentation. 3/32" compression endmill would probably be the best (the up/down crossover point is 3/32" from the tip), but most expensive option.
@UkraineTrain21
@UkraineTrain21 Год назад
With the compression bit, can you just plunge straight down to full depth before starting the profile cuts? Or does it need to be ramped/spiraled? Without linear movement I am worried about the chips not evacuating and breaking the end mill.
@pratap3369
@pratap3369 6 лет назад
Hey Winston love your videos where did you get the 1/4 inch collet for the makita router
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 6 лет назад
Got them from Elaire: www.elairecorp.com/routercollets.html Makita comes with 1/4", I have Elaire's 1/8" and it works so much better than a shank adapter/bushing. Easily just as precise as the stock collet.
@pratap3369
@pratap3369 6 лет назад
thanks for the replay,I'm from India and my router comes with 6 and 8 mm,that's the reason for asking
@pratap3369
@pratap3369 6 лет назад
One more thing, ever checked the runout of your makita router,If so how much
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 6 лет назад
I have not measured the runout of the router itself directly, just with endmills in the collets: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sZtFi3uDA8A.html
@justncase410
@justncase410 6 лет назад
What would you use for corrugated plastic? Bit, feed, and speed?
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 6 лет назад
Hard to say because I don't know what type of plastic it is. It's also weaker than solid plastic so the corrugations might flap around a bit. I'd try an 1/8" single flute upcut at a high RPM (Maybe 24k-ish) and play with feed rates.
@chronokoks
@chronokoks 6 лет назад
Your voice sounds like younger, more high pitched/brighter (sound brightness) NYCNC :)
@AnthonyPerez
@AnthonyPerez 4 года назад
So machine type and bit type should be factored right?
@teodygaspar
@teodygaspar Год назад
This can be used manually using router?
@fernando.moncada.rivera
@fernando.moncada.rivera 5 лет назад
What kind of coating does the compression have? Why so many passes?
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 5 лет назад
No coating. But I was being too conservative. My usual recipe is shallower but faster (90+ IPM). But the Shapeoko can hit a full 1/4" DOC going slower.
@brianjorgensen412
@brianjorgensen412 5 лет назад
As a beginner CNC operator I am looking at costs can somebody use Dremel bits on their CNC machine I guessing they won't last as long but is that an option to start learning process
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 5 лет назад
In general, it's a terrible idea. The only endmill-looking bits they have that I know of are ones like this: amzn.to/2UqpbQx And that's a bad choice. It's too long and fragile. Any of their more grinding-oriented bits are also not good to use on a CNC You want to cut, not rub away material and cause friction or heat. Get some ebay endmills, they're a couple dollars apiece and will work fine to get you started. If you're going to spend hundreds on a CNC, don't cheap out to the point of rendering your machine useless.
@pingu99991
@pingu99991 5 лет назад
Could you run the spindle backwards to get the same result as a compression bit? I have a 3 phase spindle controlled by a VFD that would allow me to do this. I'm pretty sure there is a G-code command for spindle direction so it's in the realms of possibility to make it change halfway through the operation and then you wouldn't need to create a custom toolpath or buy an expensive endmill. Just thinking out loud here. Has anyone else tried this?
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 5 лет назад
philip james no. The cutting edges are on the wrong side.
@pingu99991
@pingu99991 5 лет назад
@@WinstonMakes ah, that makes sense. I did think that the idea was too simple to have not been implemented by anyone else before me if it were possible 😅
@matiasgoinheix366
@matiasgoinheix366 3 года назад
This is a comment on a cheap 3mm compression endmill on Amazon. Is that part about saw dust true? Sounds like a potential fire hazard. "I use these for cutting single pass 12mm & 15mm baltic birch plywood. The advantage of these mini compression bits is the packed sawdust they leave in the kerf. For my CNC cuts I do not program any hold-down tabs and the parts stay in place because the sawdust packs so tightly, in fact I need to punch them out after the machining is complete. I've been getting 2-3 full sheets of plywood per cutter, so price per longevity is a bargain."
@Panhead49EL
@Panhead49EL 6 лет назад
Jang!
@cr18036
@cr18036 5 лет назад
How do you make that tool path? Mine just wants to cut the whole circle...
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 5 лет назад
Are you using a contour or a pocket toolpath?
@cr18036
@cr18036 5 лет назад
I’m using a 2d adaptive, I’m learning Fusion and am just trying to replicate what you are doing as practice.
@cr18036
@cr18036 5 лет назад
I should have been more specific. I’m talking about the tool path at 4:02. I can not seem to replicate it and am sure I’m missing something simple.
@Bubblewhip341
@Bubblewhip341 6 лет назад
Still using that 12v makita circular saw? You should upgrade ;)
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 6 лет назад
Haha, I know. It's on the list for when I move to a bigger shop. Although if a company wants to sponsor me... 🤔
@LukeAinsworth
@LukeAinsworth 6 лет назад
Great video man. Where do you get your long 1/8 endmills from?
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 6 лет назад
I have a pair from Lakeshore Carbide and one from Kodiak Cutting Tools.
@codenstar
@codenstar 5 лет назад
Try straight flute for the same operation, and that'll cost you $5.
@HappyMadScientist
@HappyMadScientist 5 лет назад
Can't you just take one pass with the compression? I use compression bits exclusively. I cut lots of 3/4" plywood and generally just take one pass with a feed rate of 120 inch/min. But my CNC has a 5 horse spindle so...
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes 5 лет назад
Um. Yea. That's a slightly different class of machine. That being said, I have tried a 1/4" DOC pass with a comp cutter (which will engage the down-cutting flutes) at around 30-45 IPM in plywood and gotten success. Depends on how much you can push your machine.
@Robinlarsson83
@Robinlarsson83 5 лет назад
I really wanted to hit like, but as of today (2019-07-12, 07:14 UTC, the video has 666 likes, and I cant just screw that up :P
@Robinlarsson83
@Robinlarsson83 2 года назад
So, I came back an liked it today, when it had 1301 likes :D
@JohnColgan.
@JohnColgan. 3 года назад
I've just watched a guy with 1/8 compression bit cutting 3/4" ply in single pass at 50-70ipm. Unbelievable, but that is what the bit supplier is advertising it as and he showed it working. I couldn't see my 24v spindle cutting at that speed, he was on an Avid Pro. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n-1w5Yg0AJ0.html
@ronehall
@ronehall 2 года назад
Thanks for the tip, I just watched the video and going to try those out.
@jtr789310
@jtr789310 5 лет назад
First thing to know is you CNC fast enough and powerful enough for a Compression Bit. Ok let us see first figure chip load at .010 for .25-inch bit cutting depth .375 to .5 inch two flutes 1600 RPM on spindle Reed rate at 320 inch per minute can your CNC do this? if it can then you wasting your money on Compression bits. They will get to hot and burn up. Just go back to a cheaper two flute uncut and you do much better and have more money in your pocket. Running CNC is to know how to figure chip load if you have a 1 to 3 hp spindle and only can move 100 inches a minute you never going to be able to figure proper chip load so go with the cheaper bits
@rollandelliott
@rollandelliott 4 года назад
Why do you need a DIAMOND coated $80 bit to cut wood??? I love your videos, but comeon! I can't afford bits that expensive. Should of done a review on a standard compression bit that costs $20. without any fancy diamond coatings.
@samsungtv4u
@samsungtv4u 6 лет назад
lol
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