Summary of the lesson in brief: Seer and the seen are different. (Subject and object cannot be the same) The seer is only one and the seen are many. The Seen is continuously changing, the Sakshi ( the witness) remains unchanged The self cannot be known, but it is also not something which is unknown. It is more than known. It is not an object of knowledge Whatever experience is there proves, consciousness(witness) is there. This self is the true seer, the mind is the Seen. This book i is an analysis of Seer and Seen. Stages of Analysis First Stage: The eyes are the Seer and the forms and images are the Seen. Second Stage: The eyes become the Seen, the mind becomes the Seer. (Mind and eyes are different) Third stage: The mind, the thoughts are all the Seen (objects) and there is something watching them. That is called the Sakshi (the witness) Fourth Stage: That Sakshi, that is the real knower the real self. That never ever becomes an object of knowledge. And that is who you are. I am doing a proper study of these lessons by making notes, so I'll be sharing a summary in each video's comment section so that people can come back to it and get a brief idea about it
Good idea! I am Also thinking opening a page and posting small summary of discussion for each lecture. And have healthy discussions under each post. Let me know if you would be interested in discussions there. :)
Thank you for this absolutely incredible series on Vedanta. I am so grateful that I discovered it. Looking forward to listening to the complete series and also visiting the Temple in Hollywood. Just what I have been looking for.
A question for u, if u r willing to answer, else pls ignore --> If I am consciousness "C" (or u r C), then y does u and I make different decisions in similar situations? Y u & I make mistakes when C is omniscient? Y u & I are influenced by the tendencies of our individual minds? I feel through my analysis and from understanding of AV (Drg Drsya Viveka & Aparokshanubhuti) that I am mind+body through which C shines, and likewise C shines through multitudes of beings. Only during moments of no-mind states in my brain, I get the real fruits out of C (also called as the pure consciousness at that moment as it isn't consumed by the 5 sense perceptions and thought). Please comment.
Louise Denise Exactly. C illuminates whatever the mind wants. If mind decides to want what the C can provide, the mind decides to stop reacting to it’s past acquired tendencies, which include tendencies to react to sensory data, and tendencies to react to high-frequency memory-thought combinations (those frequently traveled neuronal paths). When mind gets that control through meditation, jnana yoga (of AV), etc, then the mind would finally reach the stage where it can state its desire and just wait for C to provide. The omniscient omnipresent C can provide anything, but we lost access to all that due to the ever-busy nature of mind. MAKES SENSE?
EXCELLENT.....MY HEARTIEST PRANAM TO MAHARAJ JI ....I REQUEST VEDANTA SOCIETY TO POST EACH AND EVERY LECTURES DELIVERED BY MAHARAJ. IT IS VERY MUCH HELPFUL FOR EACH AND EVERY HUMAN BEING
❤ My first contact with Swami Sarvapriyananda 6 years ago, what a happy discovery, and the great privilege to study and take in his teaching of dṛg dṛśya viveka. 😊
Followed all this for months and have come back here to re-view. These teachings are without compare. Just about impossible to express my deepest thanks for this. Most helpful and deeply inspiring!
*** .... I am... 'I am' that is created in us... is created by our mind. Our mind is habituated to name every object and emotions it observes. It also names the observer as 'I am'. This 'I am' is only created through flow of thoughts. This virtual 'I am' has a role to manage exteriority /external actions through discriminating intellect but has no scope / power to regulate its source (the thoughts) or emotions created out of thoughts. But through meditation 'I am' tries to regulates the thoughts and emotions... with an intention to free from the attachments or bondages. Meditation gives only temporary relief. All our problems climb back on our shoulders few minutes after we come out of meditations... It is the reality, Understanding the truth that this 'I am' is only virtual (or an illusion)... will free one from all bondages. It is the eternal freedom called as Liberation or Nirvana. The intellectual understanding that gives this freedom is Enlightenment. - Sri Bagavath .. I am ... Only from our thoughts ... the non existing 'I am' is created as an illusion as if 'I am' exists. We generally assume that our thoughts are getting created from a permanent identity called as 'I am'... but it is not so. If there is no thought... there is no 'I am'... 'I am' is only a thought... There is no thought in deep sleep and hence 'I am' is also not there. Each thought has an Experiencer and the Experience together... There is no Experiencer without an Experience... also there is no Experience without an Experiencer... Only an Experience creates the Experiencer... not the otherway... 'I am' is only an Experience... Who am I? 'I am' is only an experience. Our memory is only a collection of experience. 'I am' is only a collection of experiences related to my name, my place, my education etc. Where there is no experience... there is no 'I am'... Only when anger occurs the angry person appears. The angry person is not getting the anger. Only after anger appears... the angry person is getting created. We can express ourselves only with some type of experience. Experiencer is created as a shadow of experience. So 'I am' is also an experience. So... within us there is no permanent person as 'I am'. As the experience are impermance in nature... this 'I am' is also impermanence within the experience. - Sri Bagavath
@@muralisub6534 When the experience of a rose flower in playing (or running) in the brain under the light of consciousness "C" (or enabled by C), who is experiencing the experience?
I am paying my gratitude to you for all the vedant lature that you uploaded at youtube. I am taking each video as my homework and trying to implement it in daily life. Swami g, there is a request, kindly provide 'Tattav Bodha' video also. ओम् तत् सत् .
Looking fwd to gaining more insights n becoming a better person..revisiting this series as it reveals deeper truths as you listen again n again....Thank you Swamiji for sharing yr thoughts on this wonderful text.
I am still stuck at the second query. I also had the same thought. How can the mind not be playing the role of witness. How do we know that witness is not just a part of the mind.
I feel fortunate to get a chance to listen to you, may be only through your videos. You have a magic of making intricate subjects so simple n lucid. I express my gratitude n indebtedness. My regards- 'pranam', 'charansparsh'.
Namaste Swamiji.. I was very delightful to found your channel and I've been following your teaching for more than 1 year. I thought that I would like to share your video to my Hindu Community in Indonesia. How do I start? Is it permitted to share your video in my own channel? Please share your advice. Many many thanks Swamiji. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti Om..🙏🙏
इस पुस्तक को समझने का ऑपरेटिंग प्रिंसिपल या कार्यकारी कौशल (maneuver) इस सिद्धान्त पर आधारित है कि द्रष्टा (seer) दृश्य (Seen) से पृथक है। यह पुस्तक और मैं एक दूसरे से पृथक हैं, मैं द्रष्टा हूँ और यह पुस्तक दृश्य है। पहला श्लोक नाटकीय अंदाज में कहता है - रूपं दृश्यं लोचनं दृक् तद्दृश्यं दृक्तु मानसम् । दृश्या धीवृत्तयः साक्षी दृगेव न तु दृश्यते ॥ १॥ ‘सर्वप्रथम नेत्र द्रष्टा हैं और रूप दृश्य है। फिर मन द्रष्टा है और नेत्रादि इंद्रियाँ दृश्य है। फिर बुद्धि द्रष्टा है और मन दृश्य है। अंत में बुद्धि की वृत्तियों का (चित्त -मन-बुद्धि -अहंकार का) भी जो द्रष्टा है, वह साक्षी (स्वयं प्रकाश आत्मा) किसी का भी दृश्य नहीं है।’ जो ज्ञाता (the Subject) है वह ज्ञेय वस्तु (Object) से अलग
Not sure if someone already mentioned this in the comments. I still cant wrap my head around the logic of the philosophy although I spend a large portion of every week studying Vedanta. We logically walked up thru the conclusion that the Witness was the seer and the Mind the seen. So shouldn't we be able to continue the logic and conclude something must be the seer of the Witness and then it also becomes the seen, ad infinitum. These upper realms are out of our ability to know they exist so we would not be able to come to a conclusion. Or can someone point me to passages in the Vedanta literature that I can use as a sound conclusion (or close to it) that it stops at the "witness" (realizing the Witness is in no way an entity of some kind
Precisamos das legendas em português em todos os vídeos. Existem várias pessoas interessadas em vedanta no Brasil. We need portuguese subtitles. There are many people in Brazil interested in Vedanta. Please, do it for us.
Namaskarams Master. Could you please tell me which Drg Drsya Vivek book is followed - I would like to get the one with both Sanskrit (or Devanagari) AND English shlokas and their meaning.. Thank you.
I am confused at a point... The first principle is that the seer and the seen are different. Then how the mind can introspect itself? Isn't it infringing the first principle itself?
Swamiji you are saying drig and drishya are separate...I am the seer of joy or pain...then how can by this logic atman and sakshi/jiva be one because Brahman or atman is the seer of everyone/thing, including the "I/jiva". Then how can "I/jiva" AND atman be one. Is there not duality. Please answer sir.
How to experience all this? How does your theory of Vedanta unify with Scientific theories of Quantum Physics and general theory Gravity and theory of beginning and end of Universe? We should have one grand unifying theory. otherwise you are talking about something and science is talking about something. if both are talking about same Universe then theories should be consistent.!
When Swami said, You are the Witness seeing your Mind..... (I thought Ok i know this.....) Then he said..... Now, apply all the Three principles (Seer and seen are different, Seer is one seen are many, seer is unchanging seen is changing......... (Really Something flashed......)
Swamij, pranam. Lecture says that "Seen keeps changing and seer remains relatively unchanging." But when we think deeper a little we come to know that this is not always the case i e many times this rule is violetd..E.g. mountain, tree are seen by my eyes. Here seen (tree, mountain etc) they remain unchanged and seer (i.e. eyes or my body) keeps moving, or changing. Secondly, when mind becomes seer and eyes or any other organ becomes seen in this case also - frequncy of change in mind is often more than that of body organs, so here also inspite of mind being seer it changes more often than 'seen' i e body organ which were supposed to be more changing than mind. Perhaps we are using word "Change" (in seen and seer) very loosely. Exact definition perhaps is needed so that the base will be more "FIRM".
You should listen again the speech of swamiji to find what did you miss. Always remember that you are an entity other than not only your body but also your mind. To realize this fact you should remove your body (of course includes brain) and your mind. Still there is left some thing in you and that is the entity. This entity is 'you', which is a seer which sees not only your body but also your mind.). Now, you read the question you asked and see that you missed a vert important concept of Vedanta. When a person leaves his house, family, property, friends, goodwill etc. and goes to forest, we say he has become 'Sanyasi'. This is totally wrong. Why ? Because he/she will still have his body and mind with him/her. A 'sanyas' will be complete only when one leaves his body and mind. Once the mind is there with him, he/she has brought all 'dirt' of the world, which he was indulging before coming to forest. In normal case, a person dies and thus forced to leave his body and mind. The thing has to be done voluntarily and consciously. A person who can do this is called 'Yogi'. It is said that Raman Maharshi was able to separate himself from his body and could see his own deadbody. If you are able to become an observer of not only your body (which you do otherwise and hence not a great deal) but also your mind (which is really very difficult), then only you will be enlightened. Some people have inherent capability and they get enlightened early in their life. But, many people take many births still they don't. So the first step, namely, to realize yourself separate from your mind, itself is very hard. This requires lot of practice and swamiji has a full lecture on medication which makes your path easy to perform the first step as above. keshav
Dear Mr.Rohan, here we need to understand the definition of the word change, if we take the example of mountain even when a stone falls from the part of the mountain it is a change in the shape of the mountain, mountain temperature changes w.r.t the heat cold around the mountain, these all are considered to be the changes. As of trees leaves will fall daily and new leaves grow slowly it is also a change. So we need to consider the change in micro for massive objects. Also consider your own body you cannot perceive the change every day but there is change compared to childhood, youth etc.. So the change of any object is w.r.t time, but there is a change in objects. The seer can only be experienced it cannot be described or explained. Sri Ramakrishna Gospel is the best book for present thinking to build the faith in seer, as Sri Ramakrishna explained the way to build the faith in the seer with small stories and how to experience seer in our every day life.
*** .... I am... 'I am' that is created in us... is created by our mind. Our mind is habituated to name every object and emotions it observes. It also names the observer as 'I am'. This 'I am' is only created through flow of thoughts. This virtual 'I am' has a role to manage exteriority /external actions through discriminating intellect but has no scope / power to regulate its source (the thoughts) or emotions created out of thoughts. But through meditation 'I am' tries to regulates the thoughts and emotions... with an intention to free from the attachments or bondages. Meditation gives only temporary relief. All our problems climb back on our shoulders few minutes after we come out of meditations... It is the reality, Understanding the truth that this 'I am' is only virtual (or an illusion)... will free one from all bondages. It is the eternal freedom called as Liberation or Nirvana. The intellectual understanding that gives this freedom is Enlightenment. - Sri Bagavath .. I am ... Only from our thoughts ... the non existing 'I am' is created as an illusion as if 'I am' exists. We generally assume that our thoughts are getting created from a permanent identity called as 'I am'... but it is not so. If there is no thought... there is no 'I am'... 'I am' is only a thought... There is no thought in deep sleep and hence 'I am' is also not there. Each thought has an Experiencer and the Experience together... There is no Experiencer without an Experience... also there is no Experience without an Experiencer... Only an Experience creates the Experiencer... not the otherway... 'I am' is only an Experience... Who am I? 'I am' is only an experience. Our memory is only a collection of experience. 'I am' is only a collection of experiences related to my name, my place, my education etc. Where there is no experience... there is no 'I am'... Only when anger occurs the angry person appears. The angry person is not getting the anger. Only after anger appears... the angry person is getting created. We can express ourselves only with some type of experience. Experiencer is created as a shadow of experience. So 'I am' is also an experience. So... within us there is no permanent person as 'I am'. As the experience are impermance in nature... this 'I am' is also impermanence within the experience. - Sri Bagavath
Zed Mist Excellent discourse Maharaj. We get the traditional essence of this prokoron grantha ( with reference from Shankarbhashya) from your talk. This helped me a lot to understand Vedanta. I think the series is not complete, eagerly waiting for the next upload.
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but consciousness is the seer and any thought or anything percieved by the 5 senses is the seen... it's saying we are the infinite consciousness, it isn't talking about the eyes.... the notion of "me" wouldn't be the seer because vedanta teachers that I am a fleeting existence, my real state is consciousness, so it makes sense that the first evrse is talking about consciousness and not the eyes... hmmmmmmmmmmmm
