Irish Potato Famine - Black '47 - Part 3 - Extra History 

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Woooo also good job on 2 m

Also you probably may not see this but could you guys do a vid on the crew?

Hey,EC,what happened to the Kiner bro.s?I've noticed that they've stopped producing music for EC,so what's going on?

That's about the level of consistency I find from people extoling the "virtues of the free market"

By definition, not a free market when the government distorts prices and bars bartering.

Whenever the government plays favorites, the market and the people suffer

Sound like conservatives

I was disappointed by the number of little logical issues in this script, such as what you noted. In addition, they couldn't get fish because "most of the fisherman had pawned their nets for cornmeal." But presumably someone else now has the net and so why would there be fewer fish available? Also, were fisherman really saying "Hmm, I could keep my net and always be able to get food or I could pawn it and have food for today only." EC's statement seems a bit suspicious to me.

Ottoman and Sultan Abdülhamid wanted to send 10.000£ but England Queen didn't accept that because England send only 2000£ so she didn't wanted dying Ottoman's help more than greatest empire in the world but Ottoman still sended ships carrying food supplies to Ireland secretly...

Oyuncu25 ve Bilim sad thing is it’s true British caught some Ottomans helping the Irish and killed. Other people were willing to help even at the cost of their own lives but not the British who are literally united with Ireland. That’s just messed up.

Moifi kea American Wilbur Ross: it’s fineeee. They can just take out a loan

Abusive adopted parent that also thinks you are a broken toy

"Cries In Starving Irishman"

And likely discharged for insubordination to King and Country.

@@AimlessSavant Yeeeep! Sometimes life can have a real bitter irony to it.

@@AimlessSavant F*** King and Country.They served people.

@@impervas5801 the only people who should have mattered. The people of Ireland.

Ominethius, Queen Victoria was the monarch not a King.

Dixie Normous Tell me, how are those British Territories in Africa and India? Oh wait..

@@dixienormous8559 nothing says success like getting your asses kicked by the colonies

@@OwnFall420. Er, Duh, We got rid of them after WW2 because they were more trouble than they were worth and they wanted to be independent. Don't they teach history at your school? The colonial era was at an end and we didn't need to worry anymore about Germans, French, Dutch, Belgians, Italians, Spanish, & Portuguese grabbing them instead. We kept them while it mattered Which kept our enemies weaker and the UK stronger. Got a problem with that?

@@dixienormous8559 but Irish won the independence war against your country lol

@@srijayasalim3608 Actually they didn't. They signed a peace treaty compromise agreement which allowed the North to stay British. It had been made clear to them that rejection of this treaty would result in the full might of the British army being deployed against them. Wisely they chose to sign up, but then they started killing each other instead. Not much of a win lol.

Chingiz Zhylkybayev LOL

Nice

Even if you're an athiest, you can find this funny

The Gaels: Ó mo Dhia

@@quasar7951 As an atheist, I can indeed confirm that this is funny.

Because no matter where you are in the world people who are starving and in oppression are people after all.

@@Danjor2005 Unless you're British, apparently...

Motherfuckin solidarity of the downtrodden. That's as noble as you can get. And the Tory nobility who caused the famine have the gaul to call themselves "nobility"

This brings faith to humanity, even the forgotten. Bless to those that did something big, but in a very small way.

Also almost teared up at "The Irish had 2 Choices: 1. Stay & fight for Ireland or 2. Leave. Me: My Family...chose to leave.

An the Taoiseach's Chokataw nation scholarship

Hm…. respect

The paradox of Laissez-faire capitalism.

Yup. No intervention except those that are politically convenient

⁠@@requiem6465this is a mixed market, laissez-faire would be allowing American grain aswell

(Lenny face)

I eat kids like you ..And questionable username #1344728484

Love those hash browns

*hashtag brows*

you wanna know something worse than the famine? When you get more then 5 poisoned potatos in minecraft from a harvest

Dantonion i think the one about John Snow was pretty depressing as well

@@leaf7392 But that one didn't have a sad Irish style outro.

Dantonion I'm in a place where I can't listen to it I'll listen to the outro later

@@leaf7392 At least John Snow wasn't running around trying to spread cholera to weed out the surplus population or anything like that.

Indeed. They're about tied for me.

SerenityM16 r/im14andthisisdeep

This showed the flaws and the greed of those in power in Britain. Only wanting to protect their own interests and wealth at the expense of other countless less fortunate people.

TheLord OfNuggets wrong time to use that meme

That's when humans are beautiful, when they can even best angels at being saints

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well they weren't really considered as part of the population. they were conquered to be exploited.

Seyah I think mao and Stalin would love that

We still do it today. I can think of a few client populations that are treated the same way.

Ryan Japan dont even fucking start.

Ottoman's too. They sent like a million dollars in today's money and a whole lot of food

@@benjaminzeledon7626 That's impressive, but still it's hard to top people who were presumably postponing purchasing their own freedom.

Benjamin Zeledon Also the fact that the Ottomans were one of the most brutal Empires in history and it's generally believed that they made their relief efforts in order to try and undermine British rule in Ireland.

Well if there's one good thing about being enslaved it's that your owner is financially invested in your survival and will keep you alive if possible... For the Irish there was no one who cared if they lived or died, the British were just as happy to let them die and take their land for their own use. I think even the slaves of the American south realized just how horrible the conditions were for the Irish despite being "free people." This was also long before being "white" meant much in the eyes of the rich, the Irish (especially Catholic Irish) were probably ranked just as low as the black slaves except less useful and more unruly/threatening. That said, it is an incredible gesture of compassion for an enslaved person to send what little money they had to help those even less fortunate than themselves, truly a testament to human kindness and self-sacrifice. And I'm sure the Irishmen fighting for the Union kept that little event in mind as they drove through the South decimating the Confederates.

That American visitor must've felt like he walked into a horror show!

Imagine an American used to abject slavery and second class citizenship being facts of life looking somewhere and thinking, 'This is immoral!' That's how bad the British were.

@@jtjpro13 "The Irish are supposedly free, but are treated worse than the enslaved." (Please note, I am not trying to justify slavery, but emphasizing the horror at how the English treated their own subjects).

@@animewatch4213 You don't have to be Irish to hate him. Just human. :( I actually tried to look up how he died after posting this in hopes that he caught some wasting disease that there might be justice via irony (but found nothing.)

@@Psychol-Snooper Yeah he is evil. You are merely hoping an other human died a horrible death. What are you then? He at least thought he did the right thing. You just hope someone else suffered.

@@matthiase3287 There was an opinion piece in the Times during the height of Black '47 that said, "Soon a Celtic Irishman will be as rare as a Redskin in Manhattan." Even if he believed he was doing the right thing, to him, the right thing was genocide. Are you really going to claim Trevelyan had the moral high ground over someone outraged that Trevelyan's plan resulted in 1 million deaths? My country has never recovered its population since an Ghorta Mór. We still curse Cromwell and Trevelyan's names to this day. I hope he was denied the heaven he believed in, due to his own refusal to show simple, Christian mercy to the people of Ireland.

@@matthiase3287 a direct quote from Trevelyan about the famine: "I hope I am not guilty of irreverence in thinking that, this being altogether beyond the power of man, the cure has been applied by the direct stroke of an all-wise Providence […]. God grant that we may rightly perform our part, and not turn into a curse what was intended for a blessing." He saw the Famine as a blessing. But hating him for that means we're worse than someone who KILLED A MILLION PEOPLE, right?

@@matthiase3287 Hoping that a person who did horibly bad things (even tho he thought it was for the greater good) suffered what he inflicted to others isn't a sin or whatever you call it. It's being human and it's perfectly normal.

No were actually sure they really really did

Oh, they did think of the Irish as an inferior race, an attitude that is also common in white supremacist groups in the US surprisingly. the definition of who is or is not white being something they get to control. It's not hate really, it's more the colonial mindset closer to home. The British learned their brutal repression tactics over hundreds of years by first practicing on the Irish and Scots.

well... Trevelyan _did_ say, "the judgment of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson." but I guess we'll never know.

What gave you that idea...

It’s hating the Irish and Malthusian ideology.

Most nations are terrible, then.

nope.

@@Bloodlyshiva also true

Gandhi* not ghandi

@@Bloodlyshiva well, yeah.

no ,no you see those laws were about maintaining the status quo for England at Ireland's Expense. They functionally removed any ability for the Irish to make money then blamed them for being poor. After all a wealthy Ireland becomes a competitor and free-market principles don't so sound so good when it means you might actually have to play by the rules.

It's as if all capitalists are ideologues with hypocritical values! Who'd have thought?

No different then with so called “Socialists”.

I heartily disagree. Trevelyan wasn't a capitalist, at the very least not in regards to his actions during the famine. He was a genocidal racist. Saying things like, "the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson."

@@nonya_bidness Ideologue? Yes. Racist? Probably not, or at least to no great degree. What he was, is religious. Keep in mind that at that time, even writing with your left hand was considered blasphemous worthy of caning in English schools. If you remove the religious aspect of it, I'm sure the famine would've played out VERY differently, if at all.

Yep I live in Drogheda and we use a symbol from a culture so far away from us, just shows how much Irish hated any British symbol

Yes £1000 were given for relief however there is no evidence of the sultan wanting to send 10000 save rumour. he did express that he would help which was sent along with the money (also his ships were told to divert since at the time Britain and the ottomans were on thin ice politically)

No it isn't actually confirmed and the coastal town of Droghera had a crescent on its coat of arms long before the famine happened.

The reason they aren't mentioning is that it most likely isn't true. It's just an unsubstantiated rumour put about by Irish nationalists.

Whether or not the 10k was offered or not the coat of arms has nothing to do with the Sultan or the famine. The star and crescent came from the royal seal of King John, who gave the town its charter. The star and crescent emblem in the crest of the coat of arms is mentioned as part of the mayor's seal by D'Alton (1844).[19] In 2010, Irish president Mary McAleese, in a speech delivered during an official visit to Turkey, stated that the star and crescent had been added in the aftermath of the Great Famine as gratitude for food supplies donated by the Ottoman Sultan, which had arrived at Drogheda by ship. Irish press quickly pointed out the story was a myth, with a local historian calling it 'nothing short of sheer nonsense'.

Ok too many people are latching on to the misunderstanding that "you can't have Laissez-faire and blocking American imports". This seems to be a misunderstanding of @4:54 . So no the imports where not blocked, just the British government made a policy that "any Maize purchased (*by the British government* ) come from _British_ merchants " See also @5:37 There was no embargo, simply put the Irish were to poor and global demand moved the price of food out of their reach. Nothing shown here is contradictory of laissez-faire economics. There is no contradiction. Also to point US Ships arrived with food relief on 17 March 1847, foodstuffs were loaded onto The Jamestown. It left Boston for Cork a week later, taking only 15 days and three hours to complete the transatlantic journey. All of the crew were volunteers. The captain, Robert Forbes.

​@@erikanders3343 But again, why were the Irish poor, because of the government intervening and taking land from the Irish, and regulating inheritance law. That's not free-market capitalist, and very much contrary. A free-market by it's nature requires opportunity for social mobility, and by the government stealing Irish property, they took away that opportunity for advancement, and made Ireland a land of poor. A free-market also requires respect of property rights. Also, the government favoring certain producers due to things other then price and quality is also against the free-market. racism and nationalist are in direct conflict to the free-market.

@@Gamerad360 You seem to not understand how free markets work. the regulation f inheritance is not a market factor, just as in the country you can't claim the United States is not a free market economy because we tax and regulate inheritance. You are either unaware of the context of the term and not using logic or ... who knows, this argument seems to hold no purpose. Also No, a free market has no concerns with "social mobility" it is about the movement of good and services based on least cost most benefit. In regulated economies like most of the industrialized world that regulation enables enough stability for the markets to not be chaotic, but enough instability to allow disruption and progress. I recommend reading Adam Smiths foundational works on the subject to understand what is the role and capability of a free market. Also, as the first and second videos already covered the reasons for Irish poverty are far more complex than "the government did it" I recommend watching the first two videos then coming back. Lastly, No the crown respected property rights, but those rights belonged to either English, nonresident landowners or largely nonresident Anglican Irish, The native Irish lost their land rights ("property"; being a much much broader term) prior because they sold, forfeited it in court for criminal (often trumped up) or in rebellion. Remember that the landlords who were pushing the poor Irish off the lands were just employees and they did what economically was in their best interest (see free market). SO much so in the next video, you will see that evictions went up as relief efforts started coming in.

@@erikanders3343 so as always, they always use the free market when it's convenient to them, but when it's not, the go full interventionist in order to protect their interests, the interests of the nation or whatever.....always happens.

@@erikanders3343 You seem to not understand how "free market" oligarchy works. Mr armchair economist

Ikr

Well that's capitalism for you.

@@animalsarecomradestoo.8995 Capitalism can be a successful within the right framework, look at social democracies like Sweden. Besides socialism/communism usually leads to famines when agricultural reform is attempted and blundered and/or is led by authoritarian leaders with little or no regard for human life.

@@animalsarecomradestoo.8995 Not exactly that "capitalist boogeyman", but lack of morals and ethics, or guidance. Any country that has deep societal problems will reveal this, often shifting the blame to an economical system.

Edward Chuck Agreed. This is far more the fault of malice and lack of empathy on the part of the British government than on capitalism (which, before anyone says anything, is responsible for it’s fair share of tragedy and suffering as well).

Don't let a contradiction get in the way of a genocide.

@Angel Fox That's because they aren't actually about the others they are supposed to describe, but about the majority society and its own ideals. The idea of racism is people basically telling themselves "don't be like that", even though deep down inside their human self would love to. Hard work sucks, but if you believe that hard work is a moral ideal, it helps to externalise this inner contradiction by hating on supposedly lazy Irish or Gypsies instead of admitting you have a lazy side yourself. You are supposed to obey authority, but at the same time as a human you hate being told what to do, so instead of acknowledging that you have a rebellious side yourself, you hate the supposedly rebellious Irish.

@@gustavoavila392 cringe

When nothing is left, not even the mercy of grace and charity, we see who man really is and what we really are. This is not a condemnation of the past, but a fact of what we are and why we must never treat others as different to ourselves

You've already put more thought into this mindset than the people who believed in it did

AlphaxAlex yup it was fuel for the Easter Rebellion

American here, and I've heard a lot about the animosity from Ireland (or certain parts of it at least) towards Great Britain before these videos, but now I have a whole new understanding of it.

yeah, it wouldn't have taken a whole lot to fix this mess, a few grain shipments from america would have done the trick, as an englishman I am disgusted and embarrassed.

thats what you get with the British Empire, that empire was morally corrupt and cared not for anyone who wasn't British.

Yeah we still have a anti-British sentiment to this day over the sins of the British administration in the past, beidh lá eile ag an bPaorach.

Yeah, it's basically the worst possible handling of the situation. The benefit of the free market is that scarcity causes prices to rise which causes exports to areas of scarcity and intensification of production of the product. To some degree it spread the famine in other parts of Europe (areas with relatively good harvests still had food shortages because much of the food was exported to be sold in famine ridden areas) but also let the famine be eased by food imports...simultaneously not intervening to support people with food, and buying food from domestic merchants selling it at a higher price instead of buying it chepaer from foreign producers, is weirdly contradictory and basically stuff all the advantages of the free market in a bin.

Its less free market and more mercantile economics IE China's economic system (Since they stopped being Communist quite some time ago.)

@@tevildo7718 mercantilism is something completely different, the prior political party in control up till 1846 were Tories who were protectionist by nature having deep monied interests in the grain and food exporters. However, Charles Trevelyan was a liberal (does not mean the same thing as now) who believed strongly in laissez-faire economic principles and thus they required that everyone be paid and the pay would be on a market set price of food products.

It was an excuse. A blatant lie to appease the capitalists. What England was actually doing was attempting to exterminate the Irish as a people. Kill a good portion, pseudo-enslave and convert the rest.

@@lonewolfM16 Protectionism is inherently contrary to a free-market.

Must’ve been a good teacher

You do realise he is describing the beliefs of a separate person.(can't tell if your being sarcastic or not)

@@bradleystewart5444 I know he was =) Was just humoring the belief system of said-separate person.

"I really hate poor people"- Thomas Malthus 1844.

@Phillip issa meme. If he could've he would've

It's a stupid concept that in broad terms still pops up every so often, worrying about overpopulation, though nowadays usually with more concern and less of a moral focus.

And somehow his ideas still float around, in various fashions in most political prties. I blame the stone age, hunter gatherer part of the human brain that sees economics as zero sum and there being a limited amount of food.

@@farmerboy916 Uh. That stone age part of the human brain is based on the physical universe. More accurately, economics (like nearly everything else) is a long-term negative sum game, and there very much is a limited amount of resources, and a limited amount of food that can be created with those resources. Even acquiring fresh drinkable water, for example, is no easy task. The ideas of Thomas Malthus are quite sound, in some instances. What politicians do with those ideas...ehhhhhhhhhhhhh.

G. Hammond Incorrect. Malthus only saw the mouths of people, and not the hands; when extra food can be created by new technological advancements, more people can actually produce more food more efficiently.

@@farmerboy916 Hmm. No. I'm sure you're far more familiar with the law of diminishing returns than I. I'll simply point out that the potato was one such technological advancement, and it didn't go so well in the end for the people depending solely upon it. Technology can't solve stupidity or greed, and it only adds to the problem of waste products, incl. gases, radiation, and heat. Mouths, hands...and arses, I'm afraid. I also would not express such confidence in the people who control said technologies. Savvy?

his ideas were basically an early example of social darwinism

I guess thats some painted sign on the doors window.

your right, take your upvotes.

I did

The coachman has a double hat. The horse...

There is probably some very deep symbolism somewhere.

can we not use dank memes to joke about a mass genocide?

@@Pikazilla No joke, the ideologies Thanos expresses in the film come straight from the mouth of Thomas Malthus.

@@Pikazilla Uhm, no. Why? Because it sums it up perfectly. Malthus was a borderline imbecile - yada yada hindsight and all that - and the fact that one of his students was involved in this event kind of informs anyone who knows about him about how stupidly managed this whole situation can get. Also, maybe, some people joke to understand it better, ever think of that? And, maybe it helps to insult the idiots in power to show that we can understand the position of those who got royally screwed by this situation.

Yeah... this was irl Thanos JUST NOT AS THICC BOI

Dr. Vikyll okay, that’s a bit....not serious.

I WAS ABOUT SAY THAT HAHAHA

I thought my phone got flipped then he said Australia 💀

@CK Lim That did not happen, please watch the video.

@Z'Q , or the people that inherited fortunes from etc etc... One would think by now the human race would have figured out that rare indeed is the inherited fortune that does any societal good. Taxing the crap out of inheritances at least keeps the wheels turning, the money moving, instead of cementing a lucky few on top.

That's why you dont combined free trade policies with nationalism. It's an utter stupid contradiction.

Is this fact?

Now I know why the hatred of british is so great.

@@AlmaTorran97 Yes. Look it up.

@@AlmaTorran97 Yes, you can look up Sultan Abdul Majeed, also when his offer of 10.000 pounds was declined by the british goverment, he sent 5 ships full of grain and other storable food to Droghera. Which has put a crescent and a star on it's coat of arms in thanks to the Sultan, there were also articles written by british media about "the benevolent sultan" You can find out more here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TQgAgecfIqA.html

@@AlmaTorran97 yes

Tell the teacher "it's the fungal type of virus"

That teacher is an idiot

Say the English, Say the English, Say the English, Say the English

It's British actually (maybe?)

Loaded question. The virus brought about the famine. The English brought about the death.

bacon eggs speech 100

Well, they get some things wrong. I reccomend she reviews the video's facts before showing them.

My 6th grade SS teacher used the Punic wars videos because he was tired. It was a good week.

props to you

@@bruhgaming3142 Yeah but... no history book exists that is flawless either. Some are "wrong" on purpose, most by mistake.

Exercising imperial control over someone else's land

OOOOOOOOOOOOH! * airhorns and confetti *

Well yes and no. It’s not the responsibility of the upper class to do so. If I was in the upper class tho I would help as much as I could but the governments incompetence that starved them.

@@opticfloyyyd And the government doesn't count as the upper class in it's own way how?

it's because of a system of class which exists to reward the rich and destroy the poor. This goes against all morality.

Lets not forget how many Irish and other 'convicts' from the UK who as little as 8 years old 'stole Trevelyan's corn', stole an apple from an orchard, or skipped paying a train ticket; were indebted by the prison system and sent to Australia and other British colonies to work off their debt as indentured servants. Sure, for some it avoided starving miserably.

Clearly you weren't actually paying attention to the information presented.

+03germas Nah, in Wales it really wasn't taught properly. It was only ever covered in a single lesson and it just said that the crop was killed by a fungus, it didn't actually talk about the English help or lack of. My guess is they kept it out of our cirriculum because they were worried about causing more anti-English sentiment in Wales, but ye, a lot of people are very uneducated about the topic. I only really learned about it as an adult.

Was ALL the british fault.

@@iamcuthulu316 i would say it was currupt officals you dont blame an entire nation for what a few terrible people did

@@iamcuthulu316 The plague affecting the potatoes was the only thing the British weren't responsible for. The terrible aftermath to the blight is entirely Britain's fault.

Politics. He did get kicked out by both parties at the time.

His only error seemed to make his relief plan too much complicated. At least according to those videos.

The Britain empire wanted to kill the Irish Catholics and Robert peel tried to save them which is why the soup stuff was not helpful it only let Protestants eat soup

@@timdadwagan I mean, I get the idea that Peel was pushing the Soup, right? Or was he trying to get around the Soup? And I recognize that the Protestant British didn't like the Catholic Irish, but I figured they were just trying to change them. Not commit outright genocide (besides Trevelyan wanting to, of course).

I don't know think my Irish ancestors came during 1847

Look into why the St. Patrick's day parade is a national event across the USA. The Irish weren't exactly welcome to America. After some time in America the Irish began to take on a lot of jobs that routed them into American culture. They took on paving roads, fighting fires, and policing. Over the years they started a solitary movement to fight for recognition as Americans and each year that movement is celebrated with parades.

@@dankdreamz Chinese, Polish, and so on. Any homogeneous wave of immigration is going to get some degree of resentment. During the Civil War, Irish immigrants were recruited for military service at the dock.

​@@525Lines True. Its kinda one the stupid things in American culture that the last wave of immigration from a single country will be the most hated immigrants. Give it another decade and no one here will care about Mexican or South/Central American immigrants. Since we'll be to busy complaining about the next wave of Chinese or Korean immigrants for "Tak'n ur Jerbs!"

@@525Lines The Irish and Chinese were instrumental in the creation of the Railways across the country as well as many of the man made reservoirs in California.

yidasjdjasgd what are you talking about, that’s what Australians are like, who said anything about upside down

Yep. The name I think throws a lot of people off. It is just one crop. How could it be that bad? But yes it was a horror show unseen in a European country for hundreds of years. What I wasn't aware of was just how much politics were involved. They were freaking still sending grain to England while people were dying in the streets!

I wouldn't go so far as to say we do it to each other, we can definitely make it worse though.

@@learningagain4094 Oh no, we do it to ourselves. In 1915, the Ottoman Empire closed the Syrian border with Lebanon, the same year locusts killed practically all of the Lebanese crops and blockades in the Mediterranean Sea meant western food couldn’t reach Lebanon. Over the next 3 years, 1 in every 3 Lebanese people starved to death, in some regions as many as 1 in 2 starved.

Pls fix grammar, that wording is painful.

Dagan Ward and that was his name his name which his name was.

@@chinchillaruby4170 wooosh

Es ist mir egal, ob es einen Witz gibt. Wer falsche Grammatik verwendet, muss in ein Arbeitslager gesteckt werden.

I KNOW! It's fucking hilarious how a man named Peel had to oversee the potato famine

hello justin.

From Derek Ross: A "Laissez-faire, laissez passer" economy is one with minimal regulation and taxation. As originally proposed by the Physiocrats, the only tax would have been Land Value Tax. Otherwise, people would be left to trade without supervision or regulation. The only control would be contract law as determined by the legal system. A "Free Market" economy is one in which markets are kept competitive. Under normal circumstances, markets will evolve from an initially free, competitive state where there are many buyers and sellers to a monopolistic or monopsonistic state where there are a few large sellers (or less commonly a few large buyers). This may happen through mergers, through seller control over market entry or for other reasons. However, it generally happens in the absence of government regulation to prevent it. So a Free Market economy generally has a good deal of government supervision and regulation to maintain the freedom of the markets. A "Capitalist" economy is one in which people use money to make more money. While both a Laissez-faire and a Free Market economy could, in principle, be based on barter, a Capitalist economy cannot. Money is a required component of a Capitalist economy. In addition, monetary profits are extremely important to people in a Capitalist economy. Since free markets produce lower monetary profits for an individual seller than monopolistic markets, a rational capitalist seller will always try to convert a free market to a monopolistic market. Hence while a capitalist economy may start out as a free market economy, it will not stay "free-market" if it is also a laissez-faire economy. So the three are not the same thing. They each describe different aspects of an actual economy.

Ok too many people are latching on to the misunderstanding that "you can't have Laissez-faire and blocking American imports". This seems to be a misunderstanding of 4:54 . So no the imports where not blocked, just the British government made a policy that "any Maize purchased come from _British_ merchants " Nothing shown here is contradictory of Laissez-faire economics. There is no contradiction.

Protect the "free" market-- fixed if for you. By which he meant "the fixed market of English merchants".

I don't get the "upside down" joke about Australia.

The fairies are always messing with crap

Wrong religion buddy.

@@iamcuthulu316 Not exactly...Dublin is Nordic for a start and Irish history is known to play fast and loose with fairytales. When the Norsemen came they didn't so much conquer as become Irish and myths and tales began to share a commonality. Midgard my not be Irish but our legends are just as fantastical.

Colum Peel That's a stretch. The fairies are originally an idea out of Irish polytheism, not Norse. They're similar to the wights in Anglo-Saxon folklore.

@@robertmacdonald6527 Not disputing what your saying, but Irish folklore is known to be somewhat morphic and inspired by some outside influence. As you highlighted there is comparason with the English and Germans, known trade partners.

Me too. It somehow expresses the tragedy that happened.

With the only difference that DAI's Inquisitor Trevelyan - at least mine - was unquestionably a Hero. Unlike this Bastard.

@Rick K Yup, me too.

I didn't pick the human origin in DAI because I hated the name Trevelyan lol. You can blame this fucker for that.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

@Rick K You know how the Emerald Graves got its name right?

Free market but you protect the merchants not the consumers

Free marker, but you protect the wealth of one small area instead of the whole empire.

hypocrisy

Mercantilism!

Freemarket was an excuse. The famine was a genocide that was allowed to happen, the took the ability for people to feed themselves when they stole the land, all they had to do was sit there and watch.

People screaming about how illegal immigrants want to "live off welfare" and simultaneously "take yer jobs!"

We need more jobs and higher wages

The hell is Ireland during this time

4. When your mammy is holding a wooden spoon

Ominethious Calistian I learned that song for my JC Music course

@@rigvee5768 Have a few listens to The High Kings, and Dropkick Murphy's covers of "Fields of Anthenry". They make quite a more impactful wake than my simple text :v

Sometimes it's because of mental disorders. That's not a moral failing but it's true that mental disorders are one of the things.

@@danielpincu6030 And sometimes it truly is a result of moral failing but the overall picture is multifaceted complicated no doubt.

Yeah, It's discouraging how many of the arguments used by the British I've heard people use about poverty in the US. Usually they follow up with "and that's why welfare should be cut/ended/made more difficult to receive!"

It's the counterpart to people who think all wealth is ill-acquired, in a nutshell. Whereas poverty really is just the normal, natural state of man... which is why we should be thankful of the economic structure slowly built-up generation after generation on our ancestors' savings and innovations, that lets us have demultiplied standards of living.

​@@KerbalFacile No, poverty is very much invented. In a state of nature, men were nomads and would never stay in a place with no food. There were no national boundaries, so if you could walk or canoe somewhere else you would and nobody could argue. You didn't have to worry about finding a job where you went or speaking a language, just tracking the game and foraging for sustenance. No mass starvation, disease, migrant crises.

Or the Yayoi Period as well. In the west we don't reflect on BC history much further east than Persia and even then China is given a glossing.

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This is just a myth, much like the famous one about the Sultan not being allowed to donate £10.000. Foreign aid ships were allowed in, but the holdup was that the grain could not be distributed until properly screened for grain blight. Had Ireland been hit by a grain blight on top of the potato blight the entire island would have died.

A well known myth btw.

Conor Donohoe LOWWWWWW LIEEEEEEEE THE FIELDS

Damn, that's deep

Now a prison ship lays waiting in the bay

TheFireaster of Athenry, where once we watch the small free birds fly

Low Lie The Fields Of Athenry

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I understand that Britain was still a bit sore about the American revolution but there is no shame in asking for help when there is famine.

Yeah the famine,1916 and the rebellion seem to still left their scars on the country to this day around leinster aswell.

what do you mean?

@@apathosanhr435 the heritage center in the town is mostly about the famine and a little about the nearby lake. And most plaques you see around town are of the famine

That depressing

@@TheStarswearee one of things I remember most is the amount of space everyone got in the workhouses, it was 1 metre squared to sleep

Against the famine and the crown I rebelled. They ran me down. Now you must raise our child with dignity.

By a lonely harbour wall, she watched the last star falling as the prison ship sailed on against the sky...

Deanna Jackson Africa and Ireland, brothers in their shite treatment from England

@@ciarangrimes7912 Very true.

@joseaca Add the Scotland, Wales, and the English working class of the time into that mix and you've got the ultimate combo

@joseaca I'm childfree by choice, so they're going to have to deal with death glares from my cat. 😂

@@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables Welsh cat, problem solved

Just eat food

its Zimbabwe get it right you melvin

*T H E I R I S H Q U E S T I O N*

Quiet.

the dallas problem was one you were familliar with

The Ultimate Solution

I ddint know the f in JFK was from norman origin

Sanguinius on vacation there’s one beside my house, at least 15 houses mostly reduced to rubble, really depressing place