Ironically, the best MMO I've played in years.. isn't even your traditional MMO. Rather, it's an open-world multiplayer RPG with *many MMO aspects* - one that I genuinely hope MMO studios look at as inspiration when moving into the future. This is the kind of MMO we need, one that takes risks and provides us with something truly fun to enjoy.
its a singleplayer game that also has coop functionally it is not a multiplayer rpg and certainly not an mmo. you can also do none of the endgame in coop.
@@MrBentalton777 i dont think you got his point. He means that the mmo rpg fantasy is displayed in WuWa in many ways not that its a game with many players in a world. If i could be the mc in a mmo game world i would wish to have it look like this
@@IamHolou it's either an mmo or its not and it does not even have any mmo aspects. It has coop that's it. No raids no multiplayer endgame no guilds etc
The fact that your best MMO experience in recent years isn't an MMO just shows so much about the state of the anime MMO genre. Patiently waiting for the day where we can all hop into a game like SAO, NewWorld Online, or Shangri La Frontier
The state of ANIME mmos has always been the same: lackluster. Its only in the last few years that any anime inspired mmos have been successful or regarded as good.
Well those were in anime form to us, to them it was basically indistinguishable from real life so if we get what they got we should be getting real life looking online worlds to jack into 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
As a Warframe player, my interest spiked when I heard 'parkour'. I'm so spoiled by that game's mobility system that I can't go back to a 'flat world' where the environment is just a giant prop to walk past on the way to the next quest. I was looking to play Genshin to study its art style for school. How does Wuthering Waves compare visually?
i agree and have found myself down a similar path through gaming, granted i seem to be a bit ahead of you. what these games mostly lack though is the ability to do EVERYTHING with a friend. it was the most disappointing thing about genshin as well, and as soon as we get a game like this where me and my friend can just pick it up and do anything together until we log off, day after day, whether thats story or not... that is the next evolution.
Wow, this video perfectly captures the sentiment many of us MMO veterans have been feeling lately. It's refreshing to hear someone articulate the struggle of finding that spark again in a genre we love.
Gatcha games are like a guilty pleasure lol. They are INCREDIBLY fun but we all know we are incredibly tempted to swipe to unlock more characters. Especially if they are well done and the gameplay is fun.
The problem is gache makes profit if you keep players with a good game you make money but if you want more money than the gameplay justifies you have to go the opposite direction. Sadly making things inconvenient is more profitable, people will spend money to get back to the good part of the game. I love gacha because the characters are almost always awesome, because people will want them awesome. And not only the characters are good in gacha because of that. All in all i think its a double eged sword, we just have to pray that there are companies not focused on minmaxing profit but on making profit by delivering
This is what gacha should aspire to be. Entice players to pull for a character because they love said character while still allowing players to progress without said character, and NOT because players NEED that character to even make meaningful progress in the game.
So? What's your point? You have to pay to play FF XIV, to play new world, jeez even on black desert there's a lot of skins, etc that are really expensive and like at almost every other game it's your choice to pay. With kuro I play PGR and I have the meta charas that I want with all their stuffs (weapons, ect) so I can trust on them for a balance game, honestly
while i'm still fully devoted to ffxiv, wuwa had me so excited and sad that i didn't get into the beta. Seriously can't wait for this game, hopefully it's as we think a summer-fall release!
I've been playing various MMO in mobile in the past, not until I played Chimeraland (in-game purchases aside the game is lit and the best for me) and now the game is discontinued for global server, now for me the current MMO that i know or heard of are not entertaining or fun anymore 😔
Another game with similarly complex combat is Dragon Nest(although if you gonna play it, play on private servers with no p2w shop, official Korean version is filled with p2w). The movement itself is a bit slow still, but the combat itself is so god damn FUN. Y'all missing out if you never tried Dragon Nest cuz it was one of the only two mmos that held my interest for so long in a genre I don't like(the other one is DDTank which isn't exactly MMO, more of a mmo lite worms game, but that one was peak too with sadly p2w moments)
i hate to even have to say this but i truly feel its true. the next big mmo isnt going to come from an already established AAA studio. its going to come from a small team of indie developers working together to coalesce a dream into reality. Sadly im too old to learn all the ins and outs of game development i fear, but i want to make my own game that brings the feeling of first playing guild wars or world of warcraft, elden ring, and even the dreamcast version of phantasy star online. So far ive worked with another to develop a world with races and classes, backstory, and some sketches for concept art. neither of us know how to put this into the digital world and bring it to life. we need collaborators that know how to bring these visions to life.
idk about secret worlds main story, but its lore and world building and additional side story quests that flesh out the world? those are all top tier. especially for those that like horror and mystery. also canonically Illuminati takes drugs to see into the past and Dragon.... Dragon breaks ToS to do so. I mean talk about an intro to a game. You show up and some lady goes down on you and then suddenly you're fighting demons. also in terms of story ToF has a decent concept for its story with the whole time warp bubble thing. its execution though is a bit.... lacking. which i think mainly has to do with they way it handle trying to stretch content.
Having a MMO that's basically Genshin Impact/WW but with more people would be perfect to me. PSO2 NGS is probably about the closest thing to that at present but the world design is rather bland in terms of what there is to find/discover aside from enemies to farm and the endgame is still largely just sitting around waiting for events to pop like in the original.
@@IAMDEMIURGE Yes, Gacha games are horrible, predatory scam bullshit made to appeal to the people who lack common sense and impulse control. For years people have complained about DLC and microtransactions in videogames, and now smoothbrains and zoomers are are absolutely eating it up because it's "free". Gacha games can have good gameplay, but once upon a time these games would have been a $60 purchase and not a vampiric money-sucking always-online gambling simulator. I can tell you are young, and it's likely you are going to grow out of being taken advantage of at some point in the future.
@@Hikouma bro not all gacha games or like that most of them are f2p friendly you don't even need to spend money get your fav character the gacha games your describing were of the past era which i agree but now no that era was long gone
Yet Warframe remains one of the only games worth to play to this day 🫶 Wish I could go back in time and start from scratch again 🥲 By the way, Loftia is under development and will be released next year 🤌 I'm really looking forward to that~
gachas and lootboxes must die for us to get back to getting good games instead of credit card predatory infested progression systems, how is it so many gamers and youtubers are blind to this absolute depravity and bastardization of in game progression systems tailored to extract as much money from you as they possibly can. calling games a casino on steroids is mild compared to what is being done.
looks good but for me the best action online game i have ever played is warframe but if you get older and have arthritis then it is your worst enemy but if not then you will have a blast play warframe for more than 30 mins and tell me you didn't have fun thx for the vid i'll try this one out and remember if it's not fun for you then there's no point in playing
I honestly just kind of find it boring atm, As i told someone else. it felt to much like genshin in my opinion. I would prefer to play this when it fully releases. I really dont like Regrinding a game after I did so much in a beta. so I hope it manages to keep my full attention in the near future. Until then, ill be sticking to BDO and FF14.
Correct, and that's the point of this video.I repeatedly point out that this ISN'T an MMO. "there's one game that has given me exactly what I wanted out of an MMO. And the worst part is - it's not even an MMO." And that MMOs should learn from this. "Ironically, the best MMO I've played in years.. isn't even an MMO." The sad part is the most fun MMO I've played is just a game that has MMO aspects, not even a real MMO.
@@MMOByte yeah i know how you feel man, i really like games like wuthering waves, genshin, and any other game that are similar to them, but i feel like these kind of game should be an mmo, considering it got massive open world to explore, and story to unfold on each and every corner you see. While also it got the most fun game mechanic we've ever seen. But this kind of game is usually have a huge let down that made me dilike the game to the point i don't want to play that game anymore. For an example i was very hype when genshin was announce and i saw there are other player on that player, so i though this was gonna be an MMO, but as we all know this game turns out to be a single player game with coop feature in it. Then there is tower of fantasy, when it first came out, i remember i was playing that game alot because how much fun it is to play a game like genshin but it's MMO game with cool combat system and very fluid movement. But for now i don't play that game anymore because the limited gacha time system is too short, the story of that game is not that interesting for me, and the game became too repititive in my opinion. I think they should add like an event that can affect the game world like runescape, that would be cool. And then wuthering waves came, i though this was gonna be an MMO, but turns out this game is a single player game, what a dissapointment in my opinion.
I'm glad that they changed some things in the game like the game was feeling very depressive and dead, a lot of grey, even characters Games like this have to be vibrant, even if you wanna portray some post-apocal world
Yes and no, No because 2 different genres both have extremely good combat for the genre it is Yes, because boss battles are incredible and pretty hardcore at times. Ofc an mmo boss battle will not be similar to this genre
If it's gacha, it's not really a mmo, or anything else other than well crafted bait for a slot machine... come on man... "Ohh, it's just a salad, what? There's meth in the dressing? i don't want addictive destructive drugs, i just want a salad" " ignore that, just eat the salad stupid"
The title of this video is dumb. The "many MMO aspects" you're referring to aren't what make a game an MMO. The only thing that makes a game an MMO is being able to play with a large number of players simultaneously in the same world. You just played a Genshin clone. This video reeks of undisclosed paid advertisement. I don't think it's true, but it gives off those vibes.
Oh I am super pumped. I have been playing Aether Gazer and Punishing Gray Raven since those games started and am looking forward to more Kuro action. They have the best combat currently imho. Open world PGR, yes please.
Most sounds good, but no character creation kills it for me. I'm weird that way. Even though I never play "myself", I just can't enjoy playing premade characters. From what I understand, this game basically has character locked classes. Even worse than gender locked classes that's so common in especially Korean games and that we all like to complain about.
For as much of a mess as it is in other respects, Tower of Fantasy having actual semi-indepth character customization for your avatar/MC is pretty stand-out as far as the genre goes.
One thing that make me stick with Tower of Fantasy while back, was the character customization, and the Gatcha Element is when you USE the weapon of the hero and not necersarily have to use the hero that you gatcha, just need to use their weapon. But in other gatcha game, you need to use em as character, not just their weapon
Can I play as 1 chr? 1 thing I hate about gocha games is that i cant play just one chr and that takes away from the emersion I much prefer to impersonate 1 person than play 4 every time. It was nice that BG3 was vastly playable as only one person in the party unlike games like genshin where it was either impossible cuz of time constraints or just really annoying and take too long to do anything to progress.
Yes if you want you can paly as 1 character there's no elemental reaction in this game. Also for safety you can bring a healer but, who cares for healer when u plan on not getting hit the first place🤣
OMG you talk SO MUCH and so much empty information and useless adjectives, that I cannot figure out WHAT GAME is this all about? All I need is a title, not that bla-bla-bla around it...
Its hard to say what rewards there will actually be on launch because the CBT2 events are clearly only meant for CBT2. But I think its ever so slightly on the lower side of currency available from the open world and quests. The real thing though is that at least on global we can't tell how P2W this is. Crit is a really hard stat to come by except by the 5 star weapons, but I haven't seen much discussion on how much that boosts your DPS or if that even matters because if you take on hard combat your DPS doesn't mean shit if you don't adapt to the boss patterns properly.
@@porkncheese1789 You arent wrong, perhaps I should have worded it differently. But there are people who think stuff like genshin/hsr are pay to winwhen I think its pay to lose since you take away the fun lol.
@@PyrusnVentusbut if it's like there other game pgr even if you spend all that money for weapon and constellation your ass still gonna get kick if you get hit 1 or 2 time lmao. ( Also spending money for constellation do bost there dmg but unlike genshin you can't one shot them at all the only benefits will be you take like 2 - 3 minutes less to beat them if you don't get hit ofcourse 🗿)
Dozens of good mmos are disappearing because RU-vid and Twitch streamers advertise the mmos they get paid for. Even if the games are bad, they try to make them look good. I mean, who would praise a boring and shitty game like Guild Wars 2? This is called manipulation.
the only reason I quit Genshin was because when sprinting it would eat ur stamina, and the regen was kinda slow, im glad this game didnt do the same thing, thats probably also why I preferred Tower of Fantasy over Genshin, I didnt care about the characters much, but at least I had mounts or no stamina use on sprinting (I saw Genshin made a character that made open world more enjoyable, so once I get her, it might be fun again)
I've literally been waiting for WW since a video preview of it years ago and I want to play it so bad. (Saying that, it's so funny to see genshin players losing their minds for this game lmao)
@@MMOByte That's the best part it's a beta so the final product should be something to enjoy for real. And to be honest, I play Punishing Gray Raven, so I trust Kuro games on what they are doing 120% let them cook!
Old games such as Honkai 3rd impact has this combat type.. and its super fluid, even Moreso now in the new "2nd" release. You got paid to say all this is what it sounds like... sadly nobody can trust these videos as its all opinions and then guys that get paid to say this stuff. There is nothing new or special about WUWA, its just a slightly modified version of Genshin Impact, I am also excited for release, but this video is a buncha BS pretending its some totally new, awesome combat and game type lol
most likely nah. since everyone will have different progression progress in their own account. and some quests may unlock areas you otherwise wouldnt have unlocked in your own world yet under normal circumstances.
WuWaves looks ... ok i guess but i dont really see it fleshing out its own identity, everything just looks like "genshin but better" and that seems to be everyone's attitude towards this game either The garbage rng is still there the same degrees of replayability is still there the combat isn't really all that impressive to me, its just... genshin but better ppl will get bored in 3 months, complain theres nothing to do, and they're being "forced" to play the game. just like in genshin If the devs are mindful of this, then maybe they'll pull this off! and i wish them luck! I hope the community can at least be more patient with WuWaves than with genshin, because this community is ruthless when it comes to free shit and milestones
rng is there sure but the difference is you can farm as much as you want for the stats you want you are not limited by stamina/resin systems. also idk whats not impressive to you about combat when it has far better combat than most every game in existence. not even AAA games compare with rare exceptions like dmc and nier and soulslike games. also ww has endgame and infinite farming something genshin has neither of. the ONLY reason people say its just genshin but better is they are both open world anime action rpgs with gacha but outside of that genshin is nothing at all like ww
@@MrBentalton777 Parry and just frame mechanics are as old as the "action combat" genre itself, so acting like its the next best thing is... strange, to say the least. but ok buddy also, infinite farming? provided your mobs respawn how long exactly? and have you actually looked at open world? There are massive stretches of literally nothing as far as the eye can see, the spots in between one pack of mobs and the next gives you the illusion of "infinite" farming, but the mob count is exceptionally low for an "open world" experience. so I really dont value it that greatly. Also, what is WW end game besides boss rush and a roguelike? That's not much, if you think it is, then... daaaaamn
to be fair to the people demanding free stuff, hoyo has definitely been much more stringent with their free rewards than many other gacha games. of course they have their reasons, their games are pretty easy to enjoy without having to pull a lot, but even within the company they're not very consistent (e.g. hi3 giving free s-rank selectors every now and again, hsr getting 20 free pulls and a free 5* all within the span of like 2 months, while genshin gets 3 pulls for CNY). hopefully if kurogames follows the reward formula of their other game, punishing gray raven, people will be satisfied. i've heard pgr is one of the most f2p-friendly gachas out rn.
@@stellasilverr its an opportunity for kurogames for sure, but only time will tell HSR is proof that hoyo can be generous if they really want to be, and if pgr is f2p friendly then all good for them. I'm sure the community will be happy to see this as the game launches and the efforts they bring!
@@user-gi6hd5ol6f I never said parrries are unique to ww now did I. Also yes infinite farming when you can just go around collecting echoes and when your world's echoes are gone for the day you can go into other random worlds and get echoes there too. Hologram, rougelike, abyss and they will add many more
I play genshin and i havent spent a dime on it. ive gotten lucky with what the game offers for free.dont get me wrong i have wanted to spend on it but ive resisted so far.
Wuwa tbh is more as Open world Gacha RPG that follows the exact same layout as Genshin. MMO's aren't the same as these Open World RPG, these Open World RPG is not shoving multiplayer at your face unlike MMO's (especially mobile) since in WuWa, you can select being a single or hoing a co-op game. Also for me, MMO's are more boring than traditional Open World RPG's.
Tower of Fantasy is an actual MMO with awesome movement/ and combat if you guys are looking for something to play. It is a bit janky on the cutscenes but the open world and missions, mini games and activities are really diverse and immersive. I’ve got some short videos showing it off. I don’t even care about views I just want more ppl to know how good ToF is! 😂
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