Is “Dune” A Perfect Movie? Neil deGrasse Tyson And Stephen Colbert Agree To Disagree

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America’s favorite astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson tests the limits of his friendship with “Dune” superfan Stephen Colbert by pointing out potential scientific plot holes. Stick around for more with Neil and check out his book, “Starry Messenger,” available now in paperback.
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@BAHO2d 6 месяцев назад

One of my most favorite things in this world is watching two well known and highly respected nerds arguing about sci-fi. Please, do this more, it's awesome!

@Eric_In_SF 6 месяцев назад

Problem is it’s a fucking pre-rehearsed skit. They weren’t discussing anything they were doing a routine. Colbert had the props ready for Neil, his writers had his jokes written for him. The show sucks.

@BAHO2d 6 месяцев назад

@@Eric_In_SFDon't watch in then, bro

@titusmccarthy 6 месяцев назад

@@Eric_In_SFGo watch Fallon then

@naninolovyou6388 6 месяцев назад

He spoke at his and my Alma Matar- Hook’em Horns pumping out the brainiacs! 🤘

@mammawlee 6 месяцев назад

I agree.

@aninewforest 6 месяцев назад

On a practical note, I really appreciate the tip about the sound-insulating qualities of sand. Turning my bedroom into a beach could be the solution to blocking out my downstairs neighbors...

@Dudemon-1 6 месяцев назад

Yes, that would work if the floor could hold the weight. But you could feel the vibrations in the sand itself, like tge shai-halud can.

@dakai4992 6 месяцев назад

Also you'd ran the danger of fast pooping sand snakes popping up out of nowhere.

@Echo81Rumple83 6 месяцев назад

if only MythBusters were still making episodes; this be an interesting theory to tackle (especially since nothing would make me more happier than knowing the perfect way of dampening outside noise so i can figure out if i AM hearing sounds in my head or not).

@imdiyu 6 месяцев назад

I wanna make acoustic panels filled with sand.

@aninewforest 6 месяцев назад

@@imdiyu Good idea. I wonder if stylish sandbags are a thing...

@deemon710 6 месяцев назад

Neil's face at the plausible explanation of the ornithopter's propulsion. 🤣😂🤣

@elijahczysz3057 6 месяцев назад

If I remember correctly, antigravity propulsion (suspensors) in Dune uses the Holtzman Effect. The effect is most likely the reason why shields, which also use the Holtzman effect, drive sand worms into a killing frenzy. Therefore, to use a ship powered by the Holtzman effect in the desert would “be a death sentence.” That’s why you see suspensor craft used on Caladan and behind the shield wall in Arakeen, but not for sustained travel in the desert. The exception there are the carryall and spotter aircraft, but since the spice harvesters are attracting worms anyways, that isn’t really a concern.

@MaticTheProto 6 месяцев назад

I mean… the wings would never survive

@Kenny49ERS 6 месяцев назад

Always timestamp

@fuffy442 6 месяцев назад

That's good.@@elijahczysz3057

@kelvinilla 6 месяцев назад

4:23 this explanation doesn't make sense because we know anti-gravity works in an even smaller scale since they have anti-gravity suits too

@multiversos1 6 месяцев назад

Nice to hear that shout out to Michael Moorcock. 84 years old and still writing with great creativity. It would be great to see a movie on Elric and his sword, Stormbringer, the stealer of souls. 😎

@douglasdarling7606 4 месяца назад

My People 😁

@dimitrisgiannoulis3172 28 дней назад

I second that

@Ri-ver 6 месяцев назад

I audibly laughed when Neil mentioned how low his bar is for deciding to appear on something

@HopDavid 6 месяцев назад

Wasn't he the science advisor for Sharknado?

@NUBCAKE101 6 месяцев назад

I laughed inaudibly like a mime

@Ri-ver 6 месяцев назад

@@NUBCAKE101 lnol 😂 (Laugh not out loud)

@stevelibby6852 6 месяцев назад

I saw NGT on The Adam Friedland Show, so i can attest to this.

@NobleSainted 6 месяцев назад

🤣So true. And you know he had to preface it like that to be taken seriously too.😂 He's no dummy.

@machinesinger 6 месяцев назад

Hugh Everett (*Physicist) in 1957 presented the theory of "The Multiverse". Not far ahead, but definitely before 1960.

@djazzify 6 месяцев назад

William James, philosopher did it in 1895

@HLBear 6 месяцев назад

And the idea of alternate reality has been around as long as humans have been trying to make sense of reality.

@d1dac0 6 месяцев назад

The idea of infinite worlds was first suggested by the pre-Socratic Greek philosopher Anaximander in the sixth century BCE

@kingace6186 6 месяцев назад

That's when the theory was properly established. But the notion of a multiverse has been present amongst astronomers and philosophers. And in 1952, in Dublin, Erwin Schrödinger gave a lecture explores the plausibility of the multiverse using quantum physics.

@joshnizzle 6 месяцев назад

Yea might wanna google that.

@laalaa99stl 6 месяцев назад

Hate to break it to ya, Stephen, but NDT is right (by a huge margin). According to Wikipedia: "The concept [of multiverse] first appeared in the modern scientific context in the course of the debate between Boltzmann and Zermelo in 1895."

@johnathanmartin1504 6 месяцев назад

Oh, you beat me to it. lol

@jonasfermefors 6 месяцев назад

NDT is definitely right.. but it is possible that Moorcock was the first person to use the word "multiverse" in this context. Even now the word isn't defined - Max Tegmark and Brian Greene have proposed 4 different classes of multiverses - none of which are like the MCU's idea.

@andershansen4884 6 месяцев назад

@@jonasfermefors I'm pretty sure that the correct classification of the multiverse would have to include Loke holding the timelines in his fists. Everyone knows that ;)

@Wustenfuchs109 6 месяцев назад

@@jonasfermefors Yeah, tends to happen a lot. People discussing a concept and then years later someone giving it a recognizable name.

@JBBost 6 месяцев назад

I was thinking 1910-5, crazy it was even earlier!

@shadowprince4482 6 месяцев назад

Fun fact not all snakes slither. The Gaboon viper is a great example of many. Seriously look it up. It's super weird to see and the snake has the longest fangs of any snake and is super deadly. Seriously, it's so weird but kind of scary too.

@kindabluejazz 6 месяцев назад

It's still a kind of undulating motion, pushing against its scales. That's pretty much what Stephen suggested.

@temporaladvisor3958 6 месяцев назад

Glad you pointed this out about the Gaboon viper. This gorgeous, uniquely marked viper uses rectilinear motion like a caterpillar. Watching it's calm movements belies it's venomous ability. Fortunately, it's not a very aggressive snake, but it's bite is fatal to humans.

@shadowprince4482 6 месяцев назад

@@temporaladvisor3958 Yeah the most dangerous part of the snake is it being so timid until the split second it isn't. It's probably the most bipolar of all snakes. I'm fine you're cool, now you're envenomated and about to die, then right back to everything is fine. They are nuts. At least with a mamba you know for sure how it's going to act.

@TheKrispyfort 6 месяцев назад

Australia has a desert dwelling snake that kinda dances side-ways over the surface of the sands. A side-winder (?)

@shadowprince4482 6 месяцев назад

@@TheKrispyfort America has that too but not all species of snakes worldwide slither. Some prefer locomotion in a straight line using their stomach muscles.

@littletom1978 6 месяцев назад

“Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.” ― Mark Twain I believe that is on a plaque in Congress if not mistaken, and all politicians are to bow beneath it before entering.

@garryferrington811 6 месяцев назад

No, you're wrong. We have Boobert and MTG.

@gonun13 6 месяцев назад

Nah, they make up facts and distort them

@teresas8173 6 месяцев назад

The GOP mantra

@Ominousheat 6 месяцев назад

I guess that was the main attraction of the tourist trip on Jan 6. lol.

@mammawlee 6 месяцев назад

If our 'leaders' paid MORE attention to Twain we all would be better off.

@televizor 6 месяцев назад

Funny thing about Neil saying you can't feel vibrations through sand and somebody (Frank Herbert) not doing the research on this: Just watched Planet Earth II episode 4 - Deserts and in it there's the golden mole which swims through the sand AND is completely blind as relies on its perfect hearing to hear vibrations in the sand that termites or locusts make to come up from underneath the sand and eat them. Looks like Neil is the one not doing his research

@Taricus 6 месяцев назад

The sandworms aren't chasing the sound, they are go after the vibrations. The thumpers are rhythmic, because it essentially mimics someone walking, but as if someone were stomping their feet instead. --and sand does make noise if the sand particles are very different sizes. That's how there are singing sand dunes. The frequency of the sound is found by f=sqrt[(g*sin(angle of the slope))/d], where g is the gravitational constant and d is the diameter of the particles.

@uddaloknag1751 5 месяцев назад

Oh. That's interesting! But what slope am I measuring the angle of?

@AWSVids 5 месяцев назад

Sound and vibration are the same thing.

@Taricus 5 месяцев назад

@@uddaloknag1751 The slope of the dune

@Taricus 5 месяцев назад

@@AWSVids Sound is a wave that moves through a medium.

@AWSVids 5 месяцев назад

@@Taricus Which is exactly what vibration is. Are you unaware of the fact that sound is vibration? Why are you even arguing against this? Try looking at the defintion of sound: "In physics, *sound is a vibration* that propagates as an acoustic wave through a transmission medium such as a gas, liquid or solid."

@SevenStarsAndHalf 6 месяцев назад

Kudos to Frank Herbert who knew about the sand-sound-muffling thing, hence making him create the concept of "drum-sands".

@petemoss4134 6 месяцев назад

Mr. Tyson: I routinely gather large nightcrawlers for fishing, on rainy nights, and I can verify that they do absolutely stretch out straight, and crawl without bending, as snakes, for instance, do. Their straight line presentation helps them stand out in the beam of my flashlight. Often, when I find a particularly large worm, I say, "Shai Hulud!" as I scoop it into my worm container. Thanks for all you do.

@segueoyuri 6 месяцев назад

here's just a couple details missing here: 1 - sandworms are blind and orient themselves by their feeling of vibration. It doesn't matter if sands make sound. It still vibrates. 2 - there's different kinds of arenous terrain in Arrakis. You know in Dune 1 when at some point Paul and Lady Jessica run across the desert and it's night and a worm is closing by? That's "drum sand", it makes a drum sound if you don't do the Fremen walk. Not to mention this was all inside Herbert's head and doesn't need to make sense from a scientific point of view anyway lol it's not a science textbook it's a novel.

@MagnumNavilllus 6 месяцев назад

the reason they use the grapple hooks, is to raise the scales to irritate the worm thus keeping them above the sand and in a straight line or turning by pulling hared on one side or the other.

@mfv2024 6 месяцев назад

Exactly.

@Dudemon-1 6 месяцев назад

Worms and snakes can both use rectilinear motion. NDT is wrong. While sounds in air don't travel well in sand, vibrations (such as thumping on sand) can travel through sand. NDT is wrong. NDT is wrong a lot, though.

@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine 6 месяцев назад

@@Dudemon-1 Sounds in AIR do not travel through sand at all. They travel through air. That's why the sounds is IN THE AIR.

@Artjedi44 6 месяцев назад

@@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine What about vibrations? You might feel it, but not hear it...🤓

@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine 6 месяцев назад

@@Artjedi44 Sound is vibrations. Did you have a point?

@destinationsunnyside250 6 месяцев назад

This made my unwavering reverence towards NDT waver. During the 70s Frank Herbert attracted a following like George R. R. Martin does today. I saw him speak twice at my university and there wasn’t an auditorium large enough to contain the demand. Much of his popularity among nerds was the scientific accuracy in his details and this was due to Herbert seeking out the leading scientist in the fields he was writing about (biology, ecology, political science…) and offering to ghost write their research papers. So unless NDT has been doing cutting edge research into the propulsion of the Saharan earth worm, I’m siding with Frank Herbert.

@aewtx 25 дней назад

That doesn't prove he knows what he's (Frank Herbert) talking about. He was the one offering to write their papers, not the other way around. I could also seek out those experts and offer to write their research papers. But I definitely don't have the expertise they would have.

@rachelh-j5006 6 месяцев назад

What's so funny is when I read Dune in my 20s, and would imagine the worms, which are supposed to be all scary as hell apparently, all I could see in my head were the worms from the animated portion of the 1988 Classic Beetlejuice.

@nikobatallones 6 месяцев назад

Me... I think of the ALASKAN BULL WORM! from SpongeBob.

@stanbyme7874 6 месяцев назад

Me too but I was a mother of 6 hiding in my bathroom reading book & smoking a blunt☮️ don’t judge. Six kids. They’re all adults & still don’t know ✌️

@solvseus 6 месяцев назад

So... terrifying then?

@Christopher-md7tf 6 месяцев назад

Those things were scary AF, tho, especially watching it as a kid

@fintan9218 6 месяцев назад

Yea, those were likely inspired by the sand worms from Dune. The movie Tremors also had creatures that were likely inspired by the sand worms from Dune.

@keenanmccracken6758 6 месяцев назад

I only read the novels once, but don't worms have a corkscrew like system inside their bodies that produces tremendous heat propelling them through the sand similar to a torpedo? It's expelled out the back of the worm creating spice. Also, arrakis is filled with caverns and the thumpers force energy into the top of the caverns making a drum like sound. It's so prevalent and shallow at some points they have "drum sand" that can make noise even through human footsteps.

@anlemeinthegame1637 6 месяцев назад

Hello, I haven't read the novels recently, but I don't recall a detailed explanation of their movement. :)

@nathanmckenzie904 6 месяцев назад

I read them about 10yrs ago and I don't remember that

@blahaj784 6 месяцев назад

I haven't the read the books at all, but you convinced me xD

@DeanCannard 6 месяцев назад

yes!, these are points explained by Frank Herbert in the books. I think it could also be pointed out that these stories were written in the 19twenties.

@codename495 6 месяцев назад

I’ve read all the books multiple times, I don’t remember anything resembling what you’re remembering

@jacobsweat1028 6 месяцев назад

I’m with Stephen. Neil is so wrong in every way.

@JoeSilverhand 6 месяцев назад

I mean, the Shai-Hulud don't hunt via sound. They hunt by detecting vibration from miles away. The rhythmic nature of a vibration could be different then windblown sand or falling rocks indicating an intelligence of some level, and therefore food.

@N1inSK 6 месяцев назад

I'm sorry to contradict an astrophysicist, but there is sand that transmits sound. Sand of the right material and of a uniform size can squeak (at beaches in Australia especially) or hum (in 40 locations around the world).

@wizardsuth 6 месяцев назад

It's interesting that Neil's objections to Dune are related physical systems such as sandworms and ornithopters, without addressing problems related to the spice, e.g. how it allows some people to see the future (or at least possible futures).

@thatjeff7550 6 месяцев назад

That's a biochemistry question, not a physics question! :D

@NorthThird 6 месяцев назад

It's called suspension of disbelief. A skill that NDT and many young men on the Internet lack.

@firmanimad 6 месяцев назад

Spice is downright magic. The worm and the ornithopters are something trying to blend in into our understanding of physics, hence it can be criticized for fun.

@JoeSilverhand 6 месяцев назад

@@thatjeff7550So is sandworm anatomy but that didn't stop him.

@paavobergmann4920 6 месяцев назад

both did not adress the most glaring problem with the Thopters: Their wings would fly off. Like, instantly. The combination of required wing load and beating frequency would likely shatter any material in seconds. They looked absolutely awesome, though. And plausible, although they are really not ;-)

@juliettebobcat704 6 месяцев назад

Stephen did a shout out to Michael Moorcock, father of steampunk?! Another reason to adore him. Love Neil too!

@rhov-anion 6 месяцев назад

That made me so happy, although he only coined the word half a century after the theory came about.

@robesdebah4811 6 месяцев назад

Fun facts: the many worlds hypothesis was first suggested in 1957 by Hugh Everett III, whose son is the musician behind the Eels. The scientific community was unreceptive, so he left to work for military contractors. So NGT is technically correct there as far as a scientist first suggesting a multiverse as a way to explain quantum physics. However, Jorge Luis Borges published Garden of Forking Paths in 1941. This and other works of his definitely describe the idea.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 6 месяцев назад

@@robesdebah4811There is in fact some evidence to suggest that a 6th centry BCE Greek philospher called Aximander considered such a possibility; but what remains of his writings make it unclear as to whether or not he believed that many worlds did exist, and if so, whether or not they ran parallel to each other or in succession. More recently, an 1895 debate between Boltzmann and Zermelo certainly concerned the concept, but did not name it.

@TheSuspira 6 месяцев назад

Moorcock who wrote Elric which was the original white wolf, which the Witcher was ripped off as by Sapkowski after proofreading books in Poland.

@johnobrien2643 6 месяцев назад

@@TheSuspira I have gotten into so many arguments with Witcher fans who refuse to acknowledge its obvious Elric "homage."

@ORLOSTguy 6 месяцев назад

Oh my gosh, I can finally call out Neil deGrasse Tyson!!! The thumper isn't hitting the sand. It is NOT using the sand to make the sound. The thumper is "knocking" within itself in its mechanism. And then that sound is attracting the worms.

@Jacqueline_Thijsen 6 месяцев назад

This conversation would be completely normal for any two SF geeks getting together and cheerfully geeking out over their favorite subjects. The astrology talk was also completely on point. Us nerds love these discussions more than most people love the Olympics. ETA: the main difference is that if the discussion is not in front of a camera, both will have their phones in hand to google all of that. And the person being proven wrong will be delighted at having learned something new.

@BAHO2d 6 месяцев назад

So true! Sooo true!

@incunt 6 месяцев назад

Pretty accurate as a whole, but your edited part is exactly how my friends' conversations go. I'm sure that it's not the way most conversations are, especially here on the internet, but I'm very happy to see people who still want to learn and not just "win" an argument

@tekno4blood 6 месяцев назад

As a nerd, yes.

@TheSmarq17 6 месяцев назад

Don't google, DuckDuckGo. Just sayin.

@joelwasinger 6 месяцев назад

Idunno, I get tired of the gatekeeping and the knowitall attitude. I’m a proud nerd, but our people could do better.

@vdiitd 6 месяцев назад

In a universe where something like the spice exists, interstellar travel exists, the Voice exists and people can see the future, NDT is dissing on how sandworms move 😂😂

@KerimBanka 6 месяцев назад

NDT teaching people to engage with art in all the wrong ways

@rainforest_tales 6 месяцев назад

NDT has clearly never been in sand dunes and heard them "sing" from the friction of moving particles in the wind or when you slide down a steep slope...we used to make the dunes resonate for fun as kids...And the compact sand, you can definitely thump it and the sound travels far...its spot on. Frank Herbert is definitely basing this on actual experiences in sanddunes...ecologically I have always found dune impressive. Neil should stick to the stars. His recent delvings into biology and ecology have been off target.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

FH got the idea for Dune from his research on the creeping sand dunes in Oregon (I think it was Oregon; might have been Washington), and how planting certain types of grasses might slow down the desertification in that area. So yeah, he definitely did his research. He went from intending to write an article to writing a massive SF masterwork.

@Flyboy245 6 месяцев назад

Stephen and Neil degrasse Tyson debating the physics of sandwurms is everything I didn’t know I needed. This is hilarious to me 😂

@h2oincfs 6 месяцев назад

neil, the sound engineers ACTUALLY WENT OUT IN THE DESERT AND THUMPED SAND.

@phantom213 4 месяца назад

You just can't take this man seriously

@TheAb9211 6 месяцев назад

Actually the book is more accurate than the movie. The book explains that for the thumper you need drumsand which is hardened sand that echoes the thumper’s vibrations. For the movements, the worm actually does move around like a snake, the hooks are to open up the ducts of the worm so that it is unable to go into the sand. Since it remains above the sand, the rider can be on top. In fact, in the book it is mentioned that if hooks are not placed correctly, the worm can roll over and kill the rider to save itself.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

Villeneuve likes to brag that he's so faithful to the book, but he doesn't understand squat about it. And NDT needs to read the damn book, rather than rely on a director who doesn't understand the source material.

@Newt0rz 5 месяцев назад

Is that why Paul knocks around on the sand before he places his thumper in the worm riding scene? I noticed they showed the ducts opening, as you mentioned, too.

@TheAb9211 5 месяцев назад

@@Newt0rz yes. He was looking for drumsand so that the thumper’s sound and vibrations and echo.. the worm ducts are essential for the worm. Water kills the worm and hence, if the freeman achieve their dream of a water flowing utopia, they will lose the precious worms. Its a dichotomy. the book shows a lot of time passes for Paul to learn the Freeman ways. The first book where the 2nd movie culminates is supposed to be years ahead of Paul’s father dying. Paul’s son was supposed to die in the battle while his sister was supposed to kill the Baron. It had a significance as the further story has a connection between Baron and Paul’s sister.

@beartrap3400 5 месяцев назад

You should say the book elaborates more than the movie because everything you explained about the book in your comment is in the movies. In the first film, towards the end when Paul and Jessica are crossing the desert, Paul steps on drumsand and acknowledges it. He goes "it's drumsand" before the worm starts to attack them. In the sequel film when Paul is struggling to gain his footing on the worm, he hooks his blades into the skin flap of the worm and pulls it up, exposing the ducts which causes the worm to stop rolling because before he did that, the worm was beginning to turn and Paul was starting to dangle off the side of it so yeah. Also before Paul's first ride, he looks for drumsand so he can place the thumper.

@matheusmterra 6 месяцев назад

Two notes on sandworns. First, Stephen is right, just as our little worms, the sandworms move by some kind of reverse peristalsis, moving the outer edge of their circular bodies in a motion to move. Second, the thumper isn't attracting sandworms with sound, it's the vibration on the sand, similar to how desert snakes and spiders find their prey.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

And third, worms aren't snakes. There's a diagram of the anatomy of a sandworm in the Dune Encyclopedia, and it somewhat resembles a gigantic earthworm with teeth and a very aggressive attitude.

@TheChuckiefree 6 месяцев назад

Come on NDT... sound is transferred because it is DRUM SAND

@TheKrispyfort 6 месяцев назад

Neil didn't do his "research".

@QuarterLifeCrises 6 месяцев назад

In the movies the worms come even when it isn't drum sand.

@kevinbecquet 6 месяцев назад

Take a drum, fill it with sand, try to play

@wanderlust9140 6 месяцев назад

Then what’s the point of sand walking EVERYWHERE?

@traceythompson1092 6 месяцев назад

Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm.

@GeoFlynx 6 месяцев назад

In my past 40 years as a geophysicist I can honestly state that seismic waves (sound) propagates through sand just fine.

@laalaa99stl 6 месяцев назад

Wow. You actually made NDT shut up after Stephen-splaining why 'thopters have wings. That's quite the achievement!

@ragingtomato04 6 месяцев назад

but mini suspensors that a size of a ball are a thing in dune. But I doubt you can substitute suspensors for ornithopter when flying on open desert. I mean suspensor is done by Holtzman effect, same technology that the shields use. And shield drives worms into frenzy.

@bobf5360 6 месяцев назад

NDT also needs to shut up on the worm locomotion problem. You're an awesome advocate for science NDT, but you don't know sh!t about biology. Annelids move by linear peristalsis (sequential contraction along their length), not by slithering (side to side pushing) like snakes do. Get YOUR facts straight, NDT.

@prismpyre7653 6 месяцев назад

he calls it a 'perfect movie' but if the Fremen were real he would cower in terror in a corner and refuse to tell any jokes about how they were being colonized and wiped out by the Harkonen, would say "gosh it's soooo complicated, and there's very fine people on both sides, anyway, *whoopie cushion*" pathetic

@arjunaditya5720 6 месяцев назад

Meanwhile, harkonen people flying to the to mountain peaks using anti gravity suits

@jamesdooling4139 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, but that shows me something positive about both men. One can make a case for something ludicrous and make it plausible even as an entertainer. The other, as a scientist, can actively change his mind, thoughts, or perspectives on an issue the moment he is presented with information or insights he had never considered before. This shows the intelligence of such men. Which, I suppose, is why they're both at the top of their game. ❤

@rhov-anion 6 месяцев назад

NDT needs to get a herpetologist onto his show. Snakes absolutely can move in a straight line. It's called "rectilinear locomotion." In particularly, VERY LARGE snakes can move this way. So if you want to compare a SANDWORM to a SNAKE, you gotta take into consideration the biggest snakes we have here on Earth. This could be a good Star Talk subject, since it wasn't until 2018 before scientists figured out precisely how snakes do it.

@williamhornabrook8081 6 месяцев назад

To be fair, he said "have you ever seen a snake chase you in a straight line?" Rectilinear motion is really slow. It's not a chase method, it's maybe a sneaking technique.

@kamilpravec5306 6 месяцев назад

also sand dunes can actually make low frequency rumbling sound... so... yeah i guess it is possible to attract worm by sounds of sand ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WWrb1iyCLlI.html&ab_channel=PBSTerra

@CallMeGailyn 6 месяцев назад

Dune and Dune Messiah were great sci-fi books back in the mid-70's, and they were both very well written and absorbing. I remember impatiently waiting for the third book, which I found terribly boring halfway through. In fact, that was the first time I did not compulsively finish a book that I had started! Can't weigh in on the movie, though, as I haven't seen it.

@jedwing 6 месяцев назад

Yes, thanks! Those books blew my mind in high school and college.

@paavobergmann4920 6 месяцев назад

Children of Dune is still kind of ok, but then it gets weird. God Emperor of Dune is a slow burn, but Heretics of Dune, that´s when I had to take a break.

@McHobotheBobo 6 месяцев назад

Honestly, you gave up on Children right before it really takes off, and God Emperor is an incredible philosophical piece if nothing else

@paavobergmann4920 6 месяцев назад

@@McHobotheBobo God Emperor is a slow examination of the nature of power and leadership

@stimswwolf7867 6 месяцев назад

@@McHobotheBobo what books do you think they should cover of next? Also I keep hearing that that the last few books of the franchise were either bad or not, film worthy. Do you know anything about that?

@robkoper841 6 месяцев назад

4:22 Also, because the "floaty effect" that makes other things fly is based on the 'Holtzman Effect' in the Dune universe, which is the same effect used to make Shields. And, as mentioned in the movie, using the Holtzman Effect in the open desert drives the Worms into a frenzy. Jeez, NDT, do some research... Also, what Stephen was talking about is called Rectilinear locomotion, and it's a real thing with some snakes!

@eysan90 6 месяцев назад

Hmm could that be why the harkannans in the beginning of part two refused to turn on their shields? I was wondering why.

@baldrick98007 6 месяцев назад

First time I have heard Michael Moorcock on US TV. I always wondered if the multi-verse was his invention, or if he was ahead of other sci-fi writers. P.S. His 'End of Time' series are still my favorite sci-fi novels.

@capnstewy55 6 месяцев назад

Neil obviously didn't read the book. Alot of his issues are answered there.

@leone9482 22 дня назад

He's discussing the movie not the book tho, so his analysis still accurate

@capnstewy55 22 дня назад

@leone9482 so your defense of him is he is criticizing a couple hour movie adaptation of a book that takes tens of hours to read for accuracy, i.e. being an obtuse ass.

@pineappledad 6 месяцев назад

NDT bringing up Ophiucus is dope man, I love it!

@thatjeff7550 6 месяцев назад

I like to think that the reason why we have 12 signs instead of 13 is due to something like what happened in the Chinese Zodiac--one of the other signs (i.e. mouse in CZ) played a prank/pissed off Ophiucus (cat) which led to Ophi being kicked out of the pantheon.

@shwajo 6 месяцев назад

The Ophiuchus debacle was funny to watch. A bunch of people who will defensively say horoscopes are "just for fun, jeez" had their panties all up in a twist at the mere suggestion they might have actually been [adjacent sign] instead of [sign]. Astrology people are crazy. You could even hear some gasps from the audience during that remark, horrified to think they might be LIBRAS. Like I'm sorry about that tattoo on your wrist, but I thought it was "just for fun, jeez".

@Xtine72 6 месяцев назад

I was Scorpio until 1 minute ago. My whole life is about to change.

@Roberta-q1q 6 месяцев назад

Cusp gives me the right to pick between 2 horoscopes. Still, tired of that "game" as a teen.

@samcyphers2902 6 месяцев назад

He's depicted as a dude holding a giant snake. Beat that, Aquarius.

@vampricramen 6 месяцев назад

Only NDT would have the balls to tell Frank Herbert to do his research.

@wouldntyaliktono 6 месяцев назад

NDT has made an entire career out of being the “ummmm Ackchually” guy.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

And trading on his association with Carl Sagan. Sagan at his worst is better than NDT at his best.

@TabethaAurochs 6 месяцев назад

I'm so loving how the comments section is out-nerding out NDT and Stephen 💜🪐☄️🕳️🔭🔥

@BlairCarlyle 6 месяцев назад

“There are big machines that fly, so why would the ornathopters need wings?” That’s like saying “we already have hot air balloons, why don’t they just put hot air in helicopters? Then you wouldn’t need propellers” lol

@VideoNozoki 6 месяцев назад

"America's favorite astrophysicist" is Carl Sagan.

@RohitSingh-bg7jn 6 месяцев назад

@VideoNozoki I thought that was Oppenheimer 🌝

@Echo_Isles 6 месяцев назад

Sorry to contradict Neil, but snakes are not limited to the serpentine locomotion he described. Of the (at least) five methods of locomotion available to snakes, the relevant one to this conversation is called rectilinear locomotion. It's a surprisingly smooth form of forward movement in a straight line, accomplished using specialized muscles to manipulate their belly scales in contact with the ground. Without this ability, they wouldn't be able to do typical snaky things like slithering into narrow burrows.

@katica04 6 месяцев назад

I love it when we get glimpses of how smart Colbert is

@demonchild8 6 месяцев назад

Love hearing the shoutout to Michael Moorcock's Multiverse!

@jo-jobighiker5552 6 месяцев назад

It's a Hollywood movie, not a documentary. It pains me to see experts say "That's wrong!" Let it go, let it go... Embrace the wonder.

@rickmalloy4808 6 месяцев назад

Multiverse from Hugh Everett's 1957 thesis done under John Wheeler

@johnny_eth 6 месяцев назад

To respond to Neil about the flying vehicles: 1. Levitating anti gravity vehicles and people move slowly and precariously because they are balancing on the gravitational field the same way a magnet floats on a magnetic field. They can only speed up fast way from physical objects like in space. 2. For fast powered flight then they need proper aerodynamic flying vehicles, with wings or propellers to produce lift, and control surfaces.

@teof99 5 месяцев назад

BUT IT'S DRUM SAND

@TheHincek 6 месяцев назад

Neil clearly didn't pay attention watching Dune (part 1) where Paul mentioned "drum sand" when he crossed worm territory with lady Jessica. Check your facts, not all sand is equal ;)

@amusicment4829 6 месяцев назад

Yay! Steely Dan’s “Peg” bringing him out! Love it and love NDT 😊👏🏼👍🏽♥️

@vladimiralvarenga9144 6 месяцев назад

I thought the worm could also pick up on the vibrations of the thumper. The shifts in sand can be picked up on through frequency... No?

@TheTuubster 6 месяцев назад

4:55 "First get your facts straight, then distort them at your leisure." Fun fact: That is actually one of the core rule for Star Trek scripts laid out by Roddenberry in the TOS and TNG writers bibles: "Star Trek is not fantasy: We extrapolate our science fiction from real world scientific concepts and theories."

@wizardsuth 6 месяцев назад

It has telepaths and telekinetics, and characters such as the Q who can essentially poof things into existence, but the idea is that there is some scientific explanation for all of it.

@TheTuubster 6 месяцев назад

@@wizardsuth The question is: What is the exception and what is the rule. The Roddenberry guidelines where not holy and could be broken, but you needed to have a reason for it. Q for example is a character which allows to question anything in the universe, a "joker character". But since he was a character, these broken rules needed to be articulated and explained through his dialogue and did not happen "just because". The Roddenberry guidelines were like the base formation of a team: Every member can break the formation (a defender can join an offensive attack) but then has to go back. This was also the case with these guidelines from the Star Trek writers bibles.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

@@TheTuubster Q is basically Trickster. You get into an exasperating situation, there's a problem to solve, and you come out of it with a life lesson you didn't have before. And the thing about SF kinds of science is that it has to be both plausible and consistent. That's why travel to the edge of the Milky Way is so ridiculous when comparing TOS and Voyager. It took Kirk a few hours to travel the distance that Voyager expected to take 70 years to travel, assuming they didn't find any short cuts.

@TheMess1998 6 месяцев назад

Neil deGrasse Tyson on Toy Story: "Thats not how Toys would walk and talk"

@Jacqueline_Thijsen 6 месяцев назад

Every science nerd does that with their favorite movies and shows. It's one way for us to actually get even more enjoyment out of it. Compare it to people knowing all the football stats. That would bore me to tears, but greatly enhances the experience for them. Science nerds generally love finding plot or continuity errors and discussing them. For one thing, getting to the bottom of why something doesn't work can help you figure out how it could be made to work. It's like a gearhead tinkering with a perfectly ok car to turn it into something better. Another great pastime we have is noticing the flaw, but then reason out an in universe way for why it wasn't a flaw but actually just the way it would actually work that way. It's a way to practice your reasoning skills without having to worry about any restrictions or real life consequences.

@stimswwolf7867 6 месяцев назад

@@Jacqueline_Thijsen it’s not that deep, the movie is a movie, not a documentary. Sci-fi is science fiction for a reason. It doesn’t say nonfiction. Saying a movie has scientific flaws when it was fiction to begin with is kind of dumb

@Jacqueline_Thijsen 6 месяцев назад

@@stimswwolf7867 It's kinda dumb the same way memorizing football stats is kinda dumb. It's something people enjoy doing. For fun.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

@@stimswwolf7867 No, it's not dumb. If something is marketed as science fiction, it needs to have some degree of plausible science in it, either currently known science or plausibly extrapolated from currently known science.

@stimswwolf7867 6 месяцев назад

@@Shan_Dalamani well, Dune has nailed just that. They converted the science of how vibrations in sand works

@ReginnKunnr 6 месяцев назад

If Neil deGrasse Tyson had read the books, he would probably come across the peculiar information that water is actualy poisonous to the sandworms, so if you're looking for scientific inacuracies in the Dune series, wouldn't that be an obvious thing to point out, seeing that no known creature can exist entirely without water. Nerd out!

@CatsBestFinds59 6 месяцев назад

Such a fun and entertaining interview 👏 ❤

@CarCinCal 6 месяцев назад

Stephen Colbert bringing up Michael Moorcock and "The Eternal Champion" cycle is a purely cut, high fidelity, USDA grade A level solid Geek flex right there... Neil: Science is stranger than Fiction Stephen: Yes, but have you heard of High Fantasy + Soft Sci-fi?

@christihanyi5538 6 месяцев назад

Micheal Moorcock, Elric, Corum, Cornelius, those are some books that need to be rediscovered and turned into movies.

@kagarii 6 месяцев назад

Yesss

@JockoJonson17 6 месяцев назад

Yes!!!

@TurgenevTheGamer 6 месяцев назад

I'm re-enjoying "The Books of Corum" via audiobook. If you're looking for media, start there, it's a fresh way to absorb Moorcock's fiction beyond the paper bound route. And the voice actor performed very nicely to boot. ;)

@s1x6x1s 6 месяцев назад

2:08 c'mon NDT... i love you man, but it would appear that you didn't read the book, or pay closer attention to the movie. the reason why the vibration of the thumper (or footsteps) can attract the sandworm is because it happens in an area where, below the surface, there's a hollow space--possibly a tunnel created by a sandworm. they call it "worm territory" because that area is frequented by sandworms. there's even a scene where Paul Atreides was looking for the right spot to plant the thumper.

@iqtv9489 6 месяцев назад

Wait, NDT not doing the required reading, and talking straight out of his @$$? The hell you say 🤣 what a clown

@jackprier7727 6 месяцев назад

So--loose sand particles being poor at sound-wave propagation is not enough, we now have hollows in that sand? Hollows stop sound better than non-cohesive sand does. It's the tiny hollows in insulation that allow it to stop sound or heat transfer-

@johnobrien2643 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the Michael Moorcock name drop. My favorite fantasy author. Elric is great, Corum is phenomenal.

@christihanyi5538 6 месяцев назад

same

@jameswatson5011 6 месяцев назад

Acoustics are different from VIBRATIONS. The ground, sand, will still propagate vibrations. In fact, it is better through a more solid medium then the "looser" molecularly dense air. AS for the worms propulsion,... yeah, worm farts. Smell the spice!

@baronwarborn9107 6 месяцев назад

Good points by Neil. But the Heighliners though has propulsion are essentially massive carriers. The space folding of the holzman engines is how they move vast distances

@markkostecki4558 6 месяцев назад

They don’t hear the thumper they feel the vibrations

@petere8612 5 месяцев назад

There are no vibrations in sand, or at least very bad ones.

@dyeace 5 месяцев назад

Oh my sweet summer child, this world is too complex for you

@lrvogt1257 6 месяцев назад

Physicist and educator, Sean Carroll has advised on several big sci-fi films and he says... It's not his job to tell the film makers that they can't do that but to figure out a plausible way to make it work.

@EKAdventures51 6 месяцев назад

LOVE that tie Neil, I want one

@Warnerchild 6 месяцев назад

THERE IS LITERAL VIDEO OF THE SOUND TEAM RECORDING THE THUMPS IN SAND FOR THE FILM

@coco37s 6 месяцев назад

Perfect time to rewatch the key and peele sketch

@uweheine9079 6 месяцев назад

I just love the fact that Stephen gets to use the word "peristaltic". I think that's a first for late night TV!

@lenkacfk7155 6 месяцев назад

The outtake where NDT explains the zodiac signs is really the only part of the movie I'd want to see!

@ss11733 6 месяцев назад

what he described is vedic astrology, only Western is behind

@asicdathens 6 месяцев назад

I do not know if the 2 Dune movies was the perfect "movies" , but Frank Herbert's books were the pinnacle of sci-fi literature.

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

FH's books are among the best of the best, but in my view C.J. Cherryh's *Cyteen* would be a good rival. Her take on reawakening the personality of a cloned person is fantastic and doesn't go anywhere near mysticism. Both are complex books that you can read 20 times and get new insights with every re-read.

@jennypulczinski7204 6 месяцев назад

They were not worms. They were only CALLED worms in the vernacular. Frank knew all about how actual worms work, but he postulated a new lifeform and spent a lot of time working it out. So, no, it would not move like an Earth-type worm, because it is not a worm

@patriciaalley1562 6 месяцев назад

Well, Neil does have a point but those thumpers were extra loud.

@bovinejonie3745 6 месяцев назад

Are they talking about Tremors?

@santos.l.halper1999 6 месяцев назад

worms are sensitive to vibrations in the sand because they give off emp much like how dogs and sharks sense of smell works. This property also helps them move through the sand and is why they don't react to vibrations in rock formations

@JamesOfEarth 6 месяцев назад

Here I am again trying to watch the interview in sequence, since whoever’s in charge of posting these can’t add a segment number or at least post them in the correct order. Why?

@katica04 6 месяцев назад

That’s a first world problem if I’ve ever heard one

@Shan_Dalamani 6 месяцев назад

Laziness? Carelessness? It's annoying not to have the rest of it.

@kobiee2x137 4 месяца назад

@@katica04 Im sorry it didnt occur to me to that children are starving while Im trying to watch a talk show interview at three in the morning. WTF

@katica04 4 месяца назад

@@kobiee2x137 why do you assume I was being mean?! My goodness people are terrible online, thinking the worst. Go ahead, reply with another response of how terrible I am, I’m waiting

@katica04 4 месяца назад

My current first world problem is being annoyed by a random stranger on the internet

@peterfedun-sk3jt 6 месяцев назад

I read the Dune series twice, Mr. Colbert, and I’m right there with you as far as my fanaticism.

@TwoLeftThumbs 6 месяцев назад

What struck me in both movies was why does anyone go outside during the day? Surely the night would be more bearable.

@BlackEpyon 6 месяцев назад

Early morning and evening are bearable. At high noon the temperature becomes extremely hazardous.

@CharlieQuartz 6 месяцев назад

Because it’s almost impossible to get a good film of the worm at night

@alexc4300 6 месяцев назад

Sorry, Neal, but when the construction site over the road was doing vibrocompaction I could feel it 400 yards or so away. We were on sand strata about 2 miles deep. Can’t recall if it was gravels or bedrock below that.

@TheKrispyfort 6 месяцев назад

Worms and snakes move differently. The Dune sand worms (DSW), possibly a variety with similar body plan and general configuration of terran Annelida, could very well go straight as an Terran earth worm does. And, the riding of the DSWs is dependent upon forcing the surface plates of ringed segments to part, exposing the spiracles and soft connective tissues which are very tender, and the DSWs do not want sand in their spiracles and between their segment plates because that chaffs. However, the DSW would have learnt by now that the little pests remove themselves eventually. They are spicy after all.

@whatabouttheearth 6 месяцев назад

Of course, snakes are sauropsids, so before that amniota, before that tetrapoda, and on and on. They're tetrapods, so an entirely different taxonomy, snakes like all tetrapods derived from Sarcopterygy (lobed fin fish). Hell, 😂 they're vertebrates. Worms are that invertebrate shit I don't study enough.

@jonny-b4954 6 месяцев назад

Yeah but the sand worms are definitely more like snakes than worms. No way they could support their mass without a skeleton structure, like a snake. Unlike a worm.

@TheKrispyfort 6 месяцев назад

I forgot to mention that annelids that live in geolith also have protrusions that act like oars, allowing them to 'swim' in a straight line through the substrate.

@Roberta-q1q 6 месяцев назад

Not a biologist, Neil missed the hydraulic propulsion of segmented annelids. (Earthworms.) Each segment is a hydraulic jack. But, yeah, there should be rippling pulsations of wormquakes as each segment alternates between short & wide, long & thin. I have a problem, though, with the worms' speed of travel through the high friction fluid of sand. Lookit me, angling for Chuck Nice's sidekick gig. Not really, I love to see those guys work together!

@TalesofEthen 6 месяцев назад

Drum sand was discussed in the first movie. Its a part of the world

@paulhadden 6 месяцев назад

Sound might be insulated, or is it the rhythmic vibration from the thump. The Worms go straight when the grappling hooks tear/lift a scale and the worm keeps that open wound above sand. Astrologically you get both, the 12 house zodiac clock and the 13 house one. Both are useful for introspection and numerical superstition accounting for cosmic inflation and population growth

@SeldimSeen1 6 месяцев назад

Vibrations can travel through sand if the vibration is high enough. So theoreticlally the "thumper" in Dune could work. Have to side with Stephen on this.

@zacharynovak2180 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, and in behind the scenes footage from the first movie the sound designers show how they buried microphones at different distances in the desert to record sound effects. For the thumper I believe they used a rubber mallet. The video’s on youtube somewhere.

@paavobergmann4920 6 месяцев назад

compacted sand can be a good resonator. Singing Dunes are a real thing.

@majornerd 6 месяцев назад

Drum sand was how it was handled in the book. Still not “real” but regular sand didn’t work. They kind of tried to show it in the movie, but it didn’t carry well in the film.

@alberton.1601 6 месяцев назад

I do miss Carl Sagan...

@erickgomez7775 6 месяцев назад

This poor man's Sagan is unbearable

@iqtv9489 6 месяцев назад

I'm telling you, check out this guy I've been following for a while called RL Poole on the channel @thehauntedsky. He destroys NDT and it is hilarious. I want to hear them debate physics, and see this egotistical gasbag get humbled. Can't stand this guy, and RL Poole tears through him like a woodchipper. Truly epic stuff if you hate Neil like I do.

@teresas8173 6 месяцев назад

@@erickgomez7775as is your comment

@teresas8173 6 месяцев назад

@@erickgomez7775your comment is unbearable

@BlackEpyon 6 месяцев назад

I think the problem is that you're trying to compare Neil's personality with Carl's instead of just accepting him as Neil.

@duncansutherland47 6 месяцев назад

The sand thumper doesn’t actually thump the sand. The mechanism thumps on its self not the sand. It sends the sound waves it creates into the sand. At least that’s how I think I remember it.

@anthony7697 6 месяцев назад

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but at last check vibrations still go through sand right? Example being an Earthquake happens you'd still feel it even on the beach or in a desert? While it may be called a 'Thumper' could that not be just due to the sound it makes that we hear from the machinery working which is creating the same kind of waves that happen when an earthquake happens in which then the sand worm picks up on that and heads for the source which isn't necessarily sound? I mean, in this case with the odd step it may mimic things the sand worm doesn't consider a 'threat', where as the vibrations of the thumper replicate similar ones to the spice harvesters and so attack it to defend the territory, having learned that those and the ones humans make when walking normally are a threat to be dealt with, but not yet figured out thumpers.

@tychojhin4820 6 месяцев назад

I'm a geologist with a background in application of geophysics. Sand does attenuate seismic/acoustic waves to some degree, but it doesn't completely stop the waves in their tracks. For example, seismic resolution is heavily affected in deserts - specifically deserts covered in sand dunes. However, the waves are actually echoed within the sand dunes and re-emitted over time. This is why it's an issue in seismic surveys. In the case of Dune, we're not worried about the signals returning. So, if the worms are found within giant sand dunes, the seismic waves would likely still reach them.

@Dudemon-1 6 месяцев назад

@@tychojhin4820-- As a geologist with similar background, I thank you for posting this. I concur. NDT spouts off incorrectly A LOT.

@j_middles 6 месяцев назад

“Someone didn’t do the research” yea, it was you Neil

@brandonsheffer1396 6 месяцев назад

I used to be a big fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson. I've noticed recently he comments more and more as an "expert" on fields that he is completely clueless about. Just because you're good at math and have an understanding of astrophysics does not mean you are an expert in every field of science. He can make comments at times laughing at the absurdity of something someone has presented and he is actually really not informed on the topic. Notably with the UAP arguments, etc. People look to Neil as "America's smart guy" and he is...I just wish he'd admit when he is essentially talking out his ass.

@caspiansfriend 6 месяцев назад

Indeed! I couldn’t agree more.

@CR-hq1uz 6 месяцев назад

This dude really does go through the universe sucking the joy out of everything.

@flotsamike 6 месяцев назад

He's obviously never walked on a clean , loose sand beach or a very large. sand dune. You can hear the chirping sound in the air from almost 100 yards away .

@melodyreeves5245 6 месяцев назад

I thought he was talking about the movie Tremors w/ Kevin Bacon 🤣

@shawnradcliffe3514 6 месяцев назад

Neil, imo even if it baffles me, seems to not have read the Dune series, which a lot of people I interact with who have saw the recent movies as well haven't. First thing, its the OG of modern sci-fi. Second, the story takes place tens of thousands of years ahead of our own in a fictional context; who knows what breakthroughs in technology that this fictional timeline experienced? Its just fiction is all Im saying, still love Neil and would revel at the chance to have a conversation with him.

@biggerdoofus 6 месяцев назад

From what I can find looking on sites like researchgate, sand only does a good job blocking sound at higher frequencies. This means that even if humans can't hear the thumps, the sand worms could feel them.

@Aaackermann 6 месяцев назад

I love Neil! I adore his knowledge and his great way of explaining physics and other scientific topics. But for the love of god, stop dismantling scifi/fantasy movies like my former girlfriend would!

@ragingtomato04 6 месяцев назад

I am about to go full Butlerian Jihad mode with these "AWT66W" bots, seriously 😂

@patrickkelly7614 6 месяцев назад

I'm disappointed that Google can't filter out such poorly constructed spam. Geez, it's just TurkishName(random string), off topic text, awt--- That doesn't even need AI!

@Claego 6 месяцев назад

When it comes to the sand, they showed multiple times characters wiping away the top layer of sand to get to the more solid, compacted, underneath sand. Then the characters proceeded to thump it so the sand worms would hear.