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Is a fibreglass body shell really that light? Weighing a Lotus Esprit 

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@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring День назад
Roll up! roll up! Guess the weight of the Lotus Esprit body shell! Reply to this comment with your best guess. Competition closes after the video has been live for 24hrs. Winner(s) will get a ❤ and receive a pack of Soup stickers. ** Comp has closed - the correct weight was 145kg/319.6lbs. Winner's guessed within 5kg/11lbs either side. If you recieved a ❤and would like a sticker set, send a message via the About tab on the channel main page **
@DonalHiggins-Ireland
@DonalHiggins-Ireland День назад
gotta be 181kgs.
@esesel7831
@esesel7831 День назад
96 kg
@Biohazard667Productions
@Biohazard667Productions День назад
140 kg
@maxk3571
@maxk3571 День назад
127kg
@roymcgavigan5018
@roymcgavigan5018 День назад
And I like the music😉
@CodewortSchinken
@CodewortSchinken День назад
Honestly, I like the white paint on blue interior so much better, than the green colour. It just fits the 80s wedge aesthetics.
@Metalwolf765
@Metalwolf765 День назад
It is a really classy look!
@greeneyes7392
@greeneyes7392 День назад
True ! I like the white too ! Also, because George doesn’t have an interior yet , choosing a color at this stage of the game ? Hmm , hopefully he lines something up during the time he preps the body…
@stephenbutler3333
@stephenbutler3333 День назад
I think you'll find it's 70s , not 80s
@revolutionday1
@revolutionday1 День назад
Yeah, that green is absolutely disgusting to look at.
@malcolmyoung7866
@malcolmyoung7866 День назад
Can’t agree… But that’s what makes this such a great project to watch.
@4BitAutomotive
@4BitAutomotive День назад
Happy to see the body finally getting sanded! From one Lotus guy to another, beware of invisible fiberglass cracks... Whenever you think you've found all the cracks, wipe over the car with wax and grease remover and check for dark lines as it dries; you'll find all of the cracks that are normally indistinguishable from sanding scratches, and it will save you from a ruined paint job (primer doesn't fill them). This happened on my Elise project and it was miserable
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Found some truly tiny ones, the accumulated fine dust that hangs in the air in the body shop acted like guide coat and showed up everything.
@robertwaple3422
@robertwaple3422 День назад
And here you thought the body work would just fit into one video! Stop motion, your perfect narration, fantastic editing and all in a nice 14 minute video. Great start to the bodywork journey, George!
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Glad you liked it!
@froopty1854
@froopty1854 День назад
Watching someone work on my favorite car ever made and showing why it's so good fills me with joy
@meltdown6165
@meltdown6165 День назад
Love the stop motion! Lots of extra work, but it makes your videos unique.
@jzab
@jzab День назад
It’s been a long day, and my brain is tired. Your selection of music for this video was perfect for my mood. Thanks, George, you’re a gem. Keep it up.
@Parknest
@Parknest День назад
George, the late great Colin Chapman would be proud of you employing his philosophy of adding lightness.
@ericfrye4106
@ericfrye4106 День назад
I'm enjoying you documenting of the restoration more than you can imagine. I'm in the process of doing a similar project on a Puma GTC. I can tell you that a rotisserie for the body work is priceless. Doesn't matter if you build it yourself or buy it you will not regret it.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen День назад
The channel My Mechanics is restoring a Datsun 240Z, and the first thing he did was build a rotisserie... as the series progressed I understood why. Good luck with the Puma!
@Kucher99
@Kucher99 День назад
Love this build. GL George.
@johnnycab1000
@johnnycab1000 День назад
A lovely job in the making. I have to admit the animated scenes with the music for me is a delight. - Just special. looking forward to the next installment. Best of luck and regards, John
@PeterBramwell
@PeterBramwell День назад
Please, please, please keep the black Lotus badges. They were in honour of Jim Clark after his tragic death and in my view every Lotus since 1968 should have had black badges. From a Jimmy fan since I was 8 in 1961.
@Paul_D_Lashley
@Paul_D_Lashley День назад
Loving the build as someone who’s done a few cars and motorcycles restorations I can appreciate all the work. Good on you for seeing it though, most people stop halfway through the tear down
@malcolmyoung7866
@malcolmyoung7866 День назад
Heading home ‘on da’ bus’ so will have to forgo an immediate click and watch of this latest episode. This is an obviously deliberate act of timing by George, the tease!
@hippynurd
@hippynurd День назад
Ive literally been waiting years for this episode. Thank you.
@jordanholmes9943
@jordanholmes9943 День назад
Another great work of art video about a work of art car
@musclecargarage
@musclecargarage День назад
Awesome video, as usual. Thank you for all the hard work. The early Esprit’s all crack around the headlights, you may want to (lightly) reinforce underneath…
@JustATakit
@JustATakit День назад
This build is going to take forever and I'm not going to put much faith in getting to see it finished so good luck and I hope it turns out how you want it to
@garethgrundy8087
@garethgrundy8087 День назад
Great to see you progressing into the body shell. Having watched all the meticulous metalwork on the rolling chassis I hope the fibreglass gives you far fewer dramas. Suggest you wear gloves if you want to keep the skin in your hands too! 😃
@ingojochl9444
@ingojochl9444 14 часов назад
your stop motion technique is very impressiv. i don't know what i should like more, the car or the process of rebuilding it
@DennisGarage
@DennisGarage День назад
damn those stop motion shots of the paint sanded away must have been painful to do
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
A week in those alone 😮‍💨
@grauerjoker
@grauerjoker 13 часов назад
Wow, a lot of work. Thanks for sharing.
@brianpatten
@brianpatten День назад
I'm so friggin excited for you, George b'y. This car is going to be a new legend for the restoration lovers - but mainly, it's going to be *your* artful masterpiece. Now, I wonder if something like lightening holes in discrete places would benefit the weight saving goals. Perhaps there's a couple spots where 2 cm of fibreglass won't be missed!
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Not sure I could bring myself to cut holes in the body, Brian 😅
@TheXxPSYCHO
@TheXxPSYCHO День назад
Thank you for making a video on what we all already knew.
@jeremywitt1940
@jeremywitt1940 День назад
Please don't Dremel out individual gel cracks and fill them, they'll only come back. Get a copy of "How to Restore Fibreglass Bodywork" by Miles Wilkins, it'll teach you all you need to know.
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Have you seen the prices for that book these days?
@asennad
@asennad День назад
There is a product I've seen used on automotive fiberglass restoration. Its a epoxy based filler infused with carbon fibre. Helps prevents spider cracks after paint.
@danielesilvaggi
@danielesilvaggi 8 часов назад
I think the chassis weighs 135 pounds. I love watching this build and can't wait to see the finished product. Keep up the great work.
@CortinasAndClassics
@CortinasAndClassics День назад
Wonderfull episode George it must have taken you hours. Keep up the good work fella I am enjoying it.
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 День назад
This car is going to be so effing good at the end……I don’t want the series to end, but, I can’t wait to see the end result…..
@lancemchatton9893
@lancemchatton9893 16 часов назад
Thanks for another video!
@chrissax5477
@chrissax5477 День назад
Amazing video as always!! Great work and so good captured on video! 🙏🏻
@alexandermccarthy
@alexandermccarthy 8 часов назад
I love the Tony Hart music in the first section 😁
@sibarnby38
@sibarnby38 День назад
Keep going, looking good buddy, cheers for the stickers 👍
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Was wondering whether they arrived! ✌🏼
@Sohave
@Sohave День назад
110 Kg! That is my unqualified shot in the twilight from watching your ability to almost carry it yourself but lifting it somewhat trouble free with a friend.
@themightyquinn1960
@themightyquinn1960 День назад
Please keep up the great work, I really love your video's and animated style. I'm guessing the body weights 240 Kg, or approx 530lbs.
@cesarmagdaleno6009
@cesarmagdaleno6009 День назад
At least you don’t have to worry about the body panels rusting if you don’t primer. I also like the white color. But I know that race green from the past is preferred. Looking good so far.
@tho4747
@tho4747 День назад
The white paint shows the crisp Lines of the car so much better than the green, that just hildes them.
@jeep10921092
@jeep10921092 День назад
Such great videos! 163 kilos, is what I'm thinking.
@alcampbell5831
@alcampbell5831 День назад
Interesting that the "balance point" was about the mid point between the wheel arches, I would've guessed that the front half wthe the low bonnet would've weighed less.
@09juliancarr
@09juliancarr День назад
Front bulkhead would need to be quite reinforced as you need it for steering and brake feel. That is also why the front steel beam was there
@grkfrk04
@grkfrk04 День назад
This is getting so exciting
@greeneyes7392
@greeneyes7392 День назад
Yo George ! Thank you for another video ! Right in line with all the others - top shelf buddy ! Is this your 15th video this year ? Think you can make us another 2 before years end ? Like maybe 1 for Christmas and 1 for New Years ? That would be crazy if u can deliver
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Do my best!
@brianmacadam4793
@brianmacadam4793 День назад
At some point you should do a "montage" of making an episode, show up how the camera is set up ( and what camera exactly ), a before and after ( which of course we already see ) but narrate in the TIME it takes including the editing and how you figure your dialogue.
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Already done... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4bW5BLPFS7s.html
@rbgosling
@rbgosling 21 час назад
If only sanding was as quick and easy as watching you do it in stop-motion!
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen День назад
Oh yes baby! Getting to the actual body work now... We are on the home stretch.... Only 4 or 5 years more until it's complete :P
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
😂
@johngibson3837
@johngibson3837 День назад
Nice work mr soup thinking i should of gone with my original thought and said same weight as two supermodels
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
😄
@earthstick
@earthstick 23 часа назад
Vinyl ester is a sailor's preference. Survives in water better than polyester. But epoxy is the gold standard.
@Reman1975
@Reman1975 День назад
Well, I've paused the video at the intro to have a ponder about how much I think the shell weighs. I don't know if lotus used any metal reinforcements in the Esprit's body, or how much (And what kind of) sound deadening they saw fit to add, but I'm imagining I'm one of a pair of people picking it up to move it, and I'm feeling at the front I wouldn't be lifting much more than 60kg, but at the back I'd be struggling with a 70 or 80kg deadlift. So let's split the difference there and say I guess it will be around 135kg I'm really hoping you DO reveal the shells weight in this video, because I'm now curious how far off I am. 🙂 EDIT - Soooooo close........ But in my defence, I'd just like say that I didn't think about it still having all those brackets, headlining, etc in it. And when I said "metal reinforcements" I was thinking more about laminated in load spreading metal plates for areas like seatbelt anchor points, where door, bonnet, rear hatch hinges bolt to, and maybe roll over structure in the A and B posts. Not a myriad of bolt in braces. I'm really surprised (though thinking about it, I shouldn't have been) to see how the balancing point of the shell shows that it's pretty nose heavy. I really thought those rear arches and buttresses would have added to the weight out back, but now I think about it, the Esprit had close to a 50/50 weight distribution, so the shell would have to be designed as light as possible in the rear so the engine didn't drag the CoG too far back.
@Oldsmobile69
@Oldsmobile69 День назад
While I don't exactly know what you're missing in the interior, don't fret, if you can't get everything surely you can just build and 3D-print stuff that looks even better. Instead of the original gauges, use a screen for the gauges and all that. While a restoration is fine, it's ok to do custom stuff if you're replacing lost bits.
@manfredschmalbach9023
@manfredschmalbach9023 4 часа назад
Just Imagine what Colin Chapman and his chaps could have done had they had exactly saturated, high-temp curing carbon-fiber prepregs and vacuum bagging in the 1 bar-region as their building method for road cars (instead of polyester-snot-with-shortstrand-cut-up-glass) after a rough finite elements construction to find the load-peaks in need of more than one layer per sandwich-side .... That Esprit was made pre-crazy-crash-requirements, so weight in the shell would have been concentrated only where needed for the sled to be stiff enough to not shrug off her doors when opened or not lose her frontlights in 220 kph nightdrives .... That is like thinking of Nathanael Herreshoff (Capt'n Nat, the yacht-builder from Rhode Island) and what _he_ would have done with epoxy and carbon. On the other hand: taking off considerable amounts of weight with 80grit will make it even lighter. White topcoat will need way less layers, weightwise, than the green one - just sayin' 😆; that "let's not have heavy color"-approach is what made the Mercedes silver-arrows back in the days: Aluminium, bared of any paint whatsoever. Thanks for sharing!
@stephenbroaders
@stephenbroaders День назад
125 kilos,watching u guys lifting the lotus body that’s my best guess
@Jurforpresident
@Jurforpresident 17 часов назад
Ah you know what look good with that green? Yellow headlights! You know, Le Mans style….
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
😎
@kjeldlarsen912
@kjeldlarsen912 День назад
Love it thank you
@RichardLorddeCameron
@RichardLorddeCameron 7 часов назад
I'd have thought about 150 kg when I saw two people lifting the Esprit S2 body. I was close :)
@FoolishPursuitForce
@FoolishPursuitForce День назад
I'm not a new patron, just had to reign in expenses for a few months :D -Harald (the one dummy with the Volvo 242)
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
I knew :)
@peterloveday4313
@peterloveday4313 День назад
177kg and good luck with the build
@jasonwishart6800
@jasonwishart6800 День назад
If you are still planning to race it, modern sticky tyres will place a lot more torsional load through the chassis and body than that which it was designed. My Alfa gtv developed lots of cracks through its 20 years of club racing. Think about how to strengthen while you have it apart. Easier now than later.
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Never planned to race ;)
@DrJunge
@DrJunge 15 часов назад
97kg. Greattings from Germany.
@skybirdprojects5489
@skybirdprojects5489 9 часов назад
I'd wager that the measurement with the two scales is more accurate. Those cheap scales are likely non-linear in their accuracy. It's easy enough to measure that deficiency when they are designed and skew it so that it's most accurate around the median adult weight (even if they don't come out perfect like you saw with the one). If the car weighs close to two adults, then I'd say use the measurement with the two scales.
@simonbrooke4065
@simonbrooke4065 День назад
If it's twice your weight, it's 160kg (give or take). Which, given glass fibre and polyester resin, seems believable. But it also sounds as though you could cut the weight of the bodyshell by well more than half by going for a carbon/nomex layup with epoxy resin, particularly if you used either pre-preg or vacuum bagging to keep the epoxy content minimal.
@nexpro6985
@nexpro6985 22 часа назад
Where can I pick up a pack of the invisible car cleaning pixies?
@denseljosephs9500
@denseljosephs9500 День назад
I'd reinforce the fibreglass stressed parts with carbon fibre. 😊
@300DBenz
@300DBenz День назад
Seeing the windshield adhesive come off, I bet there used to be a LOT of wind noise at highway speeds. (And water leaks)
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
ditto
@philpowell6915
@philpowell6915 День назад
162 kg ❤
@futten3230
@futten3230 День назад
lotus body shells are light unlike american once the corvettes would have been lighter probably if they made the body from steel when the body is half an inch thick
@SkylarkCamperAdventures
@SkylarkCamperAdventures День назад
156kg for the body…a very wild guess!
@redbackspider
@redbackspider День назад
315 kg from Darwin Australia :)
@charcosull
@charcosull День назад
158kg
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 2 часа назад
Sadly due to the BABVVO and TEBBVO laws, all petrol cars will unfortunately soon be banned from public streets in the EU, CH USA and Scandinavia :-( In Germany, the Green People's Party has given the order to shorten the fuel supply from 2025 by reducing all conventional gas stations to just one state-run central gas station per city or county Now they even want to slow down all gas pumps by 20 liters per minute to 2 liters per minute... From 2027, some car spare parts will also be banned in the EU... such as exhaust systems, turbochargers and even some engine and gearbox oils. .. California and New York will do the same from 2027... So no more investing in petrol cars... They even created a new type of crime here called emissions and smoke crime . "Bundesabgasbespaßungsverbotsverordnung" BABVVO in Germany and HESCHLAVVO in Switzerland and SMORVERBIDDEN in Sweden. Unfortunately, aditionaly the Green Jesus Federal Exhaust Gas Funneling Prohibition Ordinance (BABVVO) will soon ban the driving of combustion engines in public outside of verifiable commuter trips and transport trips, as exhaust gas fungus will then be a traffic offense! In addition, the green Jesus of Germany is probably planning to shut down all chimneys and have them filled with foam from June 2025.
@JakobKsGarage
@JakobKsGarage День назад
142kg? Car love from DK 😎
@Miata822
@Miata822 День назад
If it's structural, I'm guessing 8-900 pounds. Reason is my experience with boat hulls. Fiberglass in that era was built with a heavy hand, too much chopped glass and too much resin. EDIT: OK, by <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:08</a> I've seen I was wrong, but that also means it's not really structural at all.
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Actually it's designed to add structure to the chassis. They are solid mounted together.
@hydorah
@hydorah День назад
Weigh your Esprit with this one weird tip. Corner weights makers hate this guy
@73cuda340hil
@73cuda340hil День назад
354lbs. It's a Hemi thing.
@princesstrojan740
@princesstrojan740 День назад
332lbs 😊
@lawsonjones2285
@lawsonjones2285 День назад
Having restored a fiberglass (Midas) shell, I'll take rusty metal any day of the week
@512Berlinetta
@512Berlinetta День назад
367 Reptile Paws (or pounds in American units).
@ronaldsimms-nh7dx
@ronaldsimms-nh7dx День назад
The wooden boards used to balance the body should've been weighed and the amount subtracted. The wood wasn't present with the 4 scales...
@timbo1863
@timbo1863 День назад
157 KG ?…..and the vastly better half guesses 142kg (Mrs Timbo)
@tinman7551
@tinman7551 День назад
125 kilograms
@justint7460
@justint7460 День назад
172KG
@jasongardner6533
@jasongardner6533 День назад
Please do white
@MrDeratizare
@MrDeratizare День назад
98 kg!
@schrodingerscat8621
@schrodingerscat8621 День назад
173 kg
@kseibert75
@kseibert75 День назад
296 lbs. Not sure what that is in kilograms and still kinda annoyed that the Brits dropped off the Imperial system here and switched to Metric themselves.
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring День назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JYqfVE-fykk.html :D
@simonbrooke4065
@simonbrooke4065 День назад
Brits have (officially) not one so, because official Brits are still stone-age idiots. Everyone with seven sixteenths of an ounce of common sense, of course, has left all that how-many-firkins-to-the-furlong nonsense in the dustbin of history where it belongs.
@murraywagnon1841
@murraywagnon1841 День назад
325 lbs.
@aNorwegianGuy
@aNorwegianGuy День назад
It weighs the equivalent of approximately 7500 pieces of cutlery
@Learn2Think4Yourself
@Learn2Think4Yourself День назад
380 lbs
@skyknight6467
@skyknight6467 День назад
285lbs
@skyknight6467
@skyknight6467 День назад
I legit didn't cheat I posted this about 3 min after it went live and well before I saw you weighing it. I'm sure someone got closer but I happy with my guess.
@magomat6756
@magomat6756 День назад
She will be beautiful when you arebfinisch with here. I always think on the James bond film with roger more and the lotus .I had a dinkytoy on when I was young long time ago, by the way
@philipB31
@philipB31 День назад
You never make life easy for yourself - there must be some mechanical method of removing the paint that doesn’t cause irreparable flat spots… surely? But if you did make it easy, perhaps the joy of the process would be lost too… regardless of that, thank you for sharing the joy.
@richardstiers9010
@richardstiers9010 2 часа назад
Lotus could not afford the tooling and heavy machinery required to produce a body. Nor the duration of time that process takes. Fiberglass molding is far easier to achieve on their scale. Almost a garage industry. While weight was considered, they really did not have an affordable alternative. Take the Corvette, for example. Even GM, which could have afforded the tooling and stamping, chose to go with fiberglass. Mostly due to the limited production runs. It was not financially prudent to invest that much time and expense.
@Jimbobnorelation
@Jimbobnorelation 20 часов назад
Hi! Why is your gear lever “bent backwards” (or was it an optical illusion on the video?) - every Esprit I’ve ever owned or seen has an upright gear lever!?
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Unmolested S2 shifter, is raked backward from the factory
@Jimbobnorelation
@Jimbobnorelation 14 часов назад
Indeed it is, by maybe 5-10 degrees…but I think I just realised why it looked odd at first glance in the video when you are replacing the blue centre console - it must be in gear? 2nd most likely or 4th?? As when in neutral it would stand up much straighter I’m sure…anyway another excellent episode, I can’t imagine how long the stop motion sanding down sections must have taken to produce, but the results from an entertainment perspective speak for themselves, bravo! Cheers and good luck with the interior search also!
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Actually it's because the linkage isn't connected and the shifter naturally sits back a little. A week in those short stop motion sanding sections btw. Thanks a mill :)
@Jimbobnorelation
@Jimbobnorelation 14 часов назад
@@soupclassicmotoringthat would definitely explain it! I should have thought of that myself! 😂 And yet again great work George - I look forward to the next instalment!
@fillusrahim-xy9ib
@fillusrahim-xy9ib День назад
Why not using carbon fibre for the body or making moulds ?
@jdw242b
@jdw242b День назад
state-side fan here; I'm guessing 200ks
@nathanshobe
@nathanshobe День назад
343.2 lbs
@Fosgen
@Fosgen День назад
Not cheap, but acid adip would take both paint and rust > repair > galv > paint.
@soupclassicmotoring
@soupclassicmotoring 14 часов назад
Can't acid dip fibreglass
@6regmcc
@6regmcc День назад
96.7kg
@gertv6777
@gertv6777 День назад
Man i would have guessed less than 300 pounds for a fiberglass shell
@TheRealHolyGhost
@TheRealHolyGhost День назад
203kg
@fila1445
@fila1445 День назад
124,6 kg
@tjackman
@tjackman День назад
That shell looks like it would weigh around 204 pounds.
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