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Is a Palestinian State Still Possible? 

Prof James Ker-Lindsay
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On 30 December 2022, the UN General Assembly passed a resolution referring Israel’s occupation of Palestine to the International Court of Justice. The decision, only the fourth such decision in twenty years, marks a potentially significant moment. The judges of the ICJ will be asked to rule on the legal implications arising from what many now regard as the de facto annexation of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, as the areas are officially called by the United Nations. But just how did this situation arise and what is the request for an advisory opinion likely to mean?
The Israel-Palestine conflict is one of the most complex and emotional disputes in modern international relations. It has not only sparked four major wars, it has also seen the emergence of an insurgency and popular uprising - the Intifada. However, at one stage, it appears as though a settlement could be found. In the early 1990s, the sides agreed on a two-state solution. However, in the years since then, hopes for a negotiated solution have diminished. While Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, it has steadily expanded its settlements across the West Bank. This makes it hard to envisage the creation of a viable Palestinian State. But what does this longterm occupation now mean under international law? This is the question now facing the justices of the ICJ.
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VIDEO CHAPTERS
0:00 Introduction and Titles
00:37 The Israel-Palestine Conflict in Context
01:20 The Roots of the Israel-Palestine Conflict
02:28 The Israel-Palestine Conflict, 1949-1981
03:45 Israel-Palestine Peace, 1993-2003
05:05 Israeli-Palestinian Tensions, 2003-Present
06:17 The Role of the UN Human Rights Council
07:50 The Request for an ICJ Advisory Opinion
09:27 The Likely Advisory Opinion Procedure
FURTHER READING
Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs | State of Palestine
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International Court of Justice
www.icj-cij.org/en
UN Human Rights Council | Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, Including East Jerusalem, and Israel
www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hr...
1993 Declaration of Principles (Oslo Accord)
peacemaker.un.org/sites/peace...
1947 and 1967 Maps | The Map Archive
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Israeli Settlements | Peace Now
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The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: What Everyone Needs to Know
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The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict: A Very Short Introduction
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@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Happy New Year to you all! I'm kicking off 2023 with a big and always controversial issue. On 30 December 2022, the UN General Assembly put the question of Israel's ongoing occupation of Palestine before the International Court of Justice. But what do you think will happen? And will it have any effect on efforts to find a lasting settlement? As ever, I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts and comments. Also, as you'll see, I'm really delighted to welcome World Politics Review on board as a channel sponsor. It really is a fantastic publication. I have actually written for them in the past and so can vouch for them in the highest terms! Do give it a look: wpr.pub/jkl Many thanks!
@rhetoric5173
@rhetoric5173 Год назад
It's not OMG SUPER COMPLICATED, it was simply colonialism, it was described as such by the founders of the state. The supposed agreement referred to at 2:00 weren't REJECTED by the evil mean natives, the colonising party had already killed thousands at that point with their t4rrorist m1litias (lookup haggana\blackhand) this yter is a vristian cnservative however, or atleast one that so consistently tows their line and rhetroic that the bias is blatantly obvious even under the pseudo objective guise presented.
@FlamingBasketballClub
@FlamingBasketballClub Год назад
Can you please do future videos on Cacao production in Africa and South America? Those two regions make up the majority of the world's chocolate production.
@darthvader6005
@darthvader6005 Год назад
Your rhetoric seems to be out of an Israeli playbook ... NO, this issue is certainly NOT complicated, Israelis are illegal colonialists protected by USA and Britain by illegal, immoral and barbaric methods. As a South African, who lived through Apartheid, I can clearly identify it in Israel! Colonialism and BARBARIC Apartheid at it's finest, and Israel and it's supporters should be called out and taken to task.
@RobespierreThePoof
@RobespierreThePoof Год назад
I'm in favor of anything that pushes this situation forward. Israelis keep putting the same guy in power even though he prolongs and worsens the situation. However, ultimately the power to resolve the conflict resides in the hands of the Israeli government and Palestinian Authority. I don't see this development changing that basic reality.
@013Nicolas
@013Nicolas Год назад
Hello professor. I know it's kinda off topic, by as someone who is interested in studing international relations and politics at an academic level, I was wondering what books, articles and whatnot you would recomend. Thank you.
@erfanehsan8609
@erfanehsan8609 Год назад
As you said Professor, the decision will be non-binding. In the anarchic world of international relations, force is the only law. The dwindling support for the Palestinian Authority shows that the Palestinian people are understanding this fact more and more. They have also looked to their neighbors to the north. The UN Security Council passed a resolution in 1978 demanding Israel cease its invasion and occupation of Lebanon, which Israel ignored for 22 years. The occupation ended only from the pressure of the Lebanese guerillas. Palestinians have noticed this.
@ahmedbakr5834
@ahmedbakr5834 Год назад
What took by force shall be returned by force
@Sliman34
@Sliman34 Год назад
Not necessarily! In fact the Palestinians are following exactly the same path that Namibia has chosen and it succeeded! Not for nothing is Israel so angry about this move, since it knows that it will have consequences!
@itsytyt5192
@itsytyt5192 Год назад
Haha
@ihl0700677525
@ihl0700677525 Год назад
So called "International law" ultimately based on the relative balance of power and military support/backing of the world superpowers. In the 1970s and 1980s (after 1973 war), the Arabs failed to use Soviet support to negotiate lasting peace. I suppose you should now start courting China. IMO Chinese support will be crucial to counter-balance American support to Israel. One more thing, IMO Palestinian authority doesn't seem to understand how geopolitics works. They seems to expect others to support them just because they believe they are the righteous side, the victim of Israeli occupation. Unfortunately, that's *NOT* how it works. *There's no free lunch.* China will not help you for free. Why should China (or any other country) risk/sacrifice blood and treasure to help you? You must *offer something in return,* like promise China to act as their proxy in the region, open your market and economy to China, and grant Chinese corporations access to your natural resources.
@patrickhenry6695
@patrickhenry6695 Год назад
@@ihl0700677525 how is having Chinese investment worse than being bombed by Israel
@md.muzahidulislamsamrat8037
YEARS AGO I had a friendly discussion with Ariel Sharon. I told him: "I am first of all an Israeli. After that I am a Jew." He responded heatedly: "I am first of all a Jew, and only after that an Israeli!" That may look like an abstract debate. But in reality, this is the question that lies at the heart of all our basic problems. It is the core of the crisis which is now rending Israel apart. THE IMMEDIATE cause of this crisis is the law that was adopted in great haste last week by the rightist Knesset majority. It is entitled "Basic Law: Israel the Nation State of the Jewish People". This is a constitutional law. When Israel was founded during the war of 1948, it did not adopt a constitution. There was a problem with the Orthodox religious community, which made an agreed formula impossible. Instead David Ben-Gurion read out a "Declaration of Independence", which announced that "we are founding the Jewish State, namely the State of Israel". The declaration did not become law. The Supreme Court adopted its principles without a legal basis. The new document, however, is a binding law. So what is new about the new law, which at a first glance looks like a copy of the declaration? It contains two important omissions: the declaration spoke of a "Jewish and Democratic" state, and promised full equality between all its citizens, without regard to religion, ethnicity or sex. All this has disappeared. No democracy. No equality. A state of the Jews, for the Jews, by the Jews. THE FIRST to cry out were the Druze. The Druze are a small and close-knit minority. They send their sons to serve in the Israeli army and police and consider themselves "blood brothers". Suddenly they have been robbed of all their legal rights and sense of belonging. Are they Arabs or not? Muslims or not? That depends on who is speaking, where and what for. They threaten to demonstrate, to leave the army and generally rebel. Binyamin Netanyahu tries to bribe them, but they are a proud community. However, the Druze are not the main point. The new law completely ignores the 1.8 million Arabs who are Israeli citizens, including the Bedouin and Christians. (No one even thinks about the hundreds of thousands of European Christians, who immigrated with their Jewish spouses and other relatives, mainly from Russia.) The Arabic language with all its splendor, which until now was one of the two official languages, was demoted to a mere "special status", whatever that means. (All this applies to Israel proper, not to the 5 million or so Arabs in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip, who have no rights at all.) Netanyahu is defending this law like a lion against mounting criticism from within. He has publicly declared that all the Jewish critics of the law are leftists and traitors (synonyms), "who have forgotten what it is to be Jewish". AND THAT is really the point. Years ago, my friends and I asked the Supreme Court to change the "nationality" entry in our identity cards, from "Jewish" to “Israeli". The courts refused, stating that there is no Israeli nation. The official register recognizes almost a hundred nations, but not an Israeli one. This curious situation started with the birth of Zionism in the late 19th century. It was a Jewish movement, designed to solve the Jewish Question. The settlers in Palestine were Jewish. The whole project was closely connected with Jewish tradition. But once a second generation of settlers grew up, they felt uneasy about being just Jewish, like Jews in Brooklyn or Krakow. They felt that they were something new, different, special. The most extreme were a small group of young poets and artists, who in 1941 formed an organization nicknamed "the Canaanites", who proclaimed that we were a new nation, a Hebrew one. In their enthusiasm they went to extremes, declaring that we have nothing to do with Jews abroad, and that there was no Arab nation - Arabs were just Hebrews who had adopted Islam. Uri Avnery
@anotherbacklog
@anotherbacklog 8 месяцев назад
From the perspective of October 2023 after the conflict broke out, Professor’s analysis almost sounded like a hindsight explanation of why the conflict was inevitable. Hamas’s motivation and actions makes a lot more sense now.
@p.v.h1776
@p.v.h1776 Год назад
Maybe you can make a video about the geopolitics in the Middle-East? For example: The cold war between Iran and Saudi-Arabia, The situation in Syria and Iraq, or the civil war in Yemen. I'd love to hear your thoughts on those conflicts/situations.
@toby9999
@toby9999 Год назад
I suspect religious and tribal differences will be the greatest influencers in the long run.
@simplexajola8893
@simplexajola8893 Год назад
Mo Iranian or Saudi Arabia grabbing each other land
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Israeli born geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Arthur Koestler advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people originating in and populating an empire north of and between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.
@oiulti6900
@oiulti6900 Год назад
Middle East history was so easy until after ww2. You have some many old empires loosing influence in the 50s, to America, and then America being friends with Iran early in the relationship stage of Europe and America in the Middle East, to betray their friends and make deals that are rather more lucrative, and the fear of a United arab front - which lead to assassinations, and espionage to weaken the Arab world so America didn’t have any competition in its rise to power…. So much complexity in the last 40 years than ever before in Arabian history. The reality is…. Leave the Arabs alone, they’ve always knew what they are doing, and if they become super powers again, history has told us that it was always better for the world when Arabia was a super power. P.s. Israel and Palestine isn’t complex. Israel Zionists came from Europe and Soviet Russia, invading, massacred and displaced Palestinians. Even the British empire said this was a mistake - making a separate state from Palestine when they were occupying the land but left it in the air when they left.
@Sliman34
@Sliman34 Год назад
The move of the Palestinians to the ICJ reminds the move of Namibia against South Africa. This is the first precedent in term of international law. It would be legally interesting to deep-dive in this direction, both in term of jurisdiction and legal implications.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks. Great point! I’ve always wanted to do a video on Namibia. It is a fascinating, and extremely important, case.
@Sliman34
@Sliman34 Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay great ! Understanding both the legal and political implications of the ICJ ruling on Namibia will provide insights on the move of Palestine to the ICJ regardless the question of the legal nature of the rulings. And it gets even more complex if you would link it to the emerging reporting requirements on ESG imposed on companies and organizations that can no more do business with governments and companies that violate international law. To some extent it reminds the developments in Southern Africa after the Cold War!
@Chaneloweenz
@Chaneloweenz Год назад
False equivalence
@JUAN_OLIVIER
@JUAN_OLIVIER Год назад
The only thing that push South-Africa out of Namibia was mass sanctions from western countries. That is not going to happen with Israel, all of the major western economies are supporting Israel.
@markmh835
@markmh835 9 месяцев назад
​@@Chaneloweenz-- Why? Israel clearly has set up its own version of apartheid in the territories under its control.
@paramahansayogananda6719
@paramahansayogananda6719 Год назад
Amazing and informative talk, as usual. And I love the new setup! I think it’d be even better if the background wasn’t blurred. An insightful episode, a strong start to 2023. Thank you!
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Israeli born geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Arthur Koestler advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people originating in and populating an empire north of and between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.
@4Usuality
@4Usuality Год назад
Studio is looking better than ever, new camera as well maybe? Welcome back professor, another interesting thought provoking video!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Haha! Thanks. Both. Very well spotted. (I was really hoping someone would notice the camera. 🙂🙏🏻 I’m still try to get used to it, and a couple of settings were a bit off, but it is a huge step up from my old one.)
@4Usuality
@4Usuality Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay I am a journalist with a lot of camera and audio experience and of course much time spent in the recording booth, so I always love seeing audio and visual upgrades :) new equipment is a huge learning process but I think you've done well for your first video with the new camera! 👍
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Israel geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East.
@brianhall8588
@brianhall8588 Год назад
@Prof James I honestly applaud you for making this video about this topic. Especially when I see the internet comment brigade spewing all this hate and all these claims. I think what us missed in this whole argument is that the topic is about human rights. It’s not simply a argument of land ownership. There are life’s at stake. People are nixed and live in austere conditions. The fact that I grew up in several countries made me aware that it is important for journalists to simply report the factual details on a topic not to add or detract. Most news agencies or social media does not do that. They choose a bias, an political agenda. The strongest and highest bidder is usually in a more favorable position. I tip my hat to you good sir.
@toby9999
@toby9999 Год назад
I don't see a lot of hate, just mostly people taking sides. It's an extremely controversial topic with strong opinions and positions and no easy solution. Perhaps even no solution.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks so much Brian. I appreciate your kind words. It is certainly not an easy situation to address. (And this is only the second time I have approached it!) I can certainly see your point. I did stress that this was initiated by the UN's human rights committee, but I can see why it would have been worth making this point a little more strongly. The effects of the current situation are indeed being felt by millions of people. I guess that it is because my background is on state creation and ethno-territorial conflicts that I tend to focus a little more on these aspects of the situation. Ultimately though, I would argue that it comes down to sovereignty and self-determination - issues the judges will be expected to address. It will be fascinating to see what comes out of this case.
@brianhall8588
@brianhall8588 Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay I’m so sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that you are not telling the complete story. I was just adding how I myself felt about the importance of this conflict. You are excellent in your impartial assessment and reporting. Especially, when it’s rare to find news that are not biased. it is refreshing to just hear cold heart facts. I prefer to hear factual news and then form my own opinion rather than being spoon fed to follow any side. Currently, and probably for a long time main stream media has been used it’s power to manipulate people. As Uncle Ben said “With great power comes great responsibility". Biased and dishonest reporting has actively contributed to todays instability of MENA, South America, and Africa.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks Brian. No offence taken at all! I genuinely appreciated the point you made. And thanks for the really kind words about the channel. :-)
@ahmedbakr5834
@ahmedbakr5834 Год назад
The prof is taking sides, he is in the side of Israel, for example when he talked about the 92 peace agreement, he didn't mention the assasination of the Israeli PM by Israelies didn't want a peace with Palstinians, while in the same minute mention Palstinians terrorist attacks Now i may be wrong and I apologize in advance if i'm wrong, but my 32 years in this life teached me that every white man is Israeli supporter unless he aprove the opposite
@Dermaa
@Dermaa Год назад
"Even if the court argues that Israel has violated international law, the Israeli government will be under no obligate to act on the decision" what's even the point than? The case holding Moral weight means little to nothing for the Palestinians being push out and killed off of their own land.
@amnont8724
@amnont8724 Год назад
Israel still agreed to 2 state proposals in 2000 and 2008 but it was rather the Palestinian leadership that rejected those offers. You, and I, may disagree with the steps the current Israeli government is taking but the Palestinian governments are very far from innocent here.
@Dermaa
@Dermaa Год назад
@Amnon T I'll be honest, I don't know the fine details of those previous "2 state" proposals. For all I know they could've been extremely fair or they could've been a terrible deal for Palestine, but I don't think that would justify any international laws being broken. I think it's worth acknowledging that Israel is currently a lot more powerful technologically, financially and politically than Palestine. In my opinion, that imbalance means Israel should be expected to be more responsible than Palestine. If an investigation reveals that Israel has broken international law, then they should be shunned just as the US was for their actions in Vietnam and Russia currently is for their actions in Ukraine.
@amnont8724
@amnont8724 Год назад
@@Dermaa I disagree, even if one country is more powerful than the other it isn't an excuse for the other to violate international law multiple times, and commit immoral crimes as well. You can't just say because Israel is stronger we should ignore the context that lead to something wrong, you have to look at the whole picture in my opinion.
@Dermaa
@Dermaa Год назад
@Amnon T oh, wait a second there. I don't think a weaker, but equally aggressive nation shouldn't be held responsible in any way, I think the stronger country should be held to a higher standard because the advantages they have. If we're going to look at the whole picture, then I wouldn't blame either nation, I would blame Britain for sending the people that were displaced by Germany's terrible actions to Palestine and starting things off by having the people of Palestine and the Jewish people be needlessly segregated.
@tinalocklear9496
@tinalocklear9496 Год назад
I absolutely love how you describe these facts. As a person with autism I really appreciate how you stick to the facts. It's so engaging. Thank you! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much Tina. That really and truly means a lot to me. With all my very best wishes, James.
@marilynlucero9363
@marilynlucero9363 Год назад
Same applies to me (PDD NOS) James is very clear and doesn't go off the rails. Helps a lot with understanding these topics.
@amantedabahia
@amantedabahia Год назад
Great and informative video, I welcome the esthetic changes and hoping for an excellent new year for you and the community. Hoping that as soon as possible, this issue (war) will finally be settled and peace prevails in Palestine and Israel. Cheers from Brazil.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much Lucas! I’m so pleased you liked the changes. Happy New Year and all my very best wishes for 2023 from London.
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Israeli born geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Arthur Koestler advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people originating in and populating an empire north of and between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.
@r.a.8582
@r.a.8582 Год назад
As a palestinian, i think that by now, the only viable option is to annex palestine, and give us the right to vote as equal citizens!
@live_free_or_perish
@live_free_or_perish Год назад
That is the point nobody seems to understand. Israel must do as you suggest or let Palestine become a state. Democracy matters. Equal treatment under the law matters. I firmly support Isreal's right to exist, but they can't have it both ways. It has to be one or the other.
@niro6492
@niro6492 Год назад
As an arab*
@niro6492
@niro6492 Год назад
Give you righting vote so you could take over from within? And demographically win over the Jews. No thanks.
@live_free_or_perish
@live_free_or_perish Год назад
@@niro6492 what are you saying? I'm missing your point
@niro6492
@niro6492 Год назад
@@live_free_or_perish I'm saying this jihadi wants to be able to vote to change the country from within the political sphere. By mass voting the arabs and leftists. And demographically changing the state into the favor of the arabs/muslims.
@joeshmoe8345
@joeshmoe8345 Год назад
Thanks for sharing this with us boss, interesting video.
@mzterzi
@mzterzi Год назад
Thank you for this great content.
@stephen3632
@stephen3632 Год назад
Hello James, I have a request but I'm not sure if it would qualify. I've recently been reading a few works about Lee Kuan Yew and I found the merger with Malaysia a very interesting topic. For example, Lee's claim to Singaporean people that the breakup of the merger was a case of Singapore being kicked out, rather than the mutual agreement it actually was. In his work on Lee Michael D Barr argued that this was essentially a way for Lee to create an external pressure that would act as an incentive on building the new state and identity within the population, like a siege mentality type thing. Thought this might be of interest in statecraft, but I understand that this is more historical so may not be best for the channel. Cheers.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks Stephen. I’ve actually already looked at the union and then split between Malaysia and Singapore. You’re absolutely right, it’s a fascinating topic. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8PJ9JTod9X0.html (I do want to do more occasional historical videos.)
@stephen3632
@stephen3632 Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay oh whoops my bad. Laziness on my part. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction !
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
No problem. With almost 170 videos in the collection now (!) it’s not surprising that you didn’t see it. :-) But thanks again for such a great suggestion. I hope you find it interesting.
@heartofpuregold
@heartofpuregold Год назад
Very good channel learned a lot thank you
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much!
@heartofpuregold
@heartofpuregold Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay welcome
@jepismadi1875
@jepismadi1875 5 месяцев назад
Then comes the 7th October 2023... Thank you Prof for partly explaining why it happened #freepalestine 🇵🇸
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Arthur Koestler advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people originating in and populating an empire north of and between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.
@FredoRockwell
@FredoRockwell Год назад
Fantastic analysis as always! With everything going on elsewhere it's so easy to lose focus on this conflict. It would be wonderful for a judgement to result in meaningful progress. I doubt that will be likely in the short term, but at least there will be more scrutiny. Thanks again!
@DemPilafian
@DemPilafian Год назад
Iran's religious leaders are trying to use Palestinians to "push" Israel off the map. Take Iran out of the picture and a two-state solution becomes possible. Palestinians need their own country.
@aaronkindi552
@aaronkindi552 Год назад
Is there even a way to fix this quagmire. I don't fully understand the complex situation, but i would like to know what could be done for a peaceful resolution that both parties can agree on
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks Aaron. This is the question that many are now asking. There have been alternative models put forward in recent years. Some have discussed a federal model. Many Palestinians have started saying that they would accept full democracy within Israel, knowing the the demographic balance will shift in their favour. Meanwhile, this presents Israel with a problem. If it has effectively annexed the West Bank, and the Court rules as much, then Israel's failure to integrate the Palestinians and give them proper political right will effectively leave it in an Apartheid situation. There would be a whole class of people living in the state with no homeland of their own, but without any right of self-determination. This is why the case could be very important.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Can’t say that I appreciate that threatening tone!
@someonesomewhere6316
@someonesomewhere6316 Год назад
That's informative, thank you for sharing.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you!
@salilbhatnagar
@salilbhatnagar Год назад
Great video Professor!
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much.
@nabilalhami1681
@nabilalhami1681 Год назад
Well, new camera and studio setup for new year. And there's the fact that you have a sponsored video now, which I never saw earlier. Anyways, happy new year.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
And a very Happy New Year to you too! Thanks. Yes, I upgraded the camera and redid my office! I hope you like it. :-) And the support from World Politics Review is a great boost for the channel.
@PelegHaba
@PelegHaba Год назад
You're explanations is mostly accurate but how can you see the UN as an objective establishment? In the UN human rights council you have countries like Syria and China...if you combine the UN resolutions against all the countries in the world you still have to double it to get to the amount of resolutions against israel.
@kennedybutiko7651
@kennedybutiko7651 Год назад
In 1947 when UN granted Jews and Arabs opportunity to create a state, Palestinians REFUSED, while Jews took the chance to declare independence. History tells us there was King David who ruled over a nation called Israel with its undivided capital Jerusalem. There was never anywhere near there a state called Palestine so when nations of the world is possessed with the word OCCUPATION like fashion it baffles me.
@joaquingonzalez5095
@joaquingonzalez5095 Год назад
Sir, King David is 3000 years old
@kennedybutiko7651
@kennedybutiko7651 Год назад
@@joaquingonzalez5095 🤔 don't understand you sir...
@FreedomisFree26
@FreedomisFree26 Год назад
What does that have to do with today?? There are millions of people suffering from this brutal reality
@maginot2u
@maginot2u Год назад
By using RU-vid Auto Translate, you can read sub titles for this presentation in many languages. A viewer asked for Spanish sub titles. The RU-vid Video "Auto Translate RU-vid Videos into Your Language" shows how to do this.
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Israel geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East
@hexhex7220
@hexhex7220 Год назад
Commend you on such a well made video.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you very much!
@catalinmarius3985
@catalinmarius3985 Год назад
James, I support Israel but I have no connection with the Jewish people, I merely support them because I think morally they are in the right. Often the "original owner" argument is made, well, didn't the Jews exist in Palestine since 1.000 BC while the Palestinians came in 700 AD after the Muslim Conquest? Then there's also the "stolen land" argument, didn't the Jews return to the land that was originally theirs that they were forced out of? And then there's the war argument: Didn't the Jews accept the 50/50 partition in 1947 while the Palestinians attacked the Jews? And didn't later the Arab world started 3 more wars to exterminate Israel (The Six-Days war was a pre-emptive strike, let's be real, why would Egypt, Syria and Jordan mass troops on Israel's border at the same time) and Israel won. It's not the first nor the last country to win war through conquest, and given that Israel was the defender in all those wars and the Arabs attacked (+ original owner) I find the "Palestinians are in the right" argument very difficult. I'm not talking about the humanitarian side of the conflict with innocent people dead, but strictly legally and morally as far as states are concerned, I don't see any compelling argument for why Palestine is in the right.
@bogumilaskowron2680
@bogumilaskowron2680 Год назад
Immigrants from eu and usa are not indigenous .Palestinian people are.Israel has not right throw people who live there 1400 years and steal their homes
@catalinmarius3985
@catalinmarius3985 Год назад
@@bogumilaskowron2680 Were the jews who came back not the descendents of the original jews who left?
@stevenbaksh5545
@stevenbaksh5545 Год назад
The Jews who were there before 1910 have a right to be there but the rest who came after were brought there by the British and other European powers after WW1.
@bogumilaskowron2680
@bogumilaskowron2680 Год назад
@@stevenbaksh5545 Yes Jews who were there before 1910 have right live there with Palestinians who lived there 1400 years.But people from Ukraine ,Russland and others countries who come to Palestine now what right they have steal Palestinian homes and land?
@stevenbaksh5545
@stevenbaksh5545 Год назад
@@bogumilaskowron2680 yea they have no right to steal Palestinian land I think for the USSR case they wanted to get rid of it's Jewish population
@peterkops6431
@peterkops6431 Год назад
Thanks Prof. Excellent as always 👍🏻👍🏻
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much Peter. I hope all is well at your end.
@robinburgett1947
@robinburgett1947 Год назад
Prof James-Lindsay A happy New Year To You and Yours also thank you for the survey highley appreciated I would like too have more surveys in the future it would be great too be reanbursed for them but if not I appreciate your time and will continue to do the very best to give my ideas or answers honest to the best of my knowledge a (the 9th grade education has proes and cons Thank You again have a blessed Years sincerely Robin Burgett
@MatzahbBaller
@MatzahbBaller Год назад
I understand your decision to start in 1947. As you noted, it is highly complicated and requires selecting some starting pint. But I think for the same reasons (I suspect) you chose 1947, it would be highly useful for your viewers to have started in 1920 with San Remo briefly to include delineation of (1) the area under discussion as a coherent area and (2) as part of that process, delineation from Transjordan.
@toby9999
@toby9999 Год назад
I would start at around 1000BC with Jewish cultural roots and then consider how the Jewish peoples were persecuted for the best part of the subsequent 3000 years. They have no other territory to call their own. Similarly NZ Maori and the Australia first peoples. America and Canada have similar indigenous folk.
@littledorrit6819
@littledorrit6819 Год назад
@@toby9999 Why 1000? This region was inhabitated by Canaanite tribes. Historians don't know where Hebrews came from, but not even the Hebrew Bible suggests Hebrews were indigenous there, or at least Abraham, if he ever existed at all, was from Ur in present-day southern Iraq.
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
@Danny Al Israel geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East.
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
@Danny Al Arthur Koestler advances the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a Turkic people originating in and populating an empire north of and between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.
@cristinaturtoi4875
@cristinaturtoi4875 Год назад
@@bumingokturk7870 Of course, Idish is a Turkic language.
@LuisRomeroLopez
@LuisRomeroLopez Год назад
There's something called the Israel's trilemma that summarize the problem. It goes like this: Israel aspire to three things: *1)* Be a Jewish state, *2)* be a modern democracy, and *3)* and to have security guarantees over the possible attacks from the West Bank. The thing is that only can has 2 of 3 at any momment: If it keeps the West Bank for security reasons, it can be a democracy granting equal rights to arabs, but risking the integrity as a state with jewish identity *(Ony 3 and 2).* If it keeps the West Bank and wants to stay as a Jewsish state, it most likely wouldnt be a modern democracy. *(Only 3 and 1)* It could be a democracy and keep the population identity of a Jewish State *(1 and 2),* but this will be easier by giving up any pretension over the West Bank.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks so much Luis. I think you sum up the situation perfectly. I know that many Israelis understand that trying to pursue all three will only weaken the country and that it risks becoming a fully apartheid state if it continues. It is interesting that many Palestinians are now calling for full political rights, knowing that demography is on their side.
@LuisRomeroLopez
@LuisRomeroLopez Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay Yes. I also remember an interview that I saw years ago (more than 10) with a lawyer or member of the Palestinian government, who openly hoped that if the situation escalated, Israel would a least annex the entire West Bank quickly, ssince this would lead it to either conceding full rights to Arabs or have an untenable economic, military and political situation (the latter internally and with Western allies).
@TheLocalLt
@TheLocalLt Год назад
It’s such a complicated issue as we know and I don’t want to get into the specific issues at play, the UNGA decision is interesting, as will be the court proceeding, but as you indicated in reality they are little more than theater. In any case the UNGA has a long anti-Western streak, the Arab monarchies teaming with Israel on economic ventures and on fighting Iran and its proxies seem to point to the way the tide is shifting. From my layman’s perspective, it seems that the Palestinians, ever since the Hamas takeover of Gaza, are increasingly viewed by many of their former supporters as a lost cause, and Fatah likewise viewed as powerless. I’m not sure where it goes from here but definitely agree with your assessment that a two-state solution is looking increasingly unlikely. Thanks for the video professor!
@redjacc7581
@redjacc7581 Год назад
Happy new Year Prof JKL
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you very much indeed. And a very Happy New Year to you too!
@narekpoghosian4506
@narekpoghosian4506 Год назад
Dear Prof how democratic is palestine really? one of the most interesting aspects of de facto republics are elections and how free they are in these countries because most de facto republics are meant to make a people more free. There are therefore more democratic de facto republics (such as Artsakh) and less democratic republics (such as South Ossetia). Have studies been carried out on how satisfied the population is with the government in some de facto republics? thanks for reading and hopefully you can answer my questions.
@starfthegreat
@starfthegreat Год назад
Palestine hasn't had elections since 2006, as Hamas victory was neither accepted by the rulling Fatah party or by the Israelis. Palestinian politics have been frozen since then, with both Hamas and Fatah rulling in an authoritarian way the small territories they supposedly control. On top of that, the Israeli army regularly arrests and often kills Palestinians who stand up to the occupation. So Palestine today is very far from a democracy
@MotiMota15
@MotiMota15 Год назад
In the West Bank it seems Mahmoud Abbas postpones elections for many reasons, I would say it is advised to him by the Shin Bet (Israel's security service) as it will probably end in a Hamas win and we've seen during 2007 when Hamas took over the Gaza strip, it ended with Fatah (Abbas' party) members thrown off rooftops. Israel's gonna have a problem once Abbas passes away, as Fatah seems to be weaker with the youths, while Hamas speaks to their nationalism and just wants to take over the West Bank...
@MotiMota15
@MotiMota15 Год назад
Sorry if what i wrote was unclear, im drunk🥴
@bongoman9578
@bongoman9578 Год назад
At the moment not very democratic. After the last elections in 2007 the leading parties (Hamas and Fatah) refuse to work together and have confined themselves to their own separate territories (Gaza and the west bank). Elections were due to take place last year but were put on indefinite hold by the President (probably thought he might lose)
@kredo_i
@kredo_i Год назад
@@MotiMota15 lol
@VladTevez
@VladTevez Год назад
Happy new year professor! Do you believe that any verdict concerning the settlers, will have legal ramifications for the settlers in Cyprus? I recall an article of the Jerusalem Post, dated February 9, 2020, in which International Criminal Court is accused of double standards, concerning the settlers in the West Bank, and occupied Cyprus.
@EwertonBarroso
@EwertonBarroso Год назад
Great content professor. Maybe adopting a narration that sounds less like an article would make attract more followers from a wider background.
@sulaymankindi
@sulaymankindi Год назад
Where else in the world does the issue de facto annexation arise?
@54032Zepol
@54032Zepol Год назад
Israel is like I hear the international grievances and we looked into and found no wrong doing.
@amnont8724
@amnont8724 Год назад
Yeah but Israel is supposedly "on the wrong" because Palestine is doing a ton of things wrongly
@rizkyadiyanto7922
@rizkyadiyanto7922 Год назад
what do you mean no wrong doing? people has died over this.
@MCTogs
@MCTogs Год назад
"We have investigated ourselves and found that we are innocent"
@DemPilafian
@DemPilafian Год назад
Whatever you do, do not mention *_”From the River to the Sea"_* and terrorism. Iran's hate spewing religious leaders will continue to love you.
@cosimodirondo972
@cosimodirondo972 Год назад
@James Lopez After World War l, the Principal Allied Powers (UK, France, Italy, US, Japan) took possession of the territories of the defeated Ottoman Turks, who had occupied Israel* for four hundred years (1516-1917). As victors in said war, they had the power of dispossession and disposition; their decision at San Remo in 1920 to reserve the land in question for the Jewish People in recognition of their connection to their ancestral homeland was confirmed by the League of Nations (the United Nations predecessor) in 1922, and it is still in force per the United Nations' Charter, Article 80. This was the beginning when the Jewish People's right to all the land west of the Jordan River was established in international law. *The king of Moab (present-day Jordan) mentions Israel in the 9th Century BCE Mesha Stele. Israel precedes Palestine. The name of the land is Israel.
@Naveen-tq7cg
@Naveen-tq7cg Год назад
As always, great analysis professor! This is a very complex issue, and the ICJ now faces the daunting task of what to do over the west bank settlements.
@patrickbuchler686
@patrickbuchler686 Год назад
It is not so complex as they want us to believe. The Israeli government confiscates land, water and other natural reasources, puts the Palestinian population under an brutal military rule, applies defacto Apartheid laws. The resistance by Hamas, Farah and other militants are a symptom not the cause. Peacefull activism is not allowed in the occupied territories. The world needs to put sanctions on Israel so they feel the consequences of their ethno- nationalistic politics. We did it with Serbia or South Africa. Times up especially now they have a facist goverment elected and the masks have finally fallen down.
@DK4Private
@DK4Private Год назад
I don't think its complex at all. It's rather obvious as to what is going on. Sadly.
@DemPilafian
@DemPilafian Год назад
@@DK4Private Are you referring to *_”From the River to the Sea"_* ideology?
@Dihorse371
@Dihorse371 Год назад
ICJ is crippled by US, blocking new judges and threatening existing one.
@DemPilafian
@DemPilafian Год назад
@@Dihorse371 Are you also interested in stopping terrorism? How much of a priority is that for you?
@mmjj2534
@mmjj2534 Год назад
People don’t realize how tiny is this disputed territory. Israel without West Bank is a 16km wide country that can’t be defended. And with 9 million of citizens today Israel has not enough space to reduce its territory. And why should they? They were attacked and they won the wars.
@Ajibolaa
@Ajibolaa Год назад
I find it ironic Ukraine didn’t vote in favour considering they are being invaded as we speak, and also I find it fascinating that the ex Soviet countries voted along religious lines.
@MikeTSager
@MikeTSager Год назад
You refer to the 67 line as a border although it is not a border between countries. Also I see you talking about Palestine although technically it is the Palestinian authority. And the presentation does not explain that there are legal ground for israel occupation going back to the League of Nations whose resolutions the UN took over.
@bumingokturk7870
@bumingokturk7870 Год назад
Israeli born geneticist Dr. According to Eran Elhaik's latest genetic research, today's Israelis are descended from the Khazar Turks, not from the Middle East
@zacharym4592
@zacharym4592 Год назад
@@bumingokturk7870 that's because many Jews are russians and many russian Jews are Khazar converts. Ethiopian Jews have 0 turkic blood in them.
@sandrad9695
@sandrad9695 Год назад
@@bumingokturk7870 I’m not sure how genetics are relevant to the situation.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson Год назад
Great video! I'm glad I found this channel last month. This is one of the most complicated issues and this did a great job of explaining the situation and the background. On one hand, the Jewish Israelis have been under attack by it's neighbors. But on the other hand, there was some movements towards peace in the 90's and 00's which were derailed by a number of actions -- the assassination of the PM in 1995 by far right winger and the settlements expanding into Palestine. This of course caused more backlash from Palestinians and terrorist attacks picked up. Israel responded with more force, walling off much of Palestine, and increased settlements. The issue I see more recently is that West Bank has progressed since the 2000's. Terrorist attacks minimized, more moderate politicians, etc. They made all the right moves towards peace. How did Israel respond? Continued settlements and more human rights abuses. Israel is showing they will no longer consider actual peace. Then you have Gaza Strip. They run by what many consider a terrorist organization that is still using terrorist attacks on Israel. While the West Bank government and people have seemed to do all the right things to increase cooperation with Israel (if Israel ever cared), the Gaza is doing all the wrong things and there are some justifications for some of Israel's actions in Gaza. The fact that there are three players involved and not two is certainly complicating the situation even more. It's clear that the increasing settlements in the west bank are an attempt by Israel to eventually consume all of the west bank. Annexation little by little. So long as Israel continues to built settlements and so long as Hamas is in control of Gaza, there is no chance for any peaceful resolution. In regards to the UN resolution, it's a mixed bag. There are some I expected on one side or the other but rest are just a mix bag. It's interesting to see Russia and China vote in favor of it while they are both committing terrible human rights abuses -- one with even more severe treatment of Muslims and the other with war crimes in Ukraine. Maybe they are hoping to deflect on their human rights abuses but I would have thought they would have abstained.
@noname-qk2ut
@noname-qk2ut Год назад
Israel are worried that if west bank gets independence, Palestinians will vote Hamas,like they did in Gaza, which means increased terrorist attacks on Israel since hamas don't want peace
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson Год назад
@@noname-qk2ut West Bank has voted against Hamas. The settlements just mean that West Bank will never trust Israel so blaming West Bank in such a scenario is like blaming Ukraine for Russian invading. If Israel wanted peace, they could work to a solution at least with the West Bank. Maybe some gradual steps and both sides gain trust of the other side.
@joaquingonzalez5095
@joaquingonzalez5095 Год назад
what is complex about a state coming into existence through colonization? Israeli actions are illegal, there is nothing complex about it
@noname-qk2ut
@noname-qk2ut Год назад
@@Homer-OJ-Simpson it depends if Palestine Will be a secular republic where Israeli have the same rights as Palestinians,like in Israel arabs have representation in the Knesset and they have all rights like Israelis then sure they can be independent
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson Год назад
@@noname-qk2ut yes, that’s why I said it would need to be a slow process of building trust. It would have to come a secular constitution ensuring the rights of non Muslims while also building up trust among the two. I 100% agree on that part. But it won’t ever happen so long as Israel Keeps building settlements. There is no reason West Bank should trust Israel while those settlements exists.
@davidpkwy5068
@davidpkwy5068 Год назад
When you refer to international laws do you mean SAN REMO Conference Resolution or League of Nations Resolution ? All those resolutions were violated by Arabs states. The fair and just treatment of the UN and international organizations to Israel in particular and Jews in general will never ever be applied -this is an axiom.
@RS-uh7rz
@RS-uh7rz Год назад
An excellent, unusually evenhanded, presentation. However, while Prof. K-L mentions the W.Bank security barrier, and the international disapproval it's received, he doesn't mention why it was built. Why, after 53 years with no Green Line barrier, did Israel suddenly decide to build it?
@mombasatimmy9211
@mombasatimmy9211 Год назад
Very good analysis thank you - question for another video - was Britain’s occupation of Palestine under the terms of a League of Nations mandate properly to be described as colonial control?
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Great question! You're right. Formally, it wasn't. But in reality I think it would be fair to say that it was.
@niro6492
@niro6492 Год назад
What about the ottomans? Wheere were these so called Palestinians then?
@Sliman34
@Sliman34 Год назад
In addition to the annexation of the Golan Hights, Israel also annexed Eastern Jerusalem by adopting the Jerusalem act in the 1980th.
@joegodwin8116
@joegodwin8116 Год назад
Nice background!
@tatradak
@tatradak Год назад
James love the colours you are using....
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks so much! Really great to hear. :-)
@tatradak
@tatradak Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay 👍, just got word Ingushetia has declared independence!! Not sure how this is going to work? Does it have an army to defend it self from a few thousand Russian troops.. Any hoo they have declared the war on Ukraine illegal etc etc...
@moemeyer374
@moemeyer374 Год назад
There is no right of Israel or palestian. There is only the right of strongest. And Israel is stronger and can do what ever they want. And USA supporting this Israel colonial politic.
@narekpoghosian4506
@narekpoghosian4506 Год назад
Dear Professor what is your view on the closure of the lachin corridor by Azerbaijani so called ‘activists’ and what do you think should be done by the international community to prevent a potential new war and to provide the inhabitants with food and medicine.
@isaYILDIZ.
@isaYILDIZ. Год назад
Koridordan yiyecek içecek yerine silah taşındığını biliyoruz
@existentialvoid
@existentialvoid Год назад
Two state solution can only work when both states want a solution. Both Israel and Palistine are not interested in this process.
@JohnDoe-wg9oh
@JohnDoe-wg9oh Год назад
Given experience with occupation, one would expect Cyprus to be anything but neutral in this matter. Yet, it appears to be. Why?
@ShmuelMe
@ShmuelMe Год назад
I’m an Israeli history student. I want a Palestinian state. I also know everything there is to know about Middle East history. Ask me anything
@ShmuelMe
@ShmuelMe Год назад
@@Remake5182 I’m a leftist, I actually want a Palestinian state to exist, but I also don’t want people to go around saying things about my country that aren’t true
@Cookie-io1ri
@Cookie-io1ri Год назад
Hello Sir, I have a question for you, with respect I promise. What are the political groups in Israel that really want two states ? What is the opinion of the Israel population about the violence of the army against the population ? What does the new generation think about this conflict ? And a more difficult question, what are the common values or similar aspects beteween jews and arabs that can reunite them ? Thank you very much for your response!
@ShmuelMe
@ShmuelMe Год назад
@@Cookie-io1ri Israeli politics is divided into two categories: Security and Economy. The economy is very capitalist and doing pretty well, so most parties ignore it because the security is more important. In security, the far-right, who are now in power, want to hold (or actually annex) all the land in the West Bank, and the center and left want to create a Palestinian state.
@Dermaa
@Dermaa Год назад
Realistically, do you think there's a way for a Palestinian state to exist? If yes, do you think they'd exist without being harassed by Israeli military forces?
@ShmuelMe
@ShmuelMe Год назад
The main problem that in my opinion is keeping this conflict alive is the leaders of the Palestinian authorities. They are corrupt and incompetent, and the territory they control is infested with organized crime(Palestinians shooting Palestinians in Palestinian Territories!), that they are powerless to stop. They also have a direct interest in a Palestinian state not being created - currently, the leaders of the Palestinian authority use Israel and “not having a country” as a cover for all their problems. If Palestine ever become a country, they would have to face all their problems, and they will stop receiving aid money to help the Palestinian cause.
@live_free_or_perish
@live_free_or_perish Год назад
Sadly, Israel has lost the moral high ground with this new government. The religious right has taken over, and if they stay in power, it will be the end of Israel. And I say that as someone who firmly supported Israel in the past.
@todoesoqueellosdicen2868
@todoesoqueellosdicen2868 Год назад
Subtitulos en español por favor.
@aiyubpatel9165
@aiyubpatel9165 Год назад
Professor, please can you tell me if the majority of the UN members have told Israel to not carry on with the majority of its actions. Why does the US, UK and most of the more influential members of the UN arm, train, finance and support Israel. If it is a question of faith. Then what kind of moral reality do these communities have?. One does not hesitate to be extremely disappointed that we the Muslims in the world look on and ask if this is just a game which keeps being played to have rules which are made and broken to aid the progress of the Israel project. Some doing for geopolitical reasons. Some of those involved doing it for faith reasons. All the while many innocent men, women and children continue suffering daily for the last 100 years.
@pwp8737
@pwp8737 Год назад
When Israel was formed and the wars ended Arab nations expelled over 700,000 jews from their territory. Israel took them in, gave them citizenship and worked to integrate them into its society. Why is it that Arab nations did not do the same with the expelled Arabs? They forced them into concentration camps, refused them citizenship, denied them employment in many fields. They created a festering sore instead of helping out their brother arabs. You speak of morality; where is the morality of that? Other peoples have faced expulsions and ethnic cleansing, ie: Greeks from Anatolia, Germans from Sudetenland and eastern Europe yet the mother country opened up its borders, took them in and integrated those refugees. Ask yourself why Arabs refused.
@cosimodirondo972
@cosimodirondo972 Год назад
When was there an Palestine state? The last Muslims to occupy Israel* were the Ottoman Turks (1516-1917), who, btw, never called the land "Palestine"; The Muslims now suing for the land are Arabs. From the time of the Tulunids to the end of Ottoman power in Israel (878-1917), the Turks, and not the Arabs, were the principal foreign rulers of Israel under one dynasty or another, even though during this millennium and more, power also resided in the hands of non-Turkish rulers, ranging from the North African Fatimids, the chiefly French Catholic Crusaders, the Kurdish Ayyubids and the Circassian Mamluks. Know that "Palestinian" as a noun is nonexistent in ancient literature. In the main, Arabs only began calling themselves "Palestinians" in the 1960s for political expediency. Let's look at some United Nations resolutions and how they addressed the Arabs to bring home this point: United Nation Resolution 181 (Partition Resolution) of 1947 never refers to the Arabs as "Palestinians," but simply as "Arabs." As late as 1968, U.N. General Assembly Resolution 2443 refers to the Arabs as 'inhabitants,' 'the population,' or 'the Arab civilian population.' Not once does it use the term "Palestinians." *The king of Moab (present-day Jordan) mentions Israel in the 9th Cen. BCE Mesha Stele. Israel precedes Palestine. The name of the land is Israel.
@jamalakinade8175
@jamalakinade8175 Год назад
Man ppl like u are literally allowed to be on the internet to rewrite history 🙄
@niro6492
@niro6492 Год назад
💯💯
@vairoalexnder
@vairoalexnder Год назад
its never been a Muslim occupation, Arabs took the lands from byzantine, Arabs are Semites and they belong to the region, the occupation is related to a foreign force
@cosimodirondo972
@cosimodirondo972 Год назад
@@vairoalexnder Almut Nebel's 2001 study, "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East" found that, '[T]he Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouins represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the ARABIAN PENINSULA [emphasis mine], as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed in Palestinians and Bedouins.'
@smk1795
@smk1795 Год назад
Video Ignores several aspects and nuances. 1. UN plan was never a binding resolution, Palestinians were not obliged to accept it. UN plan in large part was unjust to Palestinians, it gave half of the land for Jewish state, even though Jews owned only around 7% of total land. 2. Arab armies launched war on Israel, because Jewish militia was ethinically cleansing Palestinians. 3.Israel never left Gaza, it merely lifted its ground presence, while continuing to occupy Gaza strip externally.
@ren2871
@ren2871 Год назад
False and you're spreading blatant disinformation. You equate "ownership of land" with "living on the land". You give the Palestinians a presumption that they had a state or were a nation with control of their borders, with a government and immigration policy. They weren't a county. The Zionists bought up 8% of all lands from farmers but Jews already lived in the North for centuries and through migratory loopholes set by the Ottomans who for 300 years had denied Jewish migration to the land, Jews settled in villages and Jerusalem where Jews had already lived. The Palestinians didn't own anything. A lot of land in Jerusalem is still owned by various christian churches. The Ottoman census of 1865 found that Jerusalem had a Jewish majority of 55%. Second, out of the 10% of Palestine that Israel would receive in the partition plan (80% was given to Transjordan by the Brits), almost 55% of it was the Negev desert which was empty and barren and had more bedouins than it had "Palestinians". Then your fallacy ignores the fact that nearly 150k Arabs moved to Palestine, after the Zionists already established themselves there, for economic opportunities provided by the Zionists. Then you also ignore the fact that only a few decades before European Jews started to settle in Palestine, thousands of Egyptians moved to Palestine after Egypt occupied the Levant from the Ottomans in the 2nd Egyptian-Ottoman war. You're acting as if the Arabs themselves didn't settle throughout various periods of Ottoman and British occupation of the land. Then you purposely left out the fact that the Arabs started to revolt first and were the first to burn down Jewish villages. The Jews retaliated. The "ethnic cleansing" argument is a false one and it wouldn't have even been the cause for the 1948 war of independence. The Arab league launched a war to kick out the Jews from the land. It had nothing to do with "ethnic cleansing". Then you falsely also state that the " Palestinians were not obliged to accept the partition plan", leaving out the fact they didn't even choose, the Arab league chose for them because Palestine was not a nation or a people. It was an Arab league invention to counter the Jewish claim to the lands. Just like the Arab league created the PLO. Finally Israel did leave Gaza. What are you talking about? They pulled out all Israeli civilians from there. Israel left in the PLO's hands a Gaza that had 5 star hotels, resorts, up scale restaurants, world class hospitals, farms, greenhouses that Israel built up and developed. Within days of pulling out, the PLO started to launch rockets onto Israel. Israel and Egypt have a blockade on Gaza because of Hamas. Israel is not in Gaza.
@smk1795
@smk1795 Год назад
@@ren2871 Oh well according to you Palestinians who lived on that land for generations had no right to the land because they dint have a state with recognized borders, isnt that same colonial premise used by Colonialists elsewhere to strip land from natives?. I wanted to further debunk your argument, but than I saw you using word Palestinian in scare quotes, that basically a cheap Zionist way of denying Identity of Palestinians.
@roberthoyt7921
@roberthoyt7921 Год назад
I'm really afraid that the senseless violence between Israelis and Palestinians will turn for the very worst.
@ismaciilcabdillahiyuusuf2650
The World with peace, unity and love,, watching from berbera somaliland rep,,, thanks all info news
@tiredox3788
@tiredox3788 Год назад
I heard about some people talking about Israel and Palestine should be switched to a federal government.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks. Yes. You’re absolutely right. This is becoming a big issue. I’ll try to look at it in another video.
@heinricusblasius7917
@heinricusblasius7917 Год назад
I feel the one state (federal) solution is the pretty much only option on the table left. Extremely difficult to take forward, but definitely better than the actual limbo
@markdowding5737
@markdowding5737 Год назад
Israel will never accept that as long as Hamas is in power in the Gaza strip. I also doubt Hamas would change its maximalist position towards Israel.
@eugenegvozdetsky2673
@eugenegvozdetsky2673 Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay But a federal government between Israel and Palestine is only possible if it would exclude Gaza. Then I believe it could be realistic
@MotiMota15
@MotiMota15 Год назад
There are some folks who think it should be some kind of a confederation from what I've seen, but have you heard about the Palestinian Emirates plan? An interesting take on the conflict IMO
@user-tt2ye8fv3m
@user-tt2ye8fv3m Год назад
Hey James! There's one thing that you didn't mention that is essential to the legal debate - The term 'occupation' implies that the land in question was ruled by a sovereign political entity who has now been occupied. There has never been a Palestinian state. In '67, Israel won the land from Jordan during a war, Jordan took the land in '48 during the Arab-Israel War, but the previous rulers were the British empire. Before them, the land was part of the Ottoman empire. Actually, the most recent local government was the Hasmonian dynasty. So the term 'occupation' is misleading at best.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thanks. While we do tend to think of occupation in terms of sovereign states, there is no reason why it shouldn't apply to colonial territories that have been deprived of their right of self-determination. In fact, there are several very prominent examples where this has already been the case. Many (myself included) would regard Western Sahara as occupied, even though it wasn't a state before Morocco invaded. And everyone agreed that East Timor was occupied by Indonesia, even though it wasn't a state when it was invaded and occupied.
@sandrad9695
@sandrad9695 Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsayThis is the first time I’ve come across one of your videos and I have really enjoyed it. I’m curious about your opinion that Israel is occupying the West Bank. The other side of the argument is that Jordan was the occupier until 1967 when Israel took possession of the entirety of the territory that lies within the international borders previously set by the Mandate. After WW 1, the West Bank has only ever legally lain within the pre-determined international borders of Israel or the Mandate for Palestine. I know that Jordan claimed the territory during and after Israel’s war for independence, but Jordan’s borders that were set at the San Remo conference, if I remember correctly, were always to the east of the Jordan River. When they declared war on the newly created Israel, they ended up *occupying* the West Bank territories. This seems to be to be a violation of the Geneva Convention of claiming territory in a war of aggression, something people often accuse Israel of doing in 1967, which was a defensive war with Jordan on Israel’s part. But never was the West Bank a “Palestinian” state. I think many young people new to the conflict don’t know this. This has always been my understanding of the situation, but of course I’m open to learning more. It’s definitely a tense situation and difficult for all sides. I hope they can determine a way to live in peace together but I lost a lot of hope for this when Hamas took over in Gaza after Israel withdrew. But we can always hope!
@oiulti6900
@oiulti6900 Год назад
@@sandrad9695 if you really want to fully comprehend the whole entire nuance of the conflict. There is one truth that has to always be remembered. European and soviet Zionists invaded, conquered, massacred, and displaced hundred of thousand Palestinians. Once that truth is identified and concrete, then the rest of the domino effect of Palestine/Israel will be able to fit in why Jordan took presidencies in the West Bank. Edited: I just realized I messaged you again in another thread. I’m not trying to bully you into an opinion, I’m just being bias with my opinion, and explaining from my own perspective. Sorry if this annoys you.
@oiulti6900
@oiulti6900 Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay totally agree on that point.
@oiulti6900
@oiulti6900 Год назад
@@jdoe3487 that doesn’t make any sense! Jordanians are Arabs and are sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians, other Arabs, who lived with and worked peacefully with each other during the Arab, and Turkish empire. It’s kind of like Pakistan is to Afghanistan… friends! I can’t believe what you just said…. That is definitely the dumbest thing I have heard in 2023z
@rogerthomson9461
@rogerthomson9461 Год назад
When criticising Britain and using terms like colonialism, it is worth mentioning that Britain did not ask for the Great War, did not persecute Jews in Eastern Europe forcing them to move, and did not attempt to settle Palestine. One never hears why the Ottoman Empire didn’t decolonisation and grant its peoples self determination.
@savedcity6937
@savedcity6937 Год назад
2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. 3Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. 4From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast." GOD said, enough said. Joshua 1: 2-4
@charlenefrench5404
@charlenefrench5404 Год назад
New subscriber here if these court has no implications isn't kind of irrelevant?
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Hello and a warm welcome to the channel! Yes and no. The Court's opinions may be advisory and non-binding, but they do carry moral weight. It is the highest court in the world. That does mean something. And it can provide guidance for countries that may want to know what they should be doing to conform to international law. The same goes for the UN organisation. But there is so much unclear in this case. It really is going to be fascinating to see what the Court eventually decides.
@gnarlytreeman
@gnarlytreeman Год назад
The problem is, Israel turned into a country, the palestinians are governed city states. As far as i understand the old british legal framework was intended to allow both groups to self govern and hash things out themselves. Since then wars and treaties have happened, and loads of broken promises, mostly on the arab side. And as far as i understand there is nothing illegal about the armed conflict. Its just a very much extended temporary battle ceasefire, that gets infringed on in most cases by palestinians. Israel had just made better use of resources over the years, including hiring palestinians to help build their country. If they went to war, it wouldnt be illegal. Just like territorial occupation isnt illegal during wartimes. Its just the losing side (palestinians)getting to complain more because the other side (Israel) isnt very interested in conquering them.
@philo9046
@philo9046 Год назад
LoL, what full of hate and misinformation comment.
@DioXin
@DioXin Год назад
I wonder how will the verdict be affected by the annexation and ongoing war in Ukraine. The court will have to be very strong willed and not forgiving in such global atmosphere or it risks loosing any legitimacy
@mou6854
@mou6854 Год назад
Original and most debated IR topic I would think. 😅
@cosimodirondo972
@cosimodirondo972 Год назад
The resort to the International Court of Justice by the PLO is itself a violation of the Oslo Accords. Under Oslo, any disputes must be resolved by negotiation between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs, by agreed-upon conciliation, or agreed-upon arbitration.
@Juiceeway
@Juiceeway Год назад
As if the other side is upholding this “agreement”.
@kayjr9795
@kayjr9795 Год назад
Thats like asking a buffalo to negotiate with its predator
@joaquingonzalez5095
@joaquingonzalez5095 Год назад
hahahaha the Oslo accords are terrible and useless
@lumina1re329
@lumina1re329 Год назад
@@kayjr9795 Kinda hilarious that people still give the Palestinians the role of "Prey". No they are not Prey, they are jackals and they lost their fight over the food with the wolves.
@kayjr9795
@kayjr9795 Год назад
@@lumina1re329 so they shouldn't have basic human rights such as freedom to move? Should the blacks in america still be serving whites?
@cosimodirondo972
@cosimodirondo972 Год назад
The Golan Heights were intended to be part of the Mandate for Palestine, but due to British and French machination they were excluded in 1922 and the area was recognized as falling under the Mandate for Syria in contravention to article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine which stipulated that ". . . no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign power." Syria, controlled the Golan Height only for 21 years (1946-1967); from 1948 until 1967, Syria would use its vantage point to attack Israeli villages in the Galilee region. In June 1967, Israeli forces captured the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War and Israeli military law was subsequently applied to the region. In 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law extending Israeli law and administration throughout the territory. Know that Israel’s connection to the Golan Heights is traced back to the Bible. The Golan is the biblical Bashan. In Deuteronomy 4:43, it says, “Ramoth in Gilead, for the Gadites; and Golan in Bashan, for the Manassites," one of the Tribes of Israel.
@shazminbahari32
@shazminbahari32 Год назад
Everyone knows the Golan Height was captured by Israeli to secure fresh water supply for their country
@Omer1996E.C
@Omer1996E.C Год назад
You always try to legitimize your occupation
@erfanehsan8609
@erfanehsan8609 Год назад
If we're going to use the Bible to settle this dispute, let's remember that the Canaanites (Arabs) had this land before the Israelites.
@robby3467
@robby3467 Год назад
Israel is still smaller than it was originally so I don't understand all of the whining about it "occupying" more land?
@Omer1996E.C
@Omer1996E.C Год назад
@@robby3467 originally? Originally it wasn't there
@naasikhendricks1501
@naasikhendricks1501 5 месяцев назад
One part of the information you forgot before UK gave up Palestine. That Eastern Europeans(Trained and Supported by UK and USA) was shipped in by UK and USA.
@AyalSharon
@AyalSharon Год назад
At the 3:27 point in the video you refer to "1967 borders", however, these were not borders but rather armistice lines from the end of the 1948 war. As you mentioned earlier in your video, in 1948 all of the Arab League countries rejected the UN partition plan, and launched a war to destroy the new Jewish state. Between 1948 and 1967, none of the Arab countries was willing to recognize the State of Israel based on these armistice lines. In those years, the Gaza Strip was governed by Egypt, and the West Bank and East Jerusalem were annexed by Jordan (an annexation not recognized by any country other than the UK).
@cto_plushtubing
@cto_plushtubing Год назад
You say this is a very complex issue. It is not. Only those who are complicit secretly with Israel call it complex to bury the truth and justice around the issue.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
This is simply not true. There are all sorts of factors that need to be addressed. I’m not new to working on conflict. I’ve studied conflicts for 30 years. I’ve worked professionally on peace processes and have been involved in UN talks. There are all sorts of dimensions to this issues that need to be addressed. And if it was so straightforward there would be no need to seek this advisory opinion on in the legal issues from the worlds highest court - a request made by state supportive of Palestine. Really, let’s try to discuss the issue beyond mere slogans.
@cto_plushtubing
@cto_plushtubing Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay Yes, the conflict resolution and so called peace process is only a ploy to buy time for the perpetrators of the crime. The net result is zero, the victims are continuously marginalized until they lose everything and the aggressors get everything they had planned. How people even think that the Zionists have any claim to legitimacy after what they have doing to the Palestinians, and the world elites are doing meeting after meeting pretending they are really doing something good. Hypocrisy has no better example in the whole human history.
@MeesyIce
@MeesyIce Год назад
i always hate western framing of the colonization of Palestine, "the united nations decided that the territory should be partitioned between its Jewish and Palestinian arab inhabitants" next time maybe don't fail to mention the fact that the vast majority of the Jewish inhabitants were European settler colonists. imagine if the UN partitioned India between British and indian inhabitants and gave most of India to the British that is what happened to palastine.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
I deliberately highlighted an earlier video I made on the subject. Perhaps watch that first. I cover all this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DoD2UiyXqEA.html
@shainazion4073
@shainazion4073 Год назад
There was Never any Palestinian Territories other than Gaza, and Areas A and B. There was never any Palestinian state, country, or sovereign nation. Occupation? What is being occupied? ▪︎ The former Ottoman lands? ▪︎The expired British Mandate? ▪︎ The illegally annexed Jordanian land? ▪︎ The land Israel won from Jordan in the Six Day War? What is being occupied?
@gilabola4642
@gilabola4642 5 месяцев назад
If only all countries abide by international laws and those who dont would be severely punished by the majority, regardless of which country that is, the world would be a much law abiding place
@toby9999
@toby9999 Год назад
I would have thought the UN's time would have been better spent reigning in Russia's latest ventures than picking on Israel yet again? Interestingly there are parallels with the current Russia Ukraine war. Israel is fighting to hold onto it's historic identity, its historic lands and religious and culturale identity against the much stronger Arab world whilst Ukraine is fighting for its existence against a much stronger Russia. Palestinians living in the ancient Jewish lands are in my opinion akin to the pro Russian folk in the Donbas. If you don't like it then go live in Russia. Arabs (or whatever), if you dont like where you live... why not move to Arab country etc? That's what I did. Makes more sense than fire bombing. In my opinion the differences between these two peoples too great for there to be a "single state" solution, whilst a "two state solution" won't prevent the hostilities for the same reason.
@460mas
@460mas Год назад
Attacking Israel is the only thing the un knows how to do.
@danielwilkinson3173
@danielwilkinson3173 Год назад
There are no such thing as ancient Jewish lands? - Areas where people of the Jewish faith resided (which were fairly small anyway), have not changed. The land remains - but the people mostly converted, often to Christianity, and then Islam. There was war, there was migration, there was conversion etc. You can't claim land based on religion by a different people from thousands of years ago. There is no legal basis for it, nor moral. Though it is harder now, it is better for Zionists to return to their homelands and aim for self-determination there, rather than in Palestinian land. You need to read the book by Israeli writer Shlomo Sand, called 'The Invention of the Jewish People'. Very insightful, as he shows how modern day Israelis such as himself, have no ties to historic Palestine (even if they did, it is irrelevant, ethnic cleansing of people over religious fanaticism/extremism is not moral or legal) and he is the one who looks at the evidence of what happened to the one of many groups of people who lived there for a short time, who were part of the Jewish faith. After all, Palestinians do live in many other countries. In Syria they have no citizenship, in Lebanon they aren't allowed to work beyond a set number of jobs, in the gulf they are hardly accepted. I think the main issue is people with no background to the situation have some anti-Arab racism about them. Assuming Arabs of Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Mauritania etc. are all the same ethnicity. That's not how it works.
@toagonel7045
@toagonel7045 Год назад
A question, Professor: Do you think a ruling against Israel (and, more importantly, a choice by Israel to ignore the ruling) would diminish Western support in any way? I can't imagine America would be enthusiastic about any state ignoring the ICJ, but perhaps a blind eye would be turned? I'm a big fan of your videos! Can't wait for the next one!
@blip808
@blip808 Год назад
I'm no professor, but it's quite likely that the US will very well give the Israelis their ardent support. From a geopolitical and military standpoint, Israel is a much closer ally to the US than its other regional partners like Egypt and Saudi Arabia. In past UN resolutions condemning Israel, the US has gone so far as to threaten reducing funds from the USAID program to certain countries supporting those resolutions (most of which eventually passed). Additionally, its hard to see either major parties in the US wanting to risk alienating their more traditional Jewish voting base or start fighting with the informally-called "Israel Lobby" (AIPAC). the Democratic party has traditionally always been the preferred party of American Jews, and Republicans have been making overtures and appeals to Jewish voters for the past decade. In the UN, the US has generally been a fan of not signing internationally binding treaties or doing anything that is 'binding' at all. Additionally, the ICJ often finds its rulings difficult to enforce when it is a detriment to major powers like the US, Russia, or China. That being said, I think some EU member states might be more willing to voice criticism towards Israel's ignoring of the rulings. TL;DR: No, American geopolitical, military, and political spheres would have too much to lose. And the ICJ probably can't do much either if America really wanted it.
@joaquingonzalez5095
@joaquingonzalez5095 Год назад
The advisory opinion is not binding. Also western countries know already it is illegal. Nothing will change
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support. :-) It will be fascinating to see how the Court rules on this. Although it is a legal body, it is actually far more aware of the political dimensions of international relations than many might realise. It knows that it has to balance the legal issues with the reality of the wider effects of any decision. Interestingly, the United States tends to take a rather sceptical view of the Court, though not hostile. It has never signed up to its compulsory jurisdiction. www.icj-cij.org/en/declarations
@toagonel7045
@toagonel7045 Год назад
Ahh, I see. Thanks so much!
@sandrad9695
@sandrad9695 Год назад
As an American who follows all of this loosely, I will tell you that most Americans have little respect for the ICJ, those who even know of its existence. We view it as slightly corrupt, highly political, and irrelevant. It also seems to undermine national sovereignty for the signatories, something most Americans are not into. Since Israel is not currently a signatory, I doubt they will abide by any decision even if it is just advisory. It’s all academic except for the people actually living in Israel. There are consistently terror attacks on individuals and by Iranian proxies. After Hamas took over Gaza, I don’t know how anyone could trust handing over the West Bank. Many of the mountains of Israel are in the West Bank. To hand the high ground over to people who basically want to see you wiped off the face of the earth is just nuts. Are there Arabs in the West Bank who want to live peacefully next to Israel? Yes. But sadly they are the minority and not now in any positions of authority. I’m afraid the status quo will continue for now, but how long can it? Sad and complex.
@54032Zepol
@54032Zepol Год назад
Yeah as much as I have hope for Palestine it really does sound like a speedbump for Israel while Palestine is that speedbump, how do you feel about this? There's no denying that these two have constantly been at each other's throats since before the times of Roman's. Israelis have nowhere else to go as we see a rise of anti semitic rhetoric in america and Europe has a small facade that covers their seething anti semitism and no one not even other Arab states wants to see a prominent rise of Palestine as a regional power in place of Israel. We gotta kick the can again for another year or so.
@AnonyMous-ij8ri
@AnonyMous-ij8ri Год назад
Israel's arguments regarding the occupation are made in bad faith. On the international stage, it claims to be a temporary custodian of the occupied territories while a comprehensive peace treaty has not yet emerged. Meanwhile, however, it continues to build Jewish-only settlements in areas claimed by the Palestinians, thus "creating facts on the ground" and foreclosing any possibility of settling the conflict in the future. The Israeli right has grown increasingly extreme in recent years, radicalized by ascendant factions of religious fanatics who believe the Holy Land in its entirety has been given to the Jews by God, such that ceding any parts of it is viewed as sacrilegious and treasonous. And these people wield significant power in the new far-right Israeli government, the most radical since the country's establishment 75 years ago. This, as well as a list of other factors, makes an explosion in the Palestinian arena highly likely practically any moment, which doubtlessly will influence the conclusions reached by the court.
@meusha846
@meusha846 Год назад
The only thing you said in our erudite analysis that I potentially would disagree to is that it is a complex issue. It is an extremely simple issue of illegal occupation and engineering of demography. Chomsky said as much. It is the Israelis who try to obfuscate the issue and make it sound intolerably complicated. There is no complexity in this at all.
@elynoorzai9407
@elynoorzai9407 Год назад
Free Palestine
@davidprobert4171
@davidprobert4171 Год назад
There's little reason to free a state that has never existed. The chance to "Free Palestine" was lost when the Palestinians and Arab countries rejected the 1948 United Nations partition plan and attacked Israel..
@nedimlim6523
@nedimlim6523 Год назад
SLOBODA PALESTINI / СЛОБОДА ПАЛЕСТИНИ / FREE PALESTINE / LIRI PALESTINËS/ الحرية في فلسطين🇵🇸 💞🇲🇪🇧🇦🇦🇱🇲🇰🇷🇸🇽🇰🇸🇮🇭🇷 🌍 END APARHEID 1948 and OCCUPATION / FREEDOM for PALESTINE and PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
@olofhansson6803
@olofhansson6803 Год назад
So good. It’s so good. So good. 👏
@xyz-hx5dh
@xyz-hx5dh Год назад
Thus it can be said might is right .
@CorncropTv
@CorncropTv Год назад
Annexation is all the rage nower days, just hope Israel gets the same heat the "other" country did.
@koontekinte0
@koontekinte0 Год назад
happy new year professor. it is, as always, a pleasure to watch your videos and learn. as an Israeli, I welcome this step. Seeing what have become of the west bank and the worsening situation of the Palestinian population under Israeli occupation, especially with the plans the new government is preparing for the Palestinian areas in the west bank in the years to come. however, I believe that this is part of a bigger game. EU and US understood that they can use this as a leverage against the new Israeli government and played that card, allowing this to happen. now they can pick up the phone and say that unless X happens, they would allow the process to continue, and when they will have gotten what they want, the entire thing will drown in paperwork. I wish there was somewhat more effective tool to make the people in Israel understand the reality from a wider perspective (Saudi Arabia seems the most likely "tool" here as if it recognizes Israel in return for the implementation of some piece agreement, it might be too much for any Israeli leadership to ignore). moreover, I invite all, especially Israelis to witness the reality in the west bank, the actual apartheid, the road blocks, the arrests of 7 year old kids as well as 80 year old grandpas, the harassments from the Israeli settlers , with their own eyes. it is worth more than any amount of words I can write. I hope this renewed international attention can be the beginning of what will eventually be the a Palestinian state and an end to the Israeli Arab conflict. having said that, I believe the Palestinians are too divided to actually make this work. if they worked together, they would have a state decades ago.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
Thank you so much Rafi. I always appreciate it. And a very Happy New Year to you too. I think you are absolutely right. Something needs to move. Frankly, the current situation isn't as sustainable as many might like to think. (A common thread in many conflicts that I look at.) I know that many Israelis really do worry about the implications of pursuing an annexation policy. And with good reason. Like many others, I still believe that a two state solution offers the best hope for sustainable peace. It was really interesting to hear your thoughts on Saudi Arabia. You may well be right. That would be such a huge prize for any Israeli Government, it might be hard to ignore. I was also very noticeable that the EU was divided three ways on the resolution. It was as if a clear decision had been taken not to try to pursue any sort of joint position on the issue, even if this was just for a collective abstention. I actually think that the EU's ability to divide on matters is helpful in certain circumstances. This could be one of them. It will be fascinating to see how all this plays out. But, ultimately, let's hope that it can push things towards an eventual settlement.
@sandytatham3592
@sandytatham3592 Год назад
"Palestinians are too divided"...agreed. And the majority of Palestinians also don't want to live in *peace* next to a Jewish state.
@oiulti6900
@oiulti6900 Год назад
Palestinians are not as devided as you think. PLO came to existence, because there was a common idea of maintaining Palestinian identity/existence - not to be genocide out of existence. Palestinians are together, but like any government, there are multiple sides of the spectrum, even in Israel, you have leftists and right wingers. I do know that there is a group of Palestinians and a group of Israelis who want the same thing, the land of Palestine to be what it once was before the invasion of Zionist Europeans and soviets into Palestine to establish and conquer into that land a new identity/state. These groups of Palestinians and Israelis will prosper together in unity and solidarity, together, without Israel or Palestine. A New state that is not Israel, and is the old Palestine.
@oiulti6900
@oiulti6900 Год назад
@@sandytatham3592I mean, it’s kind of ridiculous that a country should exist only for Jewish people. Where are there countries that exist only for a certain group of people? Besides the cannibals in the Amazon jungle.
@sandytatham3592
@sandytatham3592 Год назад
@@oiulti6900: You might call it ridiculous but some people see it as the greatest success of the *indigenous rights* movement. In 1920 the international League of Nations met at San Remo and recognised the Jewish people as indigenous to historic Palestine. They were granted the right to re-establish their homeland, with non-Jews to be given equal rights. That happened. But Arabs didn't like it. Even though Arabs themselves have 22 countries where, today, it is very difficult for a Jewish person to live securely, and even Christians and other minorities groups are at risk. The Ottoman Caliphate defeat in 1918 saw Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia given to Arabs for self-determination, so why can't the Jewish people live safely on less than 1% of that remaining Middle East land? Does Japan exist only for the Japanese people? Can Kurdish people also be given their own nation state? It's not so ridiculous to me.
@agankachu09
@agankachu09 Год назад
Professor, why is Judea and Samaria the only 'occupied' land debated in the world while there are so many countries that have illegally and forcefully occupied land? The wall or the barrier was created by Israel is a security barrier against terrorist walking into Israel. Lastly, why did your country the UK gave 70% of the land to the Hashemites while the remaining 30%, the world wants to carve out another country when they refused to divide the remaining 30% in 1947? An opportunity lost. Logically and fairly speaking, the 70% should be divided into half for the so-called Palestinians.
@brianfoley4328
@brianfoley4328 Год назад
One of the better analysis but still flawed in several important ways. Moral victories count for nothing and Israel knows that better than anyone. The UN would have more credibility if it wasn't so worthless. The UN is really little more than a platform for airing grievances and a funnel for wealth re-distribution but it accomplishes next to nothing in resolving real world political conflict (as its dismal record clearly shows). Your analysis is spot-on regarding the effects of an International Court ruling. You are a rare bird, while neither side is keen on listening to the opposing side of the argument, your reasoning is so sound that any participant has to at least listen to your comments and consider them.
@levicieux
@levicieux Год назад
Free palestine from greece🇬🇷
@mnr4129
@mnr4129 Год назад
Appreciate it my friend sending love to Greece 🇬🇷🙏🏻
@nedimlim6523
@nedimlim6523 Год назад
SLOBODA PALESTINI / СЛОБОДА ПАЛЕСТИНИ / FREE PALESTINE / LIRI PALESTINËS/ الحرية في فلسطين🇵🇸 💞🇲🇪🇧🇦🇦🇱🇲🇰🇷🇸🇽🇰🇸🇮🇭🇷 🌍 END APARHEID 1948 and OCCUPATION / FREEDOM for PALESTINE and PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
@QuizmasterLaw
@QuizmasterLaw Год назад
"between the two countries" Palestine isn't a country. Even if it were a partially recognized state it has no effective self-government and is incapable of self-government. Palestine isn't even a de facto state. Taiwan is a good example of a de facto state. Palestine has partial de jure recognition but lacks one of the defining elements of international legal personality: the capacity to self-govern and engage in effective foreign relations because you can't engage in foreign relations when you are not de jure recognized by around 1/3 of the planet.
@Remake5182
@Remake5182 Год назад
Watch his video on Somaliland
@blip808
@blip808 Год назад
Hi, I'm writing this on the internet, so tone is easily misread, but I just feel like it's a bit more nuanced than that. When Israel has immense extraterritoriality with their laws in the West Bank, has jurisdiction over zoning in the West Bank, and can send in its military as it pleases, it indeed makes it immensely difficult for the Palestinian Authority to take steps towards self-governance. International recognition of Palestine is also only about 30 countries less than Israel. They can do fine when many communist/capitalist governments were not recognized by the other half of the world during the Cold War. Just as Israel's capacity for diplomatic interaction are more limited with muslim-majority nations than others, it's the same for Palestine with certain Western nations. If Palestine is a recognized party to the Oslo Accords and other diplomatic treaties and agreements to which both the US and Israel are as well, even if not a formally UN-defined 'country', it certainly has enough recognition to deal with other states on a diplomatic-level--whether they recognize them or not. Your listed standard for the degree of state capacity for government functions required for governance is also pretty high; I've seen much less in Somalia, Yemen, and Libya.
@ktwarshunggeorgeanal4691
@ktwarshunggeorgeanal4691 Год назад
I don't understand why UN, and some other Countries are always against the people of GOD Israeli (the whole world knows the truth, every tribe every Religion they have their own country and freely enjoying the best,,, So let the Israeli also they have all their Right 👍
@robby3467
@robby3467 Год назад
The God part aside, too many people are ignorant and have bought into the lies about Israel stealing land etc. and have no historical perspective. It's as it al of this began in the 20th century, which is wrong.
@dankeil4470
@dankeil4470 Год назад
Jeremiah 4:20 My people are fools, they do not know Me! They are senseless children they have no understanding.
@user-ph2ht9jk7o
@user-ph2ht9jk7o Год назад
👋 اجمل 🌹 من ❤ اجمل 🌹
@CG-zi5ku
@CG-zi5ku Год назад
Do you consider the French resistance in WW2 fighting back against Nazi occupiers as 'terrorists' as you have labelled Palestinians fighting back against Zionist occupiers? I guess not.
@jonnijangkrik7350
@jonnijangkrik7350 Год назад
THIS IS BRILIANT STATEMENT 🧐
@jonnijangkrik7350
@jonnijangkrik7350 Год назад
They not only labeled it as a "terrorist", but also as "anti-Semitism". Which we know it's not.
@mmjj2534
@mmjj2534 Год назад
French resistance in WW2 was not bombing buses with civilians. They were not killing babies in kindergarten like Arab Palestinian terrorists are doing (read about Samir Kuntar for example)
@CG-zi5ku
@CG-zi5ku Год назад
@@mmjj2534 Oh of course, to apologists for invader/occupiers like yourself. Your invader/occupiers are the good guys and the people whose land they invade and occupy are the bad guys. Your invader/occupiers didn't hurt a fly, they brought nothing but kindergartens. Well hate to bust your lies and or delusion. But let me inform of just one of the genocides of children your 'lovely, wouldnt-hurt-a-fly' invader/occupier perpetrated in Gaza 2014 where in just a matter of weeks the Zionists murdered over 500 Palestinian babies and children. And that's just one of the many genocides perpectrated by your 'lovely' invader/occupier.
@mmjj2534
@mmjj2534 Год назад
@@CG-zi5ku what is your opinion about the occupation of Cyprus by Muslim Turkey and the settlement of Cyprus by Turks migrants from Anatolia? What is your opinion about the Kurdish people who are willing to have their own state, that is currently occupied by Turkey, Irak and Iran? What is your opinion about the ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Artzak by Muslim Azerbaïdjan? What about Christian Serbs expelled from Kosovo by Muslim Albanese migrants when they were the majority of the inhabitants of Kosovo after just one century of migration ?
@Carstininvestments
@Carstininvestments Год назад
The Israel-Palestinian conflict is not complex. That's a trope peddled by the Israel Lobby.
@JamesKerLindsay
@JamesKerLindsay Год назад
OK. Believe what you want. But after eighty years of history, compounded by developments on the ground, various UN resolution, etc. it is a complex. Ironically, pretending it is simple, which creates a naive absolutism about the nature of a solution, is also part of the problem.
@Carstininvestments
@Carstininvestments Год назад
@@JamesKerLindsay There’s nothing complex about resolving the present conflict which is to insist that Israel comply with UN Resolution 242 and withdraw to the pre-June 1967 borders. Resolution 242 is one of the most widely affirmed resolutions on the Arab-Israeli conflict. Instead, in the Occupied Territories, Israel has become a full-blown apartheid state and the West has thoroughly enabled that unspeakable crime to occur.
@Kalimdor199Menegroth
@Kalimdor199Menegroth Год назад
@@Carstininvestments That won't happen because of the Gaza precedent. Withdrawing from Gaza provided the void needed for a terrorist organization to fill it and to launch barrages of rockets into civilian areas whenever they felt like. Considering that the current Palestinian Authority led by Fatah is unpopular, and Hamas with Islamic Jihad gaining traction, for security reasons Israel has to maintain a permanent military presence in the West Bank. Otherwise, it would be Gaza 2.0 on steroids. Until the West Bank is not pacified and the terrorist organizations are not annihilated physically, there cannot be any discussion of a military withdrawal. Because history has proven that the Palestinians can simply not be trusted to hold their own end of the bargain.
@Carstininvestments
@Carstininvestments Год назад
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth Your assertion it is only unachieved "pacification" of the West Bank that is preventing Israel from withdrawing is totally deluded. Israel has no intention of withdrawing from the West Bank and Israeli leaders make that position plain when they talk of annexation of that territory. However, if Israel does annex the West Bank, it will have a large Arab population within Israel proper (as opposed to now where it relies on the fiction of a military occupation to claim that the Arabs of the West Bank are not Israeli citizens). In every way, Apartheid already exists in the West Bank today between Arabs and Israeli settlers. So, if annexation takes place, then Israel, if it is to remain a "Jewish state", will have two options: either it becomes a full-blown apartheid state or it ethnically cleanses the West Bank of its majority Arab population.
@Kalimdor199Menegroth
@Kalimdor199Menegroth Год назад
@@Carstininvestments Again, you have to look at Gaza and what happened after 2006 disengagement. Is there any guarantee that if Israel pulls out from the West Bank, Hamas or Islamic Jihad won't take over and start firing rockets into Israeli recognized territory? I think you know the answer very well. Or it might not even have to be Hamas or Islamic Jihad, but the actual PA going back to its roots (i.e. terrorism). As such, in this situation the reason of state and security takes precedence over international law. There won't be an annexation of the West Bank. It will stay in limbo for as long as needed until the territory is ripe for annexation (i.e. when the Palestinian population dwindles and when the Jewish population grows). I think the ethnic cleansing solution is the better solution for the West Bank. This could be done peacefully, as a form of population transfer, it doesn't have to be violent. In any case, the West Bank will never see a Palestinian state. Neither of the 2 parties want it either way (Palestinians do not want their own state unless it is from the river to the sea, as they popularly promote it). And considering the Gaza precedent, from where Israel actually disengaged and left the Palestinians to govern themselves (which is what they wanted), that didn't bring peace but more instability.
@md.muzahidulislamsamrat8037
So, what makes a settler colony a settler colony? ..... Simply put: all settler colonies constitute a continuous process of land annexation, whereby native inhabitants are removed and settlers from elsewhere are brought to occupy the land. To be sure, all modern nation-states have annexed land in certain respects, but the settler-colonial state’s distinguishing feature is that it does not come into being and cannot continue to exist without claiming sovereignty over land that is forcefully taken from its native inhabitants. In short, the settler colony can only claim its sovereignty through the eradication and erasure of native sovereignty.
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