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Is Absolute Batman ACTUALLY Batman? 

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In this video, we dig into Scott Snyder's Absolute Batman and question what truly defines the Dark Knight.
0:42 Writers are always changing up our favorite characters
0:47 Sometimes we like it
1:20 Sometimes we hate it
1:29 Absolute Batman is not canon, a retcon, a reboot, or part of the main continuity
1:56 What is the essence of Bruce Wayne and Batman?
2:21 Batman’s essential attributes
2:35 Batman vs. The Punisher
3:45 Where Absolute Batman misses the mark
4:06 Is Batman still Batman if he’s broke?
4:39 Is Batman still Batman if he’s not an orphan?
5:38 Is Batman still Batman if he’s an “agent of chaos”?
6:14 “One big lie”
7:11 Why change Batman’s orphan status?
7:55 The good news
8:22 What Scott Snyder should have done
8:46 Don’t give up hope!
10:00 Where do you draw the line? When does Batman stop being Batman?
By reimagining Bruce Wayne without his billionaire status and altering his family background, does Absolute Batman preserve the essence of the character we all know and love?
We'll explore the core attributes that make Bruce Wayne Batman, the significance of his tragic past, and discuss whether these fundamental changes transform him into someone entirely different.
Join the conversation as we analyze where Absolute Batman might miss the mark and ponder the question: When does Batman stop being Batman?

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1 окт 2024

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@AsgersWeb
@AsgersWeb 3 дня назад
I agree with this a lot. Especially about how Batman doesn't need to be rich at all, going forward after the Pattinson Batman movies that really explore the economic complexity of Batman. After that has concluded I think going forward making Batman someone who is not rich would be very interesting. Like imagine that Alfred adopts him after his parents are killed because he was like the Wayne's neighbour in crime alley or something, that's more of the approach I'd have preferred over this, but it will be interesting to see Batman with a mother alive.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@AsgersWeb yea, see that Alfred angle would have been a really interesting and perfect way to do it!
@Silas_Kow
@Silas_Kow 4 дня назад
I mean you can say the same about Spiderman and uncle Ben's death. And Ultimate spiderman is working well for all I know
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 4 дня назад
@@Silas_Kow I think it’s a little different because getting bitten by a respective spider is what leads Peter Parker to become Spider-Man. Uncle Ben just influences the kind of hero he becomes. And he can do that whether he lives or dies. Maybe even better if he lives and Peter becomes Spider-Man later in life when he’s not an immature teenager.
@desantotony77
@desantotony77 3 дня назад
Batman vision from tim Burton, is Batman. "The Batman" from Robert Pattinson movie is! Batman! Those, they kept the original raise from character. Out of THIS. There's not batman.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@desantotony77 yea, those are in my top three or four. This one might not even make the list if it’s not actually Batman
@matthewschwartz6607
@matthewschwartz6607 2 дня назад
Don't forget the NOLAN Batman!
@desantotony77
@desantotony77 2 дня назад
@@matthewschwartz6607 1000% sure!
@Ultriac301
@Ultriac301 День назад
Pattinson's Batman is a low budget RU-vid parody of the Dark Knight trilogy.😂🤣
@Ultriac301
@Ultriac301 День назад
​​@@matthewschwartz6607His principals and a certain amount of training he received was like Batman's but he wasn't really Batman either😒.
@JoshuaR9763
@JoshuaR9763 3 дня назад
I’ve been thinking it basically doesn’t sound like Batman ever since they announced what absolute Batman would be. If somebody word to describe the character to me without telling me his name I would’ve never thought that’s Batman 🤣
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@JoshuaR9763 exactly! And I’m not one of those people who just automatically assumes every new thing is going to ruin a character, but it seems like they went a little overboard here. Might be a good story, just not a Batman story (other than the name)
@davidallen4026
@davidallen4026 День назад
Naw Batman is an angry rich dude able to live out childhood power fantasies. Especially if you read his comics in the 70s. Without the money the character is just another costumed vigilante - he might as well be the Equalizer.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF День назад
If we're going to go back in time, why wouldn't we go all the way back? Back to when he was just a goober like every other superhero? Regardless of where he started or where he's been, the essence of the character now is that he's a survivor of childhood trauma who turned his own fear into a weapon to protect others from that trauma.
@ajmeyers5661
@ajmeyers5661 Час назад
@@WhatsUpWOLF imo you described the inciting incident, not the essence of his character. I would say the essence of his character is his incredibly strong will*. The inciting incident---the death of his parents and ensuing trauma---channeled that will into his quest to travel _everywhere_ and learn _everything_ he can. He studies and trains around the world to become one of the best, if not *_*the*_* best [insert list here], so that he can protect others from experiencing his trauma. Anyway just my thoughts and opinions. Cheers! *NB - I was going to say compassion and will are both the essence of the character, but I think some writers like to rob the character of compassion sometimes, for reasons I guess
@joshuahall1581
@joshuahall1581 2 дня назад
Tbh I haven't read Absolute Batman, but if Bruce in the Absolute Universe is just a poor kid growing up and the Wayne's are just some destitute family struggling to get by with Batman no longer being an orphan with him struggling on the streets to support his family with Batman's first traumatizing memory being his poor family getting beat up by cops and his mother OD'ing AND rides motogp motorcycle AND IS AN ENGINEER, THAT AIN'T BATMAN THAT'S JASON TODD.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
Supposedly his traumatic memory is a shooting at the zoo… 🤷 and his mom works for mayor (instead of commissioner) Gordon. It does seem like all these things they want to explore could have been better explored with a new superhero but people are just lazy and/or want the built in popularity of the Batman IP (even if they change him to the point where the whole Batman thing about him is the bat ears on the cowl)
@matthewschwartz6607
@matthewschwartz6607 2 дня назад
I'm actually looking forward to this one (And Absolute Superman, too.). I think that Snyder should have left Batman after Endgame (Where he killed off both Batman and The Joker.), and that his writing lost its luster after that. But it sounds like he's reinvigorated now and he seems really excited with this project. Hopefully he's as good as he was when he first started writing Batman. I can see where you're coming from. I think that this is going to be interesting, though. Fingers crossed.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
I’m definitely giving it a chance and I hope my optimism is rewarded!
@TheMicBartz
@TheMicBartz День назад
Thing is: The "What if...he wasn't rich" was already explored in-depth in the abadonded script to "Batman: Year One" by Frank Miller and Darren Aronofsky. What Snyder did with "Absolute Batman" is creating a Batman for the Twitter Left.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF День назад
Yea, that's what I wish they would have done. Leave as much the same as you can and just change one element and let's see how it goes. Like, he loses his money so he doesn't have a butler anymore. Although I think they still could have had Alfred adopt him or something. But then they live on a smaller salary and his training would have come from Alfred's military background instead of experts from around the world or whatever. I'm going to wait until it comes out before I assume it's a progressive version. (Although I do see where your concerns come from.) And, since the Frank Miller Year One never came out, I don't consider that a true exploration. I want to see it all fleshed out. I don't think this Absolute version will be the ideal version of that though.
@TheMicBartz
@TheMicBartz День назад
@@WhatsUpWOLF Seek out Howard Chaykin's "Batman: Thrillkiller" - in this, Bruce is a cop first, and only becomes Batman after Robin is killed. What Snyder attempts to do, has already been done.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF День назад
@@TheMicBartz Everything has been done before, I'm not as worried about that as whether it's a good story and then it's just a question of whether it's a good Batman story (just calling him Batman doesn't make it true). It seems like the unique thing here is going to be more about the universe as a whole instead of the stories themselves (although Absolute Wonder Woman might be pretty interesting). I do want to read Thrillkiller. Thanks for the rec.
@YoungMovieReviews
@YoungMovieReviews 22 часа назад
I think the only thing that makes Batman rich cool is the Batcave and the gadgets, him basically being the love child of Sherlock Homles and James Bond of superheroes
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 20 часов назад
@@YoungMovieReviews yea it definitely makes for some fun stories, I’m hoping this one will be kind of like the MacGyver of superheroes
@HellBoy-id6ss
@HellBoy-id6ss 2 дня назад
Not gonna make a decision until I've actually read it..but being a billionaire absolutely contributed greatly to him being Batman.. to travel the world, recruiting people to train him in various skills (thievery, fighting, deduction, etc) that takes money 💰..let alone his gadgets, cars, jets..you get the picture.. though I am excited to see where they are taking this character..
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF День назад
@@HellBoy-id6ss I agree that it contributed, but it wasn’t a core element. It affected how he Batmanned, but he still would have Batmanned without it.
@Cernunnnos
@Cernunnnos 2 дня назад
They already sort of did the whole "not a billionaire" story with Joker War. Granted he didn't grow up working class, but you get to see the fun elements with him having to do things on a budget. The reason him not being a billionaire makes for good story is because it makes him more of an underdog. In the context of DC at large, he's still an underdog even with his money. He's a normal human going up against things that can bench press planets, they money just lets him slightly level the playing field. I the context of just a self contained Batman story, the money can be a bit much. It becomes a very powerful tool that he can use to leverage pretty much anything to suit him. He's always got a solution for any problem because he can brute force it with money. The best elements of Batman imo are his strategising, detective work and his obsessiveness. Which is why the absolute best live action version we've had was Reeves. it's the only film version that put the detective element above the punching bad guys element. A good version of Batman will accentuate all these elements above just the standard fighting, because they're equal parts virtue and fault. His obsessive need to have a contingency for every eventuality was core to one of the best Batman stories in Tower of Babel, but counter to that, it's a character trait a lot of his friends and teammates rely on in other stories. Exploring the downsides of the elements that make him remarkable are some of the best stories for characters like this.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
Well said! I think losing his money is interesting, but never having it in the first place is even better from a storytelling standpoint (in my opinion). And I’m with you on The Batman. It really gets to the core of the character.
@marvelghost
@marvelghost День назад
Any other Batman logo already has an ax design, to any iteration of him. This is the worst chest logo they have given Batman.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF День назад
I saw someone mention that somewhere on Reddit. The normal logo already looked more like an ax than this big black brick 😂🤣 It was the perfect axe head, and they ruined it. Although I guess maybe those sharp edges and points might have been dangerous
@glennwatson3313
@glennwatson3313 2 дня назад
I love What-if alternate reality stories. But this guy is not the real Batman.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
Agreed. Just some dude who got his hands on the batsuit!! 😂😂
@andresMASTERx
@andresMASTERx 2 дня назад
Yes
@MatthewMoreau
@MatthewMoreau 3 дня назад
Same
@Fein4Lean
@Fein4Lean 2 дня назад
The parents are probably gonna die later
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
Everyone does eventually 🪦💀
@ajmeyers5661
@ajmeyers5661 2 часа назад
He's Batman if the owners of the IP say he's Batman. That's really 'end of', imo. I'm not impressed and won't be reading it, but there are lots of people who are and will, and that's pretty cool
@frankfilippelli
@frankfilippelli 3 дня назад
You are so right, I agree with everything said 💯
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@frankfilippelli you gonna read it?
@frankfilippelli
@frankfilippelli 3 дня назад
@@WhatsUpWOLF I guess I’ll just watch a recap of it on RU-vid. I don’t believe I’ll buy it.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@frankfilippelli I got you, I’ll let you know how terrible it is (or isn’t, I hope)
@frankfilippelli
@frankfilippelli 3 дня назад
@@WhatsUpWOLF I’m looking forward to your honest review of the story. I just subscribed to the channel 👍 keep up the good work
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@frankfilippelli thank you!
@AsgersWeb
@AsgersWeb 3 дня назад
Wait what. I'm pretty sure they said he's still an orphan
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@AsgersWeb nope, his mom works for Jim Gordon who’s the mayor instead of the police commissioner and his dad is a teacher
@AsgersWeb
@AsgersWeb 3 дня назад
@@WhatsUpWOLF interesting. She probably is going to die then 😭
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 3 дня назад
@@AsgersWeb 😂😂😂
@dewshbag16
@dewshbag16 2 дня назад
I agree with you, Batman can still be Batman without being rich. An excellent example of this is in an episode of Justice League where the team accidentally create an alternate reality. They soon Discover that Bruce/Batman still exists. However, he’s not rich and is blind. He was still able to become Batman. All be it with different difficulties and more of them. his core character was still there, so it was still Batman. An important note to make is that he still became a child orphan.
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
@@dewshbag16 yea, I think he’s lost it a few different times. I really like the idea of him not having it to lose in the first place. But having him not be an orphan? that seems like a weird choice.
@dewshbag16
@dewshbag16 2 дня назад
@@WhatsUpWOLF agreed.
@ThaShowStopper
@ThaShowStopper 2 дня назад
"I'll interpret the hell out of that thing, I'll make it mean what I wanted to mean!" My Fuckin G! 🤘🏾 Keep up the great work my brother 🫡🫡🫡
@WhatsUpWOLF
@WhatsUpWOLF 2 дня назад
Haha thanks man 💪💪
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