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Is Austerity to Blame for Europe's Economic Woes? 

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From Nobel laureate Paul Krugman to the free-market-friendly Economist magazine to former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, all sorts of experts are charging that financial austerity measures are killing the great economies of Europe. "Austerity Is So Wrong!" reads the headline of a Krugman piece at The Daily Beast that argues against cutting government spending during weak economic times.
But the critics of austerity have got it all wrong, says Mercatus Center economist and Reason columnist Veronique de Rugy. For starters, many European countries haven't cut spending at all and, among the ones that have, most have made relatively minor trims while also hiking taxes. That's known as "the balanced approach," notes de Rugy, and it almost never works to reduce debt-to-GDP ratios or get economies moving again. Yet critics of cutting government spending in a weak economy ignore academic research showing that significant spending cuts, structural reforms to entitlements, and loosening labor regulations are proven ways to reduce debt loads and get countries moving again.
De Rugy talked with Reason's Nick Gillespie about austerity and its discontents - and what the United States could learn from Germany's economic reforms made earlier this century.
About 7 minutes long. Produced by Jim Epstein; camera by Epstein and Meredith Bragg.
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@Zatzzo
@Zatzzo 9 лет назад
What Krugman and others are talking about is lack of demand, lack of government spending. Why is she going on and on about taxes? This isn't about government revenue, it's about the damage done by cutting. She doesn't even try to explain why spending cuts should somehow lead to growth, this is nothing but hot air!
@thetruthseeker9407
@thetruthseeker9407 10 лет назад
The Euro is the problem, when the Euro was formed southern euro countries suddenly had german level low interest rates on borrowed money resulting in a spending boom with borrowed money. Germany has been the benefactor of a weak currency giving Germany a cheap currency that does not reflect the strength of there economy by about 30%. Germany is the reason the Irish property markett went into meltdown the Irish needed high interest rates at the time and Germany low. This missmatch between euro countries will never be solved.
@tcreegs5
@tcreegs5 12 лет назад
Thanks for this topic
@WriterProfessor
@WriterProfessor 12 лет назад
Really good video.
@LeGioNoFZioN
@LeGioNoFZioN 12 лет назад
thank you Reason, day in and day out you have the best channel on here.
@lordhighexecutioner
@lordhighexecutioner 12 лет назад
The least damaging form of austerity (having the government take in more and give out less) is to increase taxes on people with the lowest Marginal Propensity to Consume. This is that austerity that least drags the economy. It would also have another happier effect; those with a very low MPC tend to decide what they're paid and this means less for everyone else. If higher taxes induce them to lower their own pay, the money can be reinvested for productive use or paid to people of higher MPC.
@Prenna23
@Prenna23 12 лет назад
Has Reason TV done an analysis like this of the Australian economy? I know Australia has a resource boom going on but I'd like the Reason take on the ALP's stimulus packages etc.
@Trepur349
@Trepur349 11 лет назад
Since the Cameron Administration came in we have seen spending increase 11 billion and tax revenue increase 96 billion. That is not austerity, that is tax increases to curb a deficit
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
They already account for increases when they calculate future income vs spending. Read again where they said you d need 8 T invested now growing at 3 percent to cover the future liabilities of SS. The unfunded liabilties are growing far faster than incomes have or will. They doubled from 00 to 05 for instance, who's income doubled in that time frame?
@Kapitalistenschweine
@Kapitalistenschweine 12 лет назад
Right on. It was overdue someone demolished the myth of "spending cuts have not worked, let's try spending hikes again." Veronique de Rugy rocks. I'd only be a bit more skeptical about Germany, more like a one-eyed king among the blind.
@trueconservatie33
@trueconservatie33 11 лет назад
that explains the post war boom where huge spending cuts took place
@EgypTPHONIX
@EgypTPHONIX 11 лет назад
I didn't really get it , why having higher taxes with spending cuts doesn't work and did Europe had spending cuts
@xxcrysad3000xx
@xxcrysad3000xx 12 лет назад
I'd point to mortgage deductions, subsidized in-state tuition at university, and employer-based insurance as probably the biggest giveaways to upper middle-class and wealthy people, who benefit the most from these tax credits while the people who they're supposed to be helping in the first place (the middle class) can't gain a foothold.
@Wrongway1965
@Wrongway1965 12 лет назад
I couldn't agree more.. I just didn't specify Law Enforcement.. But 'They' most ok all will not give up any power/money/ or justidiction..
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
For social programs to be funded in the future requires an unimaginable increase in the economy. Medical coverage costs more than it should for a lot of reasons, one of which is that people covered don't feel the effects of high prices. A $20 treatment is the same to them as a $3000 treatment, when someone else pays the bill. So providers etc charge more, just like colleges do. I still don't see how you think the many ten's of trililions of liabilities will have future funding.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
I'm not certain, but living in a strict environment is a powerful motivator.... Those that refuse to work hard will need the charitable support of others. "when the IMF imposes cuts" You get to a very important point. Yes, short term VERY painful to shift into an Austrian economy from what exists now. It is impossible to fund the social program's liabilities. I prefer to admit and deal with that fact now, as opposed to a sudden and unexpected inability to make payments.
@jwhitenstall
@jwhitenstall 12 лет назад
Who else do you think should go?
@garrethdavis
@garrethdavis 12 лет назад
same
@ThorsMjollnir0341
@ThorsMjollnir0341 12 лет назад
I find it absolutely stunning how many people are arguing that austerity measures must cease, when the whole reason Europe is in the situation they are in right now is because of too much spending. What was it again that Einstein said about insanity?
@oswarz
@oswarz 11 лет назад
Right. Would YOU like to work for minimum wage?
@ChefEarthenware
@ChefEarthenware 12 лет назад
Being in the UK, its quite annoying to hear Reason TV talking about Public Spending cuts here. There have been NONE. Public Spending is increasing at the same rate as under the previous, socialist administration. The fact that the UK media (particularly the BBC) continually screams about these non-existent "cuts" should not prevent international organisations from checking the facts for themselves. Reason TV - must try harder!
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 11 лет назад
What this proves is that there's no economic benefit to deficit reduction.
@TreachMarkets
@TreachMarkets 12 лет назад
"she's a frequent collaborator with me..." You hittin' that?
@lordhighexecutioner
@lordhighexecutioner 12 лет назад
Their spending is no more different than it was at any time since the gold standard. The difference is the euro, a new gold standard, and that's where the blame lies and simply changing that is what will solve the problem.
@LiviuNicolaescu
@LiviuNicolaescu 12 лет назад
DeRugy argues that the European austerity program isn't as austere as it portrayed. (Ask the Irish the Spaniards and the Greeks about this.) In any case, granting this assertion, we now have proof what a mild austerity program does to growth. Can one imagine what a serious austerity would do to growth? It is in fact not as hard to imagine: just look at Spain and Greece. The new EU manufacturing data (out today May 14) show that the situation is a lot worse.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Sure they are. You can "treat" the same condition in a myriad of different ways. I have witnessed this first hand. Medical providers give extra medicine just because it is covered by insurance, give extra medical devices, etc. I have received many things that I did not want and did not need just so the doctor could prescribe (sell) more.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
We use empiricism at times, but the first thing to do is try to prove your assertion wrong. Economic light-weights like Kruggy don't understand this. You have to always think "what would have happened if xyz didnt." Most economic schools fail to consider unintended consequences, things beyond face value.
@GlennJericho
@GlennJericho 12 лет назад
"...increased spendings on rich people..." Example please? Is there some government-subsidized caviar that I should be getting in on?
@lordhighexecutioner
@lordhighexecutioner 12 лет назад
The EU has been explicit. It's called "internal devaluation". Too much inflation during the bubble years must be corrected, it says, as it ruined competiveness. Deflation must take place in Greece, Spain and Italy and this is done by causing unemployment. Debts are used to blackmail governments into doing this; though sold as a common sense plan (get the debts down by cutting government spending), the deflation amplifies the debts and of course they have to pay those newly unemployed.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"See 4:12 onwards. If you disagree - explain the actual mysterious process!!" 1) She said more likely if doing spending cuts it would lead to stimulus. 1st tell that to Europe with has contracted due to they have cut massive amount of demand. 2nd she shows as free market fundamentalist as somehow the free market fairy would bring confidence to the market place due the spend cuts (which showed failure). Besides, post WW2, the rise of the middle class was with more than 100% debt to GDP ratio.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Ex: the US has a 50,000 payment due for a car they borrowed in 5 years. They put no money aside to pay for this future obligation. They continue spending more than their income for these 5 years. In 5 years they have to borrow money to pay for this 50,000 payment and the rest of the deficit. The 50-222 T is insurmountable because the US hasn't funded and isn't funding these promises.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Tell me how to fund the US's social program liabilities. Tell me how to avoid the cuts.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
You literally made my point for me in this and several previous posts. The money has to come from somewhere to make good on the obligations. Yes, all public debt is mine and yours. Future liabilities are mine and yours. To make good on these, we have to pay for them when the check comes due. There was supposed to be money sitting in a piggy bank waiting for future SS payments, that money was depleted for non SS purposes. So back to my original point, how do we come up with that much money?
@GlennJericho
@GlennJericho 12 лет назад
You have to say it right... "It's da Jooooozzz!!!"
@lordhighexecutioner
@lordhighexecutioner 12 лет назад
Austerity can be a policy to reduce aggregate demand either through monetary or fiscal destimulus in the name of fighting inflation. Or, on the fiscal side, have the government pay out less and take more in, reducing aggregate demand and causing unemployment. The EU plan is to cause deflation by causing unemployment, forcing wages down. The unemployed people have to stay alive so they don't pay taxes and they draw benefits. This reduces revenue and increases spending on these newly unemployed.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
You are still twisting this.......The amount, at any given time, by which future payment obligations exceed the present value of funds available to pay them. For example, a pension plan's payment obligations, including all income, death and termination benefits owed, are compared to the plan's present investment experience, and if the total plan obligations exceed the projected plan assets at any point in time, the plan has an unfunded liability.
@successfulbuild
@successfulbuild 12 лет назад
I'm not sure why this was marked as spam as it makes some good points. TylerNutify's comment was also marked as spam.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"Also northern Europe has more open markets, and more closed in the south, again showing that free markets creates wealth for all." That is not true as they massive regulations like Germany, they do only have "open markets" within the European Union. 2nd point that is bogus that "free market" creates wealth unless you mean externalities for the mass population to pay.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"Fact is that anyone who says nations don't need to balance budgets is putting a tax noose around their own neck since failure to balance means the government has taxed you subtly via inflation." This is nonsense as the government does need to balance its budget as it not a person & has different priorities than the people who live their. 2nd of all, not inflation is bad thing as if use properly, it can help the nation get of a recession.
@Sideshowbobx
@Sideshowbobx 12 лет назад
The greeks didn't fall into poverty due to austerity measure. They voted and lend themselves into their current situation. The banks only ask for the legitimate down payment of the loans Greece took from them. The only big trouble with the banks is that they should loaned to Greece in the first place nor be now be bailed out with the wealth of northern Europe.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
I largely agree, BUT can you reasonably cut costs without unintended consequences? Say you cut payments to medical providers enough to keep Medicare in the black, then you have many many billions of less income for these people. What is the repercussion to this? Whatever it is, people need to know what level of entitlements they are to actually receive, that way they can appropriately plan for retirement etc. We have a system that promises a Ferrari but can only deliver a Fiat.
@jwhitenstall
@jwhitenstall 12 лет назад
So true, if the whole of Europe shed all the dead weight that is bankers, politicians, and monarchs then the debtocracy would be sorted.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
I disagree obviously on medicare, but yes patents minimize competition which = higher costs. I would promote a simple thing: If you want to engage in massive social spending, then at least provide the funding for it. Don't promise what you can't deliver. These social programs would not be what they are today if they had been funded correctly all along. People like them but don't want to be taxed, so now we have an obscenely large liability bubble over our heads waiting to pop.
@xxcrysad3000xx
@xxcrysad3000xx 12 лет назад
My mistake, I thought you were talking about in the USA. Yes, if the kid above means "increased spending on reach people" by providing liquidity to banks so that they won't become insolvent, then yes, they provided money to rich people. But his is a completely stupid argument, they raised taxes and cut grossly unsustainable public spending, and that was what needed to be done to keep the Euro-zone from collapse.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
We were running deficits when social security was in surplus, and you don't see it to be a problem in the future? The government can't even balance the (cash accounting) books now, let alone the ever more promises. I don't know how anyone can ignore this reality, except you have to I guess if you want to blindly believe in government spending as the cure. It does all boil down to that. The government should have funded and continued to fund these programs by setting money aside.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
I dont have an easy response to this. All I can really say is that the social liabilities are entirely unfundable. There will be a default on these promises one way or another. It will be disastrous, but only because people blindly believed that the system was sustainable and expected to receive them.
@danieldynamic2121
@danieldynamic2121 12 лет назад
How can you compare government to gravity. Gravity has always been government is a relatively new thing
@SunofSadric
@SunofSadric 12 лет назад
"Paul Krugman" Threw up in my mouth a little bit
@lordhighexecutioner
@lordhighexecutioner 12 лет назад
What about the continued implementation of the Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment policy? Under NAIRU, a reserve army of labour adding up to at least 5% is considered to be mandatory. This policy is why unemployment has been so high since the advent of the neoliberal era in 1979. When the unemployment rate is too low, under NAIRU, countries create the unemployment deliberately. These welfare people are a product of that policy and starving or enslaving them is no answer.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"Germany, Finland and Norway are all in the top 25 most open markets on earth, Heritage society ranks them all as "open free markets" I am confused as the Heritage Foundation has said that deregulation is good yet the nation they have are Nordic Nations & Germany who are overregulated & taxed economy. Germany does tax imports from outside the EU. PS China is another overregulated & still growing.
@qwertpoi
@qwertpoi 12 лет назад
How about, "if it hurts anybody?" Is a person somehow less of a person for being rich?
@vonGleichenT
@vonGleichenT 12 лет назад
Germany is a great example. Who ever was in charge did an amazing job at it. Think about it all it took was labor reforms, and now they have an 6.2% unemployment rate. That was easy!
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
I really don't think it matters anymore. The liabilities are so immense, 50-220 trillion depending on who you talk to. They are unfunded because the government wanted to promise them but didn't want to upset people and tax them. Social security would've been fine if they never dipped into it. Not austrian endorsed, but would've been fiscally sound. I have to now prepare for a future of no/limited social security etc, even though i paid into it. That's the betrayal.
@Loathomar
@Loathomar 12 лет назад
So, it you take that a job that pay less then you old job, the pays 60% of the difference, for a limited time. This way if I was earning $100K, it can still make since for me to take a job for $40K, cause even though the pay is less them what I would have got from unemployment, my income goes from $60K to $76K and the government payments fall from 60K to 36K and more people are working. (Note: I used $100K as the math was simply and 60% cause it was near Germany's amount, it's not the US %)
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
2) She said that stimulus "most likely" without any facts as usual said that it would lead to contraction as look at Iceland who strengthen their safety net & said to market fundamentalist "we are not bailing these capitalist motherfuckers." 3) She talked about Germany, but on the recession they practiced socialist idea to leave the recession as one of the ideas was Kurzarbeit. P.S. Germany is democratic socialist nation, I am down for some democratic socialism in the USA.
@StateExempt
@StateExempt 12 лет назад
Indeed, you "wrote" that assertion without defining the two terms and then justifying your conclusion. And I personally do not want anyone to rule over anyone else, including cases in which it is justified simply because you outnumber someone.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
If raising taxes was all it took to bridge the social security fiscal gap, then why was it a 47 billion $ deficit last year? Sure you may be able to tax enough to cover social security, but again what about ALL of the future liabilites that have no funding? Social security liabilities are miniscule compared to medicare's.
@lordhighexecutioner
@lordhighexecutioner 12 лет назад
No the plan is "internal devaluation". These countries are not competitive compared with Germany as they experienced far more inflation during the bubble years than Germany did. The idea is to deflate these places into competitiveness. They've been very explicit about that. The way to deflate is to reduce aggregate demand and the best way to do this is to cause massive unemployment. These policies amplify existing debts. This whole confidence talk is just a cover story.
@TheMax161
@TheMax161 12 лет назад
Oh my...the sheer intellectual power and logic of your statements are overwhelming. Are you saying that unless a government calls itself Marxist, it isn't socialist?
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
You have no idea how liabilities are calculated. They estimate the value of the current promises, that is it. A mortgage isn't a problem b/c you have sufficient income to pay for that liability. For decades the government stole the social security surplus and spent it instead of investing it in the trust fund. It created a liability by doing so. It'd have been fine if they didnt do this. You draw no difference between a funded social program and an unfunded one.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
The pursuit of profits is beneficial to society. My employer pursues greater profits. The bigger the profit for the fiscal year, the bigger a bonus and raise I get.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw 11 лет назад
I agree it can do any foolish act like messing up the value of it's own currency but this is pure stupidity if you want economic stability and growth. I too would prefer the Eisenhower policy since it worked well and I believe will always work better than abandoning the disipline and substituting what has been done by unprincipled vote seeking politicians since.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"People are shielded from these costs, thus they continue these dangerous activities." No, that is not true as that happens actually when you do the mass opposite like the USA. The Nordic Nations & Europe which shield cost have massive opposite effect when you shield these cost. One easy example in the Dutch who have legalized drugs & shield cost, but the irony, they have low population who actually use the drugs.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
What their is need to stop cutting government spending but massive stimulus done correctly like the FDR Admin. did. "at the end of the day the tax payers of every nation are footing the bill for the largess of the few." I hope your talking about the capitalist class.
@requiemforamerica8432
@requiemforamerica8432 11 лет назад
Sounds like Germany is a case where austerity is working to make the situation a little bit better.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"Very good explanation by a smart person - Balance your budget!!" What worrisome is this comment. You can not cut your way to a balanced budget as Europe showed. 2nd of all nations due not need to balance a budget.
@hitmanhart670
@hitmanhart670 11 лет назад
Such a cop out. Whether you cut government spending or raise taxes you are taking money out of people's pockets. Also when you cut investments, you literally kill jobs, which is far worse when you have individuals make slightly less because their taxes increased
@WriterProfessor
@WriterProfessor 12 лет назад
Yeah, David Cameron was been a real letdown. I was afraid he was going to be, and I didn't think the Liberal coalition was going to go anywhere...but I wanted to hope against hope.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
I think you are looking at this subject from a different lense.(ok)
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Investing newly created money is the same as investing any other money. If you use it unwisely, you decrease the productivity of society, and thus destroy wealth. It is possible for the government to invest wisely with their funds, they rarely do however. During times of crises, we have economic frauds pushing for the MOST wasteful use of funds(i.e. least productive), simply for the sake of employing the most people. We get awful recoveries b/c of gov't intervention.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
My entire point is how the United States find funding in the future to make good on every single promise it has made to me you and others. The system is unsustainable(proposed income vs spending), thus the only way to alleviate this is income increases, and/or expenditure decreases. There is not enough income to tax to make good, thus benefits will be cut to fill the gap, unless of course you believe in a fantasy of efficient government(single payer). Medicare is over 5x in the red as SS.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
You'd be hard pressed to find an economist that doesn't admit that too much debt is bad. "Austerity" is a very very broadly used term. Decreases in the growth of spending = austerity somehow. A true Austrian "austerity" would initially favor the debtor. Although I consider lending an investment risk like any other, so favor may not be the right word. There is no easy way out of this my friend. You either deal with the liabilities, or they deal with you. The only question is "when"
@takerdust
@takerdust 12 лет назад
Reason has almost 45,000 subscribers, but that number is still too low for an important channel such as this.
@payn3a91
@payn3a91 12 лет назад
Is working out too much to blame for Michael Moore's weight problems? Different question, same answer.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
2nd, what is actually paid is never the 35% & few even get tax return. PS The USA had massive tax rate at 70% pre-Reagan & did so much better. Higher taxes means higher growth especially those at least who make 7 million dollars or more. "Denmark is actually ranked above the USA in economic freedom and Norway ranked above USA in business freedom." Ireland & UK are in the top & not doing well at all, so what is your point?
@EasyEs
@EasyEs 12 лет назад
Yes it is. If they are just sitting on their savings or earnings it is. Also you forget inflation is a tax that hits the poor very hard.. Very much a keynesian idea..
@StateExempt
@StateExempt 12 лет назад
And your problem is that you ignore where that money came from. Government cannot put new wealth into an economy without taking some out first. Again, you have some serious catching up to do if you really believe that Libertarians are content with Fed policy as well as fiat currency in general.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
You leave out some things in your analysis. What is the cost of someone who has a boo boo that doesn't seek any treatment? 0. What is the cost of me going to a medical provider saying "my back hurts"? Every boo boo medical visit i have ever went to was a complete waste of my time, and insurance money. This is one of many reasons why people need to be at least partially responsible for their bodies. Again, those that "cant" get charitable support.
@Loathomar
@Loathomar 12 лет назад
When the US economy tanked and so many people lost there jobs, many people could like get jobs, but those jobs paid a lot less then there old jobs and if they where get 60% from unemployment and the jobs they could get would pay them 60% of what they where getting, why would people take it? Basically, that would be working for free. What would be reasonable for the government, would be to pay a percentage of the unemployment for a time.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Those that can't will Require help. The "capable failures" are able to at least ask for help. I donate and volunteer, but I personally refuse to help those that could help themselves. Ideally we'd live in a society with tighter family and community values. Lose your job? You rely on your savings and can fall back on family to help in transition. There is no family when everyone demands the government protect them from failure.
@mrtoothhurty1
@mrtoothhurty1 12 лет назад
Britain dammit, not England.
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
This argument illustrates that you believe a government can do as it likes without monetary restraint or accountability." Technically it can as creator of their own currency but would that said it what it is spending as spending on war would send a nation to ruins while on a Nordic style welfare system would benefit the nation-state. Personally I would prefer to return to the conservative Eisenhower tax rate with less loopholes as this way their would be little inflation incentive.
@muddywood
@muddywood 12 лет назад
It couldn't possibly be spending more than they take it. The laws of math are a bitch.
@EasyEs
@EasyEs 12 лет назад
Well we may be mincing words here. I don't think taxing poor people is a good way to boost and economy. I don't hate taxes, I understand that there are things that the market can not provide very well. Basic services such as military police courts etc. I don't think that taxation will help poor people be not poor in any real sense. The poor of the EU and North America for the most part are poor because it is easier to be poor then learn to be productive in a complex political economy.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
You can spend 1 million dollars many different ways right? 1 million dollars creates a LOT more jobs if you just employ people to dig a hole and fill it back up. When the money is gone, you have nothing to show for it except the future consumption of those employees. Compare this 1 Million spent on machines, computers, and few employees. A lot gets built, few people employed. As a result you have more stuff created, few employees future consumption and the income from the equipment purchase
@istraight1
@istraight1 11 лет назад
"I cannot have an honest and learned conversation with you, if you do." I agree with people who don't want to give credit FDR saved the terrible system of capitalism. Also, due to Europe not practicing stronger austerity government spend cuts (lead them to 3rd world status), it can't be called austerity, which even if your big lie was even based on somewhat truth it was showing mass failure, like anything fiscal conservatism/neoliberal policies time & time again.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Social Securities own people call it an unfunded liability. This didn't stem from my imagination. An "unfunded liability" is a very easy concept to understand "In present value terms, the Social Security Administration says the shortfall is $8.6 trillion. That means the agency would need to invest $8.6 trillion today, and have it pay returns of 2.9 percent above inflation for the next 75 years,to produce enough money to cover the shortfall." Yet you say "what shortfall It's funded I swear!"
@successfulbuild
@successfulbuild 12 лет назад
"MARXISTS ARE SOCIALISTS, THEY FAVOR THE ABOLITION OF CLASSES." _ This is actually true. _ "THERE IS NO PROFIT...." And this is true of neoclassical economics models as well. If you have a no-bid function and a firm moves x closer to the port it uses, shipping costs will fall by tQ_0 but rent rises by the same amount in a competitive to keep profits at zero. I think you're trying to talk about the profit MOTIVE.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Money printing is inflation. Any created money is inflation. You absurdly only look at NET inflation/deflation. The fed only creates a fraction of the new money, the most (over 80 percent) is created by banks. Inflation is simple when you understand what it really is. More money chasing fewer goods. Unless you claim solely supply decreases and increased money velocity to account for the price increases?
@StateExempt
@StateExempt 12 лет назад
Your proof by assertion is also logical contradiction. Theft is the taking of property, so property in itself cannot be theft. If you believe something is theft, then you are admitting that you support property in some form. What you say is akin to claiming that language is meaningless.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
That's like saying Obama is aligned with all of those that voted for him The same could be said about you being sometimes "aligned" with vultures and sometimes with the working class. I'd be lying if I said I didnt want to see social programs see massive cuts. I'm a future recipient too, dont forget. I'd rather have something salvageable when I retire than have it completely in default. True sustainability is what I promote, not budgetary gimmicks.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
The new budget is a disaster. It might be less than you want, but there is nothing about it that we would endorse.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
At this point, I don't care what the deficits are. Deficits are better than tax increases and debt monetization. Sooner or later the creditors will be wiped out, I'd prefer sooner than later. Keeping the US on this path only delays the inevitable. Sure we may get out of the recession, but the liabilities will be ten's of trillions higher the next go round. There is NO plan proposed that can deal with even a fraction of the promises.
@Zaxxon2008
@Zaxxon2008 12 лет назад
ummm... then whose is it? If you've earned it, then common sense says that it's yours
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw 11 лет назад
This 'Austerity' call is an enormous lie illustrative of their hypocracy. Fact is what they are calling 'Austerity' is accountability. They are running away from the very accountability standard they insist on when they get their own payment for services. The real issue they are arguing is payment for the costs associated with their actions. Proponents of end to what they call 'austerity' should self examine wheher they would argue against someone short changing them for what they are owed.
@publicme
@publicme 12 лет назад
Mercatus Center, with de Rugy, has close ties to the Koch brothers David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch. Read up on their politcal activites. (I was interested in Reason.TV but I'm starting to see what it actually stands for...) Bleh.
@Rob-fx2dw
@Rob-fx2dw 11 лет назад
Thee is no compelling force to tell nations to cut theirbudgets since governments answer to no force above them, unlike private individuals or bussiness - if this is what you mean. Fact is that anyone who says nations don't need to balance budgets is puting a tax noose around their own neck since failure to balance means the government has taxed you subtly via inflation. You are wrong about what some european countries are doing - re vist the videa. The German nation HAS done this.
@gnolhsobners
@gnolhsobners 11 лет назад
Civil liberties implies personal responsibility though. You should deal with the consequences of a poor diet. People are shielded from these costs, thus they continue these dangeous activities. Our whole philosphy revolves around getting people to behave responibly by realizing that there are consequences. Consequences shape behavior. Obesity is a huge problem and it is spurred on by the governments obscenely stupid nutritional guidelines.
@jwhitenstall
@jwhitenstall 12 лет назад
Perhaps if we simply made people pay their own debts we wouldn't need all this taking money from the poor to give to the banks fun. Let the bankers and politicians who actually agreed to all these 'debts' pay them back, then we could leave peoples pensions alone.
@Zaxxon2008
@Zaxxon2008 12 лет назад
No, they are fighting for more gov't handouts paid for by others hard work
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