As Rob Zombie said, they have more energy and showmanship than half the bands out there. They are dedicated not just to the music but the showmanship and flair that makes metal amazing to see jn concert
@@cheeseburgerpaladin this. Jpop and Kpop groups but on some of the best shows. full of energy, tight choreo, and all the right tricks to get a crowd going. add metal, a highly stylized and energetic genre, and its honestly a perfect pairing for a high energy captivating performance.
I am not an expert in this topic, but I heard their band is comprised of some of the most in-demand session musicians in the Japanese metal scene. Yes, they are a corporate creation, but they made something really special.
fr just what metal in general is just a healthy way of releasing emotions with people alike, weather that be in mosh pits or genuinely having fun in different ways
Tbf I think the public has changed it's mind. Maybe it's because I saw them a couple of days ago in a sold out venue but I feel like metalheads are more open minded now than 10 years ago.
Eh I never claimed they weren't metal, but a preposterous ammount of wierdos claim they're the best metal band around. "Best" is obviously subjective, but to even say something like that demonstrates a wildly myopic scope on metal. I feel like a lot of people are being introduced to metal through them, because there's no fucking way even the noobiest metalhead could ever make that claim. But hey, the more the merrier, so long as it's not the only metal you listen to. Sounds elitist, but if you heard someone say "Dominoes has THE BEST pizza" you'd have to physically restrain yourself from slapping them in the fucking mouth. I'm glad you like pizza, but at least go to one artisan pizza joint that serves pizza on stands before saying some shit like that, you know? Also I'm gay
@@stevenhetzel6483 I'd prefer dominos over the wanky pizza they have in certain cities, where they cover the pizza in sweet potato and blue cheese. But there's nothing wrong with someone finding baby metal their favorite band, they have a lot of great songs. And they're clearly a highly talented band skill wise. This elitist shit is silly, its like "true" black metal fans only want bands to record on a potato, when the truth is that black metal sounds so much fucking better when its recorded by pro's doing a really good mix. Like it or not, Nickleback have some metal songs, and yup they're still metal songs no matter who's behind them. Sometimes you hear a piece of music and just enjoy it. Hell there's pop songs that I really enjoy and I've been listening to metal since I was 12.
@@finnmacdiarmid3250 metal has been incorporating other genres from day one.. from blues to classical to pop and funk. It's what the genre is all about.
It's literally about heavy metal Jesus coming back to bring the literal "glory" of metal and headbanging to the world. You can't get more metal than that!
The amount of collabs they've done. Tom Morello, Sabaton, F.Hero and soon Electric Callboy.. I saw them live and was blown away. It was genuinely an assault on the senses and I loved every second of it!
If baby metal can open for Sabaton and have Rob fucking Zombie endorse them with such vigor then I'd say Baby metal is pretty damn metal, plus they've got plenty of killer tracks
They supported Metallica in Seoul, RHCP in the UK, Guns & roses in Japan & so much more. I don’t care what anyone says they’re pretty metal to me & I love them. I’m a 46 y.o. metal head btw listening to metal since I was 10 or so.
The stupidest part about this debate is that if you played the music for a metal head they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and what they call "real metal" but as soon as you show them the image of it, it's no longer considered metal
It’s purely sexism and racism (but mostly sexism). Asshole elitists think only tough white dudes can make “real metal.” Girls from any ethnicity can shred just as hard or even harder.
Nah, you're describing an ignorant elitist, not a metalhead. I'm a metalhead to a degree, and just because 99 percent of the genre is trash because of my feelings doesn't mean I need to explain why i only like the real shit
@livanbard commonly for sure, but those just tend to be the vocal losers and you have them in every clique. I'm a pretty damn big metalhead and would never condescend to someone over something so involuntary as musical preference. I smoke weed pretty regularly too and there's the stereotype of the stoner who's identity is smoking weed, they tend to make outlandish health claims about the shit and look down on people who don't like pot for their perceived ignorance, seems like the same behavior. I lift weights too and same deal, so I guess I just assumed every hobby or pursuit has a similar population of varied mindsets and attitudes
I've seen Baby Metal open for Sabaton, and they were pretty great. It was a bit of a 'culture shock' (with them doing choreographed dances and singing Japanese) but those chicks looked like they had fun, and they were super engaging with the crowd. 8/10 would recommend.
Not just Rob Zombie. Rob Halford, Jonathan Davis, Herman Li, Oli Sykes, Joakim Broden, Matt Heafy, and Corey Taylor have all been vocal supporters of Babymetal, not to mention all the bands they have toured with. Their fellow musicians have never been anything but supportive, it's just the metal elitists that don't respect them.
People often judge Babymetal off their self titled album only, back when theu were 14 and more kawaii. Their newest album "The Other One" is an absolute banger, with far more mature vocals and themes and of course amazing instrumental. Even the one before it, "Metal Galaxy" was less kawaii and is rather eclectic in sound. I'd recommend them to anyone, even someone who isn't into jpop or the more cutesy kawaii metal.
I donno man, their first album may have had some cute fusion stuff, but they also had some seriously hard beats. personally nothing will beat Metal Resistance for me. Metal Galaxy disk 2 was filled with awesome, and their latest is pretty good, but pretty weird in some areas.
People seem to forget that metal is basically a super-genre that encompasses a ton of sub-genre and fusions. I didn't use to like "metal" or even music in general because I was only exposed to the kinds I didn't enjoy early in life. Now, metal is my favorite and my tastes are expanding.
@@Armament0fJustice Metal is like craft beer. When you're used to the generic corporate beer like bud or whatever, you taste metal and your brain rejects it...but after a few tastes and the right setting, suddenly your brain turns and bam, you're getting the dragon snout hops extra beer or whatever and loving it for what it is. But yeah, its all about allowing yourself to like all music. Not every song or band, but in all genres, there are some winners for sure. I tend to love metal and house as my main, but I have learned to like a lot of pop, rap, and even a few country beats...(note, for me its beats moreso than songs)
people that think metal is just growls on heavy battery slamming and string breaking guitars, are tourists or old farts that cant get with the times in my book.
One of the most metal things BABYMETAL ever did was having a line in their song "Future Metal" which says "are you still playing the guitar? This ain't heavy metal. Welcome to the world of BABYMETAL" Looking forward for the day they will perform it live
No. Its not us old guys. We love BabyMetal. It's millennials who never saw Led Zeppelin or Iron Maiden in concert and think you need to do nothing but growls to be metal. Screw those young gatekeepers. Metal is about breaking the rules not making them up in your own head then trying to enforce them onto others.
@blitzofchaosgaming6737 It's bot millennial, there's no age group here it's anyone who thinks they get to tell other peoppe how art works. Thats not an age group, it's a mindset. I've met plenty of Gen Xers with the absolute shittiest heavy metal opinions and I've met young people with the same fucking issues about their music. It's not an age thing, it's an elitism thing, this 40 year old millennial has seen the whole spectrum in every age group.
Saw them live November last year in 2023. I was supposed to see them all the way back in 2020 but didnt get the oportunity too, and then the obvious happened. Was SUCH a cool experience! They knew how to control the crowd! The entire band are so damn talanted and its one of the best concerts I've ever gone to! If anyone gets a chance, I'd HIGHLY recommend seeing them live.
Gimme Chocolate!! Is so good! My first time listening to them was on the pink tape collab with Lil Uzi Vert, “The End”. Had no idea who either of them were but I loved babymetal’s sections in the song so I decided to listen to more of them. I was NOT disappointed🔥
I heard them live at Louder than Life 2023. As we (dad and I) walked past her stage, she let out this demon growl almost out of nowhere that cut us both off guard and I love to listen to some their songs (even though I can’t understand it)
went to their concert in november last year! they are absolutely incredible, super engaging with the crowd and seem to have a lot of fun. to support your argument, i saw soo many older “hardcore scary” metalheads there and a wide variety of other fans! 100/10 best concert ive ever been to, cant wait for them to go on tour and visit my country again
It's because elitists think they own metal, they are like religeous fanatics. They are conformists who cannot tolerate anything that doesn't conform to the expected norm. Trying to control what is metal gives them a sense of power and relevancy that they don't actually have. You know you are an important band if you ruffle the feathers of elitists.
@@Corum-rl9ro Your comment is kind of cringe bro. Some people are just really geeky when it comes to genres and labeling bands, not everyone, hell I'd say only a vocal minority, of the people you described are "elitists". There are people who claim Alter Bridge or Alice in Chains are metal, I disagree, doesn't make me elitest.
@@FrogWalrus Maybe my wording was a bit too strong and blunt, but i stand by what i said. Opinion is one thing, but someone beliving they have the power to decide what is 'pure' or 'real' and not having the intelligence to know opinion is not fact actually is elitism and does resemble forms of religeous control. Just as gatekeeping is useless because it happens AFTER something has already got past the gates, elitism is useless because a band, group or acts genre is primarily defined by what market and scene they thrive in and Babymetal rose to power in the metal scene, they chart in metal charts, they appear in metal magazines, they play metal festivals. They may not be a typical band but they are metal. Labels like Pop-metal, Kawaii-metal do not matter. If any acts music is primarily metal then they are metal by default. All of the reasoning i hear why Babymetal are not metal is either based on ignorance or confusion about what metal 'should' be, or based on misconceptions, jealousy or bitterness rather than facts, and usually has nothing to do with their music. 'they don't play the instruments' 'their not organic' 'Su doesn't growl' etc., but non of that excludes them from being metal. All they are saying is Babymetal are different and should be cast out because of it. F**k that, that's not what the spirit of metal was supposed to be about, and that is why Babymetal have been embraced by their peers.
Worst part about the Metal scene is the elitist fanbois who take shit waay to serious and is a big factor in why I stopped calling myself a metalhead. Some people were making it their personality and they love talking shit about bands that they think are too commercial. While I did go through a period of about a decade of only listening to metal, my thinking changed and my tastes developed. I no longer feel ashamed to say I like bands like Baby metal because I honestly no longer care what metalheads think and haven't done so in over a decade lol
The guys who made duet with Dio, Tenacious D, covered Baby One More Time, so at this point Metalheads are SUPPOSED to enjoy bubblegum pop as well... Babymetal dueted with Rob Halford so they're totally Metal of course.
i dont particularly have a problem with bands that are commericaly succsefull, my problem with babymetal is that they are a corporate creation from the ground up. That just doesnt feel right for me.
@@islaymassive1530 I mean pretty much all successful metal acts are corporate to some degree. They have productions teams and companies (or labels) that manage them. How and when the band was created becomes less important when music is about the end product, less about the process. I honestly don't really care whether the band was formed in one of the member's mom's basement 15 years ago or whether it was the brainchild of music producer if the music good, that's all that matters.
Some people might not like hearing that, but in my opinion that makes you more of a metalhead than most of these "elitists". Because what does a metalhead care what other people think about their music? For me, it is precisely these "elitists" who have already lost the basic ideals of metal and these are the people who are not really metalheads.
Dude BabyMetal is freaking badass! They started me down my musical journey to discovering MANY Japanese bands that are all incredibly talented and innovative. Anyone who hasn't given them a chance, or the Japanese metal scene in general, do yourself a favor and check them out! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Honestly the debate about Babymetal just comes down to the fact that they're young Japanese women and they don't sound like the voices we usually hear in metal
I mean... yeah, not necessarily the japanese woman part, but kawaii vocals just freak me out, i don't find it cute at all because it's essentially baby talk in another language or at least that's how i understand it There's also the fact that they are essentially part of a "production line" for their talent agency, probably one of the main reasons for their music leaving a bad taste in my mouth ( i only heard them live at a sabaton concert, so maybe i don't know enough)
@@thefruitman3200 when it comes to Japanese music and groups, I sort of figured that this was the total norm. The whole, founded by an agency thing. But I mean, if they actually have good voices, stage performance, is it not okay? I feel like a lot more talent would be exposed this way if it were more acceptable in other countries.
@@sarahhenry3607 Honestly, almost anyone can be a good singer given time. It's mostly a matter of practice. The problem they might have with it is in japan the agency scene is based on finding someone with the right look and pruning them into a singer and dancer who follows whatever song and dance the agency hands them, usually around a very specific theme. Talent is really not the name of the game, looking a specific way to fit into a mold is. Anyone trying to go their own way is often crushed under agencies who don't want any competition. It's a very EA way of doing things.
@@FastForwardPlans I totally get what you're saying, and while I do agree with some parts of it.. regardless of how we put this, vocals are the one thing that everyone tends to focus on first, and yes while anyone with enough practice has the ability to be a decent singer, its still something that takes these people insane hours of dedication to be able to accomplish. And to be better than decent? phew... Not to mention all the dances that they need to learn in the process for each different song! So I think what im saying is... Yeah they may have been hired and brought into this scene cause they are cute. But they also are putting their entire energy into it. Ya have to admit, the gals aint half-assing anything. And ya know, i think thats pretty fuckin metal lol
@@sarahhenry3607 I'm not saying they are bad, surely they worked hard, harder than most, the agency scene is pretty dang stressful where a lot of demands are placed on the people who get into it, with many singers being tossed to the wayside pretty hard if they don't go fast enough. Babymetal probably work very hard every day to get that sound. But the thing behind them, the agencies are what is offputting. Organizations that craft people into something and create these roles out of them.
I had no standing in this debate before this video, i had no idea what baby metal was. This simultaneously is the most adorable, most hilarious thing ive ever seen. 10/10 is metal.
I went to the live tour in Milano (Italy) this year and it was AMAZING. They have so much energy and it was so fun, the coreography was awesome, the music was so good and everyone was having a blast!
I couldn't agree more man. I think my favorite thing hearing about baby metal was when they met rob zombie and someone told rob that they lost respect for him because he had them open for him at a concert and rob zombie said "those women out there performing known as baby metal is more metal than you will ever be." Which just made me so happy and i gained more respect not only for baby metal but rob zombie as well. Great performers, love the music, i usually wait to see how a performer is either personally or in their daily life if they make it public to see how i really like them. If they are jerks and just down right assholes, i don't listen to them.
@@CloakingDonkey your analogy doesn't work. You can dislike something but still acknowledge its identity. The analogy would be if they were saying McDonalds wasn't food at all. Which it is, it's just food that isn't very good for you.
@@Sassaparilla Babymetal sure is music but much like Mickey D's isn't fine dining... ;^) Is it really an analogy anyway, if I'm just making fun of an ad hominem clown comment?
@@CloakingDonkey yes? Joke or not, you made an analogy. You compared the relationship of Baby Metal with Metal to the relationship between McDs and Food, even if a flawed comparison, still an analogy nonetheless. Making fun of something doesn't change it. It just makes you look like as much of a jackass as OP, especially when you do it by making fun of someone who is entirely innocent to the situation.
I mean the one and only definitive identifier for "metal" is a distorted guitar, if the song contains one it can in-fact be considered "metal". After that it's up to the artists if they want to associate themselves to metal.
The fact that the oldest of the group got fucking crucified for her birthday during a concert, and people are still debating whether or not they're metal.
They supported Metallica in Seoul, RHCP in the UK, Guns & roses in Japan & so much more. I don’t care what anyone says they’re pretty metal to me & I love them. I’m a 46 y.o. metal head btw listening to metal since I was 10 or so. 👉🦊👈 👉🦊👈 👉🦊👈
another good band that reminded me of this video is this band called "Balzac", my father showed me them and said it sounded alot like Misfits, I'd check em out if you like punk.
I love different aesthetics in metal and rock. Babymetal has cutesy vocals, cute style of clothing along with cute dance moves but still is very metal. Malice Mizer has a catchy yet unique kind of sound, they wear makeup and have long hair, their outfits are described has classic gothic opera type clothing but still have rock in their music Both are j-music groups their great.
Seen 'em live at the Sony theater in NYC. The band is insane - so talented, every dude. And they all get lengthy solos when they play live - the bassist, both guitarists and the drummer all do lengthy solos in concert, and they're all amazingly talented. And damn - these girls work so hard on stage. All the dancing...it looks like so much work. And they play for like 2 hours. It was a much, much better show than I thought it would be. They play so much faster live they do on the studio, and they do the whole 'Fox Mask' thing mid way thru. The music is catchy as hell somehow, and the riffs are hard as nails. And yes - the girls are adorable, the lead singer is amazing, and the two sidekicks are always racing around, and they all do special dances for every song. BabyMetal is great.
I cant remember all the details but i remember this super famous heavy metal star said on twitter that they love thier take on metal and some random dude said that they didn't know anything about metal and that got a good laugh out of me
