Is Beast Gohan REALLY that Strong? 

It’d be pretty BEAST of you to like the video…okay I’ll see myself out 🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️

Another thing about black frieza, he didn't just impale gas, he made him crumble to bits. It is established that gasses ability to be the strongest in the universe continuously scales above other rising powers leading to his age increase and growing power. When black frieza shows up, his power is so great that when gas tries to scale above it, he crumbles to dust.

Freiza really just went -one shots everyone -refuses to elaborate -leaves

This is why I love this channel. With all the blanket statements that were made when describing the power levels of Super Hero, you connected them to actually make sense! I originally speculated there was no way Gohan could surpass UE or MUI this easily and this is the evidence needed to back it up for now

For me, Vegeta’s statement about Jiren further enforces the idea that this movie only follows the Manga. Especially since in the Anime Jiren is able to fight against Goku, Vegeta, and 17 at the same time and is able to defeat them with his Aura.

Considering Broly has never had a serious fight/challenge until Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta, it makes you wonder how much potential for growth he still has. It's possible just a zenkai could be massive for him just as it used to be for Goku and Vegeta. Heck, just the training he did in Super Hero could make him already surpass everyone who was briefly above him him. Broly is a character that can be as strong as he needs to be and it makes sense narratively speaking.

I have a feeling that Beast Gohan was inspired by fan interpretations of Hyper Sonic. They both have white hair that slants up in the back, they both have red eyes, and they're both ridiculously, absurdly, unimaginably powerful.

Jiren's perfect power control was actually displayed in the Anime as well. His Ki barrier only blocked attacks he could see coming. If he was caught off-guard(as he was by Android 17) or overwhelmed(as with Goku and Vegeta failing to fight in sync) his passive Ki barrier wasn't strong enough to protect him from damage. But he could tank attacks far stronger than those if he knew they were coming, which heavily implies that his raw power wasn't actually that much more than Goku and Vegeta, but his Ki control was so great that with proper focus he could achieve far greater feats.

6:54 "and leaves" Damn that hits hard

The movie is really good at scaling within itself, but has a hard time going outside of itself due to the multiple continuities

It's very possible that Broly stagnated when it comes to power by the time of Super Hero, after all, his priority shouldn't be getting stronger, but learning to control the power he already has.

Was talking about this with one of my friends a while back. That Beast is Gohan going a step further beyond 'Potential Unleashed' which was him achieving a power in his base form equivalent to any of his Super Saiyan forms. He's powerful to a point where you might as well consider him to always be Super Saiyan 3 with none of the draw backs (even if I'm pretty sure we never actually saw him go 3, hahaha). And so Beast is kinda like him being able to go Super Saiyan while already having gone Super Saiyan. And that this is with Gohan still only using normal Ki, not Godly Ki, which is totally crazy when you think about it. Super Saiyan Blue is essentially achieving a level of ki control to the degree of being able to go Super Saiyan with Godly Ki. Presumably this means that if Gohan could get Godly Ki and then train up to achieve Blue, he might be able to take it a step further and achieve a Beast version of Blue. Of course that gets into speculation, hahaha. I always liked the theory/concept that each grade of Super Saiyan was just improving output by overclocking the body, that SS, SS2, and SS3 were essentially achieving a high enough level of ki control that they can 'condense' their ki which allowed for a higher output without overtaxing the body, and that SS4 was at its core a more 'physical' transformation improving the physical body itself which in turn allowed for overall better ki production, control, and condensation. Presumably within this concept Beast would just be a further level of condensing one's ki beyond SS3. And then that Godly Ki is essentially improving your 'fuel source' to a much more efficient fuel, with Blue then being the first step of condensing it, presumably with further transformations into a Blue 2, Blue 3, or Blue Beast all being possible after that, and by mastering SS4 and Blue then a Blue 4 as well. Though I suppose that Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego kind of throw a wrench into things from there, hahaha. I remember seeing people theorizing that Perfected Ultra Instinct was going to be the precursor to SSB2, since it was a further increase to Ki control after Blue, but that's yet to be seen.

Gohan has basically always been the power ceiling with the caviat that he rarely reaches his full potential for more than a moment. Gohan's power is less of a plateau like it is for his father and more a spike. He demonstrates what is theoretically possible (which nicely fits with him being the study guy) rather then actually setting a bar. He might have very well been the strongest in beast form. But overall, due Gohan's nature, that's of little consequence.

I get the feeling that if Goku and Vegeta showed up the battle would be over super quick with with everyone's power put together.

to quote tfs, "Gohan is the strongest in the universe but he doesnt do crap!"

The issue is Dr. Hedo is said to be smarter than gero, and gero made androids waaay stronger than frieza after watching the saiyan saga battles.

Im not a hardcore fan that follows everything that happens in the Dragon Ball universe, but I'm certain the reason why a lot of people question Gohan and Cell Max is because of the suddenness of all these power-ups. Sure, it's been mentioned before that Goku and Vegeta are reaching their max potential that even zenkai boost no longer grants any significant power-ups to them. Their progression is only going to slow ever more even when they're training with Gods and Angels. However, regardless of that info, Goku and Vegeta have been consistently training and fighting. They've been the powerhouse of the entirety of Universe 7 with the exception of deities through all their battles and sacrifices, and we've witnessed them be pushed to be stronger time and time again. Yet suddenly these new Androids rivals their power because the story demands it. Yeah, totally make sense that a mortal scientist even with data can create robots powerful enough to match two saiyans with powers that can surpass gods of destruction. Since it's been pointed out that Jiren is actually stronger than his Universe's God of destruction, it only makes sense that with all their power-ups since the ToP, Goku and Vegeta are vastly stronger than Gods of destruction as well. Like, you're really going to expect people to accept that a scientist out there can just pop out robots stronger than Gods of Destructions leisurely? The story so far have made it clear that Angels are so strong that they're straight up not allowed to fight anyone seriously otherwise they vanish, and these Angels are responsible for training gods of destructions, and Goku and Vegeta are literally training with Whis and Beerus. Sure, it's not just any scientist, it's Gero's grandson, Dr. Hedo. But who cares? Doesn't change the fact that Toriyama just allowed a nerd out there to create androids that can take on gods. Above all else, expect Gohan and Piccolo to just catch up at the snap of a finger? Gohan got a bit angry and boom, becomes stronger than two Saiyans constantly training and fighting to become stronger? Sure, it's repeatedly mentioned about how high Gohan's potential can be, and that was the whole point of the Super Hero movie. But to just hand the title of strongest over to him simply because he got angry? Then there's Piccolo, catching up to Goku and Vegeta because of a wish? Like damn, power-ups and universal powers are just being given away like a bargain sale. Maybe all the humans should find Shenron and ask to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta now. All the hard-work, sacrifices, training? All useless. There's no reward to training, just make a bloody wish or get angry. Long story short, power-levels are a fucking joke, and it's all over the place. There's no consistency at all. Toyotaro, Toriyama- even their decisions on power-scaling are a joke because they'll just make whoever they want to be as powerful as they need to be when time comes without any good narrative or build-up to it. Cell Max, Gohan, Piccolo, Black Freeza, all their insane power-ups are as ridiculous as Jiren's reason for becoming so powerful. His master was killed, so he vowed to become strong to bring evil to Justice? Vegeta's entire planet was blown up for crying out loud.

Well considering he trained the minimum of everyone else

Well i do hope after defeating cell max, gohan actually starts to listen to piccolos advice and prioritizes training.

Man imagine a fusion between gohan and broly.. I want to see that

I think what the beast transformation actually is, is layering similar to ssjb except it's Gohan's ultimate transformation with ssj on top. More specifically ssj2 since the entirety of superhero is a call back to the red ribbon army, the cell games, and a way to level the playing field for the other two most popular characters.

AMAZING VIDEO, most powerscaling videos just take things way too slowly by going over unnecessary detail at a painful pace but this video is short and yet is still able to bring all the evidence possible to let the viewers decide their own stance. The faster presentation and editing made this video feel far more than just 10 minutes. Incredible work, Carthu.

0:49 Broly was lucky goku skipped this

it seems pretty plausible that the broly statement was referring to a broly that has started training with whis, which would be past any previous statements about who is the strongest in the universe, he would also be training with the greatest master of marshal arts in the universe and he is stated to have the most potential out of any saiyan so this level of growth might be consistent.

This was always my thing...I love Beast Gohan and was impressed with the Super Hero movie. But I think it's very difficult to just flat out say "Gohan sweeps" after everything we saw in the Granolah arc from a feats perspective. Cell Max's feats aren't really comparable with something like Gas and Granolah. But this is honestly why I love Super's storytelling, even if it is a little messy. It's not linear, it keeps people's growth and evolutions as always changing. I think Vegeta's quote when he fought Granolah exemplies this the best.

It's wild how powerful Gohan got with one transformation. Insane even. The Beast transformation's multiplier is upwards of 100s of millions of times base. Insane. Just crazy.

I think all of it was very reasonable, and I agree, and with the added note for Broly fans (like me) that Broly isn't getting stronger anymore as he is learning to control his power. Broly's power growth is the fastest in the Universe, outpacing even Gas with the DragonBall wish... but he isn't ready to control such power. So his training is to learn to control his power rather than increase it, which is why he's falling behind for now.

I think your last option is the most likely because Broly has some statements that contradicts the entire Granola arc as well. The statement is "once Broly goes on a Rampage no MAN can stop him." Man in this sentence is most likely referring to mortals and even in the Granola arc Goku and Vegeta are still considered mortal since the dragon says he can't make Granola stronger than the Gods, but can make him the strongest mortal. So this would mean UI Goku and UE Vegeta wouldn't be able to stop Broly and it's debatable if them fusing is considered in this statement. So a completed Cell Max being able to beat Broly is insane if you think of it that way. Toriyama clearly wants Broly to stay ahead of Goku and Vegeta at least for a while and Beast Gohan being so strong that Cell Max couldn't even break through his aura is insane. this might even mean a current

7:55 I’d say FPSSJ Broly > Black Frieza > Beast Gohan = MUI Goku > Cell Max > TUI Goku = UE Vegeta = Orange Piccolo

I'm just glad they finally put some respect on Gohans name .

This makes me think about a potential Gohan Vs Frieza fight. It would be interesting to see a proper rematch

Watching this, I thought it was over after the tier list, then you brought up Broly and I looked at the remaining time on the video.

This is gonna be a good one!

8:19 Oooooooooohhhh. I always found that line that Vegeta stated about Jiren completely baffling. Especially since Jiren was completely bodying literally everyone in the tournament with ease or at the very most, moderate pressure (before MUI Goku). But I forgot that the Manga Jiren wasn't as broken as his anime counterpart.

For me Beast Gohan Form looks very similar to Ultra Instinct Goku, but the difference here is that Goku in Ultra Instinct can easily avoid almost all attacks, while Gohan Beast having insane boost to Strength and Endurance.

It's always good when Carthage uploads a video even if it's several months apart. 😎👍

We haven't seen the true potential of Beast Gohan yet... We will see very soon how far gohan is stronger than everyone else. We are going to get a Gohan and black frieza fight when the animé returns I can feel specially after Gohan mentioning to frieza that he will stop him the next time he attacks earth.

In all honesty, I could see a second broly movie where he basically looks like "ssj4" but they call it something like "primal super Saiyan". I like the idea of each Saiyan making their final "super Saiyan" form their own thing. Like they're all unique

I am pretty sure beast is his final form. I think the beast form infact is, a super version of the ultimate form. Unlocking it through rage and releasing much more of your potentinal when in the ultimate form unlocks the form that fits you most. Piccolos is orange piccolo and Gohan's is beast Gohan. That's why it is a completely new and unique transformation. But that's just a theory..

Odd, since Gohan in Ultimate couldn't even fight against Moro's minion who was using Moro's power while Blue Goku was moving so fast no one could see him but Moro and Joco

The fact they can pump out androids strong enough to be multidimensional & multiuniversal leagues of power is fcking ridiculous

The problem with the whole "They're close to Goku and Vegeta" information that they give for certain villains or "side characters" is that, they don't specify what form they are close to, we're left to guess or assume, which creates. . .controversy. Which is why I appreciate you kind of pointing that out in 5:00

I really feel like "The Strongest In The Universe" will be an entirely new character with insane potential/power, but I hope that's not the case.

2:12 wait that means Piccolo is stronger than Jiren. What the hell!!

I think Gohan will become the strongest in the Universe but Goku will become an Angel and Vegeta will turn into a God of Destruction.

I hope the anime adaption of Cell Max gives us a perfected version with the OG Cell’s memories, that way we can have a real rematch between Gohan & Cell

Power scaling in this anime has just gotten f***in ridiculous

The real question for how strong Beast Gohan is, isn't simply asking how strong, but more asking how the whole Potential Unleashed (PU) form works. When Gohan had his potential unlocked by the Elder Kai, he was told that was his 'complete potential', he no longer needed to turn Super Saiyan, because he was naturally stronger, but that doesn't really add up to previous statements. Gohan had his potential unlocked in the Namek Saga as well, but didn't suddenly become as strong as his Buu Saga self (There are some arguments that it was because Grand Elder Guru was old, but either way...). It seems much more likely that the "unlock" only puts out as much power, as the person realistically has the ability to gain upon training. If Gohan had continued to train after the Cell Games, to the same degree that Vegeta did (maybe even training with him; possibly including the time chamber), Gohan would likely be leagues above his Potential Unlocked State without even having his potential unlocked; NOT that he still couldn't have it unlocked. I think of it similarly to Babidi's magic, which allowed Vegeta to close the gap between himself and Goku (supressed), and break through the SSJ wall. In Gohan's case, it allowed him to break past the SSJ2 wall and achieve a power even greater than Goku's/Gotenk's SSJ3. Potential Unleashed in its most basic expression, seems to function as a written in "wall breaker"; very similar to Gas's ability when he wishes to be the strongest. It seems to allow Gohan to scale either slightly above, or noticeably above an enemy in a time where it's necessary for him to do so. That would explain why Gohan, after re-unlocking his Potential Release State, was able to match SSJB Goku. Gohan might not be able to feel God Ki (I say 'might' because I don't think he ever stated himself that he couldn't and Elder Kai's Magic is Divine in its own right, but he could clearly understand the realm of power, using Frieza's Golden Form as reference). So, using the "wall breaker" explanation, When Gohan trained with Piccolo, after training on his own, and having the Universe Tournament Exhibition, the "wall" he had to break was the Godly levels of power of SSJG and SSJB. It's also never clearly said that he COULDN'T use the Super Saiyan forms again, just that at the time, there wasn't a need, because with his increase in power, he was already beyond the SSJ forms. We also see in this movie that he can cycle through the forms as he chooses, SSJ, SSJ2, and PU. It's clear that Potential Unleashed is his SSJ3*, but his PU Form essentially takes over his Base Form, which as his Base Form grows stronger, his PU Form does as well, because there's more power to draw from. With all of that exposition out of the way, here's what I think. I think that Potential Unlock is a multi-level form, much like the SSJ transformations. Once your potential is unlocked, as you age, train, and learn, your body changes and your mind changes too. Your potential can never fully met because everyone can grow stronger. What happens is you hit a power ceiling, like Vegeta in the Buu Arc. When Gohan fought Buu, that was all the power he would have had access to, at that point. When he unlocked it again against Piccolo, his body adjusted to the level of power he was striving to meet, breaking through the power ceiling. After training constantly for years before the movie takes place, then fighting against the Gamma's, and then Cell Max, out a need for higher power, and to protect his daughter/mentor, he broke that power ceiling again, but because he was already in PU, it resulted in an actual transformation. Obviously the name 'Beast' is canon, but I think the form is better received and explained as Full Potential Super Saiyan 2; FPSSJ2 for short. It explains the transformation, the major leap in power, and the headcanon that it's never stated he Can't go SSJ while using Potential Unleashed, he just never tried, since he was told he wouldn't need to use the forms because PU was stronger (strong enough for the time).

It might be wishful thinking but it seems like he sees the error he made in not building up Gohan. During the Cell Saga Gohan became a lot of people’s favorite, what he did to him after was a crime lol. Hope this is a shift in making Gohan a top tier player in Dragon Ball

Gohan just switched to creative mode for a bit and switched back, Goku STAYS in hardcore mode 24/7

we just have to wait manga version of beast gohan and oramge piccolo and see toyotaros perspective. than we will be 100 percent sure who is the strongest. also in the end of granolah sags whis told goku and vegeta that the strongest in the universe is maybe yet to be born. perhaps he is thinking of gohan in the future.

Unless we see Gohan test it out, we will never know.

3:25 Gohan in Moro ark is not even a match to super saiyan blue as he piccolo and the androids got absolutely destroyed by sabgano or whatever his name is and ssj blue goku cleared him with no diff so in Morro ark I say Gohan is the equivalent of ssj3 Goku

Shrek vs Goku

Gamma 1 & 2 "being on the level of Goku and Vegeta" probably refers to their SSB forms: SSB is the transformation they used the most on Earth (and the strongest one if you discount the manga), being even used by them in the fight against Broly. Additionally Ultimate Gohan, who can fight toe to toe with Gamma 1, has been previously shown to be on a level comparable to SSB Goku, in both anime and manga.

Loved the video carthu, but I do have some questions. As for broly, wasn't the broly they were mentioning supposed to be a currently training post granolah superhero broly? If that's the case, then wouldn't whis statement not be valid for him not being able to think of any specific warriors stronger than goku and vegeta at the moment? Because we know that there is clearly a time skip from goku and vegeta arriving back on beerus planet, picking up broly to train, and the events that transpire in superhero? Would this not mean that broly could've just surpassed goku and vegeta in that time slot and they wouldn't upscale from it? This just means goku and vegeta are below broly and cell max and rival piccolo since the statements we are given could be referencing current goku and vegeta and the gammas would be equal or above to moro arc mui goku or just blue goku and vegeta from moro arc, with ultimte gohan and piccolo being relative, then beast and orange piccolo surpassing goku and vegeta from granolah arc and even right now. So this is how I would use the scaling chain. Beast gohan>black frieza (since we know broly was hiding from frieza)>cell max>orange piccolo>=PUI goku and UE vegeta>=Gamma 1 and 2 since they were able to do damage to cell max, albeit with self destruction and still lost to piccolo. It would be great if i could hear your thoughts, @Carthu's Dojo.

If ultra instinct Goku is „super sayan“, beast Gohan is „super sayan 2‘

The movie displays a lot of similarities to the Cell Saga at the end of which gohan emerged as the strongest amongst the Z fighters. This movie may be a reference to him being the strongest of all but we haven't really seen the true extent of gohan's new power. We will have to see where the manga picks up as gohan's and piccolo's new forms are rumoured to become manga canon after the current Superhero saga.

If Gohan would end up being the warrior foretold by the oracle fish, I actually want to see him train for it. Not just getting a rage boost. That's shitty writing.

1 Goku 2 Vegeta 3 Gohan 4 Piccilo 5 Broly 6 Cell

What would have made more sense for 'Beast' gohan... they should have uses the idea of super saiyan 4. Since gohan had that special power within. He could have used his smarts to contain that beast and use it to his advantage. Would have been epic to introduce that into the lore going forward.

With Jiren, he commands energy through his eyes and barely lifts a finger. He's gotten this far without facing a foe as skilled as Goku or Vegeta so, like Broly, he can still transcend everyone with the same amount of intense training as the duo went through. Remember, both Kale and Broly have god-tier power upon their first super saiyan transformations and both are just acting on raw talent while still trying to control their rage. So, yes, Goku was indeed afraid truly because even if he was at max power, if Broly figured out SSJ2 that would be the end of him. With Gohan, we all know that he's the best; his latent potential is the highest of all the saiyans and with very little effort as we've seen him grow up. If Gohan truly wished to become strong in the way Goku and Vegeta want it, there's no doubt he'd be the strongest but I doubt that will ever happen. What I mean is Goku and Vegeta will never truly be #1 strongest due to their transformations, latent ability and prowess BUT they will be the most skilled giving them the widest arensal to work with. While, they may never truly realize that fact, Goku and Vegeta will be the strongest without actually being the "strongest" lets just say "most capable" compared to the other heroes.

dragonballs power scaling is absolutely horrible. beast gohan looks cool but come on...at what point does it just become stupid that the nerd studying in his bedroom is stronger then those who have spent years training with gods and angels.

I don't understand how "Once completed, it was supposed to be a metahuman that not even Broly would be able to beat, but he was forcibly activated early..." means that Broly is stronger than cell max. 1) Just because he says Cell Max turns into an uncontrollable monster does not mean he is weaker than Broly. 2) The two could be equivalent.

I'm starting to feel that Beast came from Ox King's lineage and Gohan foreshadowed this in DBS saying explicitly that he wanted to evolve his human powers rather than Saiyan. And in DBSSH he was doing studies on ants, EARTHLING animals discovering that they evolve when in danger he likely did research on humans and discovered they could also have transformations. And seeing how the Alpha Zombie androids were in a short scene in the movie and were brung back for the manga the Super Ants might come back in the future. Earthlings always have been naturally stronger than the average Saiyan they just haven't tapped into their potential training intensively like Goku and Vegeta and Androids are just mechanically tweaked humans and earthling bio warriors and everyone knows how OP the androids are in DB. Glad to see that Earthling are finally getting their shine

All I know is that black frieza better be aiming for beerus title and looking for those super dragon balls

Too be honest. Frieza with his amazing potential should be the strongest for a loooong time. He got to god levels in months. He trained for 10 years this time. The only people I can see catching him quickly are Uub and Broly. I say Broly because he got to god levels in hours and Uub because he technically already has god ki and supposedly the most potential of them all. Just needs training.

Black frezia is at the top

gohans fr in an aura edit: "stoping an attack w/ aura alone- +5000 aura" 💀

I like the thought of it being Frieza - Gohan - Goku/Vegeta. So that way Frieza is something to overcome again and it HAS to end with Vegeta finally getting revenge for his race and using hakai in a perfected UE form to finally rid the universe of its emperor.

We REALLY just need to get beast gohan to become canon to the manga cause REALLY REALLY wanna see how he stacks up cause Gohan needs to really.....REALLY be the MC as he was always supposed to be.

im quite certain toriyama only made these statements about gohan and piccolo being so strong because the anime went ahead and made their own plot and he was forced to agree with it to avoid the manga and anime becoming too different. its absolutely ridiculous how gohan and piccolo have essentially risen to the heights of goku and vegeta through very little effort

Beast Gohan can match or might even surpass Goku's current MUI but let's not forget what whis said that MUI isn't the end goal but just a starting point which means MUI is still the most powerful Transformation/ technique and if Goku masters it like the angels than there is no doubt he is the strongest being in the multiverse (Aside from the angels and Zeno ofc but who knows?... U never knows when Goku shows up with a new power )

I really hope they don't leave Broly behind in the dust. I'm a big fan of him and would love to see him get a new form that's on par with at least Goku and Vegeta. I would also love to see him team up with them. Having Broly join their squad would be awesome. They would definitely be an unstoppable force if that happened. Just imagine a new villain showing up and now it's not only Goku and Vegeta defending the universe but also Orange Piccolo, Beast Gohan and a new and improved Broly. The villain would probably shit his pants lol. It would be like a new age Z Squad.

When they referred to goku and vegeta, they were referring to the tournament of power ones at full power, not including ultra instinct, just blue evolution and blue Kaioken

Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo is really strong I agree. But the fact that it could be stronger than MUI is insulting. Goku has dedicated all his life to getting stronger and had to undergo impossible trials to arrive at the state even gods of destruction had not achieved. Wtf did gohan do to get such power? Literally twiddle his thumbs studying and not giving a damn about getting stronger unless the earth was in danger. If orange Piccolo is that strong its more digestible since he also always wanted to get stronger. But Gohan? He doesn't deserve such power

I really agree with everything, personally. think your 2nd power scale was close to if not entirely perfect. One inconsistency though, Goku and Vegetas new forms are god ki based, yet earlier in battle of God's it was stated the only way to read God ki is by possessing it yourself, so how did anybody scale goku and vegeta? I don't recall Gohan or Piccolo attaining God ki, and I'm pretty sure the guy who made the androids doesn't have God ki either.

Bro how does piccolo know that gamma 1/2 are around the same strength of Goku they haven’t fought since dragonball ball

😢 before Akira toryama passed away he confirmed that Beast Gohan is stronger than tui goku

I agree with Gohan Beast being the new ceiling of power and sitting above Goku and Vegeta. Feels like they're shaking things up from the Goku being the strongest and saving the day story which happens for each saga. Can't say for sure about Black Frieza but I think Gohan wins in a close fight. Gohan has always been that guy with the most latent potential so it makes sense he's the strongest. Interesting to see how he compares to Beerus... it's getting a little old/boring with Beerus being multiple tiers above everyone. Takes away from the urgency and tension of big battles because you know if shit hits the fan and there is a universal threat he could just step in. Angels can't fight or interfere so I think things will only get really interesting again when a threat stronger than Beerus shows up... something even TUI/UE Gogeta can't beat. Then Gohan and Broly fuse and we get a Legendary Beast mode Brohan fusion who is angel tier to save the day.... that would be awesome.

This is all assuming Jiren has just been doing nothing since the tournament... And poor Piccolo. He always becomes strongest for like 20 seconds before a Saiyan just passes him again.

My take on broly is that he goes back to his beginning power level after he calms down. So since his power is not consistently able to go max unless he rages. The universe wouldn't register him as the strongest because he's kind of an anomaly

This will finally be answered on DBS 103 😅

Why is black frieza so strong that he can defeat ui goku and ue vegeta by one shot

Sooo is Gohan really the Legendary Super Saiyan? since the Angrier he gets like Hulk or Broly, the More he power ups even without training?

Hmm since control over the power you already have is becoming such an important theme in super as you point out... I wonder what'll happen with Broly if he learns to completely control his rage and power in a fight? Losing control is like his thing, what makes him strong... but maybe with control he's an even more incomparable monster.

I've always wondered how the Broly movie would've gone if Goku used Kaioken or UI. Blue Gogeta should be at least 200x stronger than Goku or Vegeta, which puts SSB Kaioken x20 beneath Blue Gogeta. But how much more powerful is UI? Is UI Goku on par with Blue Gogeta?

I'm interested 😀 If we take the manga story we have so far, I reckon both him and Piccolo now in that circle with MUI Goku, UE Vegeta, and a full powered Broly is of course. Probably not above either Goku or Vegeta since what's happened in the story, and since they're literally been training since the Granolah Saga to surpass Black Frieza. However, if we just wanna just count DBS Broly as the last cannon material that's happened, then apparently he's stronger. 😅 Definitely an interesting topic depending on who you ask

I wonder what the next thing Gohan does will be. I bet he will slack on his training.

Since new chapters released, you should make a part 2 of this video since CONTROLLED SSJ BROLY was almost on par with beast. Idk with yall's, what do you think?

As much as I like Gohan is now finally getting the respect he deserves , he shouldn't be this strong . Just in the span of a few hours he came from top power to mui and ue level. You could say this is the same for broly , but that's cause he's the legendary super Saiyan . I get Gohan's potential, but don't make him that broken

Ain’t no way bro said Jiren was stronger than Granolah 💀

I've been waiting so long for Carthu DBSSH coverage 💞💞💞 I'll try to schedule an opening to see the premier

I’m just wondering how much more powerful will they make these character. I’m a huge fan, but if when Goku and beerus faced off the shook the universe. Since everyone’s been so much more powerful. When will there ever be a limit? The universe is bound to get destroyed.

Black Frieza:- < Enters the room

I hope they say Gohan is the strongest cause they’ve been basically saying that for decades and hopefully some characters development to get Gohan to start training. Plus I want Gohan to be relevant again 😢

black frieza will still be the strongest for a very long time, since he trained for so many years with the goal of staying on top of every saiyan transformation/ascension. i am happy that gohan is going back into the fray for once after so long, but i doubt he’ll be the strongest when the manga is finally animated. whether it aligns with the movies/manga or not, he’s going to get surpassed quickly or he’ll be shown to be weaker somehow

bear in mind, broly has hardly done any proper training. he's been on beerus' planet not nearly as long as goku and vegeta, and being a saiyan, he has tons of room to grow. same can be said for beerus. i'm the granolah arc, he said that because of his mindset, he has infinite potential for growth. on top of that, he's never actually gone all out before (except against the other Destroyer Gods in the manga), so it's not accurate to say that either Beerus or Broly are anywhere near their peak.

I didn't realize that Gamma's 1 and 2 had personalities that resembled Vegeta and Goku, respectively, until I heard you point out that they were designed to match and counter Vegeta and Goku's combat abilities. That connects with the outcome of their fight on Beerus' planet shown in the final scene of the movie, with Vegeta, the victor, being #1, and Goku, the loser, being #2.

You're definitely a DB scaler worth his salt.