Lol well done on this comment. Fouad I was just as frustrated when your boys kept arguing bodybuilding is a skill lol. Maybe 8ts a Canadian thing i would love to hear Ian's opinion
I agree with Fouad about "is bodybuilding a skill". I 99% agree with him. Bodybuilding is a skill but there is so little skill involved anybody could do it.
@@dexterlines1735 what skill is there to lifting and eating? Posing is a skill but easily mastered. Add carefulness into the mix - not getting injured. And health - taking the proper medication and pills and vitamins and shit. And checking the doctor.
BB does require skill. Posing well is a skill. Prepping and knowing how to prep your body for a show is a skill. Aside from what Ben said, mind muscle connection does require skill as well.
@@bostonstrongpatriots8881 oh I understand that. But they only touched on the mechanics of lifting weights. I’m just bringing up a side to BB that they didn’t touch on. Which, IMO, I feel like most pro BB treat their craft with the same energy and focus like NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc players put in theirs. We are just so used to it and think it’s more natural that we forget that average joes probably would fail at BB just as much as they would in another sport.
Father of 4, train at 4:15 in the morning before going to work, get home go to practices. None of that stops me. I’m more driven and made more progress in the last year following that then the previous 5 years combined. If you want it bad enough it’ll get done. Thank you for another great podcast
57:50 what I tell anyone when they ask why I don’t miss, I know every training session, every day I miss a meal or two, is prolonging me that much more from achieving what I want
Being an elite quarterback is a skill but it takes longer to develop. Executing a squat with perfect form is a skill but it is usually mastered quicker. I think fouad is focused on time to develop.
Right whether it takes a long time to develop or a short time, it still takes skill… plus time is only relative to each individual it may take one person a week while it may take another a month… I can think of a couple people who have taken a long time trying to get Mind to muscle connection on certain body parts. Also just you can execute a lift perfectly but doesn’t mean you have acquired mind muscle connection to really feel it in the muscle and grow.
For me bodybuilding contains of many skills. execution of an exercise is a skill, intensity is a skill. Yes, technique-wise it is easier than for example boxing to learn. But boxing is not just throwing a straight right the same lifting is not just benching in one particular way. Overall you can develop a decent skills for bodybuilding (considering other factors like genetics) faster than in other sports. BUT you wont get in any sport only on skill the same is bodybuilding. Even skill of eating a lot (its a skill no doubt, it took me YEARS, but for some it could take month. thats genetics in a way) is kinda hard to develop. Or diet and plan the day. Btw getting skills for great performances in boxing does not takes much time. But getting everything work together thats a hard part. Same with bodybuilding. But technique for bb is easier and faster to learn, sure.
Pretty much laughed beginning to end on this one, minus the skill argument part, where I was yelling at Fouad that it takes longer than one week to perfect a squat. Probably took me years to get the perfect technique down. We've all heard bodybuilders/powerlifters talk about tweaking technique over the years and figuring out what's best for your body. Foot placement, hand placement, high bar, low bar, how far toes are pointed out, elevated heels, flat soles, barefoot. Took me years to find out exactly what works best for me, and I'm still learning, which is something all the old guys always say. We're always learning and perfecting technique. We are always learning and perfecting our SKILL.
Yeah I was laughing so hard, like you can teach someone to squat in a week but it can be perfected more, it's like saying you can teach someone to shoot a basketball into the hoop in a week too but what makes someone better at it .. haha I loved this episode, love Fouad it was a great argument but I was also yelling saying CMON FOUAD!! lmao
Hey Fouad! Honestly I came across these about 3 months ago. And I'm almost caught up with all the bro chats. Seriously entertaining and motivational content. You, ben and guy fucking rock! Love every single one of em. Thanks for the quality as well as the quantity. I don't have any social media, so maybe pass along to the other guys it's always appreciated. 💪🦍👍
For the skill argument: - anyone with good genetics who gives everything to become a pro will become a pro bodybuilder - not everyone with good genetics for football will become a pro NFL player
Fouad is a real one for coming out with it. Pro bodybuilders of course are gonna get butthurt if you try to demean their careers and all their hard work as something that doesn't require skill. Bodybuilding really is just living a certain way and having the discipline to adhere to that lifestyle for a prolonged period of time. Of course doing various exercises properly and with correct intensity requires skill, but it's comparable to learning how to ride a bike, or rollerblading.
100% agree with Fouad. BB is no way a skill in the classic sense that involves mastering a technique. throwing a football, hitting a golf ball or performing a gymnastic move. Ability to grow muscle is a genetic trait which does not have to be practiced, refined and mastered in the same way.
I agree with Fouad. For the most part anyone can do bodybuilding, no skill required. Just follow the process. The elite succeed due to genetics, consistency and determination. Unfortunately most bodybuilders don’t like to admit they have no real skills 😅
As someone who is into powerlifting, I can 100% say, squat, bench and dead is a skill.. No matter how much you do it, no matter how good you think your form is, you will always learn more. Learning to squat with perfect form to lift the most weight possible suited to your biomechanics is comparable to learning to shoot hoops Edit: maybe bodybuilding doesn't come under that, but for sure powerlifting does
Me personally being a national athlete (tennis player) who has now shifted focus to build muscle, can vouch that although both crafts do require skill playing a sport does require some skills or types of shots that require much more time to build when compared to a bodybuilding movement, but then again it does take time to build strength and muscle if you want to equate that to learning a particular shot or move in a sport. So may be the fruit of being skillfull at a sport is being good at it and the fruit of building of being skillfull at bodybuilding is being more muscular, hence they could be considered equal in terms of skill considering the end 'fruit' as the result.
@@FouadAbiad i think he means the skills learned in each have different time frames, to learn a skill in tennis takes longer then it might in a bodyuilding movement or lift, both skills, but one takes more practice to enhance the technique.
@@FouadAbiad If looked at that simply-no, pro tennis does seem harder, but I can safely say that practicing a tennis forehand for 6 months you'd be able to hit a technically sound shot, but it takes way longer for people to build a mind muscle connection for the back- thus muscle fiber recruitment for growth,enhancing that to perform be able to get the most out of a simple movement that can be learned in a day - can be considered the "skill" of bodybuilding , although just the movements might be way easier and faster to learn than other sports but it takes the same amount of time to get really good at them to perform them at a high level where they are beneficial and conducive to the task at hand? don't you think?
The thing is ramy was much bigger in the screen (you can see his head is at the same height while his feet are way lower than the other's) so it makes him look soo much better
anyone can go to the gym and do a machine preacher curl (even if they have never gymmed) but no one can know how to throw at first try. Bodybuilding takes very low skill level but the highest level discipline , while other sports takes high skill level but not as hard discipline. MY OPINION haha
Neural drive mind muscle connection and understanding what your body is telling you is definitely a skill alot of people are taking insane amounts of drugs but only a few can bench from 600 to 700 lbs, only a few people know when to train, what to train when they should load or deload
Bodybuilding is just like throwing a ball. They’re both learned and perfected by different people. Bodybuilders can learn to control their cravings when they’re in a calorie deficit, they learned that which is a skill. To a bodybuilder controlling cravings seems simple but to the average person they can’t control those cravings. The takeaway here is give yourself a little more credit. Bodybuilding is mentally tough and learning to be mentally tough is a skill.
Im with fouad on this. Bodybuilding takes a lot of things - dedication, intensity, strength, character etc but it is not a skill in the same way other proffesional Sports are
i agree with fouad when your setting aside the weight lifted, intensity of training, motivation etc and you purely look at skill compared to basketball i belive basketball requires a superior amount of skill. skill meaning the act of performing the thing such as bodybuilding training or playing basketball, basketball requires hand eye co-ordination, how to get past other players, positions, strategy, critical thinking, the mind muscle connection of shooting hoops from different distances and appropriatly judging the distance to get the ball through the hoop. whereas with bodybuilding sure there is some skill for example perfecting a squat with form, mind muscle connection etc but they are not compariable. you could actually say michealle jordan has the same SKILL doing a squat as a pro bodybuilder but he DOES NOT lift heavy or train as intense as a pro bodybuilder which is aside from skill.
@@greatbuilder100 mastering poses is nowhere in near the skill level of other sports tho not even close. u could get 90% perfection on a pose in a week
Allow me to settle this. Is Bodybuilding a Skill? No, it's a pageant. Is Football a Skill? No, it's a sport. Is throwing a football a skill? No, it's an action. Is Squatting a Skill? No, it's also an action. Now getting deeper. Is throwing that Football the way Tom Brady does a Skill? Yes, because it requires precision, accuracy and force. The same way connecting to the muscle recruitment it would require to Breakdown the tissue to grow within a Squat. It's not the Squat itself that is the Skill. It's the ability to feel that muscle through its range of motion. Just doing the action isn't enough in Bodybuilding anyways. And to Ben and Nick's point, when Ronnie squatted that 800+lbs , it was very much so a Skill to be able to hold that amount of weight and also ensure it was those muscles targeted. Learning any action within anything isn't a skill. Whether it be Bodybuilding or Football or Basketball. But to develop the action into how it is performed and executed is 100% skill based. Loved the argument guys. Love the podcast always. 😁😁
Being a basketball, football, soccer etc player takes years and years not just because of the skill component but also the whole tactical side of it, discipline side of it, athleticism, gaining experience, being able to get into teams etc. I was a semi pro soccer player and I know what it takes to get to the top and the reasons why so many don't make it. There's thousands of people out there who are just as skilful if not more than many pro players that don't make it because of all the other components it takes to be a professional. It's the same with bodybuilding, learning how to improve your squat from 1 plate to 8 plates like James takes skill and years of honing in on that technique. Yes anyone can probably pick up a bar and squat but being as good and strong as pro BB or powerlifters definitely takes skill. A skill just means the ability to do something well. Does being a basketball player require more skill than bodybuilding? yes of course because there's so many more components to being a great basketball player. But being a great bodybuilder definitely requires skill.
Skills are things you learn no matter how big or small they are. Just as Ben said, picking up a spoon is a skill that you learn. So either way, the act of squatting and the act of shooting a basketball are both skills, so are benching and dribbling. Fouad said he can teach anyone to squat with perfect form in one week (sure because he’s a pro bodybuilder), well a pro basketball player can teach someone to shoot a basketball with perfect form in one week too. With that being said, they’re both skills. There’s no difference in “skill level” between the two because anyone can learn to squat with minimal weight just like anybody can learn to shoot a basketball. The skill is the act of doing something, not the level you can do it at. Becoming a legend at something like Michael Jordan or Ronnie Coleman requires taking those basic skills, combining them, working on them day in and day out, and becoming better at them than anybody else.
Skill acquisition is the learning due to repetition that results in mastery of a specific task. With regards to bodybuilding you can argue that bodybuilders manipulating how they perform movement patterns due to individual biomechanics and individual response regarding physiological adaptations due to manipulating principles of training takes a lot of applied knowledge and skill learned over prolonged time
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Executing a squat is a skill. It requires less skill and less biomechanical alterations to perfect a “perfect” squat, than it would throw a football. I agree with Fouad in that it is hard to compare bodybuilding with basketball or football. The mostly stationary position of the body while performing bodybuilding movements is much easier to master physically and mentally. Effort and Genetics is a reasonable differentiation because in bodybuilding we can see someone do the exact same thing as someone with better genetics and not attain half the muscle.
The act of training hard and being able to put yourself through hellish training sessions day after day is more of a character trait rather than a skill. Being able to properly do exercises is a rather low-skill (but is a skill) activity as over 2-4 months you'll likely have the technique down but the strength will come with persistence. I'd say if anything ... posing at a master class level would be a higher skill than the act of training. Agree with Fouad 100%. I believe the word you were searching for is finesse. There isn't a high level of finesse needed in bodybuilding. From basketball players to quarterbacks, a very high level of finesse is needed for accuracy but then also having the correct snap decisions in a high-pressure situation also requires skill ONTOP of all of the power needed which was developed via training -- In bodybuilding, you write a plan, stick to the plan, and grind through it even when on little/no fuel. This all takes a ton of persistence rather than skill. Being able to hack squat 10 plates is strength -- that strength is developed from learning how to perform the movement correctly. Learning the movement is a skill that you put in your hat but doesn't take a lot of time to become adept. The strength is encouraged by pushing yourself hard, resting, and supporting with proper nutrition. To me, very little of this requires a high level of skill as it will come with time through our bodies' innate ability to adapt. The freaks of our sport don't perform a squat much differently than most people who know the elementary technique. The freaks of our sport have just put their nose to the grindstone and slowly progressed over a long period of time. The freaks of our sport also respond better to exercise, gear, nutrition, etc better than others. The freaks of our sport have a better work ethic and can push themselves harder and more consistently throughout the years. Being able to do all of these things and flourish is more of a trait that the individual may have rather than their skillset.
