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Is Buying A High Mileage Toyota FJ Cruiser A Good Idea? 

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Today I drive and review a high mileage Toyota FJ Cruiser!
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@flimmaytinstone8980
@flimmaytinstone8980 6 месяцев назад
I’m 62. Have owned too many vehicles to count. My 2007 fj with 170,000 miles is by far best I have ever owned. A little sunburn on the hood. Other than that it’s perfect. Trying to ind a great body shop to repaint it. Best truck ever by far.
@survivethrive2468
@survivethrive2468 5 месяцев назад
That's good to hear because I am looking at a 07 fj with 122,000 miles on it at a dealership and looks to be in great condition!
@earthling1984
@earthling1984 5 месяцев назад
I used to get cars often earlier in life (in my 20's and early 30's). Some had issues in the first three years of brand new ownership. But I got my 2012 FJ back in 2014 (I was second owner, bought with 27k miles on it, for 10k less than a new 2014 one on the same lot. Has just 86k now). Had it about 10 years now, and not a single issue. Best vehicle I've owned. I also have a 2008 Honda Civic with 165k, which has needed some minor fixes (ac compressor & tie rods or something). But overall, no real problems. I plan to keep both of these as long as no engine or transmission problems.
@Rolexor
@Rolexor 4 месяца назад
@@survivethrive2468 I have 237K on my 07 FJ. I’m in SoCal and have asked around about a couple of body shops. If you’re in the area let me know, so we can compare data.
@innertube205
@innertube205 9 месяцев назад
I scored a 2012 “FJB Edition” in November ‘22 with 169,000 on it. It now has 186,000 on it and is my daily driver of 50 or so round trip. I average 19-20 mpg. I absolutely love it!
@about2rocku
@about2rocku 9 месяцев назад
I’ve been interested in buying an FJ as a daily driver. I take it you’d recommend it based off your comment? Any issues or major cons that I wouldn’t hear about from all my RU-vid research?
@innertube205
@innertube205 9 месяцев назад
@@about2rocku I did my research on it. They all say the same thing. The Wizard and Scotty Kilmer recommended it. No visibility. Terrible fuel mileage. Suicide doors. It has plenty of visibility. If you know how to place spot mirrors on the door mirrors. I avg 19-20 mpg. I also “hyper-mile” it when I can. I wanted a 2012 or newer because of the backup camera. You will love it!!!
@innertube205
@innertube205 9 месяцев назад
Look up FJX2000 Productions. He is a wealth of information!
@studebricker2845
@studebricker2845 9 месяцев назад
FJB edition, huh? Did Brandon agree with that?
@innertube205
@innertube205 9 месяцев назад
@@studebricker2845 He had to as it’s one of a kind!!!
@R-Hoffy
@R-Hoffy 3 месяца назад
By far the best and most reliable car I’ve ever owned. On my 7th and this one is the keeper! Zero issues owning it over 1.5 years with 265,000 miles on it 20,000 put on it from me. Two 5,000 ish mile road trips. Maintenance is easy and cheap. Great buy! Couldn’t say it enough
@parny79
@parny79 8 месяцев назад
200K is barely broken in on a well maintained FJ (which pretty much means regular oil changes). I bought my son an 07 with 222K and it runs and drives perfectly and everything works. There are tons of these well north of 300-400K miles…and beyond. 😊
@MrDreams15
@MrDreams15 13 часов назад
how much did you pay?
@parny79
@parny79 11 часов назад
@@MrDreams15 bought it last October for $12K.
@johnwarr1167
@johnwarr1167 7 месяцев назад
These are great vehicles. I have a 2007 with 250k miles on it and driven daily. Other than the usual little surface rust issues that these are notorious for, it has been great! Cranks on the first try and still rides fantastic.
@nialabranson7208
@nialabranson7208 9 месяцев назад
Driving a 2010 with 240,000 on it. In five years I have driven it almost 200,000 miles with no issues other than wheel bearings on the front had to be replaced. Knock on wood will continue as my one and only drive! Reverse sensor beep shuts off by that P button below by the rear differential button. Thanks for the review!
@weirdshibainu
@weirdshibainu 9 месяцев назад
A friend of mine has 3 of these. He says the FJ never stopped being produced in Japan and it's now a near luxury trim vehicle.
@CACressida
@CACressida 9 месяцев назад
Fj was only made for the Arab market and discontinued this year. It was no different than what it was for everyone else other than a built in Air compressor and slightly different infotainment options. It was never luxury.
@magician4444able
@magician4444able 9 месяцев назад
Yes , the FJ has stopped being produced this year , The last edition was only 1000 . I have a 2022 bought before I knew the last edition will be 2023
@Jay-rg5mt
@Jay-rg5mt 9 месяцев назад
Yea due to its size they aren't super practical (since roads are smaller) and more of a higher class vehicle in Japan
@martycaldwell7197
@martycaldwell7197 9 месяцев назад
285000 , on mine have done all the maintenance myself . Best vehicle I ever owned. It's simple to use and has never given me any.problems. . Never left me stranded.
@dannnthemannn69
@dannnthemannn69 9 месяцев назад
What’s the most expensive thing you had to upkeep or fix ? I’m looking into buying one
@martycaldwell7197
@martycaldwell7197 9 месяцев назад
@@dannnthemannn69 alternator
@martycaldwell7197
@martycaldwell7197 9 месяцев назад
@@dannnthemannn69 230.00
@Grapplerfan
@Grapplerfan 5 месяцев назад
At 180,000 changed 3 timing chains, used OEM parts + pulley, water pump, Toyota RTV a must
@martycaldwell7197
@martycaldwell7197 5 месяцев назад
@@Grapplerfan wow, that's crazy
@alanhoover11
@alanhoover11 9 месяцев назад
More used car reviews!! I like seeing cars I can actually afford
@huskynoob7881
@huskynoob7881 9 месяцев назад
LX470 next 😅
@genehart261
@genehart261 7 месяцев назад
Toyota earned their reputation with exceptional quality and longevity. I recently bought an '11 FJ with 125,000 miles and have no regrets. I expect many more miles and years from it.
@FJX2000_Productions
@FJX2000_Productions 9 месяцев назад
Hey I used to work at that Toyota dealership 😂 and I had an FJ Cruiser then, and still do now! My manager also owned my same year and model of FJ and we used to love getting photos of them together, as well as another guy at the dealership with a red 2012 Trail Teams Special Edition FJ. Good times 😁
@ハルべー
@ハルべー 8 месяцев назад
I'm riding the 49,000-mile 2010 Trail Team Edition. It's a car that I want to keep for a long time.
@CACressida
@CACressida 9 месяцев назад
The beep in reverse is the rear sonar system. You can turn that off and it won't beep. Thats a pretty base truck. The suspension is literally the same as a modern SR5 4Runner lol
@ericott5779
@ericott5779 7 месяцев назад
I have a 2011 MT- bought it with 98K has 175K now. Super easy to work on. 18mpg - can do just about everything very well. Best vehicle I have ever owned. Does not have a lot of new options, but there are ways to make the FJ better with some aftermarket parts and installs if you want.
@chuckmyd
@chuckmyd 9 месяцев назад
Just lost my 2007 FJ when a distracted 17 yo ran into the passenger side rear at full speed. Her car totaled and towed away, the FJ drove away. Frame and hatch door bent and totaled. I had it since 2007 and 205,000 miles without any problems. Best vehicle I ever owned for pleasure and dependability.
@mehdiazad75
@mehdiazad75 8 месяцев назад
I just bought my 2021 version, out of curiosity. Do you have any advice on maintenance besides oil change?
@buffalodiesel1809
@buffalodiesel1809 8 месяцев назад
yes do not operate it in the winter when the Gov's salt the hwys ... it will rust away quickly
@chuckmyd
@chuckmyd 8 месяцев назад
@@mehdiazad75 I had routine recommended services every 5 thousand miles at the Toyota dealership.
@harwoods11
@harwoods11 4 месяца назад
Which is probably why you lived to tell the tale. Strong built vehicle 👍
@Rolexor
@Rolexor 4 месяца назад
My condolences. I’m sorry for your loss. 😢
@mikeschotte9480
@mikeschotte9480 7 месяцев назад
Almost 300K on my 2007 and still fantastic. I wish I had bought two of them
@johncena6701
@johncena6701 4 месяца назад
No oil issues?
@Mark-xk4xw
@Mark-xk4xw 3 месяца назад
312k on mine..best vehicle I've owned.
@krystallindsey0087
@krystallindsey0087 2 месяца назад
@mikeschotte9480 193k on my 2007 and I love it! It's technically mine but my hubby loves it so much... we wish we bought 2 as well. My sister bought one as soon as she 1st drove mine. Hers is a 2012
@gregoryunderwood4121
@gregoryunderwood4121 9 месяцев назад
It's on a dealership lot and the gas gauge shows FULL, the gauge must be broken
@weirdshibainu
@weirdshibainu 9 месяцев назад
LOL or a new lot person
@justinnabua9649
@justinnabua9649 7 месяцев назад
that fuel sender must be broken.🤣
@dallen8997
@dallen8997 3 месяца назад
2008 with 200,000 mile it’s a beast🎉 workmate has two, one with 380,000 running strong. Best I’ve ever had
@beautytransitions
@beautytransitions 3 месяца назад
I bought a 2014 with 148k on it 2 years ago. Looks like new, is my daily drive. Works for me. Get a lot of compliments on it. It is becoming a classic and a collectible.
@barbaradavis7400
@barbaradavis7400 3 месяца назад
I bought a used cruiser 2014 in 2015...I love it. I have 143000 miles. No repairs. Except I have had to replace 2 windsheilds..and they are not cheap. But it is so reliable. Had to pull some people out of dishes. But I love it
@conceptmania8436
@conceptmania8436 Месяц назад
Have a 2007 fj with 182k love it , i think its one of the best looking SUV barr none. Planting on keeping it for a long time . Also ha e a 1975 fj40 project have had it for 17 years . They always are head to head on my street parking. love them .
@lilleobrien8473
@lilleobrien8473 3 месяца назад
Love my FJ a 2008 with just over 100k It’s a great car with as much power now as it had when we first bought it.
@mikemayers8672
@mikemayers8672 9 месяцев назад
Very cool vehicle. It’s dated on the inside but outside is timeless
@arnoldguisa4155
@arnoldguisa4155 9 месяцев назад
My friend had one of these and it drives good 👌 i was very impressed how well it handles
@DYNABIKE1
@DYNABIKE1 5 месяцев назад
I laughed at the start of this asking " Is the FJ reliable " Hahahaha. If You find anything More reliable I'd like to hear about it. !!
@Shredmeista
@Shredmeista 9 месяцев назад
189k on mine and it keeps going. Won't ever get rid of it unless I can find a manual one.
@carmenromero1711
@carmenromero1711 3 месяца назад
I love my 2014 at 95,000 miles
@chrisbondra2090
@chrisbondra2090 6 месяцев назад
They have reverse sensors. The original beep means the sensors are turned on then the beeping speeds up as you are getting closer to something behind you. Gread for backing into my garage!
@josephnasiri
@josephnasiri 9 месяцев назад
Hey Dude, I have a suggestion for the next used vehicle, get a Honda Element, which I own and it has 246000 miles and starts every single time even in subzero weather of New York where I live.
@tonjiakrueger8577
@tonjiakrueger8577 2 месяца назад
My fj has 187000 on it. Love it. She hasn't had anything done except replace battery, change oil and windshield wipers. I will drive her till the wheels fall off!
@tonjiakrueger8577
@tonjiakrueger8577 2 месяца назад
Ive owned her since 2012!
@DYNABIKE1
@DYNABIKE1 5 месяцев назад
The suspension is for off roading from the start. Its Not a sedan. In Texas the State calls it a truck for registration purposes.
@WerkToday
@WerkToday 9 месяцев назад
I'm the proud owner of a 07 voodoo Blue FJ. 137k Miles! I love my low mileage FJ.. thinking about selling it...But I sure do Love it.
@Rolexor
@Rolexor 4 месяца назад
If you’re thinking of selling, I’m thinking of buying. Where you at? I’ve got one with 237K, and I’m serious.
@ofs3216
@ofs3216 3 месяца назад
2010 still running great 318K
@Ovalbor
@Ovalbor 2 месяца назад
I normally trade in cars every 2-3 years (used, older, higher mileage). My FJ has been the longest I've held on to a vehicle and I don't think I'll ever get rid of it. It's just a fun car to drive and own. Capable offroad and I've only done a small lift and tires. Just check that frame for rust. As for the beeping going in to reverse, that is normal if you have the backup sensors enabled.
@renflo86
@renflo86 8 месяцев назад
I have own one and love it! 270k and counting.
@WerkToday
@WerkToday 9 месяцев назад
I missed the asking price?
@novemberSUN1
@novemberSUN1 9 месяцев назад
How much rust did this have underneath?
@solarchick7107
@solarchick7107 9 месяцев назад
I LOVE MY 2007 FJ❤
@privatepilot4064
@privatepilot4064 9 месяцев назад
If it says “Toyota” on the grill it will be reliable. 220k? It’s still got a lot of life in her!
@tracybrooks215
@tracybrooks215 9 месяцев назад
All most people can afford are used cars and trucks these days, you can't go wrong with a used well maintained Toyota
@bnelnora
@bnelnora 3 месяца назад
I want a Toyota FJ Cruiser in a grey, black, cream, or burgundy color....
@urbanrver3527
@urbanrver3527 9 месяцев назад
You didn’t go over sticker and price.
@Deatomizer
@Deatomizer 8 месяцев назад
Just hope you don't have issues because those who do have had a very bad experience getting it fixed. Slipping trans and rust are the complaints
@buffalodiesel1809
@buffalodiesel1809 8 месяцев назад
Nice to see finally an honest comment .... other than "it is god's gift from toyota"
@jscott7432
@jscott7432 7 месяцев назад
That's why you get the 6 speed manual, which is way more sporty anyway
@ericpratt-d4b
@ericpratt-d4b 7 месяцев назад
@@jscott7432 so purchasing a std transmission SOLVES THE PROBLEMS ....NOT REALLY The throw-put bearing will faill long before the clutch wears out........ // not a cheap fix.... and no one stocks this "throw-out-bearing. Still the BIG expensive issue is that these babies rust faster than a ford mustang... god-for-bid you operate it on winter / salt / northern roads. // Frames are thin tin spot welded frames, that love to rust.?
@jlara3252
@jlara3252 7 месяцев назад
what makes all these other people dishonest? I personally have one with over 220k and have had no real problems other than rats getting into wiring and basic maintenance. also had a drive line fail but that's because I beat mine up off-road. also think frames? anything with salt will rust you have to maintain and clean off the salt for it to last not the vehicles fault you fail to service and care for it. @@buffalodiesel1809
@AshleyYoung-ru5mm
@AshleyYoung-ru5mm 3 месяца назад
I guess I've been blessed. I have two currently I love them. I'll never drive another car. Haven't had any issues yet.( thankful)
@calebz5890
@calebz5890 9 месяцев назад
Im driving a 03 corolla with 240k lol would like to have that fj
@maudeeb3502
@maudeeb3502 2 дня назад
I had my 2012 for about a year before I got t-boned... Flipped me over on the driver side. The insurance company totaled it and the value actually Rose $9,000 in the year that I owned it.... Never had a car do that before. I immediately replaced it with a 2014.... And just picked up a 2010 for my son.
@CraigLMoran
@CraigLMoran 2 месяца назад
Yes, it beeps when place it into reverse then beeps if someone walks or drives behind you. You will see the motion sensors on the back bumper.
@alsacs3635
@alsacs3635 5 месяцев назад
I agree, definitely interesting in a stock FJ Cruiser review.
@4800BMO
@4800BMO 9 месяцев назад
You picked the right one. Thanks..
@seumasmackinlay
@seumasmackinlay 9 месяцев назад
Love my 2008 FJ 😁❤️
@WerkToday
@WerkToday 9 месяцев назад
It beeps when you put it in reverse because you have the rear parking sensor.
@ReniaDavis-e9w
@ReniaDavis-e9w 3 месяца назад
Wonder what the fluid pans look like, it doesn't matter what it looks like, I care about the guts, what does the paperwork show, oil changes, fluids being changed, tune ups, timing belt, etc. rear end, 4x4 case, the shape of the under carriage. That's what leaves you stranded, not all the vinyl wiping so the faded finder wells look shiny
@jamescottrell7367
@jamescottrell7367 3 месяца назад
Was looking for one but ended up with a tocoma.
@xaidensgrandpa
@xaidensgrandpa 5 месяцев назад
I own an 07 6MT and will keep it till the end, and then my grandson can wear it out.
@AshleyYoung-ru5mm
@AshleyYoung-ru5mm 3 месяца назад
I have 2 I love my fjs
@southwestrunner6384
@southwestrunner6384 17 часов назад
Short answer YES!!!! Just traded in my 2021 Toyota Tundra with 55k miles For a …. 2014 FJ Cruiser with 97k miles… No regrets The FJ is built 10x better
@MercOne
@MercOne 9 месяцев назад
Toyota made a huge mistake when they discontinued this. They quite right before these type of vehicles took off in the market. It's time for a new one twinned with the next 4Runner.
@alabamafbfan1985
@alabamafbfan1985 9 месяцев назад
The last few years they were available sales were not very high. They are cool vehicles but not great for interstate driving and gas mileage.
@mr.m325
@mr.m325 7 месяцев назад
they still make them
@MercOne
@MercOne 7 месяцев назад
@@mr.m325 Where?
@johnoberle9750
@johnoberle9750 2 месяца назад
The interior is sure utilitarian. In a bad way. Nice on the outside.
@race2vegas
@race2vegas 2 месяца назад
When you back up it beeps it’s a rear warning system so you don’t back up into anything
@Thankyou_3
@Thankyou_3 9 месяцев назад
By turning off the parking sensors that noise will go away. Also, please don’t rev the engine when it is cold or even when it is warmed up. You are doing more harm than good especially on the emission components. 4Runner used the same engine from 2003 however starting from 2014, the 4Runner uses an improved version of the 4.0 litre engine. I believe the differences are dual VVTi instead of just single VVTi.
@studebricker2845
@studebricker2845 9 месяцев назад
Uh, he's doing a test drive so we actually do want to hear what the engine sounds like at different revs LOL
@onenikkione
@onenikkione 8 месяцев назад
A mild rev of the engine (2 - 3k rpms) is ok, but yeah you don't ever want to over-rev an engine.
@CraigLMoran
@CraigLMoran 2 месяца назад
The suspension rides alike that from day one. It’s meant for off roading
@jackieholland9403
@jackieholland9403 3 месяца назад
I have a 2008 and high mileage and is in perfect condition. I have my whole FJ 4x4 wrapped in rino lining. I wouldn't sell it for no amount of money
@NMIBUBBLE
@NMIBUBBLE 4 месяца назад
Might be the back window opened when you slammed it, it happens, easy fix.
@CaviteBoy23
@CaviteBoy23 9 месяцев назад
Yes it beeps on Reverse😃
@dannyschreckengost1973
@dannyschreckengost1973 9 месяцев назад
I love these. Already a huge toyota fan. And the market for these things are insane. Those 2 on the lot wont be there long. Regardless of mileage. I see these on bringatrailer going for 60 to 90k all the time. Those are special editions or trail teams model's of course with low miles. But that is the market for these. Toyota fucked themselves by cutting production on these in the NA market. Still produced in europe and they sell like hotcakes over there too..
@DANNYWEBER-b6b
@DANNYWEBER-b6b 7 месяцев назад
200K is nothing for an FJ or a 4Runner. It's just reached the end of the break in period, lol. My 05 4Runner has 361K and runs and drives perfectly. I also just bought an 07 FJ with 147K and I consider that to be low miles.
@johncena6701
@johncena6701 4 месяца назад
How much for the fj
@eiugradstudent2010
@eiugradstudent2010 7 месяцев назад
Nice review!
@barbaralyle6365
@barbaralyle6365 3 месяца назад
Yes the FJ is reliable. It saved my life. Someone T-bone me and I could’ve been killed, but it saved me. The only thing I had wrong was a right shoulder tear, and a bicep tear. Other than that I was OK besides my left hip bothering me.
@MegaHahndo
@MegaHahndo 9 месяцев назад
In today’s vi. Bens a fast talker!
@dylano7242
@dylano7242 8 месяцев назад
I just bought a 2007 fj 2wd locking rear diff, 170k miles in colorado for $7500. It was cheap because 2wd rear drive is not popular in colorado. I have other 4wd cars that don't need another. I thought wanted toyota sienna mini van or a rav4 2wd , or mazda cx5 2wd. But those are all expensive. I put smaller 245/60r17 michelin highway tires and lowered it 2 inches and am getting 25 mpg higway , the same as a mini van, the rav4 gets 30mpg so not greater fuel savings, but the rav4 cant tow 5000lbs or go 400k miles on original engine. This 4.0l engine is far superior to the 3.6l, 2.4l , 2.5l toyota engines.
@aham3476
@aham3476 9 месяцев назад
How much was it?
@mwam1985
@mwam1985 9 месяцев назад
$13,475
@earnmoniedaexpatriate895
@earnmoniedaexpatriate895 9 месяцев назад
Yes I bought FJ with over 200,000
@7171-Ws6
@7171-Ws6 9 месяцев назад
Wouldn’t buy any vehicles with 200k
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 9 месяцев назад
Why not? They’ve proven themselves.
@scottschmittmusic
@scottschmittmusic 2 месяца назад
How's the storage?
@WerkToday
@WerkToday 9 месяцев назад
I don't like to modified ones do stock reviews for the average folks
@geraldmosley2195
@geraldmosley2195 3 месяца назад
Looks like you are missing the outside temp gauge and tilt cluster unit on the dash board and I don't see a power inverter switch. Did you put enough gas in the tank? Don't worry it will burn the gas up B4 get back to the dealer 😂 it is a GAS DRINKER .
@Yoyomanmanholla
@Yoyomanmanholla 6 месяцев назад
Land Cruiser 200 has kdss, which you claimed to not make a difference in a video
@JamesDavis-jw6nj
@JamesDavis-jw6nj Месяц назад
5!, 4 & 1!, Which 3's..
@JamesDavis-jw6nj
@JamesDavis-jw6nj Месяц назад
41 & 16, meaning? Meaning I had, what?
@TitusJudy
@TitusJudy 29 дней назад
676 Green Turnpike
@josephpuchel6497
@josephpuchel6497 8 месяцев назад
Hey There nice trucks but the frames & undercarriage get rusted.
@jackhaugh
@jackhaugh Месяц назад
You don’t need to mod an FJ.
@christophermichaels-x7t
@christophermichaels-x7t 3 месяца назад
Whike yhe FJ looks great. I find the FJ very plastic feeling.
@ElsieWard-o8r
@ElsieWard-o8r 27 дней назад
Roberts Meadow
@JamesDavis-jw6nj
@JamesDavis-jw6nj Месяц назад
25 yrs.?
@lorilightfoot6447
@lorilightfoot6447 Месяц назад
Wheres the review?
@Parzach58
@Parzach58 9 месяцев назад
Yes!
@beri232
@beri232 2 месяца назад
Probably a wiser choice than buying a brand spanking new model with zero miles on the odometer. Lol
@ToursBerg-q6m
@ToursBerg-q6m Месяц назад
Marcia Inlet
@BarryMartinez-q9q
@BarryMartinez-q9q Месяц назад
Luettgen Valley
@gloryglory5709
@gloryglory5709 5 месяцев назад
worst truck i ever brought rust and blind spots trans problems etc
@johncena6701
@johncena6701 4 месяца назад
Major issues?
@johncena6701
@johncena6701 4 месяца назад
Major issues?
@mmiadragonz
@mmiadragonz 20 дней назад
Perfection is a stock Toyota over 150k miles
@FannyMiles-q9v
@FannyMiles-q9v Месяц назад
Kennedy Vista
@AVMD83
@AVMD83 Месяц назад
200.000miles ? Just breaking in.
@theantiqueactionfigure
@theantiqueactionfigure 9 месяцев назад
Imagine comparing that to a Jeep equivalent. Same age and mileage. Not even a fair fight.
@pouyycajgs-c8u
@pouyycajgs-c8u 29 дней назад
Rempel Mountain
@CraigLMoran
@CraigLMoran 2 месяца назад
I’m at 274,000
@texandy89
@texandy89 9 месяцев назад
You should do a review on the Nissan Xterra Ben
@FoxArchibald
@FoxArchibald Месяц назад
361 Thiel Spur
@keithclelland1636
@keithclelland1636 Месяц назад
I just got rid of my 2007...330,000 miles! Are they reliable? Damn straight!
@Gprimbs
@Gprimbs 7 месяцев назад
Save it for off road. It is much more fun.
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