@@Duane-p1d You would be surprised on how much people in the lower ranks are just having a great time. I think my best times in OW were when I was Bronze-Silver and I couldn't do anything on any role because.... everyone was on the same boat. Most lobbies I got we were playing the game as serious as we could, but still found the time to have fun (I will always remember a lobby where we went 3-3 on Blizzard World and the whole lobby decided to bet on a dps race across the map. Which was won, somehow, by a Soldier on the enemy team. So he won the match for his team and we were okay with it. And then.... The minute you hit Gold-Plat-Dia, everyone thinks they're pros and know everything about the game and what the other players are doing wrong. So there's where the actual flaming is at. Then you hit masters, and the game becomes stressful as hell. Not because of flaming specifically, although there's a lot of that still going on, but moreso because now you know you have the skill to play the game correctly and any mistake you make means losing a teamfight.
it genuinely is like that. People who have the courage to put the ego aside and focus on their own gameplay are the ones who are gonna climb. I went from plat to masters doing so
I think a lot of people look at the enemy tank swapping every death as “counter swapping”. But in truth it usually means you got em on the ropes and they’re looking for a way to stop you from absolutely wrecking them. Take it as a compliment. Keep up the pressure. “You got this.”
The enemy tank wasn't counter swapping hell they didn't even want to fight you. Notice how every single time unless you were in their face or the last one alive they would always try to go around you. You got stuck hard focusing them which might be why it seemed like a hard game
I guess they consider Hog a Sigma counter because he can hook you out of the absorb, but at the same time you can rock Hog out of hook and block hook with shield so I'd say it's more even, if not tilted to Sigma.
When Breather was a button and not a meter, it definitely was in Sigma's favor Now I can see it being more even since said rework Definitely one where both have to work around each other
As a Tank main The best counter for Sigma is pretty much anyone whose whole thing is movement OR whose heavy brawl Doom Winston Rein Zarya But seeing a Winston is what makes me go. "Oh shit i need to adjust yesterday to win if im not swapping." Because they can easily just go through my shield to get to me And Sym Sym is literally the Anti Sigma Regains health and ammo off of shields/shield health Can do almost 200 in less than 2 seconds Sym will get me to swap to most likely Zar so i can use her own microwave against her For supports None of them makes me go "Oh shit" except maybe an unkillable Brig Sigma is one of the few heros have has very few counters, BUT at the cost of making those few very hard
I may agree with you on your take, except I'd add the map variant into it. Yes, Rein and Zarya are Sigma's "counters", but only in maps where they can quickly get in his face. Any map where Sigma has time and space to force them back or even into cover, they're not so much a counter. I'd take a 1v1 vs a Rein or Zarya on Circuit Royale or Junkertown any day of the week because those maps favor the Sigma. However, Kings Row or Eichenwalde? I might have to mirror them, because I would be throwing if I don't do it. Winston-Doom on high ground heavy maps such as Numbani, Dorado, Gibraltar? I won't even start Sigma, and I'll only switch into him if there's a specific reason for him to be used. But.... Winston-Doom on linear maps or brawl heavy maps? Or any of the push maps? I'll take Sigma any day of the week into them, twice on sunday, because I can be damn sure they will get dominated with Sigma's rotations. I agree on the Sym, that's the only character that I consider a hard counter because she either ignores me and goes into my backline or gets her Rein-Zarya in my face without time to react or readjust my position.
@@ragingdemon1344 I honestly like how Sigma counters a lot of the "meta" tanks like DVA, Mauga, Orisa, and Hog to an extent, but lets other "weaker" tanks have a chance.
@@atlas3556 I thinks he's a pretty balanced tank. I can't remember if he has ever been hard meta on OW2, but he has always been either A+ or A tier. And I'm more on the side of the "weaker" tanks as you called them. I love having an honest 1 on 1 Rein/Zarya duel where the only variant is who can diff the other tank more times. I'll take the Ls and the Ws in that environment. I love playing the Sigma duels too. The JKs. As soon as the.... let's call them "less skill based" tanks come out (Ram, Mauga, Orisa, Hog) and I must play them, I'm not into the game anymore. Those tanks are so boring to play and so passive that I might as well just hold the mouse button that they use to take damage without dying while my other hand searches something to watch on youtube.
@axelt6312 it's a very weak lifesteal And only affect the shield portion of health bars/shield themselves and it only refills Sym's shield health Vs a Rein, it's borderline useless, but vs. Sigma, it's very noticeable because of her small hit box, and no one is 100% accurate throwing his balls It also refills ammo as well but eh not as important
As a Sigma enjoyer myself, I consider Sigma doesn't have a natural counter per sé. I see it more as if the map is a good map for Sigma or for the other tank. For instance, I have no problem playing Sigma against Rein on Havana, Junkertown, Circuit Royale or any map where Sigma can do a lot of damage to Rein's shield before he can cut the distance. But on brawl heavy maps, such as King's Row and Eichenwalde, I won't play Sigma into Rein unless there's a heavy reason for it (the whole enemy team comp). This applies into any other map and tank. I won't play Sigma into Winston-DVa on Numbani, but I will play him against those same heroes on, ironically, King's Row. So, all in all, I guess what I'm saying is that Sigma is harder to counter when the map favors him, even when his "hard counter" is on the enemy team.
8:48 As a Sigma player, Sigma is good against most characters especially after the changes. The only characters that could theoretically be a counter are Rein and Winston.
8:55 well as a silver 1 support usally my sigma counter is just brig, silver sigmas cant really do anything when you just circle around them as a brig, As a silver 1 tank I would say zarya, ram and rein, as zarya can cancel rock quite easily and ram can quickly destroy his shield before he pulls back he also has decent mid range out out of sigmas range and good close up as well.
On the topic if counters, why is rein a counter to zarya? I constantly see people say swap rein when it's a zarya but it seems like zarya counters rein and not the other way around. Firestrike is free charge for zarya, she literally makes it impossible to pin anyone since she can just bubble them before they hit a wall, her beam does so much dps that his shield just gets melted. Sure rein can destroy zarya when in range but if the zarya is half decent they won't let them get into range and just beam him until he either dies or runs away.
zarya can't easily push past you on rein, his hammer swings don't give her that much charge and she can't block shatter super well unlike what people seem to think, countering a hero doesn't mean you will win no matter what - the enemy team comp and how you play the matchup also matters, usually in the rein vs zarya match up you wanna be sitting in front of her and stopping her from doing much to your backline but that can change from situation to situation
His shield is a much more durable and flexible than her bubble is. Essentially if she burns her bubbles inefficiently he can literally walk on her with no counterplay, so unless the Zarya plays it immaculately she will lose the resource war. I think the matchup is pretty even and extremely dependent on the area of the map you are at.
@Lieshense Ok but that just doesn't happen in practice. A good zarya will always find a way to be above 70 charge regardless of how much the enemy tries to avoid shooting them. In my experience the zarya plus her team simply do so much dps that rein immediately dies the second he peeks out for more than 0.5 seconds. Zarya is the one character that I can't play around as any tank simply because their team essentially has 3 dps that instakill me if I dare peek for a split second.
@@fiona9891 She often doesn't need to push past him tho, she just needs to sit there and beam him until he dies. Their team can't really punish the zarya as long as she has her bubbles especially when both supports are pocketing her, and the rein can't drop shield or he explodes from the sheer damage.
@@Dizzifying1 In my experience the zarya wins 90% of the time just by focusing the rein down until he dies. Rein can't drop shield ever because he immediately explodes with how much damage he's taking.
hog actually can be a good counter to sigma because you can hook sigma when he eats damage, which is usually when he is a lower anyways which results in easy picks (especially in lower ranks you get easily away with it)
RE: what do I think are Sigma counters? I would say Queen, Mauga, Orisa, Rein, Ball, Dva, maybe Winton....gap closers that can get in close to take advantage of Sigma's lack of mobility and close-range ability. For reference, I'm G4 DPS, P1 Support
I've been playing Reaper Venture and Solider That's been my Brawl Dive and poke rotation Maybe a little Cass and Bastion but on console that got me out of silver 3 to gold 2 as of earlier today
Honestly I wouldn’t say a hard counter but queen honestly feels really good against sig. smaller hit box (harder to hit with rock) sig generally backs up as he fights while shout allows queen to make up that distance to get good axe plays off. And sigs wider upper torso makes it really easy to land knife almost every time he’s the knife target
good tanks vs Sigma imo: Rein, Ramattra, Winston, Doomfist, Ball (some of these depend on stuff like map, other hero picks...) I generally don't consider Sig a good anti-tank pick often enough. He is often my anti-hitscan and/or anti-backline pick. Also if enemy supports play close enough so you can hit them, Sigma shreds. The moment someone close to their Tank dies, things open up. I also like Sig sometimes if I notice my supports being overwhelmed (where the reason for that is not their Tank). People in my mid rank (Diamond 4) still like to go double hitscan often, although that is unplayable at high ELO. Agains those, Sig is freelo. Sig is pretty shit the moment teams are concentrating efforts, e.g. by playing dedicated brawl or dive. I am climbing consistently on Tank currently (although I need the dark arts for that sometimes with stuff like Mauga)
I was gonna say that more playstyles are really what counter sig over characters outside of rein but then you said the same thing as I was typing it lol
idk is this is my bonze random queue speaking rn but if the opposing tank swaps often, it looks like they arnt confident in their pick, and will immediately swap if there is a bit of push back instead of sticking with gut and pushing. also i never knew why its a good idea to nano sigma, like their rate of fire or dps isnt at a good pace to "Go in" like orisa or ram
I can honestly say the same. When the enemy tank constantly swaps, no matter if it's counterswapping or not, it shows that they are struggling mentally and you can easily roll them if you are playing a fair game. I've had many games where I get counterswapped on tank (the few times I'm not playing dps) and I start on Rein, enemy goes Ram, I go Ram, he goes Mauga, I go Mauga. Because that tank is gonna end up picking his worst hero just to keep counterswapping and I'll end up in my strongest (either Sigma or Zarya). And believe, even if he goes Rein or Winston, in the end I've made him not play the game and he won't ever have ult. You may say I'm on the same boat as him. Kinda, yeah. Difference being I will never end up on a tank that I'm not comfortable picking just for the sake of playing a counter. Now, about nano Sigma. He can delete any team with nano and a few shots. I guarantee from Dia and above, nano Sigma is a sleeper choice (usually because Anas are just too conditioned into using nano on a combo with dps (which in the current state of OW.... is almost always a bad idea). Nanoing your tank, is far better. So, if you nano a Sigma that can hit shots, the amount of pressure his damage will put the enemy on with nano will be enough to win a teamfight by pushing the enemy team back or killing everyone. Now.... is it something to do in Bronze, Silver, Gold or Plat? Well... it's better than nanoblade or nanovisor into every defensive ult and cooldown.
Winston and Orisa can be pretty tough as well I feel. Queen an despecially Mauga feel good because you can deny the lifesteal. DVa feels good because you can eat the missles and rock trough matrix. Doom feels good again because you can rock the doom when he's shielding. Wrekcing ball feels good for the same reason, but when I play ball I like playing against Sigma. Orisa can just walk over you with a lot more speed so also annoying.
8:46 I know this is dumb but sym is my greatest fear as i just don't know what to do against her zarya as well whenever i see a sym on enemy team i usually give up as i just don't know how to interact with sym like how do kill a beam like that no matter my role sym players just obliterate me
Counter swap ftw. The I only play unbranded and barely ever need to counterswap to win. Uploading clips and would like to hear ya thoughts. Could I hold my own in ranked? I’ve always been put off by the sweat.
Counterswapping tank by itself generally wont make me swap. Maybe if its a Mauga just because its so hard to deal with him without complete team coordination. But otherwise the only times i feel the need to swap is when the entire team hard counters me. Like whe im dva and they all swap to zarya, sym, mei. Thats just annoying af.
Low gold tank, I say Zarya because all of Sigma's damage is projectile or requires a charge and Zarya shield is instant. So there is all the counter play from Zarya but none from Sigma.
I really enjoy your videos and never have anything bad to say because they are actually insightful, but around 13 mins when you talk about about counters it’s much less prevalent in low ranks where you get a team to swap but at the same token in this specific comp in low ranks, zar just keeps running you down even if you back up 100% guarantee your team gets run over because the knowledge isn’t there. Even in middle ranks gld-plat people don’t even know not to shoot at zar bubbles. Food for thought
tank rotation and swapping existed in 6v6. it's just a part of overwatch. was it better? depends on your ow1 experience but 6v6 isn't the magic bullet to this "issue"
Complaining about counter swapping is hilarious 😂 what am I supposed to just keep getting rolled or keep dying . No im going to pick a different hero that’s going to help my team and myself do better , stop crying about that stuff
