Woooooow this truly helped me so much, Tim.....I've been divorced for years now, and someone told me I would have to wait for my ex to, Tim this has set me free....no more condemnation for me....✝️🤟🏻💜🙏🏻❤
I knew both Dr. Doug and his first wife Lisea. I am aware of one issue. I highly respect Jimmy Evans if he thought it was a sin or wrong he would have said something. He saw the major issue they had. She probably did have to sign a non-disclosure in the divorce. So don't judge until you know what happened.
God did not design marriage for divorce unless Adultery or death it’s a life long union. God said he let Moses grant Israel divorce because of the heartness of your heart
Her sweet son Jonathan grieving over his dad the only son of Marcus. Joni put another man in Jonathan's position to carry on for his dad. Joni has hurt him dearly she acts as if she's done nothing. God has taken note of it all. Jonathan and Susie prayers for you. Bless you
@spottidottie5849 What is with all you people, you all call yourselves Christians but oh my goodness are you all judging Joni and Doug. Shame on all of you
Thanks for your spiritual decernment, because Doug's wife is completely left out of the picture and she is the intergual part of this story, we are only hearing how wonderful Joni's story is, and how God has brought her and Doug together, which according to her was confirmed in a dream, my problem is this the person did not see Doug in the dream, this is only spectuulation. The scriptures is very clear on the Bibical Christian's Bibical permission for remarrage after devorce and Doug does not fall into the bibical criteria. This marrage is an unbibical marrage and God is not in it, and the sad part of this union, is that Doug has been councelling married Couples for years. Please Tim don't compromise the scriptures to to support Joni's departing from God's words. Amen.
Personally I think Lisa should be left alone and I respect her for not going onto every possible platform (which is what Joni is doing) to defend herself. She is a private individual, she did not choose to blast her personal life on international christian television. I'm sure she is dealing with hurt, betrayal and humiliation. Hopefully she has true friends who will be there when she wants them around but will give her space when she wants it. Doug and Joni brought this upon themselves for blasting their lavish wedding and reception on international christian television. They could have kept it private (they are in their 60's and on their second marriage) and there was no need for Doug to fill in the host seat. Joni has three adult children and their spouses who are capable and happy to sit next to her as the co-host.
@@joycemullane5337 I don't expect her to broadcast her personal life on social media. I am just curious, because divorce is a serious matter especially for Christians and high profile figures especially those who are involved in counselling need to set the right example. I don't want to be judgemental on this matter. That is between the parties involved and God.
Most people are unaware of the amount of spousal abuse happening inside the church. Financial and emotional abuse can’t be seen and countless women and children are literally being held hostage by their abusers because they have no way out. I am praying for like minded people to come alongside me to start a ministry to set them free. 💜🙏
The excuses that some people use for getting married, claiming that God told them to do so, is not a valid reason. Ultimately, it is their own responsibility to make wise decisions based on listening to their inner voice rather than giving in to their personal desires. People need to stop lying on God.
Yeah I don't come from money and in 2017 when God called me to marry #trumpjr I still am like living off of two hundred and ten dollars all from SSI. I really do need God's Active Love. Read my song ( Sorry America ) because that's the truth.
May I ask, setting them free is it gonna be based on Biblical teaching, command and instructions or your own opinion and views on what you think God wants? My question is how are you going to set some of us free when Jesus is the only One Who sets people free🤷
I think people are upset because this Doug guy seemed to talk about joni in a very sexual way on the show and came across very creepy. And her son was in deep pain and still grieving deeply he was not ready for Doug moving in so fast.Joni corrected him publicly live on air. This made a lot of people very upset.. Doug was almost lying in waiting for month to make his move. He seems really creepy when you listen to him.
IF ..this marriage is NOT from GOD..and built on LUST. but mistaken for love. It will CRASH AND BURN. js ( don't come for me .I am not wishing anything on their marriage...I am just STATING A FACT!)
Yes I think Christians can get a divorce, the different types of horrible marriages that exist and can’t be fixed because of a million different reasons are not going to get better, unless both people serve the Lord and work hard at making things work out
I am so angry that men in the church don’t hold other men to account, especially those in leadership. I know men who are sleeping around, dragging their families through divorce court, refusing to pay alimony or child support, abusing, etc. and showing up to church through it all with no accountability. It’s sick 😢
You know it really makes me think after listening to Joni talking about how how she met up with Doug. I can't believe the quickness of her feelings for him. Her husband has just died. She is nothing but a liar. I wonder if she really loved Marcus. Doug is a slimy worm. He comes across as a dirty old counselor who thrives on hearing from people and their sex lives .😢
I've been battling with this because I am divorced, been with other people since and recently gave my heart to the Lord and realized I was living in sin. I let the person I was with for 5 years ago because I felt like that was what God told me to do and I had a peace about it. But I've been wondering if my divorce means that I will never find someone because it would be a sin to be with someone else after being divorced. This morning I told God I was tired of being sad because I felt like I was going to never experience a true God sent love. But I gave it to God and said whatever He has for me I am willing to do but if that means I'm alone for the rest of my life then He has to become my husband for real. He has to be my safety He has to be my best friend, He has to be my comfort and my support and He needs to send me friends that will uplift me and hold me accountable. I willingly surrender my loneliness to Him.
Same here. I have prayed about this same thing because I am divorced as well more than once. When I married before I was young and broken. I also ended a relationship 6 years ago that was ungodly. I have been single ever since.. I surrender everything to God.. God has healed me from so much mentally emotionally spiritually.. But I would like to experience love now that I am older and made whole. If it’s God’s will but if not I pray God fill me up every day with his goodness and glory. I pray Lord for both of us help us to know your will. God we trust you that you would never leave us or forsake us. I pray for Love, joy and peace in the name of Jesus. Amen
@@kgodsgirl If your first marriage was a first marriage for each of you, you both are in covenant with one another. If your spouse has passed, you are free to marry .... but only a believer and one that is not in covenant with a spouse, divorced or not.
@@alexweaver7558 No! If this was a covenant marriage, believer or not, the covenant remains til death. The verse you are referring to allows the person to leave ... but the covenant remains. Then one must stay single or reconcile. If one's covenant spouse has passed, then one can marry.... but only to someone who is a believer and does not have a covenant spouse!
Remarriage while your covenant spouse is still alive is a sin. It’s better to obey God than to change His Word to fit our emotions and limited understanding.
Agree. Unfortunately Joni has chosen charm and lust over God's Word and family. She's using every possible platform, including her new book to justify this relationship. She needs to step down from national christian television.
After a divorce it takes much dying to self. Lots of intercession with the Holy Spirit. Be made whole as one in Christ until God brings the one to you. To much divorce here.
Please put Lisa Weiss on yur show..Do not let Joni Lamb Weiss give excuses for 4 now husband &accuse Lisa of spiritual, emotional abuse..Jimmy Evans is not the authority on divorce..If course he will agree with whatever Joni says😅
This isn’t gossiping… she shares her life when she is in public ministry. She is held accountable for her choices… we have a view and a duty to call it out. He left his wife for her as soon as Marcus died. She has acted like a teenager even choosing glorifying her husband over her firstborn son. And she is lying about how they got into the relationship. We all saw them together as friends before Marcus died. This is all a lie and it will come to light on God’s time.
I am so encoraged by these comments. People will call it judgmental. We are called to judge rightly. Living Holy and according to the scriptures does not make one religious. It makes them Christian and want to follow God in all their ways. We fall, but we are to get back up. Religious people want to be called holy for doing nasty things, and want the scripture to bend to their will, and not the will of the Father. I'm glad to see people are still willing to stand!
I too, am encouraged by most of the comments that I have had tears of joy stream down my face because Christians are not being deceived. Jesus is clear about divorce and remarriage. I have been divorced for over a decade. I absolutely, want to remarry; however, I cannot. My ex is still living. It's that simple. I am not exempt from Jesus on remarriage. Is there special exemption for Joni and Doug????? I met a man recently and he was interested romantically in me. I told him I don't date/can't date. He started talking Old testament and what he felt and that I could remarry. This man is also divorced with a living wife. My response. I don't live my life on how I feel. I live my life Thus says the Lord. No one is going to pressure me to remarry. Again,the Word is clear on divorce and remarriage.
@@Mich-qf2yibut if your ex was unfaithful to you, then you can remarry. “They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.” ~Matthew 19:7-9 NKJV
Malachi 2 vs 16 we sin when we divorce our spouse in God eyes that's a sin vengeance belong only to God that's why the churches are full of adulterer because no one is standing on God word too many blind guide leading so a lot of people are following the blind john 10 vs 1 - 10 we only need to follow God's example Jesus is the only way the truth and the life 🙏🙏🙏
No one said divorce is a covenant. Marriage is a covenant that we make in the eyes of our Lord God Almighty Divorce is a legal document that separates a partnership. God never allowed divorce, but because of the hardness of our hearts, Moses allowed it. I'm divorced, but l have chosen to stay as l am because l now have made Jesus my new Husband, so no one is fit to come between us. Even Godly men have their issues as well therefore its best to live a simple life with having peace and joy in my heart... because of Jesus its only Jesus
“Moses allowed it but he is not God” you pray and let God answer you not a pastor. ”The Lord said to me, “Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another man and is an adulteress. Love her as the Lord loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes.”“ Hosea 3:1 NIV Jesus says sin no more with adultery, 13:45 ”“No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”“ John 8:11 NIV
Matthew 19:1-12 NASB1995 [1] When Jesus had finished these words, He departed from Galilee and came into the region of Judea beyond the Jordan; [2] and large crowds followed Him, and He healed them there. [3] Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” [4] And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, [5] and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? [6] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” [7] They *said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce and send her away?” [8] He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. [9] And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” [10] The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” [11] But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. [12] For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” Be well and be at peace.
Your husband died,you are free to marry again but not someone who’s wife is alive 😮😮please read the words of God with understanding you could have married a single man cause you claim to be a woman of God,that husband don’t belong to you 😙😙
I think that Joni got married too quick after her husband past away . Also it is not acceptable if Dough left his wife for her and so sad how she prefers Doug over her son
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell! We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell!” Galatians 1:8-9 GNT
Let’s get real. Doug divorced his wife for a sugar mama. I’m sure they were attracted to each other while they were married. Doug and Lisa were Marriage Counselors?! Nothing seemed to be wrong with their marriage until Marcus died. How convenient. Did Joni want to know what went wrong in the marriage? Was she aware of problems? Marrying your friends husband of thirty years, that’s what you want to show a lost world? They should repent while there’s time.
Yes, I want to see Lisa and hear what she has to say about all of this. If anyone was immoral it was Doug. There was no immorality in their marriage, He just didn’t want Lisa anymore wanted wanted Joni wanted Joni and hats the bottom line. They will come up with everything and anything to justify what they did.
Personally I think Lisa should be left alone and I respect her for not going onto every possible platform (which is what Joni is doing) to defend herself. She is a private individual, she did not choose to blast her personal life on international christian television. I'm sure she is dealing with hurt, betrayal and humiliation. Hopefully she has true friends who will be there when she wants them around but will give her space when she wants it. Doug and Joni brought this upon themselves for blasting their lavish wedding and reception on international christian television. They could have kept it private (they are in their 60's and on their second marriage) and there was no need for Doug to fill in the host seat. Joni has three adult children and their spouses who are capable and happy to sit next to her as the co-host.
Joni stop it !!!! Lisa Wesis begged her husband Doug to stop the affair you both were having !!!! Lisa wanted her marriage to her husband Doug to work !!!!!!
A little off the subject, but I don't think I would send any money to any televangelist again. Only the local churches I know. I have given to daystar before and you find out they are millionaires. My family and I are ordinary people who have to work really hard to barely make ends meet. My pastor is very honest and he and his wife are hard working and not materialistic. I trust them. I was a little naive about things when I was first a believer.
Agree. I recently read an article dated April 15, 2024 regarding a $3million (yes, million) donation from Daystar (not Joni's personal finances) to Oral Roberts University (where their three little lambs attended) for a new dining hall which will allow students to have access to "fine dining stations". Is this a needy cause!? No college student needs access to fine dining! If I was a donor (which I'm not) I would be very upset. Is this being a good steward of funds entrusted to them? You have to ask yourself, why isn't Daystar a member of Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA). Why doesn't Daystar provide an Annual Financial Report on their website? There is no accountability. Daystar Partners and viewers donate their hard earned money and the Lamb family benefits.
God absolutely allows permanent divorce/no reconciliation ever to happen for millions/billions/trillions of reasons. God (He)loves his Godly daughter. And Her Godly Family way more than the marriage. and I’m super thankful to God every day for mine :) And I have been 100% Completely Single for 10 years now:) And I’m in full time church ministry life at my church. and I absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely love it so so so much:) And at the end of April 2024 I will be signing up for a couple of great Christian dating sites. And I’m super excited :)
@@tamimoncrief2264 I know you worship Joni but she is not perfect. She is a sinner like all of us and if you read the scriptures yourself you would see what God actually says about Divorce. If they are referring to ex-wife indirectly, let the full story be told. Let her speak.
Ministry Now (5/13/24).....Should Joni be corrected on international christian television? As Mother Day flowers are being brought out to her she says "oh look, from my two beautiful sons". Jonathan wasn't there, it was Joshua B. and Jonathan W. She felt the need to correct Jonathan L. when he didn't include Doug in the throw back on July 11, 2023. They are not on sabbatical!
They were couple friends for years and years. So when she acts like he was a man she barely knew afar off, she is being deceitful. I hope he repented about him being a serial cheater. And then him leaving her friend for her. God can forgive. But first you have to confess your sin.
Joni should RESIGN!! She's a disgrace to the Christian community!! And shame on all of her friends and daughters thinking this is right. I hope you apologize to your son for the way you've treated him and his wife.
To Joni Lamb, I guess whatever Jimmy Evan says is more important than what the Bible says and Jimmy Evan's re-make of the Bible regarding marriage and divorce is the correct version.....
Unfortunately I believe Joni has fallen for attention, charm and lust and she's been convinced that the relationship is a Love Miracle from God. At some point the excitement of a new relationship and the honeymoon phase will pass and she'll have to deal with the consequences of her recent choices.
The key word is remarrying while ur spouse is alive is a sin. This is what the Bible say, when it come to christian in the new testament. but the old testament Moses allow people to Divorce. Because of our unfaithfulness. On my side I can not blame a person for remarrying. Because I understand the power of the fresh. The body will keep on having feelings. Life is not easy. Not everyone can live a sexless life. If the spouse start to cheat, abuse etc. How can I change that person. ? If that person did not have a desire to change. ? If u are able to stay alone. That's great. But what about someone's who is not able to stay alone? Better to remarry & remain faithful to that second wife/husband.
The excuses that some people use for getting married, claiming that God told them to do so, is not a valid reason. Ultimately, it is their own responsibility to make wise decisions based on listening to their inner voice rather than giving in to their personal desires. People need to stop lying on God.
And if God tells you something, it ought to be backed up by scripture. God is not a man..he doesn't lie. He doesn't contradict Himself...He is the same God in Jesus Christ...same God yesterday, today and forever. Be well and be at peace.
I’ve heard women say this is and all marriages were extremely toxic and the Holy Spirit never dwelled among them. My God shall not be mocked. People need to stop lying on God. Period
I'm so glad to listen in. This topic summarizes down to one thing: Is the Bible (God's word) supreme? Or is our word supreme? The Bible allows for divorce in the instance of sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32) or in the instance of abandonment by an unbelieving spouse (1 Cor 7:15). Thats it. Separation (even indefinite separation) on the other hand is wide open and has no stipulations. A wife can biblically separate from her husband for practically any reason under one condition that she does not marry another man (1 Corinthians 7:10-17 ). The Lord leaves room for women to get away from unsafe men. Abuse, Addiction, and on and on. He is gracious. Safety often isnt the ultimate goal for many divorced people though, the replacing of a spouse is... which is why these verses are altogether ignored. Because it stops people from feeling free to drop and replace spouses as they desire. Thanks for posting the video. Viewers, please read and obey your Bible. The Lord honors obedience. He really does.
Excellent summary of what is very clearly stated in scripture. You cannot remarry a person who is divorced for reasons other than adultery or abandonment by a non believer. If you do, you are committing adultery. Separation is allowed, justice is allowed, remarriage is not allowed.
Preach! Doug was after Joni. 6 mos after Marcus died, he called her. Plus. Joni said God told her to get her "house" in order. No, girl. You started losing weight bc you were attracted to Doug. They are both despicable liars.
Do you suppose that people who are divorced should not marry? Im not being confrontational, just asking a genuine question. And want to understand the justification for this thought.
@catlady3147 ahhh. I see! I don't follow her, so I didn't know the full context. Unfortunately, I have seen this happen in my old church multiple times. SMH
Please be careful to investigate things Biblically. The Scripture grants divorce only on the basis of abandonment and adultery. Abuse and addiction are not biblical provisions for breaking covenants. That is not to say stay in bad environments. Separation is most definitely essential in such cases, especially abuse. Yet, no one is allowed to remarry unless the other person commits adultery or abandon the marriage. 1 Corinthians 7:12-17 and Matthew 19:9 is very important to remember.
People please ALWAYS go by Scriptures!! Everything "ministers" & "church folk" say does NOT always align with Scripture. To many Christians are making excuses to bail out of marriage. And to soon not allowing Christ to work in the situation. Every scenario obviously is different but just to leave someone for minute little issues IS sin. You made a commitment & a covenant to God & that person.
She was saying had the divorce not met the Biblical standards for a divorce it’s still not the unpardonable sin, but she is trying to help people understand that there are factors they are not privy to.
@shawig Well the question is did the reason for the Divorce meet the Biblical standard. God's word determines that and not a man telling you his opinion. And if the Divorce did not meet the Biblical standard and you remarried anyway, than Joni is saying it's okay to knowingly sin by entering into a marriage not sanctioned by God because it's not the unpardonable sin??? This is not Godly counsel.
Its very HARD to digest that you JONI MARRIED "YOUR BEST FRIEND'S HUSBAND" .Makes one wonder what was going on when Marcus was alive. You married Doug. a YEAR AFTER MARCUS ' DEATH!!!
They can divorce but not remarry Paul says their not under bondage to leave if the other person is unbeliever but they are to not remarry she’s trying to condone her marriage her husband is a counselor helping others to heal their marriage yet he could not heal his marriage he should of separated and stayed single it’s contradicting the word of God, Her son was there to help run the ministry , Jimmy Evan’s was wrong he also preaches on marriage he knows it was wrong to marry them
Praise Jesus! Someone who follows the Word of Jesus Christ. No one has to stay in an abusive marriage. It's called separation! Separate! It's that simple. If a divorce occurs, remarriage is only permitted if the spouse dies. Not being bound to the marriage is not permission to remarry. Joni was free to remarry. It is who she married is why she is living in adultery. Doug Weiss has a living wife. He is not free to remarry. Joni knew this woman. Who does that?????? Doug, Joni,and Jimmy Evans are making a mochary of the Word of Jesus Christ. I want to remarry; yet, I know it's not possible because I am divorced and my ex husband is still living. Wow, so simple. I guess we are only to follow Scripture until it's time to follow Scripture.
I don't know your whole situation but you keep saying you can't remarry what about people who didn't know God before their horrible mistakes of marriage what if Satan sent that person to you .what about every person people had sex outside of marriage isn't that like marriage in a ungodly way.hmmm im just thinking.
I would disagree. There is no need for individuals to hear from Lisa. She is going through a very difficult season of hurt, betrayal and humiliation. She needs to be left alone to process and heal from the divorce. Hopefully she has true friends who will be there for her when she wants them to be. She's a private person, always has been. She shouldn't be forced to make her life/marriage/divorce public on social media just because Joni and Doug have chosen to do so with their engagement/wedding/reception and on going photos of them together. As for Joni and Doug, they chose to blast their lavish extravagant wedding and reception on international christian television and social media, did they really think everyone would just accept it like Jimmy Evans, her daughters, her besties and millions who idolize her just because she's Joni Lamb? She chose attention, charm and lust over God's Word and family. She can tell her story to make it sound like 'Love's Miracle', and that God brought them together but she's being deceitful to the Daystar Partners and viewers. Doug placed the "courtesy call" (that's what they're calling it, seems it was an opportunity call); Joni was lonely and vulnerable, she fell for attention, charm and lust; Doug is now seated in the position Marcus was grooming Jonathan to fulfill; Doug was successful in getting what he wanted. At their wedding reception his friend gave a toast in which he commented, Doug is a go getter, he won't stop until he gets what he wants..... bingo!
She's had him as a guest on Joni Table Talk numerous times, including Sexless and Married (May 28, 2019) and Doug made the statement "Jesus died on the cross so we can have great sex.". In this same episode he talked about what a wonderful and strong woman Lisa is, what a great wife she is and she knows how to please me, the sex is wow." That's a pretty disgusting statement he made, along with an inappropriate comment to make about his wife on international christian television.
Joni and Dough Their marriage is just not that plain and simple like Joni thinks. It has victims and heartaches, If you know the full story. Never be responsible to a family’s breakup. We are hearing one side of this sad story all the time.
I don't agree with the relationship or their timeline story., but they are adults and make their own decision and will have to deal with any consequences from their choices. I feel very strongly that the two of them should step down from national christian television, but I also realize this will not happen since they both thrive from power and being in front of the camera.
@@joycemullane5337 I do so agree…both Joni and Doug appear to strive for power, control and money and being on TV! They constantly talk about themselves and God appears to fade in the background at times!!
@@elsiezimmerman4304 My parents always taught us "actions speak greater then words".....they know the words to speak to sound godly, but their lifestyle speak so much louder.
Joni I am wondering if you checked in with Mr Doug's wife to hear her story, to see if she needed help and prayers for healing, deliverance and restoration. Did she release you and give you her blessings to marry her husband? What about their children. Did you listen to their stories and offered any kind of support for their broken hearts. I have been in a very similar position to that of Mrs Weis. Did you show mercy only to Mr Doug who had been seizing his opportunity with the python spirit to seduce and swallow your destiny. Please reach out to Almighty God again in fasting and prayer and let the Lord judge Mr Doug who quickly moved into your life to hijack and steal your destiny and ministry. He wants fame and fortune!
Wow! Joni speaks against judging others (she even censors comments), yet this morning (5/13/24) she is judging our president by making the statement "God bless him, but half the time he doesn't even know where he is". This is not appropriate to voice on international christian television.
My story: married a man that turned out to be narcissit etc. He divorced me after 8 months.. In hindsite: I should've waited longer to get to know him, how he was with fam and friends. He was super clever/cunning and a master manupulator- pretended to be a true believer- had me, my fam and pastors fooled. And I got scripture and visions beforehand too...also saw his name and even mouth/smile,but very sad to afterwards realise you've been fooled all along. Now I pray- God protect me, and always lead me in Truth, Your Word and not my feelings and wants. Learned a lot and hope Joni isn't making a big mistake!
A gentle reply removes wrath...that's awesome I commend you for having the courage to approach that person with so much grace.... whew we God help ME 🙏🏽
Where's Doug wife? Why did Joni rush to marriage? Why couldn't she wait until she was healed from Marcus' demised? Doug was too dangerous. Was he waiting for this death? ❤
Watch Joni Table Talk (Sexless and Married / May 28, 2019), Doug is a guest and talks about what a wonderful woman Lisa. That she's a great wife and knows how to please him and the "sex is wow". That doesn't sound like neglect or abuse to me. So was he being deceitful then, or is he being deceitful now? On this same show he states "Jesus died on the cross so we can have great sex". I find this statement to be disgusting and can't imagine why Joni would even consider being in a relationship with someone who would make such a statement. I believe she's blinded to the numerous red flags in this relationship. She fell for attention, charm and lust and once the excitement of a new relationship and the honeymoon phase passes she'll have to deal with the consequences of her recent choices.
Hopefully eyes have been opened to see the red flags with Daystar and those who have the resources to investigate and bring the truth out will do so. The rest of us can do our part by 1). Stop watching Daystar channel; 2). Stop financially supporting Daystar. It's obvious the funds being entrusted to them are being used to enable their extravagant lifestyle, rather than to provide funds for worthy causes.
Personally I don't agree with the lavish and extravagant lifestyles of Joni and her family and have never financially supported Daystar since they are not transparent as to how donations are used. I use the funds God has entrusted to us either directly where I see the need, or to a company that provides proof of distribution. They also aren't transparent like they claim to be regarding Jonathan and Suzy. They are not on sabbatical. There is a division in the family because of Joni's recent choices. I respect Jonathan and Suzy for being strong enough to listen to guidance from the Holy Spirit and separating themselves from this situation. Joni has posted her Mother Day celebration with Rachel and Rebecca.
My thought is: why did Joni rush into marriage with a divorced man, so soon after losing her husband of many years? This seems to indicate that she was still in a very vulnerable state and could so easily be manipulated by someone into making a decision she may regret in the future. Getting divorced is not a sin. Committing adultery is. God's word is very clear about what He says on divorce. Matthew 5:31-32 says, 31 “It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. ' 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
I can finally be at peace with having made the difficult decision 4 years ago. All this time I thought God was punishing me for ending my marriage. I was a new mom at the time and slowly felt resentment and anger trying to creep into my relationship with my newborn son. I needed to protect my son from me. I knew before he was born that the marriage was already breaking, but I hung on for the sake of maintaining the family unit and it was costing me greatly. Thank you for this message and for giving me the validation I needed.
See my comments above. Joni is in adultery and is not one to preach on this topic. She will not see heaven unless she repents and Doug repents! Consider your source! Joni have been in blatant sin for a few years now. It is awful.
My soon-to-be ex died spiritually when he committed adultery, financially and verbally abused me, and abandoned me. It has been nearly 3 years since he left, and I have walked in obedience to God and honored the covenant that I made with Him on my wedding day. I will continue to do so until I marry again - with AbbaFather's blessing on our union. He has healed my heart, and I am His girl❤
It’s one thing miss Joni for (you ) to get married BUT someone to get a divorce just to marry you afterwards…..IS ANOTHER THING. And Doug always spoke great of his marriage till he married you and in fact said it was perfect - so Was he lying then or now ??????? Which is it ?????? Miss Joni for you to be in the storm maybe would have looked better if you would have rode this storm out by yourself till you found a man that you didn’t take away from Lisa … both of y’all spoke so highly of her and god doesn’t take one husband from a relationship to give it to another because she deserves it !!!!! You being Jimmy evans friend you put him in a position to say this is good and you have allowed others to think bad of him and his opinions now . Also , you again said he tried to save the marriage but shortly before that they were on your show and he said he was in a great marriage …… you can make this look as great as you want but this man was a expensive counselor and he couldn’t fix his own marriage and he quicken that divorce when your husband died …… so all these small shows and books and comments you are trying to make your guilt feel better but it doesn’t make things right !!? I still think y’all shouldn’t have paid Lisa to shut up and we would know the 💯 percent truth because it takes two and he by far doesn’t seem perfect / again she never tried losing that kind of weight for Marcus leads you to believe there was more before announced wether it was infatuation or adultery or something sooner than stated
I would like to know where her only son and wife are at this present time. Does that not tell you something? Clearly, they are not happy with this marriage. I wonder how this makes you feel married a man over your own son. God is not dead. What you reap you will sow. I can not take it that these people interviewing her just tell her what she wants to hear. 😢😢
@@coolbrit56that is so sad. It costs thousands to go to his center. He charges the most of any so-called counselor… He continued to counsel as his own marriage was falling apart.
She was so desperate ! How often does she have to mention that Marcus wanted her to remarry ,and Doug constant bragging as he feels the need to tell the viewers Joni is the president of Daystar Joni needs to take lessons from Chrissy the Widowed wife of Mylon Lafevre she’s so gracious and classy never mentioning that Mylon wants her to remarry but to continue on with the ministry in reaching the lost to stay fearless and carry on , seriously 6 months of grieving give me a break and listening to others prophecy’s over God brining a man where was Gods voice the only voice to listen too and never considered her children’s hurt either she only cared about her desires
I hated the fact that Church folk told me to stay in a marriage when he was cheating; they said the devil hate marriages; stay and get your testimony...Iam so thankful for one sister I was able to pull to the side to get clarification on God hating divorce and she assured me you can divorce for Adultery; I was out!!!! AND SO GLAD I DID...I stayed too long as a saved young woman wanted to live right. Great Topic 4 A's....
@@ltellis9359 My husband was unfaithful in our marriage but as hard as it was I decided go let God make the decision for me whether if it was His will to have me stayed in our marriage, and God has blessed our marriage ever since. He helped us worked through our problems and our marriage has never been this strong. Our faith in the Lord has never been this close and strong, what we thought was a doomed marriage, God turned it around and blessed us because chose to follow Him. I prayed that for all those that are struggling in their marriage to surrender to the Lord completely and let Him be your guiding light and anchor, He will not leave or forsake you!🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤
As soon as you told about the 2 people who prophesied that a man was coming and he was the man Joni was attracted to, I was convinced that this experience Joni was having was not from the Lord…..Satan uses “prophets” to speak untruth…..he will say what one wants to hear. So, I’m done with wondering if God truly did bring them together…..no, He did not. So sad to know that Joni is revealing the part of her life that is not a testimony for the glory of God☹️
I used to like her but now she makes me sick and is so fake and has even shoved her son who should be running Daystar out of the way probably for the money !!!
Per Joni, everyone grieves differently, and after 6, 7, 8 mths (her story timeline keeps changing) God told her to get her house in order. Seems to me, Doug placed the "courtesy call' ( that's what they're calling it, but I think it was an opportunity call); Joni was vulnerable and fell for attention, charm and lust; Doug is now seated in the position Marcus was grooming Jonathan to fulfill; Doug succeeded in achieving what he wanted..... more power and time in front of the camera. At their wedding reception his friend gave a toast in which he commented Doug is a go getter, he doesn't stop until he gets what he wants.
“And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 7:10-16, 39 KJV
Question.....why isn't Daystar a member of Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA)? Why doesn't Daystar provide an Annual Financial Report on their website? There is no accountability! Daystar Partners and viewers donate their hard earned money and the Lamb family benefits.
She can't justify being an adulteress no matter how cute she tries to dress it up...smh, she needs to repent and so does the husband. Tim Ross needs to repent for not rebuking her of this folly Luke 16:18 go read it!
Lord, if this is going to answer the prayer I prayed last night, open my eyes to see a fresh vision, ears to hear, a mind to understand, and a heart to receive. Have your way, Father. In Jesus' name, amen.
People have took mistranslated texts to misapply a teaching that isn’t even consistent in the OT. Lol it’s amazing that people will put yokes on folks they wouldn’t be able to bear themselves. Divorce was used when in fact “putting away” is the correct term. How can you still be married to your first spouse when in the LAW OF DIVORCE, it was an abomination to go back to your first husband if you divorced your second husband. Also, God himself gave Israel a bill of divorce yet folks saying God hates divorce. Huh?!?!?!?! The math ain’t mathing
Absolutely agree! Doug placed the "courtesy call" (this is what they are calling it, but seems like it was an opportunity call); Joni was lonely and vulnerable, she fell for attention, charm and lust; Doug was successful in getting what he wanted; at their wedding reception his friend gave a toast in which he commented "Doug is a go getter, he won't stop until he gets what he wants..... bingo!
Joni, the problem is......Dough always portrayed to have a good marriage and made comments about his wife that were positive. And then suddently he divorced and married you one year later. There was no adultery, so what was it then? Emotional bullying? Why then did he always had good things to say about his wife? People do look up to you and now question if we can trust you.
Well stated, but unfortunately they'll continue with their deceitful timeline and individuals will accept it because she's Joni Lamb. Their adults and make their own choices, but they need to step down from national christian television.
Trust God. Jesus is the ONLY plumbline. We need to mature as Believers. If we quit trying to pick people apart but instead pick God's Word apart we wouldn't be so disappointed in man. Whatever they did or did not do that's between them and God. Truth be told, God can't trust none of us. Divorce may not be someone's burden, but perhaps a gossip, or prideful, or self righteous.
This has to be the shortest episode ever, I couldn't believe it when it ended 🤣🤣 thank you for sharing your story, y'all are giving us cheat codes for marriage.. I'm so ready for one 😂😂
We dont judge....but we do question your credibility. We do love. We do get you are human. But we are just sharpening our pencils and discernment, which is not a bad thing anyway.
A man of character….Doug comes on TV and both of them act like lust filled teenagers!!! Not appropriate for a Christian program! We need to hear Lisa’s side of the story!! Doug is a marriage counselor….and he couldn’t fix his own marriage!! Who would want to get council from him??? Where are Jonathan and Suzi….they are gone since Doug came into the picture??? Something is not quite right here!!!
I found this interesting..... Just saw an article dated April 15, 2024 titled "Oral Roberts receives a $3 million (yes, million!) donation from Daystar for a new dining hall". The students will now have an option for " fine dining stations ". Isn't this the university their three lambs attended? Not sure I would want my hard earned money that I donated to Daystar going to fund this!
I got divorced before I committed suicide. I thought about doing it to get out of the marriage that 'church' keeps telling me I should not leave. God loves me. He dies for me and then I was going to kill myself for a sinner that could not save my soul. NO WAY!
Think Doug needs to speak up and tell his story, Joni is and has but why not Doug. Its difficult to be " in the spotlight" So many well know Christians have divorced and remarried. Divorce is not the unpardonable sin.
Thank you, Tim, for speaking on this! ❤ The late Dr. Myles Munroe spoke on this SOOO openly and with God’s truth! I pray you take the time to hear his message if you ever have the time!
The Church treats divorce people bad? How is that possible when more than half the Church and Church leaders have been divorced? She might have had criticism from a small group of people but i find it hard to believe she got all kinds of criticism.
Some of these comments are a trip...lol One thing I know for sure, GOD WILL NEVER GO AGAINST ANYONE'S FREE WILL. He can tell us to do something and we choose to disobey, we will reap those consequences... Someone can be fighting for a marriage while the other person still wants to leave. What do you do in that case? I'm sorry, but I am NOT fighting alone in a union. That is tiring and taxing on someone. If both persons don't want to fight for the marriage then, it's obviously a wrap. This is why the Holy Spirit in your marriage is VERY important. Some things are literally a case by case basis. You can bring all the scripture however, it isn't always literal to everyone. You have to involve God and ask Him about everything...period.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11 NLT [10] But for those who are married, I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord. A wife must not leave her husband. [11] But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else be reconciled to him. And the husband must not leave his wife. Be well and be at peace.
First of all, I love & respect Joni big time. She was like a rock when 2020 came around & they were silencing voices that didn't go along with lying agenda & narrative they were pushing which turned out to be a huge lie, & she gave them a platform to tell their side about the virus. When I heard about this when they first got married, I immediately said to my myself, how come we haven't heard from his former wife with these very serious accusations of emotional abuse??? It almost seems like there's a gag order on his former wife & that alone makes this whole thing so suspect. If this was true, why haven't we heard it from her??? And why didn't we hear from her Pastor who was Robert Morris of Gateway I believe? How does Jimmy Evans, who's a marriage counselor just like Doug is, come along & say this is ok??? What does the Bible say??? No doubt Joni had a Biblical right to remarry, but did he??? And let's be honest, he also married one the most powerful, if not the most powerful woman in Christian TV, & still fine as wine at 63 too. Let's not leave that out. I guess it's between them & GOD, but it still really doesn't sit well with me when accusations are made, & the accused isn't allowed to defend themselves or speak out. Would this ever happen in a court of law, or the Court of Heaven??? And nobody can tell me that's Biblical...
So disappointing listening to Joni twist the Word, I used to love watching her for many years, but she is trying to justify what she knows is wrong. Yes, God forgives, but she has a public platform for God, and is hurting the church's witness to the world.
You are correct in Joni twisting the Word of God , just like so many people who have married a divorced person, the Bible teaches if you're divorced and your covenant spouse is STILL ALIVE, you must not marry another person and only until the covenant spouse has died.
I think more of us should be directing people struggling in marriage to follow the example of Phil and Kay Robertson of Duck Dynasty. Look at the untold thousands who are being blessed because Kay would not give up on her womanizing, alcoholic, abusive husband. She was humiliated. But she was determined. Don’t let this silly rhetoric take hold and lead more people into bailing on their marriages. The enemy is after the family and our young people. Don’t let him win. Pray for Joni and Doug. But don’t let the enemy worm his way into the fabric of the church to justify divorce, willy-nilly. We have to fight!!!
Divorce happens and God is not mad at you. Some churches even have a ministry for those people who are hurting from getting a divorce. Remember God loves you, and God forgives.
@@michaelcunis8329 Malachi 2:13-17 NLT [13] Here is another thing you do. You cover the Lord’s altar with tears, weeping and groaning because he pays no attention to your offerings and doesn’t accept them with pleasure. [14] You cry out, “Why doesn’t the Lord accept my worship?” I’ll tell you why! Because the Lord witnessed the vows you and your wife made when you were young. But you have been unfaithful to her, though she remained your faithful partner, the wife of your marriage vows. [15] Didn’t the Lord make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth. [16] “For I hate divorce!” says the Lord, the God of Israel. “To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. “So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife.” [17] You have wearied the Lord with your words. “How have we wearied him?” you ask. You have wearied him by saying that all who do evil are good in the Lord’s sight, and he is pleased with them. You have wearied him by asking, “Where is the God of justice?” Matthew 19:1-12 NASB1995 [1] When Jesus had finished these words, He departed from Galilee and came into the region of Judea beyond the Jordan; [2] and large crowds followed Him, and He healed them there. [3] Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” [4] And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, [5] and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? [6] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” [7] They *said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce and send her away?” [8] He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. [9] And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” [10] The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” [11] But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. [12] For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” Be well and be at peace
I don't remember you being that beaming and happy with Marcus. I always felt some of your and Marcus' feelings toward each other were put on...strained. Forgive me if I am wrong...just saying... The eyes and expressions of the face say a lot. If you have really found true love, great! All is between you, Doug, and God...
Yes, He loves us, this is true, but according to the Bible, His Word is settled in Heaven. He says what He means & He means what He says. We will be held accountable for disobeying His commandments.
2:29 "I used to have that narrow view that we can't get a divorce unless it's adultery" Well, Matthew 19:9 and 1 Corinthians 7:12-17 is pretty narrow. Addiction and abuse are not grounds for divorce and remarriage. I am willing to be convinced if there is scriptural proof for it but I have not found any and nobody seems to be able to provide it when defending breaking covenants illegally. You can separate in the case of abuse and addiction as you wait on the Lord but you cannot go and form a covenant with another person because the nature of covenant is very exclusive and can only be broken when one or both parties form a sexual union with another person. May God have mercy on you, Ms. Joni, and please stop misleading people into adulterous arrangements. One can barely answer to the Lord for his/her own shortcomings let alone misleading countless people to live a life where they pretend like covenant means nothing.
I didn’t pick up on them “leading others into another covenant”. Where did you hear that piece? Additionally, the covenant is with God to care for one of His children through the marrying relationship. It isn’t actually a covenant with the person, I mean by default yes, but the covenant is a promise to God to care for them and I just felt that was important to identify. I agree there is confusion with the scriptural evidence on divorcing and I agree sometime separation is necessary for individuals to allow God to work in their hearts more fully. I also agree that during the distance period the covenant with God should still be honored by caring for the heart of the other person by not entering into another romantic relationship. I just think you maybe heard a message that wasn’t actually said. It is no secret that The Body doesn’t do the best job at discipleship and accountability in this area because we are a bunch of broken people…. I think that was the point of their discussion. The Holy Spirit is at work in the body and there are marriages in which a spouse is damaging the other and may be refusing to respond to their convictions and in that case it may be necessary to exit that marriage ….. I’m still evaluating what wisdom I get from the scriptures on this, but at the same time- it is difficult to reconcile how God would desire one of His children to endure consistent and repetitive damage through relational abuse. Chances are in these situations there were red flags in the beginning and the spouse that is being abused ignored those red flags or perhaps were not following Jesus and so the marriage was outside God’s will in the first place. God can work it out for the good of those that love Him but if the spouse that needs healing refuses to respond to the Holy Spirit or is just outright disobedient… does the God we know say “I’m sorry my child but you made this promise to care for this person no matter what so you must continue to endure their mistreatment which dishonors me because of that promise. Trust me. I’ll make it as good as I can, but you must experience the consequences of your choice.” I am not convinced that is the God we serve- if that is the case then I wonder what the point of Jesus’ sacrifice was? This is just a discussion. As I said- I’m still trying to sort through this with Him.
Please read Romans 1-18. Meditate on it because we fail to realize that everybody does not belong to God. We all have been made in his image but not all have God’s spirit which is LIVING. Some people are married to or sleeping with the enemy. Jesus will reveal to you if a person is not for you thats why having a relationship with him is so important. Jesus Christ says I am the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. Some marriages can be saved but some are dead. We serve a God of the living not the dead. The bible also states in Matthew 7:15-23 that you will know them by their fruits. In order to understand scripture you need the infilling of the Holy Spirit to interpret what speaks to you. That is why I say it doesn’t apply to all marriages and you can best believe if you are a child of God and you run to him he will reveal truth to you. He usually does but we are so focused on what we want that we miss the red flags. God does not want his children with people they are not equally yolked with. (2 Corinthians 6:14). We must ask ourselves did this relationship come God or the adversary. I pray that this helps. 🙏🏽❤️
@yvettegordon1202 Read 1 Corinthians 7 all of it...especially on being married to an unbeliever. Read, re-read, and meditate as the Lord tells us to do. Be well and be at peace.
Broad is the way that leads to destruction….narrow is the way that leads to life. Jesus doesn’t address many things topics in life head on without a parable, but marriage and divorce is one of the topics Jesus gives clear commands regarding-you may not divorce for any other reason apart from adultery.
Divorce Matthew 5:31-32 Furthermore it has been said, Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that lwhoever divorces his wife for any reason except 3sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery. So according to God’s Word, they’re both committing adultery but they prefer to ignore it bc it’s convenient for them.
“For you gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely different from the Spirit and the gospel you received from us!” 2 Corinthians 11:4 GNT
