The issue of people dont understand the consept of infinite punishment is, that people who is in en complete denial of the exsistens of Allah, how Can they ever claim that they find the infinite punishment is inporportionent to a finite crime ? Well. Why does the consept of infinite punishment bother you, if you indeed dont belive in Allah ? Remember the hadith, of the prophet pbbuh and his wife Aisha ra. She asked the prophet about the man who was known as humble, good and feeded the poore and took care of orphants. Would Allah forgive him. The prophet said, that He Will be in hellfire. Because He never Said “rabbil fiqhr’lii rabbil fiqhr’lii” Lord forgive me Lord forgive me. How Can A man who live his entire life, careless of God, claim salvation? Even if his crime was finite
In the same context : if u believe in one god and prophet mohamed to be the final prophet u can also get eternal reward in the form of paradise With little effort about 60 years of life time.
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be u n him) said: It would be said to the non-believers on the Day of Resurrection: If you were to possess gold, filling the whole earth, would you like to secure your freedom by paying that? He would say: Yes. Thereupon it would be said to him: Something easier (than this) was demanded from you (but you paid no heed to it).
When the transgression is made against a finite being, the punishment is a finite punishment. When the transgression is made against an infinite being, logic dictates that punishment is an infinite punishment. It makes 100% sense.
It’s very simple, if you’re disbeliever for your entire life then eternal punishment. But if you believe and not do good things, worship and do sins you’ll be judged and punished according to your sin but it’ll be not eternal, somehow you’ll be get out of the hell. So, believe in one true God and save yourself from infinite punishment (infinite according to our imagination, God knows the best).
I thought God said in the Quran that he's self sufficient and doesn't need us so if he doesn't need human beings to worship him then why does he threaten to burn them . Surley thats a contradiction it's like someone holding a gun to your head and saying your free to do whatever you want but then shooting you regardless .
@@seekkeith23 First of all who told you a person will enter jannah because of his deeds alone. All the good deeds done in your whole life wont even equal to your gift of eyesight. Many people are blind, what special did you do do to deserve your eyesight? Therefore, The Prophet (pbuh) said: "No one of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone." They asked, "Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Not even me, unless Allah covers me with His Grace and Mercy" (Bukhari, Riqaq, 18; Muslim, Munafiq, 71-73).
@@zeeshanzaman6454 My Response to this.. Yes, But doesn’t necessarily mean you will go to hell either. Many just come back to live another life, i know in Islam it doesn’t touch base with Reincarnation. But there is too many stories that are hard to pass up, and stories of Near Death experiences where people are sent back to their bodies and are told it is Not your time yet.
0:50 What's eschatology? I really appreciate people who ask when they don't know. These days people nod along pretending to understand, or worse roll their eyes when you ask a question.
Why then Europeans saying. "Without lies Islam dies". Can lies take you to heaven? Nooo. What is real Islam then? Real Islam is Hadith/Koran. I guess europeans and Americans are seeing boat load of Muslims are rejecting Koran hadiths. Every Muslim channel and speaker corner reject the books. Everyone have version of their own Islam. 2021 how long this dumb behavior last?
@@Sooyaan1 look at morons saying liar liar at speakers corner . What religion is this? They say Hadith and Koran is lie. Then what do you have? Just cult leader!
On the flip side of this conversation, when an individual accept, recognized and worship Allah, they will be given an eternal reward for some they did in this finite life because the subject of worship is infinite.
Yes, this is a fantastic point and on top of that we all know that all of our good deeds together are not enough to gain entry into Jannah, even if we were to worship a thousand years with complete perfection, that would still not be enough to be granted Jannah but we will enter Jannah through the Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness of Allah. Looking at it this way, Allah is far more Merciful and Forgiving than we deserve but it befits His Majesty and Glory to forgive who He wishes and grant His Jannah to whoever He wishes.
This is an amazing point. The way I see it Allah already gave the warnings as to what will cause someone to be in hell eternally so it's up to us to heed that warning and make the choice. Logically it's like if there's a warning sign that said beware cliff falls and someone ignore the warnings and jump of the cliff surely you will stay dead forever even though you jump off the cliff once, you're not gonna die for one second, one minute or whatever. That warning that Allah gave is a mercy to all, if Allah have no mercy Allah will just ignore and let us do whatever we want and tell us to find out for ourselves what it's that will make us go to paradise or hell.
Hell is there as a deterrent, do you really think the one that calls himself the Most Merciful will punish people for eternity? The Quran mentions that hellfire will remain for as long as Allah wishes so we don't know whether hellfire is eternal or not, we will see on judgment day.
It really shows Allah's mercy. Just a speck of Iman and you avoid eternal punishment, Allah asks for so little yet if you do a good deed it's counted in multiples while a bad deed is counted as simple one. Allah says if you remember me I will remember you. If you call to me I will hear you. If you walk to me I will run to you. Alhamdulillah for Islam, a mercy on mankind.
@@nuhashahmed7692 " most " Merciful and " all " merciful doesn't make a difference in regarding that he will burn humans forever there's nothing merciful torturing someone forever . God has nothing personal to gain from this and his creation doesn't. neither party's benefit from eternal punishment.
@@gjfjfk You seem to have missed the point with most not All merciful. The point is he doesn't forgive everyone and yet more merciful than any human can ever be.
Damn, this is the first time in a long time no one was talking louder than necessary. No one getting over emotional. Really enjoyed the conversation from both sides.
I don't think he is Christian voz he said islam and Christianity is his favourite so I'm assuming he is atheist, I have never seen a Christianity that wise and respectable
Nice conversation! We as Muslims believe that the almighty creator has infinite knowledge and wisdom. Therefor only he knows best if you're someone who would be willing to bow to him and worship him the way he told you or not whether you live 20 years or infinite years. And most people who refuse to worship god even if they could live infinitely they would never change and worship god. So, based on that the appropriate punishment for them is eternity in hell fire.
Fact is, only worst people according to Allah's judgement will reside in hellfire forever. Why Allah say's because he wants the humans not to cross the limits. Otherwise, people like Pharoh will say, I will burn for 10 years or 1 trillion years, then I will get the paradise in the end. They will have hope. But, if he resides in hell forever, there is no hope for him. Sometimes Allah use fear as well so the oppressors don't cross the limit. When they do, they will reside in hell forever. It's not that Allah doesn't mention it. Allah mentions it in the Quran. No one can claim(if they read Quran or know about it's verses) they didn't get any message from Allah. Best humans according to Allah will reside in Paradise forever, some bad people will have punishments for a certain time, then they will go to paradise and some others will reside in hell forever. Worst
قال اللّه تعالى وما خلقت الجن والإنس إلا ليعبدون. in street translation, i didnt create the Jinn and the minkind for any other reason than worshipping me. If you consider the things Allah subxaanah gave you without even asking, like breathing, intellect, health etc, And after everything He سبحانه وتعالى gave you, you still chose to live your whole life in disbelief and denied Allah subxaanah of any gratitude, not that Allah subxaanah need(s) us at all, cuz Allah is الغني الحميد, but still He عز وجل put some rules... if you come back to Me without acknowledging my existence and without Believing in Me, you will burn in hell and that is it. قال اللّه تعالى إنّه كان لا يؤمن باللّه العظيم. وقال تعالى ولا يخاف عقباها. Allah subxaanah is still merciful for letting you disobey Him in your whole life with the power to come to you from any angle at any time, i mean inside, outside, thoughts, nerves, cells, hopes, wishes, desires, people, family, day, night etc. and Allah subxaanah has already told you the consequences of your actions and opinions in your worldy life! ***And informed you that He عز وجل is indeed both the most forgiving and the most merciful And that his punishment is the most severe** قال اللّه تعالى ۞ نَبِّئْ عِبَادِي أَنِّي أَنَا الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ ﴿٤٩﴾ وَأَنَّ عَذَابِي هُوَ الْعَذَابُ الْأَلِيمُ.
eternal punishment but Allah also offers eternal life in heaven...no one argues about why eternal blessings in Jannah for deeds have been done in just 60 years of life?
@@like-icecream And the guy literally explained it with a great analogy. And said how boring those discussions are because Muslims will never accept the concept. The reality is, there is more than one way to look at something. Especially when it comes to things that can't be tested. Which is why trinity discussions are boring. In another 2000 years people will be parroting the exact same arguements 😂 Far better to have these discussions like this which are underpinned by a wider view of philosophy and not just Islamic philosophy.
No one goes hell for eternity for murder. It's only for ascribing partners or rejecting the message whilst being sound minded that lands one in hell for ever authibillah. Shirk is an infinitely wicked crime against an infinitely perfect Deity. Therefore is deserving of a never ending punishment
Maybe because, the finite transgression is only finite due to the intersection of God and not because the transgressors had decided to stop out of there own will. Had it been they were completely free the transgressors would transgress endlessly and this is why the punishment is also endless. However this is just my own think Allah (SWT) knows best.
He argues like God is a robot and should follow a specific route and that this speaker is the Boss! He refer to himself the will to argue and the will to accept Islam or reject. But he restricts God from having a will to punish or otherwise. Arrogant arguement.
i was just waiting for 29:30, and that shows how important knowing the whole context is. a single hadith can change the perspective of a subject. holding a stuff and keep digging into it without looking other source can leave you wondering, and can even make you stubborn holding a statement. great conversation!
Hellfire is not eternal, read V.128 An-naam in arabic: ila macha allahu v.107 and 108 (Hud) v23 (an-naba) the prophet mohamed talked about the last men in the hellfire who after he go in paradise
Hellfire is not eternal, read V.128 An-naam in arabic: ila macha allahu v.107 and 108 (Hud) v23 (an-naba) the prophet mohamed talked about the last men in the hellfire who after he go in paradise
Isn’t the simple answer to this mans very valid question, that there is infinite punishment for a finite action because it’s meant to: A) show the magnitude of the action that’s been done (i.e. shirk - associating partners with Allah), and B) deter a person from carrying out the action. This is done out of pure love for us so we stay on the right path without thinking twice. A bit like the capital punishment.
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَظْلِمُ ٱلنَّاسَ شَيْـًٔا وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱلنَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ Indeed, Allah does not wrong the people at all, but it is the people who are wronging themselves. Quran Yunus 10:44
Why are comments deleted by RU-vid or the uploader? I don't understand.. These people stand on streets and decide what right and wrong and misguide millions and we don't get to keep my views which are much more simpler.. Videos like these are fine but moment somebody wants to question these videos., the comments get removed.. Very disgusting strategy..
If god is telling you in advance that eternal punishment in hell is a possibility for anyone and everyone, is that not being merciful in itself? Because he has warned us in advance? Bearing in mind the goal is for everyone to avoid hell, is this not the biggest deterrent imaginable? So if we are told this and we don’t follow through, are we not to blame? In my mind we cannot say god is not merciful if he has already warned us of this. Obviously God is the most just and wise and therefore in his infinite wisdom will decide who goes to hell. (E.g. someone who has never heard of any religion but will he/she still go to hell).
Is that not more of a threat than a warning? In that sense God says that you ever have to believe in me or I will make sure that you suffer for all of eternity. God wants eternal, loyal and absolute servitude and threatens non-conformation with eternal suffering.
Hellfire punishment is consistent with the crime that the disbelievers did in life because if they were given an infinite amount of chances they would always disbelieve in god and a believer in god will always believe in god.
That's not the argument Hijab ascribes to and neither do I. God will not punish a person infinitely because of something they might/will do but haven't done. That's why we are here, to be judged for what we have done.
Please someone tell this to Mohammed Hijab.. The reply from him was not satisfactory to me.. Here my response to the question of eternal punishment: the punishment for eternity is only for the biggest sin.. That is a disbelief in God or syirk..once a person is disbelief and he hold that disbelief until he die, then it's an eternity state of mind of disbelieving therefore it is only fair that the punishment is for eternity.
topic of the knife shikh Mohamed hijab is taking about it actually happened to my friend died 2 days ago someone killed him with a knife I’m really sad he was my best friend
I believe that the conversation shouldn't go there in the first place; Allah is all Wise, Merciful, and Just and cannot be questioned by a limited knowledge being like us human. End Case.
Ok and Muslims wouldn't argue against that fact. But he's talking to a non muslim who doesn't believe in the same thing, so without taking the conversation elsewhere, how would you discuss the matter with a non muslim?
@@EpikMunk it should be enough explanation for him, If you would explain the difference between All knowing Allah and his limited self, it should be enough to understand, and actually this is the basis that he should accept Islam upon, not to rational the idea in a way that suits his limited mind. Cause the question he's asking is wrong in the first place. Plus, This is how He is SW. The Guy shouldn't be demanding answers or even proposing questions like this, and he shouldn't be allowed to do so. If he gets it he gets it, if he doesn't, he doesn't. May Allah give hedaya to all who's sincere.
@@Mr_Moe_Eng When I asked you the first time, it should have been enough for you to understand and answer, you couldn't so I had to ask you a second time, you still couldn't and now I'm having to ask a 3rd time. Ive explained to difference between Muslim and non muslim and that should have been enough for you to understand and that should be the basis for you to answer my question. This conversation should not have even got to this point. You should have understand my question when I originally posted it and answered it then instead of me having to take the conversation further and ask you a 3rd time how you are going to explain to a non muslim without going into further conversation elswhere.
These type of arguments are quite rudimentary to explain with regards to GODS justice and mercy, what they fail to understand is the 3 dimensions. 1st: Heaven 2nd: Hell 3rd: Universe. After the day of judgement the universe and everything in it will be destroyed so we are left with 2 dimensions Heaven and hell and no other place in between, therefore if you deny the KING OF ALL KINGS, the OWNER of the kingdom of Heaven and all things, then how can you have the audacity to enter the Kingdom, the only other place is hell. A person can die but the soul never dies, so you will either live in heaven or hell.. Its pretty simple really...
I don’t believe someone will go to hell forever if they Deny God as Worthy of Worship. It doesn’t need nor want any worship, and doesn’t require you to worship. It’s a free choice, God only says it and gives guidence, Only because it can benefit you. As long as you are a good person, be spiritual, help others. Why should they go to hell, it doesn’t make any sense to give humans free will and at the end punish them forever since they don’t believe in the Creator. Even If they did Good on Earth. On top of that we don’t remember anything before we got to Earth as a baby, and hard Evidence for a Creator doesn’t exist. So i don’t blame them, BUT i would give my best reasoning on Why there Must Be Creator
“ denying god worthy of worship” is a straight insult to god.. you do know that right... it doesn’t matter if he needs or doesn’t need our worship the fact you said “ his not worthy of worship” is a straight insult to god...
@@tiktokasylum5186 Do we then deserve eternal punishment because of a foolish choice we made in our finite knowledge and time? If God were truly wise and merciful he would not let a good man suffer for all of eternity because of the mans ignorance for which God himself was responsible
Allah has told us the punishment for disbelief in this life so the fact that its infinite doesn't matter because he has already told you the punishment so that makes Allah fair and just because he has already told you what is going to happen and if you still do it its your own fault
We Muslim always forget the one most important things that the commandment of "do not speak about something which you have know knowledge of". This is not a intellectual debate rather a debate to change someone's point view,whom just disagree with every agreement even the argument makes sense just so that he can keep this point of view intect. This is a really small discussion to explain very quickly. Allah is Marcyfull Allah is also Just, Allah is the true creator & only He has every right to do whatever he wants with his Creation.If Allah decides that disbeliever are going to ethernal hellfire it's He has every right to do so.He is the one and only who set the rules and we are simply here to obey.
Arrogance causes people to question what they know to be true. It's simple really, belief in the unseen or don't... Hell and heaven, hot & cold, eternal punishment or eternal paradise.
I'm Muslim and you know What Allah call himself as a Just God so if People asked themselves if he is Truly Just and Fair it's fine ???? إن الله لا يظلم الناس شياء ولكن الناس أنفسهم يظلمون He " Allah" repeats in his Quran Couple of times that verse
Eternal punishment is a fact. The punishment is a circumstance that a soul will acclimatise to for eternity. Hell has a core which is the Fire. This Fire this Blaze this Inferno is different from the earthly fire but has extremes of heat and opposite of heat too
Well, but God "Allah" gives 1)mankind Free Will in this Warldly life if you make more good deeds than bad in this Warldly life then you will Go into eternal Paradise, 2) and if you make more Bad deeds than good in this Warldly life you will have eternal Punishment God is Justice and Fair and we thank God (Allah) for being just and fair to us
So , an atheist/polytheist good person would go to hell fire for eternity but a muslim with emaan will not, even if they commit serious crimes. Plz explain
So, you are saying this good person who once fed a dog but regularly beat his parents will be punished by god?! Doesn’t make any sense. Similarly Here you aren’t considering the magnitude of shirk, associating partner with god. How can he be a good person when he do shirk. He may good with people but if he isn’t worshiping god alone he doesn’t deserve heaven
This is not a good line of argumentation. Harming a baby, which is innocent, is the biggest sin. And a human being cannot physically harm God howsoever. It would make sense if Mohmd instead used the same action, like libel or lying against someone's character as an example instead. You can't libel a tree, there's nothing to libel. If you libel a man, he's is obligated to respond finite damages. Libelling God should then intuitively carry infinite damage for which only God can provide respite (aka atonement through worship).
Also I think the Dawah folks are not able to explain idolatry to laymen. According to my understanding after reading the prophets biography (Martin Ling version), the reason early Muslims destroyed idols was not becuase they couldnt stand them, but because the pagan Arabs kept using them as an excuse to fight the prophet. I believe if the folks in Mecca simply agreed with the Prophet and said that they consider God to be a single entity which is most praiseworthy, then the prophet would've simply acquired Kaaba for Allah and instituted it as a mosque (or made it a museum but not a place worship). The continuous fights with the Muslims of Medina waged on by the Koresh, who called on to Hubal and Baal repeatedly enraged the prophet and he had to finally put an end to this nonsense. Not only Mecca, but the nearby town of Taif also thought of opposing Muslims because they wanted to maintain their revenue from the worship of Al-at and were working with the Bedouin to harass Muslims travelling to and around Mecca. All of this counts as severe transgressions against the believers, hence the command to "strike the non-believers on their necks". In other words, let them reap what they sow.
The idea for infinite punishment comes from thier stubbornness even if you preach them to eternity with facts with logic with kindness they'll never admit they are wrong even though they know they are wrong Hazrat nooh (A.S) preached 950 years its our 9 generations amd how many reverted 80 ?
But still this isn't self-consistent at all(from my perspective which might be wrong). In law, there is something known as Mens Rea and Actus Reus. Mens Rea is basically proving that the conscious of that person is guilty of that crime that they are said to have done i.e did this guy had the intention. And, Actus Reus means to prove that the person in question has done that "ACT". So, on one hand we have, the INTENTION-Mens Rea and on the other hand we have, PROOF OF ACT-Actus Reus. (Hope I'm writing the legal terms correctly). In SHIRK, that is associating partners with Allah, the ACTUS REUS is *confirmed*. However, it is dubious that the MENS REA is *confirmed* in the case of Attribution-al debate by Mohammad Hijab(since Allah's attributes are Infinite, that's why Punishment in Hell would be infinite, for that specific sin of Shirk ONLY). The evidence can be found in many places. It is said in Quran or Hadith that if angels were sent to mankind, they would've believed in Allah immediately(I don't remember the verse of hadith, my bad). And elsewhere, it is also mentioned that one cannot COMPREHEND Allah and His Majesty and His Attributes(well, this is I think I don't have to quote or anything since its basic belief). Moreover, the evidence can be found out of Islamic text- the Graham's Number. A number so big, if you try to imagine your head will become a black hole or something, eve though its not even Infinity. Nonetheless, I think we all can safely agree that imagining or contemplating INFINITY is not the realms of possibility. Hence, it can also be concluded that(I hope so), A MAN CAN NEVER CONSCIOUSLY GO AGAINST AN INFINITE BEING i.e ALLAH. Hence, the MENS REA can never be proven and therefore, NOTHING CAN JUSTIY ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IN HELL. The thing is, "KNOWING" that something is Infinite, referring to Allah, AND "ACTUALLY KNOWING AND COMPREHENDING" something is Infinite, are two different things. One cannot Comprehend Infinity and Hence, one cannot consciously and ACTUALLY go against an INFINITE BEING i.e ALLAH. Well, that's my conclusion, what do you guys think? Also anyone who can relay this to Mohammad Hijab, would love to have a response from the guy himself. Ciao!
I would say a simpler argument, and more understandablw one is, Allah, is the source of justice where we take our justice values from, For him to say that Disbeleif deserves eternal punishment, The it does, as he is the source if moral and justice
Eternal hell existed but also an eternal heaven also exist, arguing about the unfairness off hell , why not also argue about heaven? It will never enough to them
how it all comes together is that God can forgive anything, it's up to you to ask for that forgiveness so that you never have to have punishment in the first place. If you dont commit sins against other people; beyond Shirk and Kufr there is no way for you to commit a sin in this life that you couldn't ask God to forgive you for alhamdulillah and inshallah He would not forgive you for repenting.
this is so easy to prove,just on the idea of justice and logic take for example a game, where people can win by following a certain set of rules and those that dont follow the rules loose, so when someone loose they dont loose for some amount of time and then win, they loose forever.(Quran states them as loosers and winners, and also called them sore loosers because they cant admit their loss becuase of their ego which is also what led to Iblees being a sore looser.) the only way they couldve won was following a set of rules which they didnt. OR the game is played again with them knowing the rules (but Allah states that they will again do the same thing because even in the first game they knew the rules but still wouldnt follow) (exception is that when someone is unable to follow the rules and this is where Allah has stated that a valid exception will be entertained in the after life since Allah is all Wise ,Mercyful,Knowing,Just,Powerful. the idea of justice in this scenario is very acceptable to everyone these people just dont want to follow the rules and win as well.
Humbly, a less complicated and a more simplistic argument for why God talks about eternal punishment is that if the punishment for transgression against God was finite, then then whole world would transgress with minimal concern for the gravity of the crime. Afterall everyone will have a happy and blissful hereafter after paying for their crimes and hence the need to adhere to Gods laws and his guidance is minimised and justifiably so given the temptations of the worldly life.
I'd say that's very very naive thing to say, in Islamic Athar there's a hadith about how one person who has been THE MOST blessed in Dunya, basically the one who was THE MOST spoiled in comfort, and is then is "dipped" in Hellfire for a moment, and is then asked : have you ever seen any comfort in your life EVER? have you EVER had anything good in your life? and he would say: O Allah, I'd never seen any such thing! So to think that people would "take their chance" and "go through hell" and pass their way to heaven is just unrealistic in my opinion... I bet you can't bring me ONE sane individual who is willing to spend 60 seconds totally engulfed in flames for anything in this world, and it's reported in hadith that the fire in Hell is SEVENTY TIMES hotter than the fire in this Dunya, and No, the exegesis of this hadith is that what it means is: If any source of fire in this WHOLE Dunya was collected and the flames that it produced was counted as one in terms of how hot it is, the fire in Jahannam (Hell) is 69 times surpassing that one.... You are "playing" with "hellfire" here brother...
@@Baraa.K.Mohammad do you even understand what I I have said before critising it? Your explanation has nothing to do with what I have said. Please read what I said before you call someone naive or playing with hell fire.
@@Ayod2k7 than just just “ brother you made a typo in the title it is eternal instead of iternal “ or something among those lines. More beneficial for everyone brozzer
@@instagramaccount96 listen brother I just wanna hint to the poster to fix the typo brother , without announcing there's a mistake brother. That's my intention brother you understand brother ok bruzzer
This vision of a mean god who criminalizes the freedom to believe by punishing for eternity those who were not convinced about his existence is the saddest and poorest form of theism. Fortunately, those who came closest to God by their purity of heart and mind or by a mystical experience, know that it's a crime of impiety to accuse the one who is the source of all Goodness, of all Love, of being jealous and cruel so that he tortures sentient beings for eternity. Such an abominable blasphemy may seem less odious in the mouth of a savage during barbaric times, who has no other conception of power than that which is expressed by a cruelty altered by blood; but there is not there the shadow of an excuse for people who claim to be civilized. Thanks to advances in medicine and resuscitation, more and more people have experienced a NDE(Near Death Experience), whatever their faith or atheism, they are not afraid of death anymore and are sure that the afterlife is pure knowing, pure bliss and pure love, they felt one with God! They have experienced something that is the opposite of what muslims believe.
If you conclude with God is all wise then an infinite punishment for what appears to be finite "sin" is fair because you are concluding that you aren't the most wise and infinite wisdom will always triumph finite wisdom... How are people so confused these days... smh.
masHallah very well spoken christian person..very logical rational as well.. he asks a valid question...how can a finite crime get infinite punishment? to make you happy brother i have answer... inshALLAH we believe those who have the least sense of an UPPER BEING will be granted jannah after spending sometime in hell.. our prophet was promised that most of his UMMAH will be granted jannah.. also to answer ur question...it is also possible to commit crime of infinite impact in a finite duration and in that case the punishment is infinite too..hope that helps..
There is a scholarly opinion held by Ibn taymiah and Ibn Alqayem and others that says that hell is not eternal and Gods mercy will prevail and he will destroy it .
Interesting he agrees that he has finite faculties but then expects to understand a being with infinite attributes or challenge God with intelligence which is a finite attribute...
it is interesting for me about "the burden of proof" --because it makes clear about the punishment, about how long, about how to serve the sentence----because Allah knows everything, and He knows that human judge, human jury, prosecutors, police officers, or witnesses altogether do not know----even He knows the real intention of people of doing something ---so the eternal punishment does make sense you know, in criminal laws, people get punishment for anything they have done that is considered broken the law----whatever their real intention-----because, simply, we never know the real intention of the person doing that things. and, you know it very well too, if nobody knows about the act of crime or against the law (somehow your accountant know how to manipulate tax system maybe, :)), or somehow the justice system has nothing to prove, or has no evidence, or even they do not have any article or chapter for rules the act---you can go away from human court or they know everything but you hide very well in the island of pacific, ... but since He knows everything, nobody can get away from His judgement and ALSO make sense, because He knows everything, He is mercy and merciful. Just ask for forgiving, and you will be forgiven. So it is also make sense after some time in hellfire, some will get His mercy and then put into jannah. may Allah bless us all
19:50 wow! I didn't see that coming! what an argument! I was stunned by it, Tony was stunned by that he literally asked for some time to recover, lol! He seems like a genuine guy and very interesting in his takes and gentle attitude!
He's basically trying to justify God using science? I didn't know science has any interest of the supernatural since science is trying it's best to prove itself only from a naturalistic POV. And trying to insert the idea of God into only three modes is outrageous. God is omnipresent, therefore his argument falls apart. If he finds the idea of God only as a trinity as something valid, he basically managed figuring out the mystery of God😂
To those people that say let us return if accepted that would be unjust towards The people that didn’t need to return and entires heaven.. they accepted god and came to conclusion why couldn’t the others unless it’s the people of fitra we are talking about..
its fair because it wouldnt be fair to the ppl that tried to be good and follow allah to make it to heaven with hard work , if allah lets an evil person in then it wouldnt be fair to the ppl that tried.. this is a test and there must be order and punishment and love.. Allah gives us plenty of time to turn back.. only allah know who deserve to be in hell for eternity
