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Is faith compatible with reason? 

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BBC One 10 February 2013
Amongst those taking part are Will Storr, author of Heretic, Adventures with the Enemies of Science; Robert Griffiths, author of Slaying the Dragon; Christina Biggs from Christians in Science; the past-life regression therapist Andrea Foulkes; Journalist Oliver Thring; Julia Manning MP.

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@chrisankers5969
@chrisankers5969 10 лет назад
I wonder if the blonde woman understands when the grown ups are talking .
@alexvtan
@alexvtan 6 лет назад
It's the result of the peroxide she uses to make her hair that blond.
@jordangayle7794
@jordangayle7794 5 лет назад
What grown ups?
@netecrivernetecassassins2945
@netecrivernetecassassins2945 3 года назад
@@jordangayle7794 The ones with the intelligence to mention confirmation bias lol
@kaiza6467
@kaiza6467 6 лет назад
“Thoughts and feelings come from the heart” That is he dumbest thing I’ve heard all week. It’s literally just a blood pump.
@mausperson5854
@mausperson5854 3 года назад
That's true in one sense and definitely true in response to the New Age nonsense on offer here, but every part of your body operates in a feedback loop so, strictly speaking, the heart does influence thoughts and feelings, then so do your elbows and toes and liver and genitals... the brain doesn't operate in a vacuum.
@charleslock6432
@charleslock6432 3 года назад
@@mausperson5854 well said, there a neurons in the heart too. still don't agree with her
@templarseries
@templarseries 2 года назад
It literally isn't, it's got neurons.
@freebeing6952
@freebeing6952 8 лет назад
"It's complete babble." Hahaha. Well said, sir. Well said indeed. Faith and religion are babble. The tragic irony is that those who oppose religious assertions care more for the truth than those religious people who claim to already have it.
@patrickparker8417
@patrickparker8417 8 лет назад
+Free Being Again an atheist has it back to front .
@freebeing6952
@freebeing6952 8 лет назад
Hahahahahahahahahaha are you serious?
@jrock2310
@jrock2310 8 лет назад
+Patrick Parker so we must first assert it as true even w/out knowledge of it? that's religious logic / confirmation bias. syllogistic logic would ask why should I simply assert it as true?
@davidvarley1812
@davidvarley1812 3 года назад
Humans aren't rational, there driven by emotion. Science works on logic. A scientific theory as to be quantifiable and undergo rigious testing my independent, impartial scientific minds. Only when the scientific community as a whole or majority are willing to accept it does it become fact but even then it can be reevaluated if new information comes to light. If those people had been debating dark matter, they would have had no emotional response and asked for a credible, scientific solution. Only agnostic like me, say we don't know if God exists or not. It's only agnostic people who have a absent of emotion upon the issue. If you don't know something, you should admit you don't know. Faith and belief are perfectly acceptable arguments. I can put my cat out in the morning and have faith or a belief in that my cat will come home but I can't say I know that as a fact, until its returned home.
@tianamaycry
@tianamaycry 11 лет назад
The atheist experience saved me from my delusions. I have much to thank Matt Dillahunty and all the other great people involved with that show.
@nathanmckenzie904
@nathanmckenzie904 4 года назад
You and me both
@dawnatkinson7704
@dawnatkinson7704 3 года назад
I see this comment is 7 years old - do you mind if i ask if you are still an atheist?
@tianamaycry
@tianamaycry 3 года назад
@@dawnatkinson7704 Absolutely. This comment still stands. I actually thank you for reminding me of it.
@dawnatkinson7704
@dawnatkinson7704 3 года назад
@@tianamaycryGood for you! I wasn't brought up in a religious household so atheism was very natural and logical to me but I can appreciate that people who were indoctrinated can struggle and sometimes are so fearful they return to their faith. My partner was brought up in a cult (The Children of God) and the repercussions of this upbringing was pretty damaging.
@oswaldogarcia4144
@oswaldogarcia4144 3 года назад
That's how I left my "beliefs" behind. And they led me to Hitch, Harris, Dawkins, and reason in general
@gebatron604
@gebatron604 10 лет назад
That physicist was clearly taking the word faith too literally when she was talking about relationships when she really means trust
@Technicallyimright
@Technicallyimright 6 лет назад
Guy Potts it’s scary she’s working in a lab. Get her the fuck out of there and get her making sandwiches where she belongs.
@truthsayer1662
@truthsayer1662 5 лет назад
That physicist a is real disappointment to the scientific community.
@gman4074
@gman4074 5 лет назад
Trust is faith u can't put trust in a test tube or physics lab
@foddyfoddy
@foddyfoddy 5 лет назад
Absolutely. She is confusing 2 meanings of faith. One is based on evidence and the other isn't.
@dirhido9665
@dirhido9665 8 лет назад
i stopped the video when the woman said "Quantum physics bizarly".
@MrBluesbabe
@MrBluesbabe 8 лет назад
You made the right choice.
@azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn
@azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn 10 лет назад
3:05 'people in your family might be overweight' camera cut to that shot at just the right moment
@jerichosharman470
@jerichosharman470 3 года назад
This whole notion that “every one has their own truth and their own truth is their own reality” really is setting people up for severe delusion.
@csadler
@csadler 10 лет назад
The rational side vs various god beliefs. The key word here is 'various'. By definition this puts all the religions in intellectual conflict. They can't all be right. So glad I'm on the rational side.
@johnzv96
@johnzv96 10 лет назад
There are many different denominations contradicting each other but all claiming to be the truth. There are many sects within denominations contradicting each other. It is arrogant to think we know that which we are unable to comprehend. When we think we have the answers will stop asking questions. Questions lead to progress and truth. Religion is the biggest impediment to mankind’s progress. There are billions of arrogant people in this world living their lives based on tenets set by a fraud. The goal is to eventually navigate the heavens and live forever in paradise. We will only be able to achieve this through our ability to reason. Intellect will be our salvation if we are to survive. Religion conditions us to think we have all the answers stifling curiosity and thus cultivation of the intellect. When we have answers we don't need questions. Questions lead to truth, understanding, and progress. Religion is the biggest impediment to mankind's progress, quality of life and survival. There are so many different denominations and so many more sects within and much more than that, that have been forgotten. There is only ONE truth and it is beyond our comprehension and if you don't realize that you are disingenuous or delusional All religions are a fraud except yours of course.
@GhostLightPhilosophy
@GhostLightPhilosophy 4 года назад
“The heart has intelligence” She must not have a heart then
@chezchez2005
@chezchez2005 3 года назад
Lol that was hilarious !
@GaganSingh-nx2yv
@GaganSingh-nx2yv 3 года назад
Bruh
@myview9923
@myview9923 3 года назад
How dare you.. she have a big heart.. what missing is a brain 🧠
@idimonemidam
@idimonemidam 2 года назад
Hahahahah
@Ms10000123
@Ms10000123 8 лет назад
I was raised religious, and once believed it, and I'm ashamed to have ever been like the believers here. Belief is not intellectual, and not a conclusion. Also, a naturalistic world would have unique fingerprints. DNA is also unique, because it is the result of the past together with change. Rarely is anything exactly the same in nature. It is similar at best, and lots of fingerprints are similar.
@jrock2310
@jrock2310 8 лет назад
+Ms10000123 correct... and she was almost invoking that we're all so different because of finger prints. well, we also all have a heart, a brain, lungs, arms, legs, feet, fingers & toes.... which would seemingly make us virtually all the same in that context. and she's trying to connect the dots w/ something spiritual or supernatural. but the problem w/ her scenario (and there's really not getting around this) is that she cannot confirm her god unless maybe she has god's fingerprints. of course that sounds short-sided, but her argument is no less short-sided. red herrings are no way to go about providing evidence or even good examples to a flawed scenario.
@jennicawilton4322
@jennicawilton4322 4 года назад
Interesting to hear you say that. May I ask what made you first have your doubts and helped you break out? Was it something someone said? Or learning new info about the world that contradicted doctrine? Or a realisation moment? Also, may I ask how old you were? I'm intrigued as to the first step/event that helps people break from the indoctrination. Many thanks in advance. x
@ramptonarsecandle
@ramptonarsecandle 3 года назад
Why doesn’t he answer the prayers of those suffering horrible atrocities in which he has the power to intervene, but chooses to answer menial requests such as helping us to raise funds at a church car wash, or to win at a sporting competition?
@umasarat2983
@umasarat2983 4 года назад
Where reason ends,faith begins! When you don't know and you wonder about it, you go for the faith. But you know, then you take to reason!
@kishintuchis4133
@kishintuchis4133 6 лет назад
THE ANSWER IS ' NO , FAITH AND REASON ARE, BY DEFINITION , COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE .
@bashkillszombies
@bashkillszombies 10 лет назад
NO! -- There you go, I saved you 17 minutes of your life.
@bibiayube677
@bibiayube677 5 лет назад
Oh how I miss the hitch could imagine him in this mix
@octaviolove
@octaviolove 4 года назад
Hitch slappin the lot
@jzfvos4038
@jzfvos4038 3 года назад
I can't imagine him being able to sit through this drivel, such low intelligence arguments like the lady just saying "what if x, y, z"...
@bobman929
@bobman929 3 года назад
Every single one of them would get called a fascist crackpot.
@cachanilla3839
@cachanilla3839 3 года назад
Bibi Ayube ... I came here to get away from all the "Oh how I miss Hitch!" replies and yet, here you are.. 😉
@AIenSmithee
@AIenSmithee 3 года назад
I think it’s like the Batman quote, he didn’t live long enough to become the villain. He would not be able to hold his tongue enough to appease the outrage mob. Surely, some moral Puritan of radical left writing for huff po’ or the guardian would “expose” him as a gate way to the alt right. He might fair better than Dawkins or Harris but still be stained with the brush of moral impurity for his views on democrats, gender roles and his harshness on Islam. Although he always had something that others did not, an intimidating unyielding conviction for justice. So much so that I have seen people who would object to what he said if said by anyone else. There’s nothing close to a replacement.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 7 лет назад
Will Storr's book, Heretic: The Enemies of Science, is fantastic, for anyone who is interested by what he says here. Informative AND a page turner.
@murtazax
@murtazax 11 лет назад
I just screamed. I can't take it anymore. Why do people refuse to let go of their god??? why????? So much evidence right in their face, and they cant let go?
@Resenbrink
@Resenbrink 3 года назад
The number of hoops these people are prepared to jump through in order to prop up their gods is quite incredible.
@darkeen42
@darkeen42 3 года назад
Faith is literally the suspension of reason
@oyblech8671
@oyblech8671 3 года назад
as she's babbling, the quick cut back to will at 2:45 is priceless. this is the gaze of a man that's utterly confused by the presence of a toddler in a grownup's body in a show called "the big questions"
@louicoleman2910
@louicoleman2910 6 лет назад
Blondie is mistaking quantum mechanics for quantum healing shit
@sugarmouse3555
@sugarmouse3555 6 лет назад
I would imagine the blond woman has experienced many things but one would be never hearing back from anyone she had discussed her beliefs with.
@rodneysettle8106
@rodneysettle8106 5 лет назад
The scientific method or scientific response to a question asked when we don’t have the answer is “we don’t know, but we are working to find the answer to the question, not to say god did it.
@davidvarley1812
@davidvarley1812 3 года назад
That should be the answer to the question of whether God or gods exist. Until science is reasonably sure of the existence or absence of God or gods, the answer is we don't know. If someone wants to believe in God or gods that's fine, they should be honest with themselves and others and admit its based on illogical wishful thinking, emotion and a desire to explain that which one cant rationally explain. Athiesm is also based on an emotional and illogical response and is also unreasonable.
@rodneysettle8106
@rodneysettle8106 3 года назад
@@davidvarley1812 I don’t think science can nor cares to prove a god exists, as you say it’s only out of wishful thinking and paranoia.
@davidvarley1812
@davidvarley1812 3 года назад
I agree science doesn't want to answer the question of weather god or gods does or doesn't exist. However science doesn't always start out looking for what it finds. I doubt physicists 70 years ago set out to find black holes or dark matter, it was just happened. However if spirituality or religion was looking to science, which it isn't, for validation, they may have many centuries or perhaps millennia to wait. In the mean time many things considered spiritual today will be explained away by science. For centuries our ancestors thought God caused earthquake but today science as taught us about the movement of tectonic plates.
@manwithadronespain
@manwithadronespain 3 года назад
@@davidvarley1812 You could argue that the history of science is based on proving/disproving the existence of God. For millennia the answers to life's questions have been God. Scientific discoveries have given logical answers to these things throughout history.
@davidvarley1812
@davidvarley1812 3 года назад
@@manwithadronespain yes, you could.
@jasonbyrne8487
@jasonbyrne8487 4 года назад
Q: Is faith compatible with reason? A: Of course not...
@0VistaDelMar0
@0VistaDelMar0 10 лет назад
Newton was also an alchemist.
@patrickparker8417
@patrickparker8417 8 лет назад
+todd matheson So what , don't you have some weird habits
@francoisona
@francoisona 3 года назад
A physicist proving the existence of their invisible magic papa with the story of the Beauty and the Beast. Does anything more need to be said?
@purplericee
@purplericee 8 лет назад
It's not. Are we done?
@effyleven
@effyleven 9 лет назад
Faith and reason are not compatible. By definition, "faith" is belief despite the absence of any good REASON to believe. If the belief was reasonable (that is to say, for some good reason, say, something like evidence) then it automatically ceases to BE faith, anymore. The problem here is that too many people believe faith is some sort of *virtue*... something they are proud of having as if believing things without a reason was somehow a good thing. It is NOT. Faith is a failing of the intellect, and not a triumph of the spirit... The sooner humanity can abandon faith altogether and relegate its practise to history, the better. Now, this process is well under way, but it still moves ahead too slowly.
@101mythbuster
@101mythbuster 9 лет назад
You have it all perfectly backwards. Faith is the very principle of learning and discovery, not doubt. If we all had a perfect knowledge and understanding of all things, there would be no need for faith, but clearly we do not, so faith is therefore essential. Your definition of faith is merely a secularist definition, not what is actually taught in scripture. Faith is a spiritual gift from God to help guide us to all truth. It is not at all in conflict with sound reason, only with flawed theories. Faith and reason go hand in hand. Therein lies the difference between KNOWING something and UNDERSTANDING it.
@emenz910
@emenz910 9 лет назад
+effyleven your talking about blinds faith, blinds faith is saying I believe because I do, faith is based on reason, the reason why I faith is........, but is must be reasonable, don't confuse the two.
@effyleven
@effyleven 9 лет назад
101mythbuster You can't have any "spiritual gift" from something that doesn't exist. Faith in its existence with absolutely zero evidence for such belief is not some kind of intellectual superiority. .. it is being an idiot. It is time to grow up, and STOP being an idiot!
@effyleven
@effyleven 9 лет назад
+Emenz As already stated... faith is NOT having a reason for belief. That's the whole point of faith... the LACK of reason. Consequently, as already stated, if there WAS a reason for belief, BY DEFINITION it would not be faith. Understanding fundamentals like this is crucial to any discussion on the matter. If you do not know what the words you are using actually MEAN, there is no way we can exchange any understanding, of fundamentals or anything else. Good day.
@101mythbuster
@101mythbuster 9 лет назад
effyleven​​​​ Faith is the assurance of things for which we have no proof, hence, it is in and of itself a form of spiritual evidence. Faith is not merely intellectual belief as so many atheists define it, it is something you can feel. And yes, it is a very real gift, actually. When did I ever say faith afforded me intellectual superiority? Not sure were you got that from, since the only ones thinking themselves intellectually superior are atheists, always accusing believers of being irrational. Well let me tell you, I have absolutely no need of suspending reason in order to accommodate my faith. Unlike you, I understand that our scientific knowledge of the universe doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. It would be irrational for me to discard the possibility of God. Don't be mad at me just because your tiny little mind can't fathom it.
@robertmcelwaine7024
@robertmcelwaine7024 3 года назад
Watching this made me remember something the renowned physicist, Lawrence Krauss said about people letting their preconceptions of what's logical dictate what the conclusion should be rather than the conclusions forcing them to conform to what it has shown. It's like people who lived in the medieval era who thought the world was flat because that's how they perceived it to be. This ties in with the blonde haired woman who brings up Issac Newton, and quotes him as saying that the fact there are thumb prints and that no two thumb prints are the same was enough to persuade him that God exists. It's essentially the whole intelligent design argument that gets repeatedly trundled out ad nauseum. She's using Newton to rationalize jumping to the conclusion that no two intriciate thumb prints being identical means there must therefore be some intelligent mind that designed them. Her preconception of what should be logical allowing her to dctate what the conclusion should be. That is a scientifically illogical fallacy.
@Thallium212
@Thallium212 9 лет назад
That's the second time in this show that I've heard about reality being subjective. How can one fall behind such an absurd argument without any prove.
@Technicallyimright
@Technicallyimright 6 лет назад
I Galactic I I’m surprised people don’t mock these idiots for the whole show. I wouldn’t show them or their stupid ideas any respect.
@matthewmayhem9213
@matthewmayhem9213 5 лет назад
@@Technicallyimright They probably don't mock them on the show because it would be rude to become uncivil during a civil debate/conversation based on a topic. Courtesy and respect when someone else is speaking is often the case (even though there are moments where this show gets a bit heated and a lot of people try to speak at once -- that's not the same as insulting someone for what they believe in).
@s10dlka
@s10dlka 10 лет назад
2:20 - 3:14 never heard so much bullshit in all my life (yes life NOT lives! lol)
@howarddrake2544
@howarddrake2544 3 года назад
My fingers are itching to pull out the collar of the guy with the blue sweater
@Podcastforthewin
@Podcastforthewin 5 лет назад
The blonde is 100% correct, she is in another dimension than the rest of us.
@pope7665
@pope7665 4 года назад
Yeah, its called heroin, haha
@syntax1630
@syntax1630 4 года назад
Ye plz join her there
@paradigmbuster
@paradigmbuster 3 года назад
Faith is confidence in something unseen but truly existing. Presumption is confidence in something that may or may not exist. Biblical faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen.
@highdefinition5724
@highdefinition5724 3 года назад
3:55 "Prove it...... ? I had my own show on ITV ..." Lol case closed😆
@myview9923
@myview9923 3 года назад
It's a pretty good argument..
@charlesdarwin5185
@charlesdarwin5185 6 лет назад
Faith is the outsourcing of fear, uncertainty, greed to imaginary entities. God is a human tool.
@great567
@great567 11 лет назад
Dammit! I just blew my food out of my nose trying not to laugh with a mouthful. What a mouthful...
@KickYouInTheThroat
@KickYouInTheThroat 11 лет назад
from an evolutionary perspective, faith and religion in general was pretty useful in a time when we didnt know much of anything. in the dark, the blind man knows the road best. but when the sun rises, he is no longer needed. its not a matter of compatibility between faith and reason (which arent compatible). its just that reason is better than faith at explaining reality and making predictions in every possible way.
@michaelbroughton6728
@michaelbroughton6728 10 лет назад
faith is the acceptance of a claim without or even in direct opposition to reason, so no.
@XiagraBalls
@XiagraBalls 4 года назад
All the women on the front row there talked absolute s**t. The guy talking about confirmation bias was totally on point and Muslim behind him gave him a good example of it.
@charlestownsend9280
@charlestownsend9280 3 года назад
By definition faith isn't compatible with reason because faith is the belief in something that you can not prove and that is the opposite to reason.
@davidfricke8853
@davidfricke8853 10 лет назад
!! It is amazing how many people seemingly cannot tell the difference between 'X is true' and 'It is desirable that people should believe that X is true'. Or maybe they don't really fall for this logical error, but simply rate truth as unimportant compared with 'human feelings'. I don't want to decry human feelings; But let's be clear, in any particular conversation, what are we talking about: feelings, or truth. Both may be important, but they are not the same thing. -Richard Dawkins-
@wiet111
@wiet111 9 лет назад
THANK YOU! (I wanted to up vote your comment, but that's impossible on mobile, so I'll just do it like this)
@alexvtan
@alexvtan 4 года назад
The blond woman proves that no matter how silly your ideas, one can package it with mumbo jumbo words and make it sound like you are conveying an idea.
@SNORKYMEDIA
@SNORKYMEDIA 3 года назад
and sell it to stupid people
@tianamaycry
@tianamaycry 11 лет назад
I have faith that I can fly when nobody's looking, I've experienced it, does that mean it's reasonable to believe so? NO!! OF FUCKING COURSE NOT!!! Which is what I say to the question of this video.
@chiffmonkey
@chiffmonkey 11 лет назад
Blind faith is to abandon reason and essentially turn off your brain. Day to day faith is 'playing the odds', a logical idea, however one that is not without bias if there is no doubt in that faith. For instance you might walk up a relatively safe street expecting not to get stabbed, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't stay aware of your surroundings. The doubt is a method of discovering the truth.
@hannotn
@hannotn Год назад
Despite the self-assurance expressed in saying it, I'd venture to say that not a single human being on the planet has ever.... EVER... come to religious faith via the intellect.
@ginckgo
@ginckgo 11 лет назад
1st Law of Woo: If you invoke quantum mechanics in your explanation, you've demonstrated that you do not understand reality.
@Asha2820
@Asha2820 11 лет назад
Faith is not the abandonment of reason, but the abandonment for the need for evidence in ones beliefs.
@rebelliousbynature99
@rebelliousbynature99 11 лет назад
“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.” Albert Einstein, published in the New York Times, April 25, 1929. That's not semantics. That's a direct quote.
@guybramwells
@guybramwells 11 лет назад
FAITH is not a virtue....It is self inflicted ignorance. It is to accept without question or reason.
@whole4339
@whole4339 6 лет назад
Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark - R.N.Tagore. Faith is the trust and willingness to step into the unknown - Deepak Chopra
@nektekket852
@nektekket852 3 года назад
Faith is belief based on zero evidence
@Nobodieslistening123
@Nobodieslistening123 11 лет назад
Intellectual discourse stimulates my intellectual discourse, which in turn stimulates my intellectual discourse then that further stimulates me further, It gets me high on me. I love to be the center of attention. I love being self centered.Me me me
@Radam89
@Radam89 4 года назад
Good grief - so many unsubstantiated claims by 03:00!
@jerichosharman470
@jerichosharman470 3 года назад
“Complete babble” .......gold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@truthcantbesilenced4533
@truthcantbesilenced4533 11 лет назад
Just because you can not understand how something came from nothing. Does not mean it can not happen. Use your reason based on evidence.
@hannotn
@hannotn Год назад
Quantum mechanics has been a blessing to the crackpot community. Every nutty piece of charlatanry these days has someone claiming their particular quackery con has some basis in quantum physics.
@rebelliousbynature99
@rebelliousbynature99 11 лет назад
Einstein refuted the claim of atheism."In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist." Einstein was a deist.
@FalconFire13
@FalconFire13 6 лет назад
So, all of those thousands who've got a heart transplant inherited the donor's memory !? People who spew such utter bullshit endanger the future impressionable kids and hence should never be allowed any public platform.
@surfinpunk101
@surfinpunk101 11 лет назад
I must say...you should write forums or articles because despite my obvious agreement to every statement you enter...you are just entertaining as hell to read!
@KenMerrell
@KenMerrell 5 лет назад
The problem is with the way "faith" is used. It gets used interchangeably as confidence, trust, truth, and belief. I have faith the sun will rise tomorrow. That's a statement of confidence based on experience. It's wrong to conflate that with faith that there is a diety.
@Capybarrrraaaa
@Capybarrrraaaa 3 года назад
Most major groups of the religious make 'statements of faith' where they explicitly say something to the effect of 'we know there's no evidence, faith is just belief'. When you have 'faith' that the sun will arise tomorrow, that's a trust in the evidence based on it's consistent accuracy. It's even a bit of a stretch to call it 'trust'. It's the other way around for the religious though. They've seen no substancial consistent evidence that points to a deity. It's always confirmation bias, personal incredulity, etc. They don't have 'trust' in the existance of a god or their doctrine, they have 'faith' because it's purely unsupported. Some groups support this idea and lean into the 'we know there's no natural evidence for it, but god is supernatural, so ha'.
@DataJack
@DataJack 11 лет назад
This is conversation is semantics at this point. Believing in a god that shares no attributes with any god ever defined is not really believing in a god, IMO. Einstein said repeatedly that when he said "god" he meant the workings of the universe. It was not something that created us (or the universe), it did not impart morals, knowledge, or wisdom, it wasn't self-aware, and didn't require (or even understand) worship. It was just his term for existence (note that Spinoza differed on this point)
@D800Lover
@D800Lover 11 лет назад
We have created a circumstance where the original predictions are no longer true. It's like finding a new way of overcoming gravity (mind you, that would be truly dramatic) and trying to figure out why. We know it does it - we found it, and we are going to find out why. There are laws at work, we don't invent them, we discover them. And then find uses for them, often cleverly, often deadly. There is a boundary between the Atomic & sub-Atomic, a crossover, I am convinced. When we do, Hallelujah.
@mausperson5854
@mausperson5854 3 года назад
You have to separate 'faith' in a biblical sense (and what is laid out by the faithful to prepose that everyone has faith) from confidence, which is a much more mundane usage of the word. 'Faith' that your steak will hit the table the way you ordered it is simply the confidence you have that it will. Faith in God may be described as a form of confidence but without recourse to verification or falsification. Ergo, faith in the latter sense is incompatible with reason.
@ShaneyElderberry
@ShaneyElderberry 11 лет назад
I forgot to mention that the Christian Søren Kierkegaard wrote Fear and Trembling (Repetition) to investigate the failure of reason in faith, even equating it in the example of Abraham and Isaac to a renunciation of ethics (feeling special beyond societal expectation). Even someone as conservative as Kierkegaard realizes that you can't have both faith and reason without regular conflict.
@jacopman
@jacopman 11 лет назад
To have humilaty would mean that you should be willing to revise what you understand based on any evidence that requires such a revision... ......this is precisely what the scientific method demands but is in direct contrast with those whose faith based world views are held unrevisable from their scriptural dogma.
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq.
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq. 3 года назад
The 1st women speaking is insane. She is exactly what the 1st gentleman explained. "I had a show on TV" I've proved it... "The heart has intelligence" Anyone who has a "personal truth" doesn't deserve consideration until they're willing to reconcile their personal truth with the personal truths of the people and environment around them.
@HobbsO
@HobbsO 11 лет назад
Why did we need an 18 minute video on this? The answer is very simply yes. That's it.
@hellohandsome9875
@hellohandsome9875 2 года назад
It's actually spelled,,,, no
@sourojeet
@sourojeet 6 лет назад
"Quantum physics".....Deepak Chopra approves lol lol lol! :P
@MrMvidz
@MrMvidz 3 года назад
The confidence people can have when they talk about things of which there's no evidence - at all. And of course, they all have different views on what God is. For some reason, God is always 100 % compatible with their own views on the world.
@D800Lover
@D800Lover 11 лет назад
I first found out about it when I was studying with Leo, who got a copy of the Boone book. I went to my book case, pulled the Freedom book - "1975 is only mentioned in chapter one, you read it and YOU tell me that it says the end would come in 1975." The following week he gave it back to me without comment. So I asked him... and he shrugged and said "no, it did not." Thanks to the lies, he is now my Brother... "I can see right through them" he said. So the lies actually HELPS us. LOL
@rlidrazzah
@rlidrazzah 11 лет назад
I'm 3 mins in and I am already sold on your statement!
@dariusnoname12
@dariusnoname12 5 лет назад
faith is compatible with reason as long they don't interfere with one another. But when when given a choice religious person will choose faith over logic and for example atheist would choose facts/logic over faith.
@RembrandtWasaRebel
@RembrandtWasaRebel 11 лет назад
Muslims see science and reason compatible with religion as did the Egyptians and Greeks and Romans studied Philosophy, religion and the natural sciences .In the 19th century Charles Darwin admitted the eye was so complex that a Creator had to be involved. The intelligent design idea then calmed everyone down, then the Fundamentalist arose with a literal interpretation of the Bible set the stage for what we have today. The last 100 yrs there's almost an undeclared war going on about this issue
@TheMasterofApathy
@TheMasterofApathy 11 лет назад
And yet she is the sanest person on the religious side.
@pomegranatepip2482
@pomegranatepip2482 3 года назад
The answer is yes.
@DataJack
@DataJack 11 лет назад
And while I agree that agnosticism is not atheism, some people can argue the "separate axis" of gnosticism and theism quite well. By those definitions there can be: Gnostic Theists - Know there is are gods & believes in them Agnostic Theists - Doesn't know if there are gods, but still believes in them Agnostic Atheists - does know if there are gods, and doesn't believe in them Gnostic Atheists - Knows there are not gods, and doesn't believe in them Though I don't adhere to these definitions
@TempestTossedWaters
@TempestTossedWaters 11 лет назад
The people of the left side of the room seem to have difficulty distinguishing faith in people and faith in everything else. Having faith your significant other isn't cheating on you makes perfect sense because merely having faith she's not decreases the odds that she will. Constantly doubting her will drive her away. Trusting her will not. This is completely different from having faith past lives exist as having faith they do doesn't make them any more likely to exist.
@dragonfan1981
@dragonfan1981 11 лет назад
Darwin said the eye SEEMED so complex that it could not have evolved. The rest of that chapter in The Origin of Species describes how the eye could have evolved. The process has been at least partly validated, just FYI all.
@AneTix101
@AneTix101 11 лет назад
Not sure I could sit by David Irving without looking at him and shaking my head over and over.
@billmcdonald4335
@billmcdonald4335 3 года назад
"Quantum cardiology." "Multi-dimensional holographic Universe." "The heart has an intellect all its own." Yep. Woo; 151 proof, no less.
@D800Lover
@D800Lover 11 лет назад
Is faith compatible with reason? YES! But few actually practice it. I have faith that the sun will rise in the morning. That is faith. Credulity is often confused with faith. Real faith IS based on reason. We practice faith all the time, without even thinking about it. You drive on the correct side of the road because you have faith in other drivers that they will do the same. People often put faith in politicians when the vote for them. But often disappointed. But real faith is not credulity.
@Jamahran
@Jamahran 7 лет назад
Religious people tend to move the goal post in face of adversity...
@D800Lover
@D800Lover 11 лет назад
Just one more quick thing before I have to work. I work in a highly technical field. I have to work out some tricky problems and I have to find solutions. It often means a kind of detective work, you have to put the brain into analytical mode - or you get lost. People don't do that with religion, they don't use critical faculty. For example, much of the Bible requires you to do that. Most do not, instead they just belittle it without their own examination. Just led by crowd mentality.
@Katalyzt
@Katalyzt 11 лет назад
I am referring to "faith" in the context that this video is using. That is, "faith" as it relates to a religious belief. And that is why "faith" is the suspension of both reason and evidence. ;O) Katalyzt
@Katalyzt
@Katalyzt 11 лет назад
(Continued) In other words: [I do not have faith that a chair will support my weight. I have confidence, based on the experience with similar chairs, along with my impression of the carpenter who made it, the material it was made from, etc. Faith is expectation without (or without sufficient) evidence. Whereas confidence is expectation justified by experience.] Do you understand? ;O) Katalyzt
@dogless10
@dogless10 11 лет назад
Faith as trust and faith as loyalty.
@aalexis3
@aalexis3 10 лет назад
You can either be religious, or intelligent.
@bayreuth79
@bayreuth79 9 лет назад
That was a rather foolish remark. I guess these people aren't intelligent: Francis Collins, Francisco Ayala, Simon Conwy-Morris, John Polkinghorne, etc? I guess you must be more intelligent than these world-class scientists?
@aalexis3
@aalexis3 9 лет назад
I guess I am. If you knew anything about science you would probably know that it relies on facts and not on constructs of the individual's brain. Because let's face it. Faith is just that.
@bayreuth79
@bayreuth79 9 лет назад
There is no fact that is not already an interpreted fact. To that extent everything "fact" is already to some extent a construct. Light, for instance, can be understood as both particle and wave; but which reflects the nature of light? Well, its dependent on observation. Light is thus a fact- but its already being constructed by perception, which can see it as a particle and a wave. Given what you have said about faith I am assuming that you have never read Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, or any other great theologian?
@aalexis3
@aalexis3 9 лет назад
No. I will read everything about your god the day that he or she or it will decide to come and meet with me in person.
@bayreuth79
@bayreuth79 9 лет назад
Do scientists believe in dark matter because they can "see" it? No. They believe in it because of its effects- its gravitiational effect. OK. Well, Christians believe in God because of his effects, his actions in history
@traceysmith9264
@traceysmith9264 11 лет назад
why cant we live and let live ..whatever faith people have ...the main thing that is actually in trouble is HUMANITY thats what needs repair and if we had faith in eachother as humans then we could see the beauty in the creation of it all
@late8641
@late8641 3 года назад
I like to think that if the God of any religion existed, there would be no doubt about it.
@kronos01ful
@kronos01ful 11 лет назад
Reason drive the airplane down the track, but faith make it fly.
@Jester123ish
@Jester123ish 11 лет назад
Pejorative definition. Faith: 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
@stevecoley8365
@stevecoley8365 6 лет назад
Scientist climb the mountain of knowledge to find a holy man sitting at the top. Love is the supernatural, superpower that energizes the magic of metaphysics. The magic of love transforms misery into joy like Merlin turns lead into gold. And one can practice metaphysics by imagining a beautiful (uplifting) dream, then filling it with belief. And like a cloud fills with moisture to precipitate to the physical plane to form lakes and rivers, dreams do the same when filled with belief. Imagine, if everyone would dream that "life is a celebration with joy spilling out of the smiles of everyone". Like love intended it to be in the first place.
@abhishekdalvi1276
@abhishekdalvi1276 3 года назад
For a split second I thought it's men vs women
@Nobodieslistening123
@Nobodieslistening123 11 лет назад
The Book of Mormon describes God's dealings with three heavily populated, literate, and advanced civilizations in the Americas over the course of several hundred years. The book primarily deals with the Nephites and the Lamanites, who it claims existed in the Americas from about 600 BC to about AD 400. It also deals with the rise and fall of the Jaredite nation, which the Book of Mormon claims came from the Old World shortly after the confounding of the languages at the Tower of Babel.
@D800Lover
@D800Lover 11 лет назад
This "1975" thing gradually took off in the 90's. But here is an interesting fact, I have no idea how many people's doors I have knocked up upon, I have problems remembering more that one ot twice where they bring up "1975." And have you noticed how easy it is to take one year, NOT AN ACTUAL DATE, out of context? It is all about "years" - BUT NEVER A DATE. Because the can't and because a "year" is a much easier target and to bastardise out of context... yep, that is a good word for it.
@jaguarrising390
@jaguarrising390 3 года назад
Why doesn't god just take a seat and prove it's self.
@jensandersen7011
@jensandersen7011 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2Mjtw3gEMwA.html
@flor06221
@flor06221 5 лет назад
Faith and reason are compatible. Thats why believers must be rational believers. An irrational beliefs are falling towards fanaticism and superstitious. Reason has its limit even rational atheists know that.
@Undisputed_King
@Undisputed_King 2 года назад
Muslims need to hear this
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 7 лет назад
8:21 "Clearly, God is invisible". I couldn't think of a less appropriate use of the word 'clearly'.
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